Scotland votes no to independence

[Robroona]

What a bunch of Jellyfish. Scotland should have a referendum to change their name from: Scotland to Spineless/KissAssLand.

Quite, I'm embarrassed to be a Scot today - what a bunch of narrow-minded dumpties.

And herein lies the problem. Scots do not like listening to idiots like Salmond's bullshit. He dismissed every word spoken against him, tried to assure voters that he knew better, ignored all the warnings. Unfortunately, some of the lemmings thought they had found a new Messiah. But most Scots like to study the facts, and as he had none, he was beaten before the start.

And you resorting to insults, such as was evident along with the physical bullying during the campaign, does you no credit. Keyboard Warriors did you say?

[inutil]

What a bunch of Jellyfish. Scotland should have a referendum to change their name from: Scotland to Spineless/KissAssLand.

Quite, I'm embarrassed to be a Scot today - what a bunch of narrow-minded dumpties.

The front page pre referendum VOW is already being threatened with being renaged on,

watched a post result interview with William Hague and when asked about the promised

new revenue raising powers for the post referendum Scottish government and continuation

of the Barnett payment system he immediately said " oh well if there are new revenue raising

powers for the Scottish government we may have to adjust the Barnett system payment levels."

The ink is barely dry on the counting officers declaration papers and the Westminister rats are

up to their old lying and cheating ways, nothing new there then. @asterds of the highest order.

To be fair to the brave Scots voters, as apposed to the bigoted nationalist, I think very few if any changed their voting intentions due to what the 3 Westminster clowns were saying, the intelligent Scottish voters realised that any further Scottish subsidies would have to be endorsed by a parliament consisting of M.P's from all over the country and not the 3 unwise men.

The three unwise men all carrying with them an office of whips and of course the three line whip (which means attend and vote with your party, or sit on the back benches until we find a way to deselect/brief against you). If they want to pass legislation, they could... very very easily. Youre not talking a Major or Callaghan government held up by the prospect of a few bastards trying to force a no confidence motion in a soon to be (or already) minority government. Youre looking at around 630 out of a possible 650 votes. Only a declaration of war garners that kind of cross party potential.

Also, it doesnt matter who changed their minds, who didnt, nor who voted for independence and who didnt. To a man and woman, everybody in Scotland will be expecting that vow to be kept regardless of their own personal standpoint on the matter whilst inside the voting booth marking their cross for yes.

[mango66]

Madness is over. This is win of common sense.

Deception based on irrational and blind nationalism has lost.

I hope forever.

sorry,

colonialiced for the next century :-((

[mango66]

45% or more dont want to live in UK !!

This is a great victory for england ??

[meand]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G1tJJO_pVvQ

[MAJIC]

Scotland votes 'No' by 55.3 per cent: final result

EDINBURGH (AFP) - Scotland rejected independence from the United Kingdom by 55.3 per cent to 44.7 per cent, on a record 84.6 per cent turnout, final results showed Friday.

Official figures show 2,001,926 people voted to stay in the union and 1,617,989 voted to leave, with turnout beating the previous record for a UK vote of 84 per cent, set in the 1950 British general election.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Scotland-votes-No-by-55-3-per-cent-final-result-30243659.html

-- The Nation 2014-09-19

The reason the NO vote is far greater than opinion polls predicted is the intimidation that was being used by the Yes campaigners caused many to keep their intentions to themselves. This is the backfire on the bully campaigners with their graffiti, eggs, window smashing and verbal abuse. Serves you right.

oooooooorrrrr... polls had the yes vote at 47 and no at 53. Factor in a) margin of error plus the quiet vote for the status quo as many people (including myself remarked on - there was a point in the polling when Quebec was brought up endlessly), and you have an unsurprising result that has <deleted> all to do with terrified scottish people incapable of making themselves heard. The vote went as expected. Yes needed to be a good few percentage points above 50% consistently to even HOPE for a win. They could have pulled it off with a very late surge, but as i said 2 days ago, theyd failed to break through and had taken a beating in the final week of campaigning. So less of the nonsense and more of the actual observation of reality please.

If Salmond had campaigned using a clear and concise framework for transition and what would follow, with all the numbers adding up, Yes would have won. But he didn't. He used nationalist rhetoric instead.

The people wanted clear answers to their fears on Monetary Union,the EU Position,the Division of Assets,anything that didn't suit Salmond was poo pooed as Bullying,Panic,Scaremongering. And big business nonsense,in short he didnt have the answers,but made them up as he went along,and the majority of Scottish people didn't believe him!

[MAJIC]

I wonder what the turn out would be if all our previous colonies had a chance to return to Britain (and become the UK)?

Would Hong Kong prefer to be with us, or the Chinese? Hong kongers I know hate the mainland Chinese and are very British-ish. Myanmar you don't even need to think about, they'd be 1000 times better off with British rule. Talk to any cab driver in Sri Lanka and they wish the British had stayed. The list keeps going. Good for Scotland, I'm happy they stayed and my Scottish friends all voted No.

Recent Colonies that want to stay British along with Scotland are: Gibraltar and The Falklands!

[MAJIC]

I wonder what the turn out would be if all our previous colonies had a chance to return to Britain (and become the UK)?

Would Hong Kong prefer to be with us, or the Chinese? Hong kongers I know hate the mainland Chinese and are very British-ish. Myanmar you don't even need to think about, they'd be 1000 times better off with British rule. Talk to any cab driver in Sri Lanka and they wish the British had stayed. The list keeps going. Good for Scotland, I'm happy they stayed and my Scottish friends all voted No.

yep.. I was in Gibraltar when they had their referendum. I think 3 (or was it 4)people voted to join Spain. Someone on here will know the figure I'm sure.

That, together with Catalan, is probably why the Spanish Prime Minister waded into the debate about Scotland and the EU.

I seem to remember Jack Straw backed off after this referendom results organised by the Gibraltarians

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar_sovereignty_referendum,_2002

Edited September 19, 2014 by MAJIC

[baboon]

45% or more dont want to live in UK !!

This is a great victory for england ??

It is a great victory for democracy, for what most would argue to be a free and fair referendum. Don't start lashing out at all and sundry because the vote didn't go your way. Edited September 19, 2014 by baboon

[MAJIC]

Madness is over. This is win of common sense.

Deception based on irrational and blind nationalism has lost.

I hope forever.

This cannot be regarded as madness because almost half the Scottish voters (45 %) wanted independence, 55 % of voters went against this and Scotland will remain part of the UK as it has been for 307 years.

The "YES" voters wanted their country to be independent in order to ensure that they have no more control from others.

Due to the large numbers of Scots that wanted independence the British government will provide additional political freedom for Scotland in order to ensure that they will continue to stay within the UK.

When those matters take place in Scotland this will then also be requested by Wales & Nth.Ireland and they will no doubt receive the same addition in order to keep them all in the United Kingdom (UK).

Don't forget English people will want the same equal shares of the goodies! and starting off with Nigel Farage @ UKIP already demanding in writing that no Scottish MPs are entitled to vote in our British Parliament!

Edited September 19, 2014 by MAJIC

[MJP]

Madness is over. This is win of common sense.

Deception based on irrational and blind nationalism has lost.

I hope forever.

This cannot be regarded as madness because almost half the Scottish voters (45 %) wanted independence, 55 % of voters went against this and Scotland will remain part of the UK as it has been for 307 years.

The "YES" voters wanted their country to be independent in order to ensure that they have no more control from others.

Due to the large numbers of Scots that wanted independence the British government will provide additional political freedom for Scotland in order to ensure that they will continue to stay within the UK.

When those matters take place in Scotland this will then also be requested by Wales & Nth.Ireland and they will no doubt receive the same addition in order to keep them all in the United Kingdom (UK).

Don't forget English people will want the same equal shares of the goodies! and starting off with Nigel Farage @ UKIP already demanding in writing that no Scottish MPs are entitled to vote in our British Parliament!

Now here's the problem. I've been watching all this nonsense today about more devolved powers to all and sundry and I'm thinking "Where's the money coming from for all this?"

Because the deficit is getting worse.

There is no money.

Edited September 19, 2014 by MJP

[MJP]

Here we go . . . .

Reward Wales after Scottish vote, says Rhodri Morgan

Wales should be rewarded for not "putting the UK through the mincer" of a referendum on independence, former first minister Rhodri Morgan has said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-29287650

Where do these people get their balls?

[joecoolfrog]

45% or more dont want to live in UK !!

This is a great victory for england ??

It is a great victory for democracy, for what most would argue to be a free and fair referendum. Don't start lashing out at all and sundry because the vote didn't go your way.

[joecoolfrog]

Baboon

I shouldn't take Mad Mango seriously , either a Troll or got a serious anti Brit chip on his shoulder.

[MAJIC]

Madness is over. This is win of common sense.

Deception based on irrational and blind nationalism has lost.

I hope forever.

This cannot be regarded as madness because almost half the Scottish voters (45 %) wanted independence, 55 % of voters went against this and Scotland will remain part of the UK as it has been for 307 years.

The "YES" voters wanted their country to be independent in order to ensure that they have no more control from others.

Due to the large numbers of Scots that wanted independence the British government will provide additional political freedom for Scotland in order to ensure that they will continue to stay within the UK.

When those matters take place in Scotland this will then also be requested by Wales & Nth.Ireland and they will no doubt receive the same addition in order to keep them all in the United Kingdom (UK).

Don't forget English people will want the same equal shares of the goodies! and starting off with Nigel Farage @ UKIP already demanding in writing that no Scottish MPs are entitled to vote in our British Parliament!

Now here's the problem. I've been watching all this nonsense today about more devolved powers to all and sundry and I'm thinking "Where's the money coming from for all this?"

Because the deficit is getting worse.

There is no money.

Well MJP! Pandoras box is about to be opened,money or not it's not going to stop the four countries from fighting for their perceived rights,what's good for the Goose is good for the Gander!

Wales was discussing in their Parliament yesterday their alleged £300 million owed to them, before the Scottish Referendem had even been voted on! I wouldn't be surprised to see a free for all of demands from all sides!

[MJP]

Pandora's box doesn't have any money in it. Hopefully all this utopia euphoria will pass.

Edited September 19, 2014 by MJP

[BKK Blues Brother]

Madness is over. This is win of common sense.

Deception based on irrational and blind nationalism has lost.

I hope forever.

Amen to that.

"Ms Sturgeon said she would work with "anyone in any way" to secure more powers for Scotland."

Ms Sturgeon and Alex Salmond should resign and hang their heads in shame with the divisions they have created between the Scottish people themselves and with the rest of the UK, this is going to take a long time to heal rifts in families, streets, towns, cities and the workplace...

What a silly, petulant, little man.

Strangely, as the polls narrowed, the cracks began to show and he changed from being a man with a mission to becoming a paranoid who thought he was the only one who was right and that anyone who disagree with him “was ganging on him” or “bullying him”.

Now he has thrown his toys out of the pram.

I can’t say that I will miss him.

All we need now is for Nicola Sturgeon to fall on her Braveheart sword as well.

[MAJIC]

Pandora's box doesn't have any money in it. Hopefully all this utopia euphoria will pass.

It's got all the evils of the world though!

[MJP]

Pandora's box doesn't have any money in it. Hopefully all this utopia euphoria will pass.

It's got all the evils of the world though!

All I can see is one hell of a lot of vote buying going into the general election.

[katana]

Michael McIntyre on the Scots:

[BKK Blues Brother]

[sustento]

Talk to any cab driver in Sri Lanka and they wish the British had stayed.

One of the shipping agents we used to deal with in Colombo used to tell us regularly and vigorously how happy he was that we'd been slung out. I never asked any taxi drivers although they were always happy to take us to the beach at Mount Lavinia.

[MAJIC]

Ironically Falkirk (Home of the Braveheart myth) and William Wallace was the first casualty of the Reforendom! last night.

[dunque]

Watching William Haigh, and I think the Barnet Formula could be a problem unless some concrete agreements are made. Labour had a lot to lose in the referendum, and no way will they be pleased about an English Parliament. I don't trust them.

Labour also are the ones who are reluctant to give full taxation powers to Scotland -Tories are prepared to give full control of Income Tax and possibly VAT.

Labour need their Scottish MPs to pass unpopular English legislation - we would not have had tuition fees in English universities but for Scottish Labour MPs - and of course they do not have fees in their unis except for English students. If the situation had been reversed just think of the vitirol that would have been poured on English Tory toffs

[Mosha]

FWIW Salmond has fallen on his sword.

http://live-updates.news.uk.msn.com/Event/Scottish_independence_referendum_result

[sustento]

Who is this William Haigh? Could it be William Hague - current Leader of the House Of Commons?

[7by7]

Watching William Haigh, and I think the Barnet Formula could be a problem unless some concrete agreements are made. Labour had a lot to lose in the referendum, and no way will they be pleased about an English Parliament. I don't trust them.

Labour also are the ones who are reluctant to give full taxation powers to Scotland -Tories are prepared to give full control of Income Tax and possibly VAT.

Labour need their Scottish MPs to pass unpopular English legislation - we would not have had tuition fees in English universities but for Scottish Labour MPs - and of course they do not have fees in their unis except for English students. If the situation had been reversed just think of the vitirol that would have been poured on English Tory toffs

Indeed.

For 300 years Scottish MPs at Westminster have been able to vote on purely English matters; but English MPs have not been able to vote on purely Scottish matters.

Hopefully that will now change.

But not if Labour have their way; it is they who are now stalling on 'the vow', not the Tories, due to Camerons pledge to end the above undemocratic practice.

Row brewing over pledge for more English MP powers

But I don't want to see regional assemblies or similar in England or an English parliament. There are already too many troughs in the UK for politicians to dip their snouts into.

We need less government, not more!

Edited September 19, 2014 by 7by7

[MJP]

Watching William Haigh, and I think the Barnet Formula could be a problem unless some concrete agreements are made. Labour had a lot to lose in the referendum, and no way will they be pleased about an English Parliament. I don't trust them.

Labour also are the ones who are reluctant to give full taxation powers to Scotland -Tories are prepared to give full control of Income Tax and possibly VAT.

Labour need their Scottish MPs to pass unpopular English legislation - we would not have had tuition fees in English universities but for Scottish Labour MPs - and of course they do not have fees in their unis except for English students. If the situation had been reversed just think of the vitirol that would have been poured on English Tory toffs

Indeed.

For 300 years Scottish MPs at Westminster have been able to vote on purely English matters; but English MPs have not been able to vote on purely Scottish matters.

Hopefully that will now change.

But I don't want to see regional assemblies or similar in England or an English parliament. There are already too many troughs in the UK for politicians to dip their snouts into.

We need less government, not more!

Just had that argument with a retired county treasurer. He reckons local authorities will be abolished and multiple counties joined together under single mega councils.

Like you say, we can't afford yet more government.

Edited September 19, 2014 by MJP

[7by7]

Apols for editing my post while you were typing, MJP.

[Mosha]

Doesn't The Speaker's powers include him telling certain members to leave the chamber? Surely that is all that is required for English only matters.