Koh Tao suspects to be indicted by end of month

[greenchair]

rockingrobin, on 02 Mar 2015 - 15:11, said:

boomerangutang, on 02 Mar 2015 - 14:46, said:

catsanddogs, on 02 Mar 2015 - 13:32, said:

The only reason I can think that a woman (or man) might give their personal belongings to someone to look after in that situation is if they were going for a swim and didn't want to leave anything on the sand. I wonder if David had a wallet with him and if he did, what happened to it? Hannah's friend who handed her phone to the police must have given an explanation of why and when it came to be in her possession. I also wonder if when her phone was given back to her parents, all the data/photos were still on it.

All this business of phones seems strange to say the least. David's phone found smashed. Hannah's in the possession of a friend. McAnna allegedly using a phone belonging to a member of staff at the 24/7 store to ask for help. And nothing whatsoever in the public domain regards what evidence there might have been on any of them relating to the murders or lead up to the murders.

Yea, that's another oddity. If Sean was using someone else's phone, then how could he phone relatives (?), unless he had memorized all their phone numbers. Not impossible, but not likely. Also, would someone loaning a phone be ok with a (stranger?) another person making long distance calls? Sean is not the picture of politeness, but still..... and he checked/uploaded on to his FB page - still using someone else's mobile phone?

But, to me, the strangest issue with phones (more than the plant of Hannah's or David's phone at the B's dwelling) is that RTP detectives seemed to have done absolutely zero in checking up on 'persons of interest' phone logs - particularly for Monday morning's calls histories. If they did anything in that regard, we haven't heard peep. If they haven't, then I for one wouldn't be surprised, because assessing phone histories would likely implicate those who the RTP are trying to shield.

Talking about phone in the following are the burmese pointing to an unbroken phone

I have also read that it is claimed the running man is one of the B2, can anyone confirm, unable to post link

I have also read that it is claimed the running man is one of the B2, can anyone confirm, unable to post link

I can't confirm it but I get the feeling it could be Win. But if it is Win, he could be running around in a panic after either finding the bodies, or witnessing what went down at the beach that night. It doesn't mean he's guilty of the murders.

Are you sure you are not mixed up.

Walking man is reported to be Maung Maung. That is the burmese they are talking about.

Running man has never been reported to be any of the Burmese.

walking man.

Running man

They are not the same

[IslandLover]

greenchair, on 03 Mar 2015 - 02:50, said:greenchair, on 03 Mar 2015 - 02:50, said:

IslandLover, on 02 Mar 2015 - 19:16, said:IslandLover, on 02 Mar 2015 - 19:16, said:

rockingrobin, on 02 Mar 2015 - 15:11, said:rockingrobin, on 02 Mar 2015 - 15:11, said:

rockingrobin, on 02 Mar 2015 - 15:11, said:

Talking about phone in the following are the burmese pointing to an unbroken phone

I have also read that it is claimed the running man is one of the B2, can anyone confirm, unable to post link

I have also read that it is claimed the running man is one of the B2, can anyone confirm, unable to post link

I can't confirm it but I get the feeling it could be Win. But if it is Win, he could be running around in a panic after either finding the bodies, or witnessing what went down at the beach that night. It doesn't mean he's guilty of the murders.

Are you sure you are not mixed up.

Walking man is reported to be Maung Maung. That is the burmese they are talking about.

Running man has never been reported to be any of the Burmese.

post-221615-0-07103400-1420580913 (1).jpgwalking man.

article-2763277-2184B15500000578-954_634x655 (1).jpgarticle-2763277-2184B15500000578-954_634x655 (1).jpg

Running man

They are not the same

No, I'm not mixed up. Running man has never been publicly identified (yes, Mon initially said it was him but I don't believe it is). Rockingrobin says that it has been claimed that running man is one of the B2 but doesn't name the source of this claim. If this claim is true, then it can only be Win in my opinion. It is not Zaw and it is not Maung Maung.

[jdinasia]

Again. You have no idea what the evidence is nor the extent of the RTP investigation.

The evidence will be presented in court during the trial.

I don't know if you're addressing me, or just all the concerned observers in general. I can say I DO have an idea of some of the evidence which will be presented in court. Jdinasia, you can speak for yourself and your possible cluelessness, but you don't speak for me. As for prosecution, unless they do a 180 degree change in tactics, they will put forth much of the same garbage they've put forth since the crime, including;

>>> David was stabbed by the sharp end of the hoe,

>>> David and Hannah were lovers getting ready to (or already) engaging in sex on the beach.

....and more mistakes

The opening sentence in JD's quote above; ("You have no idea what the evidence is nor the extent of the RTP investigation.") says two different things: The first part presumes I and others have no idea of evidence - and that's completely wrong. The 2nd part is true, as no one except RTP insiders knows the extent of the RTP investigation. However, I can venture to list the many things which the RTP DIDN'T LOOK AT. Some items are just omissions due to ignorance. Yet other omissions were likely purposeful - because RTP is working hand in hand with the H and his people - to shield the H's people. Shall I make another list of the oft-mentioned screw-ups? I've made many already, and it's tiresome.

Your fixation (and defamation) on and of people who are not suspects is tiresome.

No, you don't have any idea what the prosecution will use in court. You can guess but guessing isn't knowing.

I can guess as well. That doesn't mean that I am correct.

I am guessing that they will use multiple confessions, including to lawyers and the HRC commissioner. That they will use rape and theft as a motive for the murders is also a guess on my part. I assume that they will use the DNA from the semen found in Hannah as proof of the underlying crime of rape. I am guessing that they will use testimony regarding the broken phone to prove the underlying crime of theft. I am guessing that judges will accept that to have committed the rape and theft, that the victims would have to have been unable to fight back. I don't know what the results of the toxicology tests run on the victims is.

Reasonable people will accept that to commit the underlying crimes that the same people committed the murders.

[boomerangutang]

This is devolving to bickering. Thanks Jdinasia, for lowering the standards of this discussion to 5 yr old mentality ("Tommy took my cookie." Tommy, "no I didn't." "yes you did." etc etc ad nauseum). You keep saying I and others 'have no idea.' I have a very good idea of much of what the prosecution will put on the table, because the prosecution has been making statements for months. Do I know everything which will be uttered? No. Neither do they. The trial will evolve. Prosecution will detract some things, as they've done thus far, when they see they've been caught in lies (by your dreaded social media). Defense may make some mistakes also, but at least the defense isn't trying to hoodwink the judge and the Thai people, as the prosecution is and will be.

[greenchair]

greenchair, on 03 Mar 2015 - 02:50, said:greenchair, on 03 Mar 2015 - 02:50, said:

IslandLover, on 02 Mar 2015 - 19:16, said:IslandLover, on 02 Mar 2015 - 19:16, said:

rockingrobin, on 02 Mar 2015 - 15:11, said:rockingrobin, on 02 Mar 2015 - 15:11, said:

rockingrobin, on 02 Mar 2015 - 15:11, said:

Talking about phone in the following are the burmese pointing to an unbroken phone

I have also read that it is claimed the running man is one of the B2, can anyone confirm, unable to post link

I have also read that it is claimed the running man is one of the B2, can anyone confirm, unable to post link

I can't confirm it but I get the feeling it could be Win. But if it is Win, he could be running around in a panic after either finding the bodies, or witnessing what went down at the beach that night. It doesn't mean he's guilty of the murders.

Are you sure you are not mixed up.

Walking man is reported to be Maung Maung. That is the burmese they are talking about.

Running man has never been reported to be any of the Burmese.

post-221615-0-07103400-1420580913 (1).jpgwalking man.

article-2763277-2184B15500000578-954_634x655 (1).jpgarticle-2763277-2184B15500000578-954_634x655 (1).jpg

Running man

They are not the same

No, I'm not mixed up. Running man has never been publicly identified (yes, Mon initially said it was him but I don't believe it is). Rockingrobin says that it has been claimed that running man is one of the B2 but doesn't name the source of this claim. If this claim is true, then it can only be Win in my opinion. It is not Zaw and it is not Maung Maung.

Really, nobody including the police, have ever said running man was one of the Burmese. He too thin and small built to be 1 and too tall to be the other.

Though there have been some discussions as it being either nomsod or mon.

I think it is Mon. But you never know.

[jdinasia]

The prosecution is not the RTP boomerangutang. The prosecution has divulged almost nothing. The prosecution has not been caught in lies TTBOMK

[JLCrab]

Running Man was Arnold Schwarzenegger --

[IslandLover]

I don't know if this has been posted before but it goes into some detail of what happened in court on 26th December last.

http://www.mizzima.com/mizzima-news/regional/item/16286-july-trial-for-koh-tao-accused

Most of the complainant witnesses in the Koh Tao murder case are Thai police, lawyer U Aung Myo Thant, a member of Myanmar embassy’s special investigation team in Thailand, told Mizzima December 26.

“Most of the complainant witnesses at the court proceeding today were Thai police, while one or two people were the ones who found the bodies of the victims were the defendants’ witnesses. Thai police also presented CCTV records and DNA samples,” he said.

The parents of the victims also presented two witnesses for the case, he continued.

So, the person/people who found the bodies is/are witnesses for the defence.

[boomerangutang]

The prosecution is not the RTP boomerangutang. The prosecution has divulged almost nothing. The prosecution has not been caught in lies TTBOMK

Prosecution and RTP are on the same team. They're both reading from the same hymnal. Prosecution get their data from RTP, and RTP have already revealed many of their cards. RTP needed to re-write their accusations against the B2 several times, before being deemed incriminating enough by the prosecution. Some of the prosecution team may actually be RTP.

[jdinasia]

Boomerangutang, they aren't on the same team. There are no police on the prosecution. Your characterization of the prosecution sending the case back for more works to prove this.

Prosecutors frequently don't take cases forward to trial even when the police submit cases.

Since it is impossible to prove a negative, I will wait expectantly for proof of your claims

[thailandchilli]

The prosecution is not the RTP boomerangutang. The prosecution has divulged almost nothing. The prosecution has not been caught in lies TTBOMK

Prosecution and RTP are on the same team. They're both reading from the same hymnal. Prosecution get their data from RTP, and RTP have already revealed many of their cards. RTP needed to re-write their accusations against the B2 several times, before being deemed incriminating enough by the prosecution. Some of the prosecution team may actually be RTP.

We already know by what the prosecutors said earlier in the case that they required more evidence and were constantly shoving the file back to the RTP to get it fixed. I think it was the third or fourth time that the fixing was complete. We also know that the prosecution and RTP are apparently still claiming that the Hoe was the weapon used to kill both Hannah and David and this seems to be confirmed by the prosecutors documents that was shown to the Telegraph:

Prosecution documents seen by The Telegraph allege the two men killed both Mr Miller and Ms Witheridge with a hoe. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11313714/Koh-Tao-murders-suspects-in-killing-of-David-Miller-and-Hannah-Witheridge-say-they-were-framed.html

I'm assuming and have read that the defense have prepared for this particular accusation.

Certainly does not surprise me, in my opinion theres no way some of Davids wounds were done with a hoe.

Edited March 3, 2015 by thailandchilli

[jdinasia]

The prosecution is not the RTP boomerangutang. The prosecution has divulged almost nothing. The prosecution has not been caught in lies TTBOMK

Prosecution and RTP are on the same team. They're both reading from the same hymnal. Prosecution get their data from RTP, and RTP have already revealed many of their cards. RTP needed to re-write their accusations against the B2 several times, before being deemed incriminating enough by the prosecution. Some of the prosecution team may actually be RTP.

We already know by what the prosecutors said earlier in the case that they required more evidence and were constantly shoving the file back to the RTP to get it fixed. I think it was the third or fourth time that the fixing was complete. We also know that the prosecution and RTP are apparently still claiming that the Hoe was the weapon used to kill both Hannah and David and this seems to be confirmed by the prosecutors documents that was shown to the Telegraph:

Prosecution documents seen by The Telegraph allege the two men killed both Mr Miller and Ms Witheridge with a hoe. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11313714/Koh-Tao-murders-suspects-in-killing-of-David-Miller-and-Hannah-Witheridge-say-they-were-framed.html

I'm assuming and have read that the defense have prepared for this particular accusation.

Certainly does not surprise me, in my opinion theres no way some of Davids wounds were done with a hoe.

The prosecution (if the article you link to is accurate) only need to show that the weapon that caused the massive head wound to David was the hoe. I am not a forensic pathologist so have no credible experience to make any claims as to what caused the other wounds. I did show earlier via links that wounds which look like cuts may in fact be lacerations. I also don't know if the additional wounds were post or ante-mortem.

If you are not a forensic pathologist, you are entitled to an opinion but it holds no credibility.

[thailandchilli]

The prosecution is not the RTP boomerangutang. The prosecution has divulged almost nothing. The prosecution has not been caught in lies TTBOMK

Prosecution and RTP are on the same team. They're both reading from the same hymnal. Prosecution get their data from RTP, and RTP have already revealed many of their cards. RTP needed to re-write their accusations against the B2 several times, before being deemed incriminating enough by the prosecution. Some of the prosecution team may actually be RTP.

We already know by what the prosecutors said earlier in the case that they required more evidence and were constantly shoving the file back to the RTP to get it fixed. I think it was the third or fourth time that the fixing was complete. We also know that the prosecution and RTP are apparently still claiming that the Hoe was the weapon used to kill both Hannah and David and this seems to be confirmed by the prosecutors documents that was shown to the Telegraph:

Prosecution documents seen by The Telegraph allege the two men killed both Mr Miller and Ms Witheridge with a hoe. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11313714/Koh-Tao-murders-suspects-in-killing-of-David-Miller-and-Hannah-Witheridge-say-they-were-framed.html

I'm assuming and have read that the defense have prepared for this particular accusation.

Certainly does not surprise me, in my opinion theres no way some of Davids wounds were done with a hoe.

The prosecution (if the article you link to is accurate) only need to show that the weapon that caused the massive head wound to David was the hoe. I am not a forensic pathologist so have no credible experience to make any claims as to what caused the other wounds. I did show earlier via links that wounds which look like cuts may in fact be lacerations. I also don't know if the additional wounds were post or ante-mortem.

If you are not a forensic pathologist, you are entitled to an opinion but it holds no credibility.

Snap I am also not a pathologist nor do I pretend to be one but my opinion is as credible as yours, we differ and my opinion stands as stated in my post. Regards your statement that the prosecution only needs to show that the weapon used that caused the head wound was the hoe? Where did you pluck that one from? There are other wounds that are clearly not from a hoe............in my opinion and if that is the case the prosecution will also be asked about that and questioned about that from the defense, ie where is this weapon, what was it.

The article is I assume correct, unless we now start questioning every article that does not suit a certain point of view until you find one that does.

Edited March 3, 2015 by thailandchilli

[fayou]

An autopsy showed that Mr Miller had been struck with a metal bar, rather than the garden hoe used to strike Miss Witheridge

As divers searched for the weapon, police finally conceded they were finding the double-murder 'quite difficult'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2762055/Thai-divers-hunt-missing-murder-weapon-tourists-flock-spot-British-duo-murdered.html

[rockingrobin]

With regards to running man

And they produced video and CCTV pictures showing the three suspects on a motorcycle at about 10.30 in the evening, a suspect buying cigarettes at a 7/11 and what is claimed to be one of the suspects caught running shortly before dawn. But none of the suspects appears to have blond hair on September 15th

I understand the article cannot be linked here (I predominately use google)

[loonodingle]

Even if they convince the judge it wasn't a hoe that killed David the DNA is the clincher.

In fact they can convict you in the UK without any evidence just spoken word.

Someone says you have done it and you prove it otherwise.

The jails are filling up with the musicians and TV stars here for crime's committed upto 25 years ago.

Lets hope if the DNA is suspect that the experts like Pornthip help the defense fight their case on the grounds of chain of custody.

[jdinasia]

The prosecution is not the RTP boomerangutang. The prosecution has divulged almost nothing. The prosecution has not been caught in lies TTBOMK

Prosecution and RTP are on the same team. They're both reading from the same hymnal. Prosecution get their data from RTP, and RTP have already revealed many of their cards. RTP needed to re-write their accusations against the B2 several times, before being deemed incriminating enough by the prosecution. Some of the prosecution team may actually be RTP.

We already know by what the prosecutors said earlier in the case that they required more evidence and were constantly shoving the file back to the RTP to get it fixed. I think it was the third or fourth time that the fixing was complete. We also know that the prosecution and RTP are apparently still claiming that the Hoe was the weapon used to kill both Hannah and David and this seems to be confirmed by the prosecutors documents that was shown to the Telegraph:

Prosecution documents seen by The Telegraph allege the two men killed both Mr Miller and Ms Witheridge with a hoe. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11313714/Koh-Tao-murders-suspects-in-killing-of-David-Miller-and-Hannah-Witheridge-say-they-were-framed.html

I'm assuming and have read that the defense have prepared for this particular accusation.

Certainly does not surprise me, in my opinion theres no way some of Davids wounds were done with a hoe.

The prosecution (if the article you link to is accurate) only need to show that the weapon that caused the massive head wound to David was the hoe. I am not a forensic pathologist so have no credible experience to make any claims as to what caused the other wounds. I did show earlier via links that wounds which look like cuts may in fact be lacerations. I also don't know if the additional wounds were post or ante-mortem.

If you are not a forensic pathologist, you are entitled to an opinion but it holds no credibility.

Snap I am also not a pathologist nor do I pretend to be one but my opinion is as credible as yours, we differ and my opinion stands as stated in my post. Regards your statement that the prosecution only needs to show that the weapon used that caused the head wound was the hoe? Where did you pluck that one from? There are other wounds that are clearly not from a hoe............in my opinion and if that is the case the prosecution will also be asked about that and questioned about that from the defense, ie where is this weapon, what was it.

The article is I assume correct, unless we now start questioning every article that does not suit a certain point of view until you find one that does.

Then were those other wounds caused ante mortem or post mortem? Caused by predation or....

Regarding the next 2 posts, 1 is Thai language and the next is blocked by the Thai government.

[IslandLover]

rockingrobin, on 03 Mar 2015 - 17:08, said:

With regards to running man

And they produced video and CCTV pictures showing the three suspects on a motorcycle at about 10.30 in the evening, a suspect buying cigarettes at a 7/11 and what is claimed to be one of the suspects caught running shortly before dawn. But none of the suspects appears to have blond hair on September 15th

I understand the article cannot be linked here (I predominately use google)

You could give us some clues on where to look for it, or at the very least, what is the date of this report?

So, if this is all the CCTV evidence the RTP has against the B2/B3, none of it proves they were the murderers!

[IslandLover]

IslandLover, on 03 Mar 2015 - 15:42, said:

I don't know if this has been posted before but it goes into some detail of what happened in court on 26th December last.

http://www.mizzima.com/mizzima-news/regional/item/16286-july-trial-for-koh-tao-accused

Most of the complainant witnesses in the Koh Tao murder case are Thai police, lawyer U Aung Myo Thant, a member of Myanmar embassy’s special investigation team in Thailand, told Mizzima December 26.

“Most of the complainant witnesses at the court proceeding today were Thai police, while one or two people were the ones who found the bodies of the victims were the defendants’ witnesses. Thai police also presented CCTV records and DNA samples,” he said.

The parents of the victims also presented two witnesses for the case, he continued.

So, the person/people who found the bodies is/are witnesses for the defence.

I just noticed something else in the above report:

The parents of the victims also presented two witnesses for the case, he continued.

So, what does this mean exactly? The Daily Mail reported that members of the victims' (Witheridge and Miller) families were actually in the courtroom but I had not seen this reported anywhere else and presumed the Mail had got its facts wrong.

[Maestro]

Removed a link to a non-English video.

[boomerangutang]

The prosecution is not the RTP boomerangutang. The prosecution has divulged almost nothing. The prosecution has not been caught in lies TTBOMK

I didn't say they were exactly the same. I said they're playing for the same team, which they are. One is the tail, the other, the wag.

[jdinasia]

This is devolving to bickering. Thanks Jdinasia, for lowering the standards of this discussion to 5 yr old mentality ("Tommy took my cookie." Tommy, "no I didn't." "yes you did." etc etc ad nauseum). You keep saying I and others 'have no idea.' I have a very good idea of much of what the prosecution will put on the table, because the prosecution has been making statements for months. Do I know everything which will be uttered? No. Neither do they. The trial will evolve. Prosecution will detract some things, as they've done thus far, when they see they've been caught in lies (by your dreaded social media). Defense may make some mistakes also, but at least the defense isn't trying to hoodwink the judge and the Thai people, as the prosecution is and will be.

You say above that the prosecution has been making statements for months, will detract (sic) some things when they see they are caught in lies..ETC

You are clearly making false equivalencies between the prosecution and the RTP.

[greenchair]

Yes, the prosecution and the rtp.

One is the tail, the other is the wag. ???

Couldn't have said it better myself.

So funny.

But in my experience, so true.

[greenchair]

With regards to running man

And they produced video and CCTV pictures showing the three suspects on a motorcycle at about 10.30 in the evening, a suspect buying cigarettes at a 7/11 and what is claimed to be one of the suspects caught running shortly before dawn. But none of the suspects appears to have blond hair on September 15th

I understand the article cannot be linked here (I predominately use google)

What is the date of the report.

[JLCrab]

Yes, the prosecution and the rtp.

One is the tail, the other is the wag. ???

Couldn't have said it better myself.

So funny.

But in my experience, so true.

But in my experience, so true. That's funny after reading of your experience in Ask-the-Lawyer

[thailandchilli]

The prosecution is not the RTP boomerangutang. The prosecution has divulged almost nothing. The prosecution has not been caught in lies TTBOMK

Prosecution and RTP are on the same team. They're both reading from the same hymnal. Prosecution get their data from RTP, and RTP have already revealed many of their cards. RTP needed to re-write their accusations against the B2 several times, before being deemed incriminating enough by the prosecution. Some of the prosecution team may actually be RTP.

We already know by what the prosecutors said earlier in the case that they required more evidence and were constantly shoving the file back to the RTP to get it fixed. I think it was the third or fourth time that the fixing was complete. We also know that the prosecution and RTP are apparently still claiming that the Hoe was the weapon used to kill both Hannah and David and this seems to be confirmed by the prosecutors documents that was shown to the Telegraph:

Prosecution documents seen by The Telegraph allege the two men killed both Mr Miller and Ms Witheridge with a hoe. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11313714/Koh-Tao-murders-suspects-in-killing-of-David-Miller-and-Hannah-Witheridge-say-they-were-framed.html

I'm assuming and have read that the defense have prepared for this particular accusation.

Certainly does not surprise me, in my opinion theres no way some of Davids wounds were done with a hoe.

The prosecution (if the article you link to is accurate) only need to show that the weapon that caused the massive head wound to David was the hoe. I am not a forensic pathologist so have no credible experience to make any claims as to what caused the other wounds. I did show earlier via links that wounds which look like cuts may in fact be lacerations. I also don't know if the additional wounds were post or ante-mortem.

If you are not a forensic pathologist, you are entitled to an opinion but it holds no credibility.

Snap I am also not a pathologist nor do I pretend to be one but my opinion is as credible as yours, we differ and my opinion stands as stated in my post. Regards your statement that the prosecution only needs to show that the weapon used that caused the head wound was the hoe? Where did you pluck that one from? There are other wounds that are clearly not from a hoe............in my opinion and if that is the case the prosecution will also be asked about that and questioned about that from the defense, ie where is this weapon, what was it.

The article is I assume correct, unless we now start questioning every article that does not suit a certain point of view until you find one that does.

Then were those other wounds caused ante mortem or post mortem? Caused by predation or....

Regarding the next 2 posts, 1 is Thai language and the next is blocked by the Thai government.

I take it then you are assuming that the hoe was used on David. The hoe that had non of his blood or DNA and the hoe was also used on David after they had incapacitated or killed Hannah according to the re enactment. Oh dear, the defense will have a field day with this. Thanks for pointing out the Thai language video, we can always rely on you

[greenchair]

Yes, the prosecution and the rtp.

One is the tail, the other is the wag. ???

Couldn't have said it better myself.

So funny.

But in my experience, so true.

But in my experience, so true. That's funny after reading of your experience in Ask-the-Lawyer

And what experience was that stalker.

[JLCrab]

Yes, the prosecution and the rtp.

One is the tail, the other is the wag. ???

Couldn't have said it better myself.

So funny.

But in my experience, so true.

But in my experience, so true. That's funny after reading of your experience in Ask-the-Lawyer

And what experience was that stalker.

You are a serial poster in the Ask-the-Lawyer Forum. You are the one who referenced your experience with the Thai justice system.

[berybert]

Yes, the prosecution and the rtp.

One is the tail, the other is the wag. ???

Couldn't have said it better myself.

So funny.

But in my experience, so true.

But in my experience, so true. That's funny after reading of your experience in Ask-the-Lawyer

And what experience was that stalker.

You are a serial poster in the Ask-the-Lawyer Forum. You are the one who referenced your experience with the Thai justice system.

Whilst you post pictures of film/t.v. stars and quote lines from their movies/shows.

To which I have yet to see any point.

[greenchair]

Yes, the prosecution and the rtp.

One is the tail, the other is the wag. ???

Couldn't have said it better myself.

So funny.

But in my experience, so true.

But in my experience, so true. That's funny after reading of your experience in Ask-the-Lawyer

And what experience was that stalker.

You are a serial poster in the Ask-the-Lawyer Forum. You are the one who referenced your experience with the Thai justice system.

The lawyer section is provided for members to use as many times as they like. The same as some people like yourself like to serial stalk certain members posts and comment on them.

However, in keeping on topic. Yes, my court experience has shown me (as boomerangutang says ) that police and prosecutors work well together to find ways to secure convictions even when it is suspected said people are innocent. That can include ensuring weak evidence is strengthened in certain ways to get the conviction they want.

Just like boomy says one is the tail, the other is the wag.