Koh Tao Murders: Thai Authorities Deny 'Scapegoat' Allegation

[ParadiseLost]

However, he admitted that the two men were not given access to lawyers during their interrogation. He said the suspects did not ask for lawyers because they decided to confess on their own.

or the fact that they couldn't, because they speak very little Thai ?

This is the bit i really struggle with, all this confession stuff, if they speak very little Thai, therefore presumably they don't read or write Thai, but the confession and written statement must in Thai, there has been no mention of a translator provided etc, so could we say they don't know what they "admitted" to

so where are we ?

Two suspects who don't speak Thai very well

No lawyer who would obviously speak / read /write Thai and would understand what they have signed

No mention of a translator

And one would suspect none of the BiB speak Burmese

Could you imagine trying to be a lawyer in Thailand?

The police would probably have the lawyer cuffed to a chair & be pouring boiling oil on his gonads as well.

There are two societies here, no mistaking which one high powered lawyers belong to. They will also believe the police without question.

There is an article in (Economist) magazine, claiming 0.1% of the populace owns more than 50% of the nations wealth, a staggering disparity, which dwarfs western countries. This case goes to show some are definitely above the law. while foreigners - whether they be victims or scapegoats - are of no importance at all. There can be no doubt of this as they have already gleefully announced that tourists are already returning to the island...

Lawyers most likely don't want to dirty their hands.

Edit:

For example, the law student who bought a numberplate for 25 million. Can you see this person concerned for the rights of two illegal Myanmar workers?

Edited October 5, 2014 by ParadiseLost

[Everton 1986]

Iv seen the photos please explain were you think David was stabbed ?

[sawadee1947]

Nobody believes any of this.

and you can see....they do not even believe what they are saying

[Sydebolle]

We shall never know ......

Glad to hear that the Embassy of the Union of Myanmar is providing legal assistance to their two subjects; particularly comfortable to know coming from a country with such an excellent human rights record.

Where are all those NGOs now? If these two are the culprits, then deal with them in full force and accordance with the law, otherwise "in dubio pro reo". You may also close the file then as "unfinished business" as the case is so over tampered it will remain insolvable.

[chooka]

Stop denying and convince the world that you are not corrupt and a totally professional honest police force. At the moment the world is laughing thier rear ends off and flashing what is left in your direction.

[CapFarmer]

Does anyone know who is the man in the blue shirt? He seems to be in all of the press events directing the suspects actions.

[DennisF]

Does anyone know who is the man in the blue shirt? He seems to be in all of the press events directing the suspects actions.

I think he is the scriptwriters cousin, an uncle of the producer.

No doubt his name will be in the credits of the next Thai soap opera.

Alternatively he could be a BiB who forgot his uniform.

[ParadiseLost]

Does anyone know who is the man in the blue shirt? He seems to be in all of the press events directing the suspects actions.

Spielberg?

[greenchair]

I've heard some rumours/ gossip from a Thai friend who works on Samui so take it as you should with a pinch of salt...

This is my own interpretation of what she has said

That night a large group, a mix of Thai and farrang including David Hannah and Sean went to the beach after the bars closed to drink, smoke weed, play guitars and just the typical backpacker utopia, we've all seen the cliche a million times...

One of the Thai guys was trying to hit on Hannah but she wasn't having any of it and he started getting nasty. Thats when David stepped in to defend her and the guy having lost face attacked David, other Thais joined in and he got stabbed and killed.

Sean probably tried to break it up and thats how he got the cuts, self preservation kicked in and he ran away.

Hannah watched all this was then raped and killed.

David was stripped of clothes because they wanted it to look like he had raped Hannah and maybe someone killed him for doing it.

A lot of people thai/farang were there and witnessed this happen and the clean up and getting stories straight before the police were 'officially' called out in the morning so know who did it.

But as we can see the wall of silence tells us its people of importance on that island involved, there's a lot of intimidation going on there now and people are genuinely scared.

But same as anywhere in the world people will eventually bit by bit start to gossip and just tell there best friend and so on...

Eventually someone will leave and then talk.

Don't quite know how much you say is right. But sure that there were a group there that night. A fight broke out over something. The two Burmese may actually have raped hannah. But i don't think it was possible for them to have done it on their own. There is still at least one and maybe two murderers from that bar. All of this trouble with the burmese takes the light right away from them.

Thai police. Bring in the other criminals.

Those two Burmese weren't ever there, they probably wouldn't have been invited to this gathering i doubt they speak much Thai and English and the thais wouldn't want them there...

Sean took Hannah and David to this after the bars close/ beach party gathering, these Thais were Seans mates on the island..

I've been to few after parties like this over the years in Samui, Phangan, Krabi... always the same types, farang backpackers and the more in crowd/ cooler thai bar owners/ workers..

David was killed- stabbed and drowned for getting involved when the Thai guy was coming on strong to Hannah, he lost face.

Sean half tried to stop the fight with David took a few nicks and fled the scene, leaving Hannah there as the only outsider to the island, witness.. we know the rest

Might not be exactly how it happened but it all pretty much makes sense to me.

Yep, that sounds about right. They were partying down at the beach ,there was a fight. Got out of hand Sean and probably the other burmese ran, the rest is history

[Brian Corrigan]

Did the police ever get DNA samples from the two suspects who refused first tim around?

Confirmation that the Thai police are collecting 500 Baht /month from illegals doesn't inspire me with confidence that these two suspects committed the crime.

[metisdead]

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[greenchair]

could be the corner of the hoe

8 times, the hoe was carefully turned by 45 degrees and sent in slowly for about an inch? Give me a break! Look at Hannah how she looked after just one or two blows! David's head is in tact, stab wounds are on the neck, jaw, side of the head and in the skull. The elongated shape of the wounds suggest a knife, respectively a stab dagger. I have seen similar wounds when I served the army and have no doubt. A blow with the hoe would have instantly killed him and he could not have drowned.

According to the website showing the lacerations, the angle of the stabs suggest a killer of similar height as David... ooops!

Well the police already said way back at the beginning, there was no DNA of David on the hoe. Only dna of hannah. Back at the start police said they thought another weapon was used on david. There's a discrepancy in itself, as now they say the hoe was the weapon to kill david. How could it be. They got the burmese touse the wrong weapon in the enactment

[Tchooptip]

Please have a look at this:

http://www.oknation.net/blog/anonym/2014/10/04/entry-2

Found it difficult to get the jist of most of that blog, the majority of it being in Thai, but I found the part of the English girls handing in the phone to the police after the murder interesting. The comments then went on to say that after the English girls handed in the phone to the police, including the password, the girls then later returned to the UK.

Sorry but I do not believe any of this. If this is true then all those girls have to do it give a statement and that will blow the phone discovered in the bushes evidence right out of the water and would discredit the whole police investigation.

In my opinion unless these so-called witnesses actually come forward and make official statements, even to the main media, and not just on social networking sites, than I am calling trolls on this one

Until something comes along that contradicts the police statements other than hearsay, wild accusations and comments made on social networking sites, than as far as I am concerned the police have conducted their investigations by the book and those 3 guys already in police custody are the actual perpetrators.

I guess (and hope) you'r right...

...but indigestible for some members, don't forget (sadly) some of the poor devils are profoundly affected by an incurable, obsessive, Thai Bashing pathology

You live in Scunthorpe then..?

You live in Scunthorpe then..? No.

But yes, I live like you, on the very same planet earth, certainly far from perfect...but very happy (should I say sorry, I hope not ) in Koh Samui, in peace with myself, consequently in peace with my Thai familly and all Thais around.

Yes... OK I RECKON I was asked 5,000Baht for my last extension instead of 1,900...a trifle I forgot 24 hours later. My ego in this story? Not ticklish for one Baht, for since I take good care of my health I know being embittered, dissatisfied and resentfull is worst for our body than booze tobacco and poor diet altogether, I do not think YOU are (embittered, dissatisfied and resentfull) but some members unfortunataly yes fore sure. This being said have a good day.

PS: thanks to Google I discovered Scunthorpe existed really "somewhere" on a map.

Edited October 5, 2014 by Tchooptip

[greenchair]

Does nobody remember the police insisted the hoe was not used on David. Oh god, I never thought it was a set until this moment. Does anybody can find the quote in news stories, that the hoe was not the weapon used on david

[SteveFong]

the first report I heard, Sean was hot w an iron bar, probably rebar

[Undisclosed1]

For anyone who hasn't already please share and sign this petition for the uk to independently investigate these atrocities.

Already at 14,000 signatures and the comment section is interesting to read.

http://www.change.org/p/the-government-of-the-united-kingdom-independently-investigate-the-horrific-murders-of-hannah-witheridge-and-david-miller?recruiter=161652099&utm_campaign=signature_receipt&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition

[catweazle]

CSI LA states: "I have a reason to believe that Sean McAnna saw what happened and was there when David was murdered by a push knife. You can clearly see that Sean suffered the same type of stab wound as David. Please pressure Scotland Yard and Interpol to search for Sean McAnna. He is the key witness in this case."

Left photo shows Davids lower jaw. The stab wounds are clearly visible... any questions pigboxer and other doubters?

[monk213]

Seriously INTERPOL or some agency with the right amount of power needs to grab this jock and seriously grill him, no torture, no mind games, seriously filmed interrogation. If they know what they are doing they will ask the right questions with the right body language and it will only be a matter of time before things spill out. He has been wayyyyy too quiet since he left. SOMEONE GET SEAN

[jomcondo]

Sean did the right thing by running & posting on facebook.

He was due to be hung that night.

[DennisF]

It is pure speculation on my part but, I believe that Sean is under house 'protection' in Thailand ( no one has confirmed he has actually left),

or a British tabloid newspaper has him under wraps and biding their time for a sensation headline.

Of course he could be in Italy with his girlfriend but, he needs to be found..

[catweazle]

Don't stop now, people kick off a $# itstorm over this case. There are too many blanks in this story!!!!

[monk213]

It is pure speculation on my part but, I believe that Sean is under house 'protection' in Thailand ( no one has confirmed he has actually left),

or a British tabloid newspaper has him under wraps and biding their time for a sensation headline.

Of course he could be in Italy with his girlfriend but, he needs to be found..

How many times has this entire case turned into some insane TV drama? I have lost count. I am so glad I am heading North to Laos in 2 weeks, this country has gotten a lot worse in the past 6 months, people praised the general for his attempts and to be honest, yes at first I applaud the coup and thought it was the best outcome. however, his recent actions prove he is no different from any of his prior power mad fools

[Heng]

My guess would be that the deal is that the Burmese families get an envelope to guarantee the deal. And as part of the deal there will be no death penalty. Do about 10 years for say 500k Baht. Slave labor dream come true.

[monk213]

My guess would be that the deal is that the Burmese families get an envelope to guarantee the deal. And as part of the deal there will be no death penalty. Do about 10 years for say 500k Baht. Slave labor dream come true.

This is not really too farfetched to be honest, BUT this case is now so high profile worldwide, how could they release them? If one journalist or one person finds out that is it.. I really honestly think the police and corrupt families of koh Tao did not expect this worldwide whirlwind on social media etc, and this proves are far behind Thailand is in this department higher up.

[trainman34014]

As the Thai Police Force are the saddest and most corrupt bunch of useless morons i've ever seen, i don't think the word sad is appropriate !

[ozsamurai]

WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT

https://www.facebook.com/CSILA90210?fref=ts

This guy has the inside info.

Oz

[fozzy58uk]

For many years I lived and worked in Thailand. It is an unusual place full of strange and wonderful experiences.

What I find most sad about this forum are the Thai apologists who will take massive umbrage about anything negative said about Thailand,

Please take off the rose tinted spectacles, we all know the majority of Thai folk are wonderful, fun loving people with hearts of pure gold but there is an underlying backbone of pure evil.

Most of this is to be found in the rich ruling classes. Anyone who has lived in Thailand personally knows some tale of a rich hiso person who has paid off a poor person to do the time for their crimes.

Face is all that counts here. Thailand is terrified of losing face, therefore the killers must be foreigners. Those two poor little lads in those pictures are so obviously scapegoats.

The BIB might prosecute em. They will then be found guilty but the world knows the truth.

[ParadiseLost]

CSI LA states: "I have a reason to believe that Sean McAnna saw what happened and was there when David was murdered by a push knife. You can clearly see that Sean suffered the same type of stab wound as David. Please pressure Scotland Yard and Interpol to search for Sean McAnna. He is the key witness in this case."

Left photo shows Davids lower jaw. The stab wounds are clearly visible... any questions pigboxer and other doubters?

Until now I have avoided looking (at the photo's) but now it appears there can be little doubt that the weapon used on the victim was also used on Sean. This kind of weapon was not mentioned in the 'reconstruction' as it was obviously taken by it's wielder.

There have been posters discussing an after-party on the beach that night and the scenario they describe is the most plausible I have heard. I do not wish to spread rumours but there is enough local knowledge evident to convince me. Sean was a key witness and maybe assaulted himself.

This case reads like a murder novel with half the pages ripped out. Vital pages, which set the scene and introduce a motive. Some of the players are missing.

[spidermike007]

Yes, General Prawit, when you ignore all the evidence, obey the commands from the top, and do not arrest the perps of this crime, then we will say they are scapegoats. So, do not be disappointed. Just do your job. Arrest the real perps. Leave the Burmese guys alone. They are innocent as the day is long. We know that. The world knows that. The foreign media knows that. It appears that you are one of the few who do not know that. Or you are putting on a very nice show. Keep it up. And we will continue disbelieving you for as long as we live.

[Cambodger]

I've heard some rumours/ gossip from a Thai friend who works on Samui so take it as you should with a pinch of salt...

This is my own interpretation of what she has said

That night a large group, a mix of Thai and farrang including David Hannah and Sean went to the beach after the bars closed to drink, smoke weed, play guitars and just the typical backpacker utopia, we've all seen the cliche a million times...

One of the Thai guys was trying to hit on Hannah but she wasn't having any of it and he started getting nasty. Thats when David stepped in to defend her and the guy having lost face attacked David, other Thais joined in and he got stabbed and killed.

Sean probably tried to break it up and thats how he got the cuts, self preservation kicked in and he ran away.

Hannah watched all this was then raped and killed.

David was stripped of clothes because they wanted it to look like he had raped Hannah and maybe someone killed him for doing it.

A lot of people thai/farang were there and witnessed this happen and the clean up and getting stories straight before the police were 'officially' called out in the morning so know who did it.

But as we can see the wall of silence tells us its people of importance on that island involved, there's a lot of intimidation going on there now and people are genuinely scared.

But same as anywhere in the world people will eventually bit by bit start to gossip and just tell there best friend and so on...

Eventually someone will leave and then talk.

Don't quite know how much you say is right. But sure that there were a group there that night. A fight broke out over something. The two Burmese may actually have raped hannah. But i don't think it was possible for them to have done it on their own. There is still at least one and maybe two murderers from that bar. All of this trouble with the burmese takes the light right away from them.

Thai police. Bring in the other criminals.

Those two Burmese weren't ever there, they probably wouldn't have been invited to this gathering i doubt they speak much Thai and English and the thais wouldn't want them there...

Sean took Hannah and David to this after the bars close/ beach party gathering, these Thais were Seans mates on the island..

I've been to few after parties like this over the years in Samui, Phangan, Krabi... always the same types, farang backpackers and the more in crowd/ cooler thai bar owners/ workers..

David was killed- stabbed and drowned for getting involved when the Thai guy was coming on strong to Hannah, he lost face.

Sean half tried to stop the fight with David took a few nicks and fled the scene, leaving Hannah there as the only outsider to the island, witness.. we know the rest

Might not be exactly how it happened but it all pretty much makes sense to me.

Yep, that sounds about right. They were partying down at the beach ,there was a fight. Got out of hand Sean and probably the other burmese ran, the rest is history

You just need to forget about the Burmese being there, they generally dont really mix with Thais on a social level.. Thais look down on them and especially the more connected, wealthy ones don't want to socialise with the Burmese help.