Oh yah open again. I vow to be more polite and careful with posts.

I will do my best not to engage in meaningless arguments.

My goal is to find meaningful information and pictures that might be useful to the defense.

Like Christians' belief in a virgin giving birth?

And maybe like the immaculate belief -- whether true or not -- that the wrong persons are on trial for the 15SEP2014 crimes.

Or much, much more plausible:

And maybe like the immaculate belief -- whether true or not -- that the RIGHT persons are on trial for the 15SEP2014 crimes.

More plausible or not, just like dogma of the church, those persons right or wrong are on trial.

Oh yah open again. I vow to be more polite and careful with posts.

I will do my best not to engage in meaningless arguments.

My goal is to find meaningful information and pictures that might be useful to the defense.

I've never seen you being impolite GC. I think the trick to this is ignore the unofficial forum police, ensure no posts violate the TV rules regards defamation or whatever. If posters who have nothing to add to the discussion apart from pointing out the rules, ignore them and let them use the report button as the mods have requested so they can do their job, review the post.

As Arnie Swarzenneger The Terminator said, "Ah'll be Bach." Ok, then, I'll be Mozart, or maybe Beethoven.

Good to see this thread open again . As long as we can avoid too many speculations and rumors , any new piece of information can be important .

Just try to avoid the repeat button .

I am wondering,

Who is this?

greenchair, on 07 Mar 2015 - 13:53, said:greenchair, on 07 Mar 2015 - 13:53, said:

I am wondering,

Who is this?

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It may be Tom Wood. Before this guy gets harassed any further, I thought it advisable to post this:

It was a post he made on social media on 3rd December 2014 I believe. The "Matt" he refers to is Matt Barratt.

If people want this thread to remain open I suggest they should learn to ignore AleG jdinasia and any other that takes it so far off course it will get deleted.

The mods wont keep on giving out chances.

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If people want this thread to remain open I suggest they should learn to ignore AleG jdinasia and any other that takes it so far off course it will get deleted.

The mods wont keep on giving out chances.

What are you talking about ? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion in this case.

Are you going to just show us one side of a murder case and ignore other facts by ignoring other posters ?

We can all contribute , if you do not like it then there's no need for you to even comment on it.

So I am wondering if the guy in the top picture is Tom wood also

I am wondering if Emma also said hannah and david left together.

Or if it was only Tom and matt who say that. Did Emma stay behind at the bar with matt and Tom. The police later said hannah and david did not leave together.

Any thoughts? ????

The way the mechanics of this website software are structured, there is no good way either by quote or partial quote, post #, or URL to reference a post by a Member that is subsequently deleted by Moderation.

Naturally if the post is removed you can't refer to it. Further to that we will remove any posts that quote the removed post.

The way the mechanics of this website software are structured, there is no good way either by quote or partial quote, post #, or URL to reference a post by a Member that is subsequently deleted by Moderation.

Naturally if the post is removed you can't refer to it. Further to that we will remove any posts that quote the removed post.

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The way the mechanics of this website software are structured, there is no good way either by quote or partial quote, post #, or URL to reference a post by a Member that is subsequently deleted by Moderation.

Naturally if the post is removed you can't refer to it. Further to that we will remove any posts that quote the removed post.

Sure but you may have obliquely referred to the post before it was subsequently removed and then you get comments that your post doesn't make sense. I guess in the future I will have to be more circumspect in referencing the posts from posters who routinely have their posts removed by the Mod Squad.

The way the mechanics of this website software are structured, there is no good way either by quote or partial quote, post #, or URL to reference a post by a Member that is subsequently deleted by Moderation.

Naturally if the post is removed you can't refer to it. Further to that we will remove any posts that quote the removed post.

Sure but you may have obliquely referred to the post before it was subsequently removed and then you get comments that your post doesn't make sense. I guess in the future I will have to be more circumspect in referencing the posts from posters who routinely have their posts removed by the Mod Squad.

I believe the correct term is "Moderator Team".

If you are referring to a post you are commenting on it. If you are doing that then good netiquette is that you quote the post. If you quote the post then your post would be removed stopping this happening.

JLCrab, on 07 Mar 2015 - 22:14, said:

The original Post #801 and several other posts by the same guy were deleted by the Mods so that my reference to what was 801 no longer exisits.

The link that I provided for which it was suggested might be some kinda malware is the same link that you get should to put in the URL www.dailymail.co.uk

The link that I provided for which it was suggested might be some kinda malware is the same link that you get should to put in the URL www.dailymail.co.uk

Not from where I'm sitting

http://203.113.26.210.ipaddress.com/

Try that link. You'll find it is a TOT owned router address serving a page as part of a filter. This is the common re-direct for banned material. The reason you are getting a malware indicator is an overzealous av/malware/spybot detection routine triggered because this page is having information served that hasn't been listed as approved (such as the googleapis are).

Let's try to stay on topic, before we get closed again.

We are currently dicussing matt and Tom who are in the last picture seen of Hannah.

I am wondering if Emma also said David and Hannah left together.

greenchair, on 05 Mar 2015 - 23:16, said:

IslandLover, on 05 Mar 2015 - 16:15, said:

Here's an earlier article from the Jersey Evening Post. The timeline it quotes is interesting in that the names of the victims were known by late afternoon of September 15th, if the times quoted are Thailand time and not U.K. I still do not understand how Sean McAnna could not have known his friend David Miller had been killed on the day of the murders.

Lets not forget though that two young people lost their lives in the most horrific way. There are some tributes to David Miller in the comments section.

http://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2015/02/19/witnesses-sought-in-thai-murder-case/

What is the time difference from England. I do believe that is thai time. another interesting thing, is I have seen quite a few reports that they were discovered between 4 and 5 am.

Everybody on the island knew who it was by 6 o'clock. Most would have at 11 o'clock when it was announced 2 British nationals.

It just was not printed in the papers. Someone like Sean, friendly with up front and centre mon. Must have known.

UK would be 6 hours behind Thailand allowing for Daylight Saving Time in mid-September (presently 7 hours behind) I think.

A few members are getting the rather obvious hint. Others not so much. This topic is about a hair's breath from being closed. Continued discussion of moderation will result in suspensions as will discussion of forum hardware.

I don't know that freedom of speech -- which doesn't exist in Thailand, by the way-- is applicable to the freedom to say the same thing over and over and over and over again. It gets wearisome.

So when is the next postponement???....

greenchair, on 07 Mar 2015 - 23:43, said:greenchair, on 07 Mar 2015 - 23:43, said:

I am wondering if Emma also said hannah and david left together.

Or if it was only Tom and matt who say that. Did Emma stay behind at the bar with matt and Tom. The police later said hannah and david did not leave together.

Any thoughts?

To quote from my previous post about the comments Tom Wood made on social media on 3rd December 2014, he said:

"and then proceeded to another bar with them in which Hannah and David went their separate ways .... I assume to the beach."

How exactly should this be interpreted? Did they go separately to the beach, or together? Various reports have said that Hannah and David were seen at a beach party, presumably after the AC bar closed, but there has never been any mention that they were actually together.

It would be wonderful to know exactly what Tom Wood and Matt Barratt told the RTP about that night but I guess we will never know. I wonder if the British police have taken their statements along with those of the travelling companions of David and Hannah? They apparently took statements from witnesses living in Essex, Hampshire, Hertfordshire and Jersey.

greenchair, on 07 Mar 2015 - 23:43, said:greenchair, on 07 Mar 2015 - 23:43, said:

I am wondering if Emma also said hannah and david left together.

Or if it was only Tom and matt who say that. Did Emma stay behind at the bar with matt and Tom. The police later said hannah and david did not leave together.

Any thoughts?

To quote from my previous post about the comments Tom Wood made on social media on 3rd December 2014, he said:

"and then proceeded to another bar with them in which Hannah and David went their separate ways .... I assume to the beach."

How exactly should this be interpreted? Did they go separately to the beach, or together? Various reports have said that Hannah and David were seen at a beach party, presumably after the AC bar closed, but there has never been any mention that they were actually together.

It would be wonderful to know exactly what Tom Wood and Matt Barratt told the RTP about that night but I guess we will never know. I wonder if the British police have taken their statements along with those of the travelling companions of David and Hannah? They apparently took statements from witnesses living in Essex, Hampshire, Hertfordshire and Jersey.

Oh that's interesting.

How do you know they were witnesses in those areas and do you know who is the witness in each area.

I find it very hard to believe that there is not a single picture of them within spitting distance of each other.

She was not drunk.

I Don't think she would have left Emma alone with 2 guys to go off with David. No, there's something not right here.

greenchair, on 07 Mar 2015 - 23:43, said:greenchair, on 07 Mar 2015 - 23:43, said:

I am wondering if Emma also said hannah and david left together.

Or if it was only Tom and matt who say that. Did Emma stay behind at the bar with matt and Tom. The police later said hannah and david did not leave together.

Any thoughts?

To quote from my previous post about the comments Tom Wood made on social media on 3rd December 2014, he said:

"and then proceeded to another bar with them in which Hannah and David went their separate ways .... I assume to the beach."

How exactly should this be interpreted? Did they go separately to the beach, or together? Various reports have said that Hannah and David were seen at a beach party, presumably after the AC bar closed, but there has never been any mention that they were actually together.

It would be wonderful to know exactly what Tom Wood and Matt Barratt told the RTP about that night but I guess we will never know. I wonder if the British police have taken their statements along with those of the travelling companions of David and Hannah? They apparently took statements from witnesses living in Essex, Hampshire, Hertfordshire and Jersey.

Oh that's interesting.

How do you know they were witnesses in those areas and do you know who is the witness in each area.

I find it very hard to believe that there is not a single picture of them within spitting distance of each other.

She was not drunk.

I Don't think she would have left Emma alone with 2 guys to go off with David. No, there's something not right here.

I am unaware of blood toxicology reports being released. Was she drunk? I don't know. Perhaps it will be revealed in the trial.

Would she leave a friend with other people? I don't know. Perhaps it will be revealed in the trial.

greenchair, on 08 Mar 2015 - 07:22, said:

IslandLover, on 08 Mar 2015 - 04:13, said:

greenchair, on 07 Mar 2015 - 23:43, said:

greenchair, on 07 Mar 2015 - 23:43, said:greenchair, on 07 Mar 2015 - 23:43, said:

I am wondering if Emma also said hannah and david left together.

Or if it was only Tom and matt who say that. Did Emma stay behind at the bar with matt and Tom. The police later said hannah and david did not leave together.

Any thoughts?

To quote from my previous post about the comments Tom Wood made on social media on 3rd December 2014, he said:

"and then proceeded to another bar with them in which Hannah and David went their separate ways .... I assume to the beach."

How exactly should this be interpreted? Did they go separately to the beach, or together? Various reports have said that Hannah and David were seen at a beach party, presumably after the AC bar closed, but there has never been any mention that they were actually together.

It would be wonderful to know exactly what Tom Wood and Matt Barratt told the RTP about that night but I guess we will never know. I wonder if the British police have taken their statements along with those of the travelling companions of David and Hannah? They apparently took statements from witnesses living in Essex, Hampshire, Hertfordshire and Jersey.

Oh that's interesting.

How do you know they were witnesses in those areas and do you know who is the witness in each area.

I find it very hard to believe that there is not a single picture of them within spitting distance of each other.

She was not drunk.

I Don't think she would have left Emma alone with 2 guys to go off with David. No, there's something not right here.

The report about witnesses being interviewed by the British police comes from the Guardian newspaper:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/01/capital-punishment-concerns-hannah-witheridge-david-miller-murder-thailand

The FCO response said Hampshire, Essex, Hertfordshire and Jersey police had been asked by Thai police to interview Britons who were on Koh Tao with Witheridge and Miller.

We do not know which witnesses were interviewed where, but I presume Chris Ware was intereviwed in Jersey. Hannah had connections with Essex as she had attented Uni there, so some of those witnesses may have been her travelling companions. I do not know where Tom Wood or Matt Barratt live, or whether they were interviewed by the British police.

Sept. 18, 2014

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-muder-burmese-migrants-cleared-after-dna-tests-burma-myanmar/44236, taken from a Bkk Post article of Sept. 17

Royal Thai Police adviser Jarumporn Suramanee said on Wednesday that the DNA of 12 people had

been tested, including nine samples from Burmese migrant workers

Sept. 18

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/thailand-murders-agony-of-hannah-family-as-they-meet-local-police-9739829.html

Police today admitted that DNA samples did not match any of their suspects. Officers had previously said they had “strong evidence” linking six Burmese migrant workers to the deaths. They had also taken DNA from three other migrant workers and British brothers Christopher and James Ware, who are friends of Mr Miller.

Deduction: early in the investigation: nearly a dozen Burmese migrants had been tested - and all had been cleared. In their eagerness to put the blame for the crime on Burmese migrants, you'd expect Thai police to scrutinize the 3 Burmese migrants closest to the scene of the crime. Two of them are now prime suspects, the other is out. It would stand to reason that if those youngsters were cleared once (no DNA match with victims), they couldn't then be found to match later.

I had made a mistake earlier: I thought the B2 were indicted just after the replacement head cop was instated. Turns out the B2 were taken to the 'safe house' and forced to confess on or about Oct. 3rd, and the replacement head cop showed up on Oct. 11. Though the replacement may have been controlling the investigation before he physically showed up at the island.

greenchair, on 07 Mar 2015 - 23:43, said:greenchair, on 07 Mar 2015 - 23:43, said:

I am wondering if Emma also said hannah and david left together.

Or if it was only Tom and matt who say that. Did Emma stay behind at the bar with matt and Tom. The police later said hannah and david did not leave together.

Any thoughts?

To quote from my previous post about the comments Tom Wood made on social media on 3rd December 2014, he said:

"and then proceeded to another bar with them in which Hannah and David went their separate ways .... I assume to the beach."

How exactly should this be interpreted? Did they go separately to the beach, or together? Various reports have said that Hannah and David were seen at a beach party, presumably after the AC bar closed, but there has never been any mention that they were actually together.

It would be wonderful to know exactly what Tom Wood and Matt Barratt told the RTP about that night but I guess we will never know. I wonder if the British police have taken their statements along with those of the travelling companions of David and Hannah? They apparently took statements from witnesses living in Essex, Hampshire, Hertfordshire and Jersey.

Oh that's interesting.

How do you know they were witnesses in those areas and do you know who is the witness in each area.

I find it very hard to believe that there is not a single picture of them within spitting distance of each other.

She was not drunk.

I Don't think she would have left Emma alone with 2 guys to go off with David. No, there's something not right here.

On your other points rather than say wait for the trial, here's some thoughts for you:

David was a handsome young guy, clever (apparently spoke 4 languages) tall, a genuine nice guy according to his friends, someone who I would think many girls would be attracted to especially on holiday. There would be no need for Hannah to be drunk or not to have an attraction to David, I think thats irrelevant. There has been no indication that they were together but its not beyond the realms of possibility. Just because there's no photo of them together means nothing, we don't know what other cctv there is that we're not allowed to view, there's also no footage of the B2 going home.

Similarly it may also be possible that David was attracted to Hannah. They were on Koh Tao, what they thought to be a paradise island, a holiday fling would be acceptable in most peoples morals, or at least understandable.

Just my thoughts, may be completely off the mark!

greenchair, on 08 Mar 2015 - 07:22, said:

IslandLover, on 08 Mar 2015 - 04:13, said:

greenchair, on 07 Mar 2015 - 23:43, said:

greenchair, on 07 Mar 2015 - 23:43, said:greenchair, on 07 Mar 2015 - 23:43, said:

I am wondering if Emma also said hannah and david left together.

Or if it was only Tom and matt who say that. Did Emma stay behind at the bar with matt and Tom. The police later said hannah and david did not leave together.

Any thoughts?

To quote from my previous post about the comments Tom Wood made on social media on 3rd December 2014, he said:

"and then proceeded to another bar with them in which Hannah and David went their separate ways .... I assume to the beach."

How exactly should this be interpreted? Did they go separately to the beach, or together? Various reports have said that Hannah and David were seen at a beach party, presumably after the AC bar closed, but there has never been any mention that they were actually together.

It would be wonderful to know exactly what Tom Wood and Matt Barratt told the RTP about that night but I guess we will never know. I wonder if the British police have taken their statements along with those of the travelling companions of David and Hannah? They apparently took statements from witnesses living in Essex, Hampshire, Hertfordshire and Jersey.

Oh that's interesting.

How do you know they were witnesses in those areas and do you know who is the witness in each area.

I find it very hard to believe that there is not a single picture of them within spitting distance of each other.

She was not drunk.

I Don't think she would have left Emma alone with 2 guys to go off with David. No, there's something not right here.

The report about witnesses being interviewed by the British police comes from the Guardian newspaper:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/01/capital-punishment-concerns-hannah-witheridge-david-miller-murder-thailand

The FCO response said Hampshire, Essex, Hertfordshire and Jersey police had been asked by Thai police to interview Britons who were on Koh Tao with Witheridge and Miller.

We do not know which witnesses were interviewed where, but I presume Chris Ware was intereviwed in Jersey. Hannah had connections with Essex as she had attented Uni there, so some of those witnesses may have been her travelling companions. I do not know where Tom Wood or Matt Barratt live, or whether they were interviewed by the British police.

one Hannah Howell Day Hampshire. Emma Madelene (aka Connolly) and other Hannah Beswick is Essex and Herts. Jersey is Ware. Wood and Barratt originate from Manchester way but one is in Aus at the last available info

Names to faces so you are not confused with fuzzy pictures from Newspapers and CCTV

You can betcha bottom dollar.

If there was a single picture of Hannah walking with David.

Sitting next to David.

Or leaving a pub with David.

It would have been plastered all over the media months ago, just to shut us up.

Similarly, the best picture the rtp can come up with of the b2 is a picture on a motorbike, and in a minimart, many hours before the crime.

Not a single picture of them.

Leaving the crime scene.

Near the crime scene.

Going to the crime scene.

Nor a single piece of bloodied clothing.

I think there are 2 entrances to the beach. One led to the area where they played guitar with no video footage.

And one led to the area where hannah is found. Have video footage that is clearly neither of the b2.

There is nothing. There a reason for that.

Hannah was not snoggling with David.

The b2 were not at the crime scene.

Sept. 18, 2014

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-muder-burmese-migrants-cleared-after-dna-tests-burma-myanmar/44236, taken from a Bkk Post article of Sept. 17

Royal Thai Police adviser Jarumporn Suramanee said on Wednesday that the DNA of 12 people had

been tested, including nine samples from Burmese migrant workers

Sept. 18

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/thailand-murders-agony-of-hannah-family-as-they-meet-local-police-9739829.html

Police today admitted that DNA samples did not match any of their suspects. Officers had previously said they had “strong evidence” linking six Burmese migrant workers to the deaths. They had also taken DNA from three other migrant workers and British brothers Christopher and James Ware, who are friends of Mr Miller.

Deduction: early in the investigation: nearly a dozen Burmese migrants had been tested - and all had been cleared. In their eagerness to put the blame for the crime on Burmese migrants, you'd expect Thai police to scrutinize the 3 Burmese migrants closest to the scene of the crime. Two of them are now prime suspects, the other is out. It would stand to reason that if those youngsters were cleared once (no DNA match with victims), they couldn't then be found to match later.

I had made a mistake earlier: I thought the B2 were indicted just after the replacement head cop was instated. Turns out the B2 were taken to the 'safe house' and forced to confess on or about Oct. 3rd, and the replacement head cop showed up on Oct. 11. Though the replacement may have been controlling the investigation before he physically showed up at the island.

"It would stand to reason that if those youngsters were cleared once (no DNA match with victims), they couldn't then be found to match later."

No, it doesn't stand to reason, you are assuming they were among that initial group, for which you have only your wishful thinking as "evidence".