DNA results from Ko Tao village head’s son don't match traces on slain British tourists

[Bleacher Bum East]

What people seem to forget is that no country has standing to interfere in domestic matters of another country.JD you are stooping to new lows "people die all over the world"...,,,,,

I suggest you go back to the photos which I am sure you will have seen of this poor, innocent girl. How you can be so dismissive of this case is beyond me.

You are one sad man.

Ad hominem argument thus totally worthless.

Ad hominem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

"JD you are stooping to new lows 'people die all over the world'...,,,,,

I suggest you go back to the photos which I am sure you will have seen of this poor, innocent girl. How you can be so dismissive of this case is beyond me."

While the tone of JDs comment may be dismissive, the content is actually important to this case and should be kept in mind by anyone trying to follow it with a clear-eyed understanding of what's going on.

Britain and every country has a policy of telling it's citizens that if they are victims of a crime overseas, then the embassy and government will help how it can but cannot be expected to investigate the crime.

There are two reasons for this.

The first is related to exactly what JD bluntly said: people die all over the world. In Great Britain's case, it has many citizens get killed around the world every year (month?). And no government can be expected to investigate crimes all over the world. Hannah and David's murder was particularly brutal. But to the families and friends of victims, every murder has the same devastating impact.

The second related reason is that a country cannot interfere with the internal matters of another country. While I disagree with JD in my belief that some form of investigation can be conducted without such interference, diplomacy is always an issue in deciding whether to investigate. So again, that decision is not taken lightly, or often.

What all this tells us is that the British government has taken a highly unusual step in this case. It may have been instigated by a request from Hannah and David's families, but they have made the fact that they are involved very public. They are making an exception to a policy that for good reason they rarely make exception to.

From that fact, I infer that the British government and investigators know something, not just suspect, that is at odds with the local investigation. I think they would prefer to work with the Thai authorities behind the scenes so that the right conclusion is ultimately reached without the Brits ever having to publicly say anything is in conflict. That is diplomacy. But if their conclusion is different from the local conclusion, they will probably state so, however diplomatically, in their report back home.

But all of this analysis stems from the fact that "people die overseas all the time". I know that does not sound at all compassionate, but it is the reality of how government foreign offices have to look at very sad and tragic situations.

Edited November 2, 2014 by Bleacher Bum East

[joebrown]

been looking again at David's wounds

looks like a shark bite

but by 1 tooth

According to the roti/pancake seller/RTP interpreter, David was hit with a large wine wine bottle. Mr Roti openly stated this was what the 2 accused told him. There is a video of his interview showing on Facebook. Strange that the bottle was never found or referred to as a weapon by RTP.

Perhaps JD and JTJ can explain this minor discrepancy??

I am not conversant on the conspiracy theorist website.

Can I take it that you now believe the confessions?

Is the roti seller now credible to you?

Are you sure that the police have not mentioned a wine bottle?

The basic answer would be that the confessions came 2 weeks after the murders. If there was not a wine bottle found what happened to it? Did the roti seller answer that?

All should be answered in court

Did I just hear a fart sound?

You might have, but I've never heard a puppet fart? Edited November 2, 2014 by joebrown

[boomerangutang]

The circus continues. I bet it would not be hard for enterprising UK officers to get a real sample of this worm's DNA.

What would they do with it? They can't interfere in Thailand's domestic issues.

Yeah God forbid that the families in the UK would actually want to find out the truth behind who killed their loved ones instead of this pathetic spectacle they are being subjected to.

Got it!! Violate Thai sovereignty to not be able to prove anything?

It sounds like Thai officials have JD wrapped around their little finger.

This case may have to go up to the top of heap, with PM Cameron deciding whether to reveal the truth (with evidence garnered by UK specialists) or succumb to diplomatic niceties and support the cover-up.

Supporting the cover-up (by not revealing vital data) will preserve Thai brass careers, but it will also ensure the real murderers/rapists continue to hang out at drunk all-night backpacker parties by the beach. I hope it's not your sister or daughter who's violated next.

[Soutpeel]

This only proves 1 thing. The samples taken do not match with the master sample handed over by the BIB - WHICH nobody knows for sure where AND FROM WHOM it came from.

Thus, in effect, it proves NOTHING, ZERO, ZILCH, RIEN, NADA!

EXACTLY.

This whole charade was fixed from the get go. Why else wait 6 weeks before doing the DNA test? Plus, even 'IF' legit, it would NOT be proof he was not involved.

I personally don't think this kid was directly involved with this case, and I don't think the Burmese are guilty either and have been stitched up, but I do believe the people who did this are involved with village heads family somehow, either employees, hangers on or direct relations, and all this showboating is a distraction/red herring thrown in to change the focus while the real guilty parties are not being looked for, the kid may have been their that night, may have witnessed the events and knows who did this but actually didn't physically take part.

[asiamaster]

Just reading on csiLA they are saying the pancake translator said that a wine bottle was used as a weapon.

CSI LA is about as trustworthy as the Thai police!!

I second that! I doubt whether any more agree as everyone seems to blindly follow what this "keyboard investigator" CsiLA comes up with. I must admit that his "evidence" does come across as quite convincing but a lot of it defies logic and looking back at earlier cases he "investigated" such as MH370 it is very much based on hearsay. He does a brilliant job on copy/pasting from all kinds of sources without investigating and judging the credibility of those sources.

My intuition tells me that this time -for a change -the police do have it right.

[Bleacher Bum East]

Maybe they were asked, but there professionalism meant they did not want to attend the circus side show....I am sure they observed from distance and there report is on the desk of the PM.

When the British report is made public, I wonder what the consequences for Thailand will be.........Harsh and severe words for one, and I think far, far more...time will tell.

I find it odd that considering the British homicide detectives just happen to be in town, that they weren't invited to observe or participate in this DNA testing. Considering they have the DNA from the victims I would think it would have been important to have them involved and testing too. What a farce this whole investigation is.

It was a blatant omission agreed but if the investigators thought there was even a jot of merit to the collection transporting and actual results I am quite positive they would have participated.

The British lads wouldn't be bothered at appearing at a public, childish farce I shouldn't think

Even it the British investigative team was invited, they never would have attended.

The reason is that if they publicly (or even privately) participated in these tests, it would be implicitly stating that they have given them their stamp of approval.

They will not put their credibility on the line, or lend legitimacy to the tests, in this way unless they can be 100% certain that all of the samples involved and testing methods, facilities and personnel are 100% reliable.

They could in fact be reliable, but the Brits don't know that for sure. And if they aren't 100% sure, they won't be involved.

BTW for this same reason, I think the British team is more than happy to be labeled "observers" while in Thailand. If they are considered to be part of the investigative team, that means they will be considered partially accountable for the outcome. Which they do not want.

Edited November 2, 2014 by Bleacher Bum East

[dieseldave1951]

still hiding other wise if it really did prove innocence you would GLADLY give a sample to the UK police

"So it is unnecessary to forward the DNA results to the British government because it had no doubt about the investigation being conducted by the Thai police, said Pol Lt Gen Prawut."

Anyone still believing in any of this BS??

It would be nice of them to forward the results to the UK authorities so the British can compare the DNA to any samples they managed to collect from Hannah's body.

[boomerangutang]

been looking again at David's wounds

looks like a shark bite, but by 1 tooth

There's been a lot of discussion online about David's wounds. There are 2 reasons Thai cops don't make any mention of that: A. they're either so ignorant, they can't see clearly, or (most likely) B. They know the wounds don't fit with their flaccid theory of a blunt hoe, so they discount any discussion of the wounds or the weapon. The wounds fit with a sharp 'punch blade' which fits in the hand. It's the type of hard-to-find weapon which tough mafia wannabes like the headman's son and brother (and their cop friends) would use. The Burmese don't have the slightest idea about murder weapon, because they're innocent.

According to the roti/pancake seller/RTP interpreter, David was hit with a large wine wine bottle. Mr Roti openly stated this was what the 2 accused told him. There is a video of his interview showing on Facebook. Strange that the bottle was never found or referred to as a weapon by RTP.

Perhaps JD and JTJ can explain this minor discrepancy??

All should be answered in court

A court presided over by one or two Thai judges. Does anyone think the judges will counter the full weight of Thai officialdom all the way up to the PM ?!? They'd have to have either a death wish or want to trash their careers.

[templedog]

This only proves 1 thing. The samples taken do not match with the master sample handed over by the BIB - WHICH nobody knows for sure where AND FROM WHOM it came from.

Thus, in effect, it proves NOTHING, ZERO, ZILCH, RIEN, NADA!

EXACTLY.

This whole charade was fixed from the get go. Why else wait 6 weeks before doing the DNA test? Plus, even 'IF' legit, it would NOT be proof he was not involved.

I personally don't think this kid was directly involved with this case, and I don't think the Burmese are guilty either and have been stitched up, but I do believe the people who did this are involved with village heads family somehow, either employees, hangers on or direct relations, and all this showboating is a distraction/red herring thrown in to change the focus while the real guilty parties are not being looked for, the kid may have been their that night, may have witnessed the events and knows who did this but actually didn't physically take part.

This is exactly what I believe. Some two posters here are either blatantly apologetic to the RTP, or their brains are simply too small to imagine possibilities that make MUCH more sense than the "facts" and "sources" that they blather about, however I believe the former....they simply refuse to connect dots....it's a blessing that they are not detectives. David was attacked by a one toothed shark!! Hahahaha!!

[Fat Haggis]

Makes you wonder, who are they really protecting??

Must be someone high up in the foodchain!!

Not sure if there is any truth in what was already reported but Suthep is supposed to be his Uncle however I don't really see what bearing having such a person of interests as Khun Suthep would have any influence on any outcome, other than he owns quite a substantial part of the Region.

Since a few months, the 'red brigadists' here had gone quiet about Suthep. Here they come again. What a sad bunch! Let's spread a, totally false, rumour: the Warot kid's biological father is Thaksin's brother. Utter nonsense, like the tiny (poisoned) alm of straw they hold on to here, but, boy, you would see them climb to the top of the coconut trees... Guys, is there really no limit for you?

What on earth are you trying to put some political bullshit spin on this murder for ???????

First off try reading a bit closer, it was stated in several threads about Nomsod and his "uncle Suthep"

Now try reading the part where I stated how much truth there is to that claim ??

Then try reading the part where I said if true, what bearing does it really have, other than Suthep owning parts of the area.

But you think that's political? I couldn't care less about Thaksin or Suthep they're both egomaniacs, but I do care about finding and punishing the killers of Hannah and David.

Very very cheap shot trying to bring That politics into this case. Its quite obvious what part of the divide you are on, when if you're a Farang Thai politics has sod all to do with you anyway !! ?

[jdinasia]

been looking again at David's wounds

looks like a shark bite, but by 1 tooth

There's been a lot of discussion online about David's wounds. There are 2 reasons Thai cops don't make any mention of that: A. they're either so ignorant, they can't see clearly, or (most likely) B. They know the wounds don't fit with their flaccid theory of a blunt hoe, so they discount any discussion of the wounds or the weapon. The wounds fit with a sharp 'punch blade' which fits in the hand. It's the type of hard-to-find weapon which tough mafia wannabes like the headman's son and brother (and their cop friends) would use. The Burmese don't have the slightest idea about murder weapon, because they're innocent.

According to the roti/pancake seller/RTP interpreter, David was hit with a large wine wine bottle. Mr Roti openly stated this was what the 2 accused told him. There is a video of his interview showing on Facebook. Strange that the bottle was never found or referred to as a weapon by RTP.

Perhaps JD and JTJ can explain this minor discrepancy??

All should be answered in court

A court presided over by one or two Thai judges. Does anyone think the judges will counter the full weight of Thai officialdom all the way up to the PM ?!? They'd have to have either a death wish or want to trash their careers.

It will be a tribunal of several. Judges in Thailand do buck authority and have secure careers.

[dieseldave1951]

RTP still playing at being the centre of the world( and of coarse they are) for all the wrong reasons

if this gangster is so innocent then why don't they just give the UK police a sample to corrobrate their stance.

These tests mean absolutly FA

"So it is unnecessary to forward the DNA results to the British government because it had no doubt about the investigation being conducted by the Thai police, said Pol Lt Gen Prawut."

Anyone still believing in any of this BS??

It would be nice of them to forward the results to the UK authorities so the British can compare the DNA to any samples they managed to collect from Hannah's body.

[templedog]

JTJ and JD, and a few others.... may very well be employed by the RTP!!! (notice I used the word "may" as in a possibility...a disclaimer so that I might not be sued for defamation). Most people do not understand the complexities of information wars on social media....they are doing "damage control". When they are offered common sense questions and/or speculation/criticism they simply spew from their frothy mouths "name a source", or, "show me the facts", Or, my favorite...."CONSPIRACY THEORY"!!! Fact is...they are losing this battle....because a bear does shit in the woods, and the pope is Catholic. I know you two are having a chuckle at this....wink wink.

Edited November 2, 2014 by templedog

[phanangpete]

Porntip, was interviewed, and she said, that the case from the start was flawed, she asked why was there no forensic scientist called to deal with the dna testing , even from a local hospital in Surat !

THe Uk police should be asking for her advice now , before it is too late, she is the expert everyone will believe, they only used her when they needed her back in 2004 for the sunami in Phuket, when they had to identify thousands who perished there .

[SteveFong]

The question remains:

was he on the island at the time, or not?

DNA will not provide this answer,

but interrogation will.

how long before the Scotland Yard people have their say?

If it is January as is being reported then Thailand is in real trouble and as for the two Burmese lads .... They will be toast by then. My faith is that Scotland Yard sees the absolute urgency not just the diplo mindset. How far did the diplo way get them early on. No where. Steam rolled all of them ! The longer they leave their comments the deeper into the hsite we sink.

As a poster mentioned yesterday the US and Aus embassies should be publicly lending their support to the UK efforts enquiries and travel restrictions. Not behind closed doors as that we know, achieves nothing. Right out in the public domain. Can imagine the yanks would be not be afraid of Thailand and would be happy to do so. They don't like to be placed under anyone's thumb.

While the US may have staged an "outraged" State Dept. and a "stern message" to Thailand about it's human rights, they never would have sent an investigative team to overlook a case like this

The US has FBI, DIA, and all sorts of aplhabet agencies operating in various different part of Thailand, and have been since before I was born. There is no place the US intelligence "community" doesn't operate, and with Hezbollah operating in Thailand, you can bet Mossad is as well.

None of them would send agents openly to Thailand to investigate two kids murder, no matter how brutal.

That the UK sent a "team" of Scotland Yard detectives is to me, VERY impressive and they came after an extensive interview with Chris Ware,

the one person everyone seems to have forgotten

[metisdead]

Posts with messed up quotes have been removed. Off topic baiting posts have been removed as well.

[SteveFong]

Who were the men on the fast boat that were arrested and then let go?

Who was in the cave, high out of his mind?

Who was the "asian man" caught running to and fro on CCTV and who the police asked the public to help indentify?

is this distorting the facts of the case, or was this not part of the "case?"

are the "archair detectives" and the "internet idiots" making all this up, or did these words not come directly from the Royal Thai Police?

did they announce that they are no longer seeking to indentify the asian man?

Would you stop holding these MoFo's accountable!

You will end up in the slammer for 5 years if you continue on this way.

I will never return to Thailand.

It is not safe for foreigners and, it isn't worth the risk.

I liked it, and I didn't like it; but once was enough.

I do not like the direction the country is going in

[metisdead]

A flame post has been removed.

[SteveFong]

been looking again at David's wounds

looks like a shark bite

but by 1 tooth

According to the roti/pancake seller/RTP interpreter, David was hit with a large wine wine bottle. Mr Roti openly stated this was what the 2 accused told him. There is a video of his interview showing on Facebook. Strange that the bottle was never found or referred to as a weapon by RTP.

Perhaps JD and JTJ can explain this minor discrepancy??

I am not conversant on the conspiracy theorist website.

Can I take it that you now believe the confessions?

Is the roti seller now credible to you?

Are you sure that the police have not mentioned a wine bottle?

The basic answer would be that the confessions came 2 weeks after the murders. If there was not a wine bottle found what happened to it? Did the roti seller answer that?

All should be answered in court

is there actually a real court system there?

and, would a real court accept confessions from people who couldn't read what they were signing?

confessions in a language they didn't understand

written and professed to by an interpreter who didn't understand

is that what you are so proudly defending here?

you want us to believe this?

[niffy61]

This situation will never be resolved. Why for two key reasons. Firstly the bib do not want to show their hand , more importantly they appear not to believe they need to as all should accept their comuunications.

Two , the viewing public both locally and international will never believe or trust this group bib. Lastly the bib have only themselves to blame for the distrust in their ability to act fairly. So no solution will ever be found in this case. Regardless of who is convicted we will never know if they really are the guilty persons

[KevWaters]

This proves he may have used a condom, May have killed them only, or may be innocent. Now test his friends as it's unlikely he acted alone

[templedog]

es!! Where he got his haircut in the last 2 months is a vital clue to follow up On!

This is the theory that will solve it all!

typical brainless answer from you trying to deflect the truth coming out .

It has been 2 months since the murders and he was appearing before the press....

LOL

Don't try your smart a tactics with me how do you know where and when he had the haircut his lawyer showed a photo of him in a lobby with a haircut at the approx time of the murders . Again you are trying protecting this family have a look at how many people are disgusted with your posts on thai visa.

You may want to look at the photo released by the lawyer.

I will try and dumb my responses down further for you in the future.

maybe the investigators will a have closer look this.

It is not going away and if Nomsod is innocent he has nothing to worry about but there are too many unanswered questions and he has not shown enough eveidence to say where he was thousands of people are not convinced.

It will quite likely go away. You seem to think anyone needs to convince the public. (particularly foreigners) That simply isn't true. He is not a suspect. They took DNA tests which were not required wiping out the conspiracy theorists "innocent people would" complaints and the "he's not really related theory."

Now if the family goes after people defaming them on the Internet... Nobody will have any right to complain.

How about meeting me in a McDonald's parking lot...so I can "dumb your ass down"?

This is a just a joke....no intentional threat intended....I repeat...no intentional threat intended....it is just a joke.

[templedog]

This situation will never be resolved. Why for two key reasons. Firstly the bib do not want to show their hand , more importantly they appear not to believe they need to as all should accept their comuunications.

Two , the viewing public both locally and international will never believe or trust this group bib. Lastly the bib have only themselves to blame for the distrust in their ability to act fairly. So no solution will ever be found in this case. Regardless of who is convicted we will never know if they really are the guilty persons

You are speaking like the 99% of this forum...the 1%'s are VERY obvious. JTJ...JDinarseland.

[SteveFong]

Just reading on csiLA they are saying the pancake translator said that a wine bottle was used as a weapon.

CSI LA is about as trustworthy as the Thai police!!

I second that! I doubt whether any more agree as everyone seems to blindly follow what this "keyboard investigator" CsiLA comes up with. I must admit that his "evidence" does come across as quite convincing but a lot of it defies logic and looking back at earlier cases he "investigated" such as MH370 it is very much based on hearsay. He does a brilliant job on copy/pasting from all kinds of sources without investigating and judging the credibility of those sources.

My intuition tells me that this time -for a change -the police do have it right.

Discrediting CSI LA and, praising the Thai police, all in one post,

bravo

[templedog]

been looking again at David's wounds

looks like a shark bite

but by 1 tooth

According to the roti/pancake seller/RTP interpreter, David was hit with a large wine wine bottle. Mr Roti openly stated this was what the 2 accused told him. There is a video of his interview showing on Facebook. Strange that the bottle was never found or referred to as a weapon by RTP.

Perhaps JD and JTJ can explain this minor discrepancy??

I am not conversant on the conspiracy theorist website.

Can I take it that you now believe the confessions?

Is the roti seller now credible to you?

Are you sure that the police have not mentioned a wine bottle?

The basic answer would be that the confessions came 2 weeks after the murders. If there was not a wine bottle found what happened to it? Did the roti seller answer that?

All should be answered in court

is there actually a real court system there?

and, would a real court accept confessions from people who couldn't read what they were signing?

confessions in a language they didn't understand

written and professed to by an interpreter who didn't understand

is that what you are so proudly defending here?

you want us to believe this?

These two are trying so hard....but they fail....to confuse, misinform, blah, blah, blah....funny how they seldom to reply to my posts.

Edited November 2, 2014 by templedog

[JOC]

Who were the men on the fast boat that were arrested and then let go?

Who was in the cave, high out of his mind?

Who was the "asian man" caught running to and fro on CCTV and who the police asked the public to help indentify?

is this distorting the facts of the case, or was this not part of the "case?"

are the "archair detectives" and the "internet idiots" making all this up, or did these words not come directly from the Royal Thai Police?

did they announce that they are no longer seeking to indentify the asian man?

Would you stop holding these MoFo's accountable!

You will end up in the slammer for 5 years if you continue on this way.

I will never return to Thailand.

It is not safe for foreigners and, it isn't worth the risk.

I liked it, and I didn't like it; but once was enough.

I do not like the direction the country is going in

What was her name??

[templedog]

Just reading on csiLA they are saying the pancake translator said that a wine bottle was used as a weapon.

CSI LA is about as trustworthy as the Thai police!!

I second that! I doubt whether any more agree as everyone seems to blindly follow what this "keyboard investigator" CsiLA comes up with. I must admit that his "evidence" does come across as quite convincing but a lot of it defies logic and looking back at earlier cases he "investigated" such as MH370 it is very much based on hearsay. He does a brilliant job on copy/pasting from all kinds of sources without investigating and judging the credibility of those sources.

My intuition tells me that this time -for a change -the police do have it right.

Discrediting CSI LA and, praising the Thai police, all in one post,

bravo

These dudes FAIL at their jobs...yes, their jobs....PAID to blather. Shameless talk for profit. Just a joke....I am not serious. Do not arrest me for slander...it is just a joke....do not believe me...I am only kidding....believe the RTP. Get in line. Go shopping.

[mathias24]

"so it is unnecessary to forward the DNA results to the British government"

so this basically confirms the tests were bullshit.

What did you expect and I agree 100% with you. If they have nothing to hide then get independant test from outside Thailand as we all know that they can generate any test results within the country. Money talks

[templedog]

“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.”
― George Orwell

Great job to "you know who".

[JOC]

Who were the men on the fast boat that were arrested and then let go?

Who was in the cave, high out of his mind?

Who was the "asian man" caught running to and fro on CCTV and who the police asked the public to help indentify?

is this distorting the facts of the case, or was this not part of the "case?"

are the "archair detectives" and the "internet idiots" making all this up, or did these words not come directly from the Royal Thai Police?

did they announce that they are no longer seeking to indentify the asian man?

Would you stop holding these MoFo's accountable!

You will end up in the slammer for 5 years if you continue on this way.

I will never return to Thailand.

It is not safe for foreigners and, it isn't worth the risk.

I liked it, and I didn't like it; but once was enough.

I do not like the direction the country is going in

You have been to Thailand once and are not going to come back!

Despite that you joined a forum called Thaivisa, and in 3 months have posted 2000 posts!!

Makes sense!!