Ws93 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 How do I fill it out and which one shall I use? I'm entering with a certificate as proof as a Thai citizen from the Thai embassy yet I have no Thai id, house address etc. so should I just fill in the immigrant form? I will get this certificate the day I leave for Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWPattaya Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Do you mean the TM card that you are given on the plane? If you do then yes you have to complete it. Thai persons have to complete them when they leave Thailand and when they return. It should be completed in English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Do you have a passport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ws93 Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 I have British and I need to get my Thai passport, but I'm entering as a Thai national. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario2008 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 I doubt that will be enough, they will probably just stamp you in on the British passport. (But beware that the airline might not let you board without a visa or a ticket out within 30 days)!!. While you are in Thailand on your UK-passport you can get a 1 year extension of stay from immigration on show of the certificate (and maybe other proof of yur nationality. That gives you enough time to get a Thai ID-card and Thai passport. Once you have the Thai paspsort oyu leave on the UK-passport and re-enter Thailand on your Thai passport. You will need to do this by air, as at land borders swapping of passports is not allowed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ws93 Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) If thats the case, whats the point in issueing me a certificate to enter Thailand as a Thai national if i end up using a British passport anyway? I really need someone who has been in my position really to answer this. I'm not entering as some tourist or immigrant when I am Thai myself, well half. Edited November 20, 2014 by Ws93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Without a Thai passport number to put on the card you will have to use your UK one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 What exactly do you have? Do you have a certificate of identity that serves as a travel document. http://www.thaiembassyuk.org.uk/?q=node/18 If yes then you will be stamped in as a Thai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario2008 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 If thats the case, whats the point in issueing me a certificate to enter Thailand as a Thai national if i end up using a British passport anyway? I really need someone who has been in my position really to answer this. I'm not entering as some tourist or immigrant when I am Thai myself, well half. You can contact immigration and ask them directly. But it is probably as I suspect, the certificate will allow you to arrange things to get a Thai ID-card and Thai passport but not grant you entry. As it will enable you to get 1 year extensions of stay, it is probably only a minor set back. It also depends on what the certificate really is, a Thai birth certificate or an emergency travel document for instance (in which case it should have your Thai ID-number). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ws93 Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) What exactly do you have? Do you have a certificate of identity that serves as a travel document. http://www.thaiembassyuk.org.uk/?q=node/18 If yes then you will be stamped in as a Thai. This is what I suspect it is, shame its in Thai I rang up before about this and they said I can enter Thailand as a Thai national and stay just like a Thai national, however the document they said only lasts for 7 days and I need to enter before the 7 days end, once I enter, its discarded. However, I just started wondering about the ID number and the card you get when you arrive. Where does the ID number get created for you? I don't get one issued for me at the embassy? I have a Thai birth certificate when I wen to the Thai embassy with my mother and got registered. I have marriage documents of my mother and minor details on her father, all her Thai documents (ID card, old birth ceritifcate etc) Edited November 20, 2014 by Ws93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario2008 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 If you have a birth certificate you should be registered somewhere on a household book and have a Thai ID-number But strange you didn't get a Thai passport, maybe you are not yet registered somewhere on a household registration.? The arrvial card for you is different, in that you fill in the departure card instead of the arrival card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Google translate of title and first paragraph. "Letter identification (Certificate of Identity - CI).Certificate of Identity (Certificate of Identity-CI) as a temporary travel document. Issued to those who lost their passports. Or expired passport And must return to Thailand quickly. Can return to Thailand only. Valid for 10 days from date of issue. Embassy Therefore, evidence of flight, as evidenced by the establishment. " I suspect it is not what have since you did no loose a passport. You will get a Thai ID number when you register at an Amphoe to be listed in a house book and get a ID card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ws93 Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 I was born outside the kingdom to a Thai mother and Beitish father. Those born outside don't have an ID card or passport, the child needs to be registered at their Thai embassy of the respective country. With the Thai parents assistance. Thai passports are not issued here. Only those who already had one can get a renewed or e-passport. They stopped doing Thai passports for some strange reason. Same goes for Thai ID cards. I'm not registered under a house, my father wanted me born and raised here. In Rayong, I was told I needed a Thai birth certificate first to be registered and get a Thai ID card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ws93 Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 I'll ring up Today and ask what the document is called and see what I need to do. It's strange there is no information at all about Thais or half Thais born abroad and wish to enter Thailand but do not have a Thai passport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWPattaya Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 OP, you don't say how old you are. One of my neighbourd, Thai, born in Thailand went to live as a child in Zurich with his mother. He came back to Thailand as an adult last year. When he applied for a Thai ID number and card it was discovered that he had not attended the draft (as he was not in Thailand). He had to see the relevant army General to get clearance before he could get it all sorted. Perhaps something for you to enquire about before you arrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ws93 Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 I'm 21. What do you mean had to get clearance? The military will stop me the airport?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ws93 Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 I just rang them up. It is indeed a certificate of identification and it is also used for cases like mine. Nobody has been turned around etc. But now I might have a problem. I'm supposed to have a direct flight to Thailand because of this certificate, I stop at Vietnam for 2 hours. But since I'm not entering immigration and only waiting for 2 hours I should be fine, can anyone confirm this for me please? How should I do this? Use British passport to leave england, if needed use British passport to enter Vietnam and then use Thai certificate to enter Thailand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 I'm 21. What do you mean had to get clearance? The military will stop me the airport?? You will not be bothered until you get registered on a house book and have an ID card. The case mentioned in that post is a extreme rarity. I have never heard of that happening when you go to get registered. The military will not even know you exist until you register. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario2008 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Yes, you leave the UK on the British passport and enter Thailand on the certificate. Once in Thailand you need to apply for a Thai ID-card by registering at the address of a relative and than you can apply for a Thai passport. It means you will also need to register for the draft and could be called upon to serve if you actually go and live in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ws93 Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 My mother is Thai, I thought you always follow the Thai father? I can't get conscripted. I also can't speak Thai? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Since you will be traveling on your British passport until you arrive in Thailand you will not have a problem passing through Vietnam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario2008 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 You are Thai, thus can be called to serve. If you don't speak Thai you will be of limited use, but it is not an official reason to get out of the draft. Your chances are good to avoid, but not automatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ws93 Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 But I was told that because my father is not Thai, I won't get drafted? Thais always follow their fathers? So what happens then? If I'm "limited" of use, they shouldn't bother me really then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 But I was told that because my father is not Thai, I won't get drafted? Thais always follow their fathers? So what happens then? If I'm "limited" of use, they shouldn't bother me really then? I would think if you are not "Thai" enough to be drafted then you are simply not "Thai". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ws93 Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 I'm happy with that l really hope it goes as you guys say it goes, I don't want to be drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paz Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 I would think if you are not "Thai" enough to be drafted then you are simply not "Thai". Very wrong, for example one can be Thai and disabled, or filthy rich, and would not serve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampdonkey Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 My mother is Thai, I thought you always follow the Thai father? I can't get conscripted. I also can't speak Thai? You should be proud to serve your country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ws93 Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) It's the country of my ancestors. I was born and raised England. I have no desire to be a soldier, I'd rather contribute to the country via alternative means such as in the field of science. I would however would fight if there a was a true threat to Thailand and it's people. Then I would fight for my fellows Thais and family, even then I don't think the Thais would ever truly see me as Thai, despite my Thai ancestry and probably prevent me from helping through bias, racism etc. A fight in a civil war? Then no thank you, I'm not fighting other Thais just because they have a different view on what would be best for Thailand. Edited November 23, 2014 by Ws93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivas Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 I'm happy with that l really hope it goes as you guys say it goes, I don't want to be drafted. Then I would be avoiding Thailand until the possibility of that has expired.....( does it expire with age ?? ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ws93 Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share Posted November 23, 2014 I don't have a choice, I'm going with my mother to move over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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