AlQaholic Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 They never learn do they? In my observations (I may be wrong) Thai drivers do not hesitate to drink before driving at any time, be it holidays or just a short weekend at the beach. Observing from the number of accidents and causes, a very large part of accidents at any time in Thailand (not only during holidays) is caused by drunk driving, mostly by motorcycle drivers. Another part of the equation is the careless driving without any knowledge of basic traffic rules or common sense. So the increase in road accidents during the holidays is because the number of idiot drunk drivers are tremendously more than usual on the roads. I have not analyzed the statistics, but I am almost certain that the ratio between accidents and number of vehicles on the roads are basically the same as at any other time of the year, be it holiday or not. So to ban the sale of alcohol during the holidays will not have any effect on the number of accidents, same as banning the sale of alcohol between 11:00 and 14:00 every day is completely meaningless. I thought that Thailand already had a law against driving drunk, why not enforce that law instead of coming up with these @#$@#% ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKCoachHire Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 May i suggest that it is not the drinking of alcohol that is the problem, it is the driving home while drunk that causes the problem and road carnage that happens every year. As the majority of the Police force will be out partying themselves , getting drunk and driving home maybe they should make the entire Police force work instead checking the roads and stopping drunk drivers. More overtime for the Police , less accidents and big business for taxi,s who will reward the Police for the extra work, a win win situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartempion Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 If the goal is to avoid road killing, why not....enforce the law??? Rather than ban drinking, why not ban DRIVING ! Because he's the Public Health minister, drinking is his authority, not driving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlQaholic Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Ha.. Again what a bunch of skull heads. If they want to reduce road accidents, they should start investing more on safety roads, enforce the law, harsher laws for drinking and driving, make sure people " have obtained their driving license legitimately", and change the driving test so that it's hard to pass. In which, it will prevent no brainers being on roads I think I read somewhere they did make the driver tests much harder a while back (this year I think). The first day all drivers failed the test so they went back to the old test again I think, because I did not hear anything more about it after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yardrunner Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 If the goal is to avoid road killing, why not....enforce the law??? Could not agree with you more, Last Songkran in Khon Kaen a friend was driving and a drunk drove in to the back of him when stopped at traffic lights. Police who were standing near just laughed when the drunk driver staggered out of his pick up and then got back in and drove off weaving all over the road Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 What's the betting that despite this proposal, a counter proposal is adopted that allows bars to serve all night at New Year? Well they don't need a proposal for that they've been doing it for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomadJoe Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 IIRC, wasn't the original announcement a ban on drinking in public, and nothing to do with sales? It was unclear from the original poorly written article but that didn't stop several cock-sure TV posters from lambasting anyone who thought it covered sales and was not merely a ban on drinking in public. Turns out it's the exact opposite. It's a ban on sales but "there is nothing to stop" drinking in public with previously bought beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicowoodduck Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Geez, want a good idea....someone is thinking with their head......the one on their shoulders....?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razer Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 C'mon now ... There is a difference between drinking alcohol during a holiday season and drinking and driving. The latter requires law enforcement and harsh penalties to be imposed by the courts. Well, we all know how that goes. This makes headlines for Dr. Ratchata but I am not sure why he is doing this. Politics I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisinth Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> affect tourism ? so people come here for the excellent quality of thai beers & liquors ? not for the temples ? Better believe it................................ Should get out a bit more....................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 But it is also argued that the major cause of road mishaps that claimed high casualties during festive season is drunk driving. ...then there is that old argument about the police enforcing existing traffic laws, vehicle operation standards and a driver's license that can't be bought, then maybe (and I am going out on a limb here) just maybe there will be lower casualties rates through out the whole year...but that's just too much work, huh?...much easier to just ban the booze, yup! Alternatively just go to a police-owned club/pub, definitely no booze control 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrilla Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Where's Chalerm ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sead Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Well this is becoming the end of junta if this goes through 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 When you have already shot yourself in both feet what else is left ? Ah! an alcohol ban on new year,that will attract the tourists 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Boxclever post # 10 I think it's a good idea. Get's rid of all the undesirable drunks with one stroke of a pen. Imagine how many pimp bars would close down over night. Bring it on I say Ease off my good man.where are the Hi So's going to be able to congregate if their venues are closed.. What will happen to the good Mr Chalerm if alcohol sales are stopped? Anyone for a Red Bull hangover cure if of course Red Hull heir hair of the dog can be found? Beware the knock on the door in the middle of the night concerning your comments .Might be a Chalerm boy looking for some fun No, if he gets a knock on the door in the middle of the night it will probably be one of those "undesirable drunks". And is there such a thing as a "desirable drunk" ? I don't remember ever seeing a drunk and thinking "I desire you". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balance Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Fact check: The good Doctor is incorrect regarding laws and punishment for sellers of alcohol. Many states have laws that prohibit a bar owner or liquor store from selling to people that are drunk, and if they do and the person has an accident then that owner and bartender can go to prison and be fined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingstonkid Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I bet, even if they force the ban, it will not affect Pattaya. I wouldot say that tooloud. If the government bans it you can be sure the military will be policing it and Thai's do not want to mess with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Boxclever post # 10 I think it's a good idea. Get's rid of all the undesirable drunks with one stroke of a pen. Imagine how many pimp bars would close down over night. Bring it on I say Ease off my good man.where are the Hi So's going to be able to congregate if their venues are closed.. What will happen to the good Mr Chalerm if alcohol sales are stopped? Anyone for a Red Bull hangover cure if of course Red Hull heir hair of the dog can be found? Beware the knock on the door in the middle of the night concerning your comments .Might be a Chalerm boy looking for some fun No, if he gets a knock on the door in the middle of the night it will probably be one of those "undesirable drunks". And is there such a thing as a "desirable drunk" ? I don't remember ever seeing a drunk and thinking "I desire you". I do, can't remember her name now or the bar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kooweerup Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 it's all part of the plan to boost tourism. Shut down happy endings, prostitution and alcohol and tourism will go through the roof in Thailand. We will reach heaven with all these quality tourist flocking to us. This idiot P.M has absolutely no idea why Thai tourism is at the level it is at the moment. It is not the love for him or his junta but for the way it was before he started on his love me campaign. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizman Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 "But it is also argued that the major cause of road mishaps that claimed high casualties during festive season is drunk driving." There probably is some truth to this, but if the major intent is reducing casualties why not go all the way and ban motor vehicle use? All we would have then are drunks crashing into each other while stumbling down the street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamp Thing Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I have a proposal. This year, in Thailand, New Year is to be celebrated on 29/30 of January. The bars will be packed. Those who want to, can eat, drink and be merry. Beverages can be purchased the next day, from supermarkets etc, and stored. If anybody wants a hair-of-the-dog session, they can go to the bar the next night until midnight. On New Year proper, the stored beverages can be unleashed at home amongst friends and family. Everybody wins. Dr Killjoy has a successful proposal, the bars make their money and New Year becomes a three day celebration. (All without driving, of course). A similar thing could be done for Songkran. Shift the dates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabothai Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Too many accidents because people are irresponsible in traffic, may be dr. You ought to tell the police to do the job they are supposed to do. sale of alcohol has little or nothing to do with it. Besides do you want to be holyer than the pope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbar Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) the Public Health Minister, to come out and say that the proposal was just an idea to tackle the number of traffic fatalities as a result of drunk-driving Does the Public Health Minister REALLY believe that stopping the sale of alcohol will stop people drinking and driving? If he does, he is completely naive. Only the supermarkets, and some pubs/clubs would listen to this, if it was decided to go ahead. 95% of the other places would still serve, including all of the local mom + pop's shops.. they already sell ANY time of the day, and ANY day. How about increasing the punishment for drunk drivers, and then getting the punishments enforced?... Oh yeah.. the RTP are completely corrupt, so they would prefer to fine the driver themselves and keep the money. Nothing much will change in this country until the RTP are cleaned up, and accountability exists, which, at the rate they are currently going, will be somewhere around 2214. Good luck! Edited December 9, 2014 by Darbar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyesWideOpen Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Where's Chalerm ? Haha yes have not heard any of his moronic pronouncements lately. I sort of miss them. Either he is keeping a low profile hoping he is not caught up in the widening corruption cleanup, or he is being held in a prison cell....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsujin Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Usually these proposals are made to cover up something else going on behind the curtains. I wonder what that was this time .. Perhaps simply a message being sent to the various owners/distributors of alcoholic beverages here in Thailand ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwh Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 when it comes to lost profits at bars/restaurants why not to do like in the civilized civilization: you bring ur wine/beer/hard liquor and get charged "corking" fee. Detail to be set by the owners of the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonmarleesco Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 'Customers still can buy before the banned time goes into effect, and then take them out for drinking during the festive time ...' So the effect of such a ban would be ... what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectrumisgreen Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Usually these proposals are made to cover up something else going on behind the curtains. I wonder what that was this time .. ???... it's just another sound-bite to seem like something is being done about.. well, something (by someone who will have his own stash and /or easy availibity of said 'banned items' anyway!!).. Could be attempted to be actually enforced, of course, in which case that'll be, er, a government/ police enforced imposition passed to seem like something is being done about.. well, something... More than 'cover ups' - the 'Conspiracy Theorists' emerge, nodding from the shadows, again! - the merest suggestion towards something in Thailand is clearly too often regarded, especially by those dolts with the 'bright idea', as having achieved the thing itself.. a meeting about 'World Class Education' being 'proof' in itself that such aims are being achieved, for example.. in this case banning alcohol, or at least the suggestion of it, means the government WILL HAVE saved the lives of so many potential drink-drive victims.. bit of a magic wand scenario, really!!.. If so genuinely concerned about fellow citizens why not have the police spot-check cars and especially pick-up trucks full of 'revellers', especially over Songkran, and breathalyse a lot of drivers on the spot??? Okay, I'll answer my own question.. The police won't because they can't be arsed, and because they NEVER have been arsed, nobody but NOBODY will refrain from drinking and driving over the festive period should they be so inclined anyway, as per every other year!.. they (and I mean Thais in general) really don't even get that 'I'm alright to drive (hic!)' even if it were somehow true certainly doesn't mean that the guy coming towards you is and so this, coupled with 'what danger?.. what police?' means ANY sense of safety-first awareness is simply not about to become a nationwide mode of aware thinking.. (and 'Oh there goes my mobile, I'll just answer it whilst I ride my motorcycle one-handed at 80kmph'!!!)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kooweerup Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 when it comes to lost profits at bars/restaurants why not to do like in the civilized civilization: you bring ur wine/beer/hard liquor and get charged "corking" fee. Detail to be set by the owners of the area. Try having booze buses on major roads and satellite vehicles off them checking as many as possible for drug and drink driving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJack Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 i think its a good idea as my liver could do with a holiday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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