Koh Tao murder trial rescheduled

[JohnThailandJohn]

What is this -- I thought the defense was not allowed any time to prepare.

So sad people are so eager to support these alleged murdering rapist with only fantasy speculation as a reason while at the same time ignoring the fact the evidence released to date would indicate they are guilty unless of course you believe they had consensual sex or raped a dead person and took the other victims belongings.... oh wait, these are all lies supported by a vast conspiracy to protect some headsman son who wasn't on the island at the time and police have shown no fear of accusing initially as they did others.

Bunch of sickos with screwed up priorities --- this is not the case to make a stand against your dislike or distrust of the Thai police as there is ZERO evidence to suggest a cover-up or that any of the evidence against the two is fabricated ... unless you resort to fantasy speculation.

[AleG]

"The nine identical stab wounds (because that is what they clearly are beyond any doubt) on David"

Says who? You or one of your 100.000 imaginary pathologists?

Although the Brit coroner will try not to raise any hackles with Thai officials (who are fixated on framing the B2), the coroner will confirm what 99% of us have surmised as stab wounds (not hoe) on David. What will the Gang of 4 say to that? No problem, for them, they'll be able to slough it away with shrillness and diversion, as they've been doing thus far.

Where's 'conspiracy theorist' jdinasia or 'The Burmese are murderers and rapists' JTJ? Did they tire of having to defend the rich kid from 1,000 attacks from as many directions?

Why wouldn't the coroner not speak up? You are just covering your a$$ in case he says something you don't want to hear, then you would simply claim that he is lying to appease the Thai government.

Again, the only people insisting with the hoe are you and your fellow conspiracists, you have no idea what are the final results of the investigation but just cling on to earlier reports because it suits you to cherry-pick the bits and pieces that you can fit into your theories; you are not interested in the whole truth.

[JOC]

What is this -- I thought the defense was not allowed any time to prepare.

So sad people are so eager to support these alleged murdering rapist with only fantasy speculation as a reason while at the same time ignoring the fact the evidence released to date would indicate they are guilty unless of course you believe they had consensual sex or raped a dead person and took the other victims belongings.... oh wait, these are all lies supported by a vast conspiracy to protect some headsman son who wasn't on the island at the time and police have shown no fear of accusing initially as they did others.

Bunch of sickos with screwed up priorities --- this is not the case to make a stand against your dislike or distrust of the Thai police as there is ZERO evidence to suggest a cover-up or that any of the evidence against the two is fabricated ... unless you resort to fantasy speculation.

Same old record!!

You are a disgrace!!

[catweazle]

Aleg - you just try to ridicule my points including the ones that are proven facts using the superficial and obvious tricks that any briefed mainstream showmaster would use if a "difficult" guest enters the stage who wouldn't agree with what official sources say. These tricks are easy and simple - you often simply deflect away from the intitial subject and throw in irritating accusations that you - on the other hand - can't prove either. Then you ask questions about my forensic or criminal investigative background in a ridiculing way, hoping that you got a point there, but you don't - because 2 close friends of mine are active investigators with the BKA in Germany and have seen thousands of crime scenes. They took the time to look at this mess and the photos and information I gathered on the internet and came to the conclusions I pointed out. First loss for you in your superficial and carelessly constructed shill post.

You have no idea what the parents were briefed with, so right of the bat you start by making things up and vilifying the victim's families based on your own fantasies.

My own fantasies? See above! 2 - 0 for me, my clueless and blind friend!

If you would have invested the time to properly investigate the information given here point by point

"1) RTP allowing bystanders and prime suspects to trample about and invade the crime scene."

They didn't properly secure the crime scene, wow, maybe you are not just talking nonsense...

You making the biggest and most disastrous blunder in this investigation sound like an "oopsie" can't deflect the mature and clever reader from understanding that this simple mistake would render void any investigation in the rest of the so-called civil world, due to the fact that evidence could have been planted, tempered with, false leads be planted, etc. A photo shown of one of the prime suspects standing just a few inches away from one of the victims would have blown any case file in a court with an intelligent judge to pieces! This is not an "oopsie" my shallow-minded friend - it is a cluster-F performed by the RTP!!!

3 - 0 for me, pal!

"2) RTP completely ignoring tell-tale findings such as:

a) Shallow stab wounds at David's head and shoulder (concentrating on right hand side, implicating a left handed attacker of similar height)

b ) Bone fragment, tooth fragment, brain matter and blood splatter in a circular pattern on the rocks behind Hannah, implicating an execution style, close range gun shot to the forehead while she was seated, to later be covered up by smashing her head with the garden hoe.

c) No DNA samples taken from under Hannah's fingernails (correct me if I am wrong)

d) Blood on Sean's guitar and stab wounds on his arms similar to David's.

e) Mafia head's son (prime suspect) disappearing for over a week (allowing him ample time to let Hannah's scratch marks on torso and arms heal)."

Oops, I spoke to soon, you are talking nonsense.

a) Do you have any forensic pathology credentials to support your speculation based on pictures you saw on Internet? Who are you to make judgements on the nature of the wounds and how were they inflicted?

See above - still 3 - 0

Gunshot... really. Because of splatter pattern... you have no idea what you are talking about. Evidence for this nonsense besides your uneducated guesses?

BKA investigators are in agreement looking at the rocks behind Hannah, that such a splatter can't have been provided by blunt force to Hannah's face, but a projectile, AND certainly not from Hannah laying down on the ground while being beaten with the hoe!

4 - 0 !

c) You don't know, don't bank on it, arguments from ignorance are worthless.

DNA from under the fingernails wasn't taken, RTP investigators babbled out every single detail and the fingernail swabs were never mentioned. I however don't take a point here, as nobody can't be sure.

d) Again the armchair forensic pathologist determining nature of wounds based on some photo you saw...

A similarity can be claimed by a person with eyes to see and ears to hear. Questions by the RTP should have been asked and comparisons be made - they didn't!

5 - 0

e) What mafia? You just make a claim and ran with it, plus complete speculation over injuries in his body. The less said about ignoring that the man in question has been proven not to had been on the island the better, yes?

I have close friends who lived on Koh Tao - they have been threatened by them. The business of another person they know went up in flames after refusing to see to the mafia. The mafia exists on KT, it's a proven fact!

6 - 0

The man fled with a speedboat and booked a flight to BKK - there is evidence on CSI LA even showing his name on a flight list of a well known airway company on the morning after the murders!

7 - 0

"3) The RTP letting key witnesses and/or accessories to murder such as Sean McAnna and Christopher Alanvare walk."

After interrogating them and collecting samples, you'd like to keep them locked up for the duration of the trial to satisfy your self righteous outrage?

There are no sources that say, DNA or other samples were collected from them. Interrogations were of a few hours, while there were thousands of reasons to hold both of them for much longer to find out the truth. The RTP just wanted to get rid of them as most likely they were key witnesses and I believe that Sean has been attacked by one of them in the fight on the beach. Whereas the latter is specualtion, the samples and too short detention time are facts, it stands at 8 - 0

"4) The RTP letting gangsters threatening key witness and/or accessory to murder Sean McAnna walk."

The police also interrogated and collected samples from those "gansters"

Again, I find no mentioning of DNA samples from those gangsters - now you are speculating, my friend - 9 -0

"6) The RTP, together with a racist pancake vendor, torturing the Burmese suspects into confession."

They were not tortured into a confession, they claimed they were threatened with torture.

Wrong! They have been kicked and punched even after going down. The vendor did the most of the kicking and hitting. After that they were told to be now stuffed in rubber tyres and set afire. 10 - 0

"7) The RTP puppeteering the patsies around the murder scene while hundreds of witnesses could see that they were completely clueless about location of victims, which direction from they themselves were supposed to have attacked the victims, etc."

Puppeteering the patsies... of course, first make up a premise then derive conclusions from it, no wonder your conclusions agree with your preconceptions.

There is a photo out there where police and the accused are pointing in different directions, with all involved absolutely clueless. The videos show the same, PLUS, was no broken bottle (or plastic replacement) ever used in the reenactment when it came to how David was killed. 11 - 0

"8) The RTP ignoring witness statements that mafia bosse's son along with AC bar owner followed the victims after a brawl over one of them fondling and/or pestering Hannah."

What witnesses and how do you know they ignored them? You are just repeating rumors.

As far as I remember even the RTP mentioned those witnesses while announcing that they have solid proof that Nom Sod and the AC bar owner were the culprits in public. A few hours later, the story changed completely. 12 - 0

"9) The RTP announcing that David and Hannah were killed with the hoe despite the fact that the hoe carried only Hannah's DNA."

In their confession the Burmese men claimed they used a bottle to hit Miller, you are cherry-picking (mis)information that suits you.

Wrong again! You are making things up and discredit yourself beyond belief - you should perhaps start to read through the case from the very start as you obviously have just picked a few bits and pieces that suit your pro RTP bias. The pancake vendor told media that a bottle was used. No mention of any of the accused mentioning neither weapons used nor how the victims were killed apart from repeating what RTP told them to say and that was that David and Hannah were killed by the hoe what is wrong. Even the reenactment shows one of the accused standing with the hoe replacement over the person playing David. You are obviously not even looking at the photos - are you blind? 13 - 0, my friend!

"10) The RTP denying british investigators access to all of their findings."

No, they didn't deny access to all their findings, they gave them information when they came to observe the work done by the RTP, you don't know the extent and or relevance of the information they received, again, argument from ignorance.

There was a newspaper article in a leading British newspaper explaining in detail that a full two hours were provided to look into any findings, while essential information was witheld. The article has been deleted from the internet several days after it was published the very instant it was mentioned on CSI LA. 14 - 0

11) ...and the countless additional <deleted!> during the investigation...

Oh well, case closed then.

14 - 0, my superficial friend... You have nothing to show, you know nothing apart from your mainstream media brain wash information snippets and should go home! Take some time to look into the case in detail before trying to ridicule posts of people who have seen and researched every single photo and text snippet available about this case, and who are connected to BKA crime investigators who, themselves, state that this investigation is one of the worst failures they have seen in their entire active time at the police force!!! If you love the mafia bosses on Koh Tao and the corrupt RTP policemen there so much, why don't you move there permanently and become their Public Relations Advisor? The job would suit you very well, but I fear you would lose it again quickly, since you don't spend enough time on research to make your laughable statements rest on solid ground!

Edited December 28, 2014 by CharlieH

[maxme]

What is this -- I thought the defense was not allowed any time to prepare.

So sad people are so eager to support these alleged murdering rapist with only fantasy speculation as a reason while at the same time ignoring the fact the evidence released to date would indicate they are guilty unless of course you believe they had consensual sex or raped a dead person and took the other victims belongings.... oh wait, these are all lies supported by a vast conspiracy to protect some headsman son who wasn't on the island at the time and police have shown no fear of accusing initially as they did others.

Bunch of sickos with screwed up priorities --- this is not the case to make a stand against your dislike or distrust of the Thai police as there is ZERO evidence to suggest a cover-up or that any of the evidence against the two is fabricated ... unless you resort to fantasy speculation.

"Zero evidence to suggest a cover-up or that any of the evidence against the two is fabricated..."

And you know this how exactly?

[JOC]

What is this -- I thought the defense was not allowed any time to prepare.

So sad people are so eager to support these alleged murdering rapist with only fantasy speculation as a reason while at the same time ignoring the fact the evidence released to date would indicate they are guilty unless of course you believe they had consensual sex or raped a dead person and took the other victims belongings.... oh wait, these are all lies supported by a vast conspiracy to protect some headsman son who wasn't on the island at the time and police have shown no fear of accusing initially as they did others.

Bunch of sickos with screwed up priorities --- this is not the case to make a stand against your dislike or distrust of the Thai police as there is ZERO evidence to suggest a cover-up or that any of the evidence against the two is fabricated ... unless you resort to fantasy speculation.

Bunch of sickos with screwed up priorities

Schoolbook!! Run out of arguments and have to resort to name calling!!

The only real sickos around here are the RTP apologists, who steam ahead with closed eyes!!

Waters too muddy for diving today??

[aimbc]

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It was the same RTP (early days) that mentioned there must have been another murder weapon & it was the same RTP (early days) who said David must have fought with his attackers by looking at the wounds on his knuckles. (Just Google it)

if we look at the diagram from the FB page which was produced by looking at each stab wound, it would be more than insane to claim this was done by a hoe. I will repeat it for 9 months from now, a 100.000 pathologist will confirm these were stab wounds (most likely inflicted by a left-hander) and that will get the B2 off the hook (they are right-handed). To claim this was a bottle, may I ask where is the that bottle, and wouldn't it be safe to assume this bottle must have been broken during the fight? Where are the glasssplitters? They must be all over the place, yet nothing was found. It was a pancake vendor wannabe important fantasy.

About being Left-handed.........post 453 on Thaivisa: Police address criticisms over Koh Tao arrest of Myanmar suspects

Quote - Someone whispered the following (by CSI Bangkok University):

"Since this crime occurred, I've been following this page and I finally decided to ask one of my friends, who is a classmate of "Nom Sod", if he is left-handed. My friend said "yes" he is. My friend also told me he thinks "Nom Sod" was one of the killers, but I couldn't believe it at that time. I didn't expect the murderer could be a close friend of my friend. But anyway, the more I talk with my friend about this, the more I think "Nom Sod" was involved in that crime. The same friend told me that on September 15th, "Nom Sod" was absent from class, but was in class on the following day (the 16th). He said he also saw scratches on "Nom Sod's" neck and arms." - Unquote

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Ah, a friend of a friend of a guy that posted on the CSILA page, and they called me naive... alt=rolleyes.gif>

"I will repeat it for 9 months from now, a 100.000 pathologist will confirm these were stab wounds"

... and they called me insane... alt=rolleyes.gif>

I'll take the word of one single real pathologist, that examined the real wounds on the real body over your 100.000 imaginary pathologists that just happen to agree with you. Do you have one of those?

The nine identical stab wounds (because that is what they clearly are beyond any doubt) on David, of which 6 were at the right side of his head/neck/upper torso clearly is an indication of a left-hander nearly as tall as David, it is extremely unlikely it was a right-handed 1.50m Burmese jumping 30 cm in the air hitting David 6 times on the right upper side (see diagram).

Therefore the first RTP version was the correct one, it mentioned David fought with his attackers (his knuckles indicated this) and there was a second weapon involved.The second RTP version however mentions the hoe as the only weapon being used and that the B2 found David and Hannah in a position which aroused them so they hit him from behind. What utter crap!

The fact that you believe the RTP-2 report shows you have a hidden agenda, but that is old news, I am convinced the prosecutor will call the pathologist at the trial as a witness to confirm their utter crap, the problem with this, the defense will probably do the same and will call multiple experts confirming these are stab wounds. The UK coroner report will also surface soon and will very likely confirm the same, stab wounds by a 99.9% left-hander.

Did you know both Mon & Nomsod are both left-handers?

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"The nine identical stab wounds (because that is what they clearly are beyond any doubt) on David"

Says who? You or one of your 100.000 imaginary pathologists?

AliG god you are dull !...... take a look at the pictures Kid ! take an adult response from them ........ and accept that this was not the same weapon attack that split hannahs face open .......

It is great too see that many posters are able to think out of the box. RTP may have tried to pull a wool over everyone's eyes, but the truth will eventually prevail. Thank you for pointing out things like this makes a stronger statement that 2 Myanmar could not possibly have committed the murderer.

It's plain to see that the wounds were clean incisions not of a hoe. This image it's actually shown in a Thai investigation program and they even simulated a strike with a hoe. And no where near reproducing that type of wounds. So it is worth looking in to, as part of solving the crime. To which weapons was used.

Then we must ask, was the reenactment of the crime by the two suspects involved any other weapon other than the hoe? If it did not involve that, then how was the two able to murder the male victim. Maybe by reviewing this and many evidences. It will prove the two innocents. I think the rtp know they have a weak case. DNA and their earlier confessions are the only thing that they have to hang the two. Other than that, evidences from the crime scene say that the two were not the murderer. Nothing fits, accept the DNA, which can be manipulated as it was not handle properly and the force confession under threat, that is plain to see that the police are not even will too cooperate with human rights group. Really looking weak for the rtp. But logic hardly prevail in Thailand.

Some people refuse to open their mind and allow themselves to be blindly lead. A cult like characteristic, believing 100% of what is fed to them.

[timewilltell]

From the Guardian newspaper on 23rd December 2014:

"However, the Met’s legal services team wrote back to say the force did not hold any details of the case. Its letter to Reprieve said: “The Thai authorities permitted the UK police officers to have observer status only in relation to limited parts of the Royal Thai police’s investigation, and the UK police officers did not provide any advice or assistance with that investigation.

“They did not take possession of any physical evidence, forensic evidence, exhibits, interviews or statements. The Royal Thai police provided an interpreter who verbally translated documents that formed limited parts of the prosecution case.”"

So what did the Met's Officers do on Koh Tao? They seem very keen on telling us what they didn't do, without saying anything about what they did do. It might be worth noting that the victims' families made their statements, via the Foreign Office, after being briefed by the Met.

Well that is not net restaurant no. So the FCO press the families into a statement by both issued at the same time to basically say they had confidence in the police investigation and to allow the course of justice to take place having spoken to the Met and seen evidence that has not been publicly distributed. Then we hear from the Met that they have taken no evidence whatsoever and only had some, presumably police translator translate a few limited documents.

If this is really the case, and if anyone has had the experience of having a police translator translate your police report and then compared it with reality, you will come to realise that the Met have really done nothing other than provide an excuse for the UK government to say they did something in the face of huge media attention.

I think this is quite a likely scenario - a whitewash by all involved except that the Myanmar lot are none too happy about it.

As for the court, and I hold no favour whatsoever towards what goes for a Justice system here mainly because of the way it is illegally abused and manipulated by lawyers, it adjourned the case to allow for the Defence to prepare their case which involves trying to gather information and evidence which is very hard to do when there is no discovery. This is entirely correct. The fact they remain incarcerated is also entirely correct. The sickness and disgust is in the way the case has been mishandled by everyone involved and the fact that Thai courts regularly allow Thais out on bail for serious offences even when they have been convicted and lodge an appeal. This is the disgusting, racist, discrimination that goes on and it runs through every particle that makes up the Thai Justice system with the works turning a blind eye through their complicit Foreign Offices.

[AleG]

Aleg - you just try to ridicule my points including the ones that are proven facts using the superficial and obvious tricks that any briefed mainstream showmaster would use if a "difficult" guest enters the stage who wouldn't agree with what official sources say. These tricks are easy and simple - you often simply deflect away from the intitial subject and throw in irritating accusations that you - on the other hand - can't prove either. Then you ask questions about my forensic or criminal investigative background in a ridiculing way, hoping that you got a point there, but you don't - because 2 close friends of mine are active investigators with the BKA in Germany and have seen thousands of crime scenes. They took the time to look at this mess and the photos and information I gathered on the internet and came to the conclusions I pointed out. First loss for you in your superficial and carelessly constructed shill post.

You have no idea what the parents were briefed with, so right of the bat you start by making things up and vilifying the victim's families based on your own fantasies.

My own fantasies? See above! 2 - 0 for me, my clueless and blind friend!

If you would have invested the time to properly investigate the information given here point by point

"1) RTP allowing bystanders and prime suspects to trample about and invade the crime scene."

They didn't properly secure the crime scene, wow, maybe you are not just talking nonsense...

You making the biggest and most disastrous blunder in this investigation sound like an "oopsie" can't deflect the mature and clever reader from understanding that this simple mistake would render void any investigation in the rest of the so-called civil world, due to the fact that evidence could have been planted, tempered with, false leads be planted, etc. A photo shown of one of the prime suspects standing just a few inches away from one of the victims would have blown any case file in a court with an intelligent judge to pieces! This is not an "oopsie" my shallow-minded friend - it is a cluster-F performed by the RTP!!!

3 - 0 for me, pal!

"2) RTP completely ignoring tell-tale findings such as:

a) Shallow stab wounds at David's head and shoulder (concentrating on right hand side, implicating a left handed attacker of similar height)

b ) Bone fragment, tooth fragment, brain matter and blood splatter in a circular pattern on the rocks behind Hannah, implicating an execution style, close range gun shot to the forehead while she was seated, to later be covered up by smashing her head with the garden hoe.

c) No DNA samples taken from under Hannah's fingernails (correct me if I am wrong)

d) Blood on Sean's guitar and stab wounds on his arms similar to David's.

e) Mafia head's son (prime suspect) disappearing for over a week (allowing him ample time to let Hannah's scratch marks on torso and arms heal)."

Oops, I spoke to soon, you are talking nonsense.

a) Do you have any forensic pathology credentials to support your speculation based on pictures you saw on Internet? Who are you to make judgements on the nature of the wounds and how were they inflicted?

See above - still 3 - 0

Gunshot... really. Because of splatter pattern... you have no idea what you are talking about. Evidence for this nonsense besides your uneducated guesses?

BKA investigators are in agreement looking at the rocks behind Hannah, that such a splatter can't have been provided by blunt force to Hannah's face, but a projectile, AND certainly not from Hannah laying down on the ground while being beaten with the hoe!

4 - 0 !

c) You don't know, don't bank on it, arguments from ignorance are worthless.

DNA from under the fingernails wasn't taken, RTP investigators babbled out every single detail and the fingernail swabs were never mentioned. I however don't take a point here, as nobody can't be sure.

d) Again the armchair forensic pathologist determining nature of wounds based on some photo you saw...

A similarity can be claimed by a person with eyes to see and ears to hear. Questions by the RTP should have been asked and comparisons be made - they didn't!

5 - 0

e) What mafia? You just make a claim and ran with it, plus complete speculation over injuries in his body. The less said about ignoring that the man in question has been proven not to had been on the island the better, yes?

I have close friends who lived on Koh Tao - they have been threatened by them. The business of another person they know went up in flames after refusing to see to the mafia. The mafia exists on KT, it's a proven fact!

6 - 0

The man fled with a speedboat and booked a flight to BKK - there is evidence on CSI LA even showing his name on a flight list of a well known airway company on the morning after the murders!

7 - 0

"3) The RTP letting key witnesses and/or accessories to murder such as Sean McAnna and Christopher Alanvare walk."

After interrogating them and collecting samples, you'd like to keep them locked up for the duration of the trial to satisfy your self righteous outrage?

There are no sources that say, DNA or other samples were collected from them. Interrogations were of a few hours, while there were thousands of reasons to hold both of them for much longer to find out the truth. The RTP just wanted to get rid of them as most likely they were key witnesses and I believe that Sean has been attacked by one of them in the fight on the beach. Whereas the latter is specualtion, the samples and too short detention time are facts, it stands at 8 - 0

"4) The RTP letting gangsters threatening key witness and/or accessory to murder Sean McAnna walk."

The police also interrogated and collected samples from those "gansters"

Again, I find no mentioning of DNA samples from those gangsters - now you are speculating, my friend - 9 -0

"6) The RTP, together with a racist pancake vendor, torturing the Burmese suspects into confession."

They were not tortured into a confession, they claimed they were threatened with torture.

Wrong! They have been kicked and punched even after going down. The vendor did the most of the kicking and hitting. After that they were told to be now stuffed in rubber tyres and set afire. 10 - 0

"7) The RTP puppeteering the patsies around the murder scene while hundreds of witnesses could see that they were completely clueless about location of victims, which direction from they themselves were supposed to have attacked the victims, etc."

Puppeteering the patsies... of course, first make up a premise then derive conclusions from it, no wonder your conclusions agree with your preconceptions.

There is a photo out there where police and the accused are pointing in different directions, with all involved absolutely clueless. The videos show the same, PLUS, was no broken bottle (or plastic replacement) ever used in the reenactment when it came to how David was killed. 11 - 0

"8) The RTP ignoring witness statements that mafia bosse's son along with AC bar owner followed the victims after a brawl over one of them fondling and/or pestering Hannah."

What witnesses and how do you know they ignored them? You are just repeating rumors.

As far as I remember even the RTP mentioned those witnesses while announcing that they have solid proof that Nom Sod and the AC bar owner were the culprits in public. A few hours later, the story changed completely. 12 - 0

"9) The RTP announcing that David and Hannah were killed with the hoe despite the fact that the hoe carried only Hannah's DNA."

In their confession the Burmese men claimed they used a bottle to hit Miller, you are cherry-picking (mis)information that suits you.

Wrong again! You are making things up and discredit yourself beyond belief - you should perhaps start to read through the case from the very start as you obviously have just picked a few bits and pieces that suit your pro RTP bias. The pancake vendor told media that a bottle was used. No mention of any of the accused mentioning neither weapons used nor how the victims were killed apart from repeating what RTP told them to say and that was that David and Hannah were killed by the hoe what is wrong. Even the reenactment shows one of the accused standing with the hoe replacement over the person playing David. You are obviously not even looking at the photos - are you blind? 13 - 0, my friend!

"10) The RTP denying british investigators access to all of their findings."

No, they didn't deny access to all their findings, they gave them information when they came to observe the work done by the RTP, you don't know the extent and or relevance of the information they received, again, argument from ignorance.

There was a newspaper article in a leading British newspaper explaining in detail that a full two hours were provided to look into any findings, while essential information was witheld. The article has been deleted from the internet several days after it was published the very instant it was mentioned on CSI LA. 14 - 0

11) ...and the countless additional <deleted!> during the investigation...

Oh well, case closed then.

14 - 0, my superficial friend... You have nothing to show, you know nothing apart from your mainstream media brain wash information snippets and should go home! Take some time to look into the case in detail before trying to ridicule posts of people who have seen and researched every single photo and text snippet available about this case, and who are connected to BKA crime investigators who, themselves, state that this investigation is one of the worst failures they have seen in their entire active time at the police force!!! If you love the mafia bosses on Koh Tao and the corrupt RTP policemen there so much, why don't you move there permanently and become their Public Relations Advisor? The job would suit you very well, but I fear you would lose it again quickly, since you don't spend enough time on research to make your laughable statements rest on solid ground!

"there is evidence on CSI LA"

My eyes just glaze over with things like that, it's evident were you get your "facts" that site is nothing but a conspiracy theory inbreeding program. So pardon me if I don't place much credibility on the account of an obviously biased person that fed hand picked photos from a site with no credibility to some friends to ask for their opinion.

By the way, this is just completely, utterly and thoroughly debunked BS:

"There was a newspaper article in a leading British newspaper explaining in detail that a full two hours were provided to look into any findings"

Let me guess, you got that from CSILA, didn't you?

[boomerangutang]

Hey Boomer you wrote http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/773084-dna-results-from-ko-tao-village-heads-son-dont-match-traces-on-slain-british-tourists/page-92#entry8739063

I have my own moral code, and it supersedes a country's code of laws. If I see blatant injustice, I will know it's wrong, and hope I have the courage to speak out against it. I guess the Koh Samui Court judge doesn't .

If I say I'm purple, it doesn't imply everyone else isn't purple. I don't yet have an opinion on the judge. Do you?

....there is ZERO evidence to suggest a cover-up or that any of the evidence against the two is fabricated ... unless you resort to fantasy speculation.

Here is some of that 'ZERO evidence':

>>> CCTV showing a young skinny man who looks very much like Nomsod - acting v. suspicious at time of crime.

>>> Obviously tampered-with CCTV purportedly offering an alibi for him not being there then, even tho his own dad corroborated that he was on the island that night.

>>> Nomdod evading police for a week, even tho he and everyone else knew he was wanted.

>>> Nomsod refusing to submit for a DNA test until weeks later, when everyone involved knew beforehand, the results wouldn't match (fancy that!)

>>> cops planted phone in B2's back yard. First claim (of it being Hannah's phone) was proven wrong. Follow-up claim (David's phone) was also proven wrong. RTP can't even plant false evidence well.

>>> Nomsod's g.f. claiming she couldn't find him in Bkk on that weekend, even tho they're nearly always together.

>>> Nomsod's haircut, right after the crimes, which show his sideburns turning toward his ears, instead of forward, as shown in the video. It also shows less hair than the hairy guy in the video.

....that's a start, of the list of 'ZERO evidence'.

Why wouldn't the coroner not speak up? You are just covering your <deleted> in case he says something you don't want to hear, then you would simply claim that he is lying to appease the Thai government.

Again, the only people insisting with the hoe are you and your fellow conspiracists, you have no idea what are the final results of the investigation but just cling on to earlier reports because it suits you to cherry-pick the bits and pieces that you can fit into your theories; you are not interested in the whole truth.

I'm not saying the Brit coroner won't speak up (although he has that prerogative: if he chooses to have the findings private, and shown only to authorities and victims' families, he can legally do so). You misread my gist by a country mile. I will give credence to the British coroner's findings. If he says the B2's DNA was found in Hannah, then it will be a major step towards finding guilt for B2 involvement in the crime. In contrast, I don't give credence to the DNA trail contrived by Thai officials. Ms Porntip would concur with me on that, as would 98% of posters on this thread.

In stark contrast, the Gang of 4 won't give any credence to any evidence which points to any of the Headman's people. I'm open-minded, they're not.

[AleG]

Hey Boomer you wrote http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/773084-dna-results-from-ko-tao-village-heads-son-dont-match-traces-on-slain-british-tourists/page-92#entry8739063

I have my own moral code, and it supersedes a country's code of laws. If I see blatant injustice, I will know it's wrong, and hope I have the courage to speak out against it. I guess the Koh Samui Court judge doesn't .

If I say I'm purple, it doesn't imply everyone else isn't purple. I don't yet have an opinion on the judge. Do you?

....there is ZERO evidence to suggest a cover-up or that any of the evidence against the two is fabricated ... unless you resort to fantasy speculation.

Here is some of that 'ZERO evidence':

>>> CCTV showing a young skinny man who looks very much like Nomsod - acting v. suspicious at time of crime.

>>> Obviously tampered-with CCTV purportedly offering an alibi for him not being there then, even tho his own dad corroborated that he was on the island that night.

>>> Nomdod evading police for a week, even tho he and everyone else knew he was wanted.

>>> Nomsod refusing to submit for a DNA test until weeks later, when everyone involved knew beforehand, the results wouldn't match (fancy that!)

>>> cops planted phone in B2's back yard. First claim (of it being Hannah's phone) was proven wrong. Follow-up claim (David's phone) was also proven wrong. RTP can't even plant false evidence well.

>>> Nomsod's g.f. claiming she couldn't find him in Bkk on that weekend, even tho they're nearly always together.

>>> Nomsod's haircut, right after the crimes, which show his sideburns turning toward his ears, instead of forward, as shown in the video. It also shows less hair than the hairy guy in the video.

....that's a start, of the list of 'ZERO evidence'.

Why wouldn't the coroner not speak up? You are just covering your <deleted> in case he says something you don't want to hear, then you would simply claim that he is lying to appease the Thai government.

Again, the only people insisting with the hoe are you and your fellow conspiracists, you have no idea what are the final results of the investigation but just cling on to earlier reports because it suits you to cherry-pick the bits and pieces that you can fit into your theories; you are not interested in the whole truth.

I'm not saying the Brit coroner won't speak up (although he has that prerogative: if he chooses to have the findings private, and shown only to authorities and victims' families, he can legally do so). You misread my gist by a country mile. I will give credence to the British coroner's findings. If he says the B2's DNA was found in Hannah, then it will be a major step towards finding guilt for B2 involvement in the crime. In contrast, I don't give credence to the DNA trail contrived by Thai officials. Ms Porntip would concur with me on that, as would 98% of posters on this thread.

In stark contrast, the Gang of 4 won't give any credence to any evidence which points to any of the Headman's people. I'm open-minded, they're not.

It's indeed a list with zero evidence in it.

I particularly like the hair is not the same therefore they must be the same person nonsense.

I'm going to go out on a limb, and say that if the coroner's findings don't match what you want to believe you'll find some excuse or rationalization to stick with your beliefs; after all, previous beheaviour is the best indicator of future beheaviour, as clearly demonstrated in your post regarding the CCTV footage "Obviously tampered-with CCTV" Why is it tampered? Because if it wasn't you would have to admit to yourself that your beliefs are wrong, therefore, denial.

[boomerangutang]

It's indeed a list with zero evidence in it.

I particularly like the hair is not the same therefore they must be the same person nonsense.

I'm going to go out on a limb, and say that if the coroner's findings don't match what you want to believe you'll find some excuse or rationalization to stick with your beliefs; after all, previous beheaviour is the best indicator of future beheaviour, as clearly demonstrated in your post regarding the CCTV footage "Obviously tampered-with CCTV" Why is it tampered? Because if it wasn't you would have to admit to yourself that your beliefs are wrong, therefore, denial.

Go out on a limb all you want, but know that the further you go out, the more likely the limb will break, and you'll fall down and break your crown (of your head).

You take a quote from me, turn it around 180 degrees, and then cast aspersions on me about it. Jeezo dude, you must really be desperate to make a point.

I can always tell what perturbs the Headman's shielders the most, because that's what they latch on to. With jdinasia, one of the things that bothered him, was the mention of Ms Porntip (Thailand's foremost forensic scientist). He couldn't counter her opinion that the DNA trail was botched, so he tried attacking her on some decision she made over a year ago on something which wasn't her expertise.

It's plain, AleG is bothered by the mention of Nomsod's hair and subsequent haircut - right after the crime, in order (for Nomsod) to distance himself from the images in the KT CCTV, the night of the crime. Sorry to bother you with that revelation. Perhaps you can ask the cops why they didn't think (or bother) to find Nomsod's barber (or maybe his g.f. did the haircut) to ask about that. Of course, if a cop was asked, he'd wax indignant and say something like "Who are you? Are you such an important person, you can suggest to us how to investigate a crime in our own country? We don't need to talk to a silly barber about a haircut. What a ridiculous suggestion. We have more important clues to pursue, such as which pretty girls were wearing bikinis at Ko Tao in the week leading up to the crime."

Edited December 28, 2014 by boomerangutang

[JLCrab]

Hey Boomer you wrote http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/773084-dna-results-from-ko-tao-village-heads-son-dont-match-traces-on-slain-british-tourists/page-92#entry8739063

I have my own moral code, and it supersedes a country's code of laws. If I see blatant injustice, I will know it's wrong, and hope I have the courage to speak out against it.

I guess the Koh Samui Court judge doesn't .

If I say I'm purple, it doesn't imply everyone else isn't purple. I don't yet have an opinion on the judge. Do you?

<big snip>

Yes -- he didn't throw out the case.

Edited December 28, 2014 by JLCrab

[catweazle]

Now hyou have a point and I hope you are happy with it - still can't deflect from the fact that you have nothing to show. While ridiculing other people's findings, you on the other hand do not posess any veidence nor expertise to back the "official" story.

[007cableguy]

What is this -- I thought the defense was not allowed any time to prepare.

So sad people are so eager to support these alleged murdering rapist with only fantasy speculation as a reason while at the same time ignoring the fact the evidence released to date would indicate they are guilty unless of course you believe they had consensual sex or raped a dead person and took the other victims belongings.... oh wait, these are all lies supported by a vast conspiracy to protect some headsman son who wasn't on the island at the time and police have shown no fear of accusing initially as they did others.

Bunch of sickos with screwed up priorities --- this is not the case to make a stand against your dislike or distrust of the Thai police as there is ZERO evidence to suggest a cover-up or that any of the evidence against the two is fabricated ... unless you resort to fantasy speculation.

Time to change your Meds me thinks!

[boomerangutang]

Hey Boomer you wrote http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/773084-dna-results-from-ko-tao-village-heads-son-dont-match-traces-on-slain-british-tourists/page-92#entry8739063

I have my own moral code, and it supersedes a country's code of laws. If I see blatant injustice, I will know it's wrong, and hope I have the courage to speak out against it.

I guess the Koh Samui Court judge doesn't .

If I say I'm purple, it doesn't imply everyone else isn't purple. I don't yet have an opinion on the judge. Do you?

<big snip>

Yes -- he didn't throw out the case.

Mr. Crab, I'm going to have to take issue with the text you attributed to me. It looks as though the last sentence' "I guess the Koh Samui Court judge doesn't " is attributed to me. I didn't write that sentence, you did. If you want to add a comment to something I wrote, please put my words in quotation marks, to differentiate them from whatever you may write in addition. Thanks. Ok, I notice the indentation, but that may not indicate a clear differentation to readers.

Again, I don't have an opinion, at this time, about the Thai judge(s). I hope they're fair and impartial/objective, but won't know much until the trial begins.

[AleG]

It's indeed a list with zero evidence in it.

I particularly like the hair is not the same therefore they must be the same person nonsense.

I'm going to go out on a limb, and say that if the coroner's findings don't match what you want to believe you'll find some excuse or rationalization to stick with your beliefs; after all, previous beheaviour is the best indicator of future beheaviour, as clearly demonstrated in your post regarding the CCTV footage "Obviously tampered-with CCTV" Why is it tampered? Because if it wasn't you would have to admit to yourself that your beliefs are wrong, therefore, denial.

Go out on a limb all you want, but know that the further you go out, the more likely the limb will break, and you'll fall down and break your crown (of your head).

You take a quote from me, turn it around 180 degrees, and then cast aspersions on me about it. Jeezo dude, you must really be desperate to make a point.

I can always tell what perturbs the Headman's shielders the most, because that's what they latch on to. With jdinasia, one of the things that bothered him, was the mention of Ms Porntip (Thailand's foremost forensic scientist). He couldn't counter her opinion that the DNA trail was botched, so he tried attacking her on some decision she made over a year ago on something which wasn't her expertise.

It's plain, AleG is bothered by the mention of Nomsod's hair and subsequent haircut - right after the crime, in order (for Nomsod) to distance himself from the images in the KT CCTV, the night of the crime. Sorry to bother you with that revelation. Perhaps you can ask the cops why they didn't think (or bother) to find Nomsod's barber (or maybe his g.f. did the haircut) to ask about that. Of course, if a cop was asked, he'd wax indignant and say something like "Who are you? Are you such an important person, you can suggest to us how to investigate a crime in our own country? We don't need to talk to a silly barber about a haircut. What a ridiculous suggestion. We have more important clues to pursue, such as which pretty girls were wearing bikinis at Ko Tao in the week leading up to the crime."

You keep making things up, for example: "With jdinasia, one of the things that bothered him, was the mention of Ms Porntip (Thailand's foremost forensic scientist). He couldn't counter her opinion that the DNA trail was botched"

I'm sure I asked you before to provide a citation for that before, you didn't because you can't, you made that up. Same as with your make believe Nomsod scenario, you have to tell stories to yourself to hang on to your beliefs.

[AleG]

Now hyou have a point and I hope you are happy with it - still can't deflect from the fact that you have nothing to show. While ridiculing other people's findings, you on the other hand do not posess any veidence nor expertise to back the "official" story.

You know what is the difference between you and me? I don't engage on speculation based on rumors, misiformation and lack of facts, in particular I don't use the flawed conclusions from that speculation to vilify the grieving families of the victims; oh yes, you did vilify them, you clearly implied they are going along with a cover-up just to get closure.

JOC - no need to feel sorry for parents who claim they are satisfied with the police work performed during the investigation just for the sake of getting closure, ridden out on the back of innocent patsies. Ever since reading that statement I have no respect and no sympathy for them anymore, sorry!

...

That is utterly reprehensible, but I think you are too busy working up your self righteous indignation to notice.

[JLCrab]

Hey Boomer you wrote http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/773084-dna-results-from-ko-tao-village-heads-son-dont-match-traces-on-slain-british-tourists/page-92#entry8739063

I have my own moral code, and it supersedes a country's code of laws. If I see blatant injustice, I will know it's wrong, and hope I have the courage to speak out against it.

I guess the Koh Samui Court judge doesn't .

If I say I'm purple, it doesn't imply everyone else isn't purple. I don't yet have an opinion on the judge. Do you?

<big snip>

Yes -- he didn't throw out the case.

Mr. Crab, I'm going to have to take issue with the text you attributed to me. It looks as though the last sentence' "I guess the Koh Samui Court judge doesn't " is attributed to me. I didn't write that sentence, you did. If you want to add a comment to something I wrote, please put my words in quotation marks, to differentiate them from whatever you may write in addition. Thanks. Ok, I notice the indentation, but that may not indicate a clear differentation to readers.

Again, I don't have an opinion, at this time, about the Thai judge(s). I hope they're fair and impartial/objective, but won't know much until the trial begins.

Well maybe not about the Thai judges but you sure have an opinion about a whole lot else including your "own moral code".

I believe based upon Thai Criminal Procedure that the Court did have the power to dismiss all charges against the 2 accused based upon 'ungroundness' of the charges ... but he chose not to do so.

Edited December 28, 2014 by JLCrab

[greenchair]

Hey Boomer you wrote http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/773084-dna-results-from-ko-tao-village-heads-son-dont-match-traces-on-slain-british-tourists/page-92#entry8739063

I have my own moral code, and it supersedes a country's code of laws. If I see blatant injustice, I will know it's wrong, and hope I have the courage to speak out against it.

I guess the Koh Samui Court judge doesn't .

If I say I'm purple, it doesn't imply everyone else isn't purple. I don't yet have an opinion on the judge. Do you?

<big snip>

Yes -- he didn't throw out the case.

Mr. Crab, I'm going to have to take issue with the text you attributed to me. It looks as though the last sentence' "I guess the Koh Samui Court judge doesn't " is attributed to me. I didn't write that sentence, you did. If you want to add a comment to something I wrote, please put my words in quotation marks, to differentiate them from whatever you may write in addition. Thanks. Ok, I notice the indentation, but that may not indicate a clear differentation to readers.

Again, I don't have an opinion, at this time, about the Thai judge(s). I hope they're fair and impartial/objective, but won't know much until the trial begins.

Well maybe not about the Thai judges but you sure have an opinion about a whole lot else including your "own moral code".

Are you two not on the same side. United we stand and all that stuff. Focus on topic please. ☺

[JLCrab]

Forgetting the nested quotes and quotes of quotes of quotes, I am on the side that I don't know who committed these crimes and I'm not willing to say at this juncture that the 2 accused are not in fact guilty as charged -- stranger things have happened.

[BritTim]

Why wouldn't the coroner not speak up? You are just covering your <deleted> in case he says something you don't want to hear, then you would simply claim that he is lying to appease the Thai government.

Again, the only people insisting with the hoe are you and your fellow conspiracists, you have no idea what are the final results of the investigation but just cling on to earlier reports because it suits you to cherry-pick the bits and pieces that you can fit into your theories; you are not interested in the whole truth.

you have no idea what are the final results of the investigation

With respect to the murders, I doubt the RTP have yet decided on their eventual story (that will depend on what they can persuade witnesses to say, and information that becomes public that they must work around). As we have seen, anything they have said in the past (and now) can safely be ignored as their final statements in July will be without question the complete truth.

Their investigation to date has been extremely thorough, has it not? Take the charge that Zaw Lin entered Thailand illegally. It is unreasonable and unnecessary that they would have checked his passport or the immigration computers at some stage in the last few months to check his status. The fact that he was being extorted to pay monthly bribes to the RTP on the island, like the other guest workers, was sufficient evidence that he was not legal, and any documentary evidence to the contrary should be ignored.

[Globeman]

I believe this is an effort to have people watching this circus lose interest.

That wouldn't really make sense. The defense requested the postponement. It is in the defense's interest to have the public remain fascinated with the case - but better to risk losing that than go in unprepared. If they are any good at their jobs (and word is that it is a strong defense team), they will get the public stoked up again when the trial comes around.

Would be interesting to hear from the defense-team, how long postponement they requested.

Surely not 8 months!!

RTP>Prosecutor>Judge, they are all on the same team!!

A fair trail is sadly an illusion.

Fair trials do happen here on occasion - most often in the civil and labour courts, but one of the reasons just about everyone who walks into a courtroom gets convicted is that they usually have really bad defense - because they can't afford it, and state appointed defense usually has a huge caseload and/or doesn't give a damn. No matter how much the judge might believe the guy to be innocent, the defendant has to make a case and counter the prosecution - especially difficult if there is fabricated or dubious evidence.

[catweazle]

Now hyou have a point and I hope you are happy with it - still can't deflect from the fact that you have nothing to show. While ridiculing other people's findings, you on the other hand do not posess any veidence nor expertise to back the "official" story.

You know what is the difference between you and me? I don't engage on speculation based on rumors, misiformation and lack of facts, in particular I don't use the flawed conclusions from that speculation to vilify the grieving families of the victims; oh yes, you did vilify them, you clearly implied they are going along with a cover-up just to get closure.

JOC - no need to feel sorry for parents who claim they are satisfied with the police work performed during the investigation just for the sake of getting closure, ridden out on the back of innocent patsies. Ever since reading that statement I have no respect and no sympathy for them anymore, sorry!

...

That is utterly reprehensible, but I think you are too busy working up your self righteous indignation to notice.

The difference between you and me is that I choose to think outside the box and that I am able open my eyes and ears to facts that the RTP would love to keep hidden, but couldn't. With your arrogant stance in combination with your biased tunnel vision, you will achive nothing but make yourself the target for the countless TV members who are able to think for themselves and who won't simply swallow every lie mainstream media feeds them. I say it again - you have absolutely NOTHING provided so far to disprove any of the findings that I, CSI LA, or the many other TV members who fight for the truth in this case, have posted. All you can do is to troddle along repeating the BS that the corrupt RTP is trying to feed the unaware public. Bottom feeding this is called as far as I remember...

[JohnThailandJohn]

....there is ZERO evidence to suggest a cover-up or that any of the evidence against the two is fabricated ... unless you resort to fantasy speculation.

Here is some of that 'ZERO evidence':

>>> CCTV showing a young skinny man who looks very much like Nomsod - acting v. suspicious at time of crime.

>>> Obviously tampered-with CCTV purportedly offering an alibi for him not being there then, even tho his own dad corroborated that he was on the island that night.

>>> Nomdod evading police for a week, even tho he and everyone else knew he was wanted.

>>> Nomsod refusing to submit for a DNA test until weeks later, when everyone involved knew beforehand, the results wouldn't match (fancy that!)

>>> cops planted phone in B2's back yard. First claim (of it being Hannah's phone) was proven wrong. Follow-up claim (David's phone) was also proven wrong. RTP can't even plant false evidence well.

>>> Nomsod's g.f. claiming she couldn't find him in Bkk on that weekend, even tho they're nearly always together.

>>> Nomsod's haircut, right after the crimes, which show his sideburns turning toward his ears, instead of forward, as shown in the video. It also shows less hair than the hairy guy in the video.

....that's a start, of the list of 'ZERO evidence'.

LMAO. a skinny asian on a video -- must be him... Brilliant.

Never evaded police - he was not on the island, and police confirmed this.

NEVER asked for DNA samples but did volunteer to provide and provided it to 4 Labs (do you think he DNA changed?) Police made very clear he was not asked to provide the DNA and that he was no longer a suspect but he provided to try to quiet the conpiracy nuts online.

You're living in outdated fantasy land with the phone conspiracy.

Again police confirmed and verified he was in Bangkok at the time.

Oh for God's sake please stop... do you realize how bizzare and desperate you sound in trying to avoid reality and the obvious.

[JOC]

....there is ZERO evidence to suggest a cover-up or that any of the evidence against the two is fabricated ... unless you resort to fantasy speculation.

Here is some of that 'ZERO evidence':

>>> CCTV showing a young skinny man who looks very much like Nomsod - acting v. suspicious at time of crime.

>>> Obviously tampered-with CCTV purportedly offering an alibi for him not being there then, even tho his own dad corroborated that he was on the island that night.

>>> Nomdod evading police for a week, even tho he and everyone else knew he was wanted.

>>> Nomsod refusing to submit for a DNA test until weeks later, when everyone involved knew beforehand, the results wouldn't match (fancy that!)

>>> cops planted phone in B2's back yard. First claim (of it being Hannah's phone) was proven wrong. Follow-up claim (David's phone) was also proven wrong. RTP can't even plant false evidence well.

>>> Nomsod's g.f. claiming she couldn't find him in Bkk on that weekend, even tho they're nearly always together.

>>> Nomsod's haircut, right after the crimes, which show his sideburns turning toward his ears, instead of forward, as shown in the video. It also shows less hair than the hairy guy in the video.

....that's a start, of the list of 'ZERO evidence'.

LMAO. a skinny asian on a video -- must be him... Brilliant.

Never evaded police - he was not on the island, and police confirmed this.

NEVER asked for DNA samples but did volunteer to provide and provided it to 4 Labs (do you think he DNA changed?) Police made very clear he was not asked to provide the DNA and that he was no longer a suspect but he provided to try to quiet the conpiracy nuts online.

You're living in outdated fantasy land with the phone conspiracy.

Again police confirmed and verified he was in Bangkok at the time.

Oh for God's sake please stop... do you realize how bizzare and desperate you sound in trying to avoid reality and the obvious.

Who is avoiding realty??

In your post: "police made very clear" & "police confirmed" & "police verified"

So all your "evidence" and knowledge is based on police statements??

Never considered the RTP is lying to cover their sorry backsides and protect someone high in the food chain??

The real conspiracy theorists here are the RTP apologists, who blindly accepts whatever garbage the police throws at them, and believe it is the gospel!!

Time for a reality check!!

[BritTim]

LMAO. a skinny asian on a video -- must be him... Brilliant.

Never evaded police - he was not on the island, and police confirmed this.

NEVER asked for DNA samples but did volunteer to provide and provided it to 4 Labs (do you think he DNA changed?) Police made very clear he was not asked to provide the DNA and that he was no longer a suspect but he provided to try to quiet the conpiracy nuts online.

You're living in outdated fantasy land with the phone conspiracy.

Again police confirmed and verified he was in Bangkok at the time.

Oh for God's sake please stop... do you realize how bizzare and desperate you sound in trying to avoid reality and the obvious.

There is nothing wrong with your post if you are willing to blindly accept everything the RTP state as being the gospel truth. Although you believe the RTP to be beyond reproach, and earlier conflicting statements to be misquotes or taken out if context, let us just suppose that the RTP's statements might be treated with skepticism. This is how we must adjust your post.

Allegedly never evaded police - claimed he was not on the island, and police claimed they confirmed this

[No doubt as conclusively as they confirmed that Zaw Lin had entered Thailand illegally.]

Allegedly never asked for DNA samples, but did volunteer to provide and provided it to 4 labs (do you think the DNA changed? [no, but he might have been assured that it would not be compared with anything meaningful]) Police made very clear that he was not asked to provide the DNA and was no longer being investigated by the police as a suspect but he provided it to [counter the legitimate doubts expressed, or] quiet the conspiracy nuts online.

If the contradictory police stories are to be believed you're living in outdated fantasy with the phone conspiracy.

Again, police claimed to have confirmed and verified he was in Bangkok at the time.

Oh, for God's sake please stop ... do you realize how bizarre and desperate you sound if the latest police version of events are to be uncritically accepted as fact in trying to avoid reality and the obvious.

I think a little skepticism makes a big difference.

[berybert]

Nomsod was a suspect. Nomsod avoided the police for a week. Nomsod wasnt a suspct.

So what did he do during that week to convince the police it wasnt him ?

Seems he didnt talk to them or give them any evidence during his week away to clear himself. So just why did he go from being number 1 to not being a suspect at all ?

Normal policing requires some evidence it wasnt you, not just disapearing for a while.

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[balo]

Hey Boomer you wrote http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/773084-dna-results-from-ko-tao-village-heads-son-dont-match-traces-on-slain-british-tourists/page-92#entry8739063

I have my own moral code, and it supersedes a country's code of laws. If I see blatant injustice, I will know it's wrong, and hope I have the courage to speak out against it. I guess the Koh Samui Court judge doesn't .

If I say I'm purple, it doesn't imply everyone else isn't purple. I don't yet have an opinion on the judge. Do you?

....there is ZERO evidence to suggest a cover-up or that any of the evidence against the two is fabricated ... unless you resort to fantasy speculation.

Here is some of that 'ZERO evidence':

>>> CCTV showing a young skinny man who looks very much like Nomsod - acting v. suspicious at time of crime.

>>> Obviously tampered-with CCTV purportedly offering an alibi for him not being there then, even tho his own dad corroborated that he was on the island that night.

>>> Nomdod evading police for a week, even tho he and everyone else knew he was wanted.

>>> Nomsod refusing to submit for a DNA test until weeks later, when everyone involved knew beforehand, the results wouldn't match (fancy that!)

>>> cops planted phone in B2's back yard. First claim (of it being Hannah's phone) was proven wrong. Follow-up claim (David's phone) was also proven wrong. RTP can't even plant false evidence well.

>>> Nomsod's g.f. claiming she couldn't find him in Bkk on that weekend, even tho they're nearly always together.

>>> Nomsod's haircut, right after the crimes, which show his sideburns turning toward his ears, instead of forward, as shown in the video. It also shows less hair than the hairy guy in the video.

....that's a start, of the list of 'ZERO evidence'.

Why wouldn't the coroner not speak up? You are just covering your <deleted> in case he says something you don't want to hear, then you would simply claim that he is lying to appease the Thai government.

Again, the only people insisting with the hoe are you and your fellow conspiracists, you have no idea what are the final results of the investigation but just cling on to earlier reports because it suits you to cherry-pick the bits and pieces that you can fit into your theories; you are not interested in the whole truth.

I'm not saying the Brit coroner won't speak up (although he has that prerogative: if he chooses to have the findings private, and shown only to authorities and victims' families, he can legally do so). You misread my gist by a country mile. I will give credence to the British coroner's findings. If he says the B2's DNA was found in Hannah, then it will be a major step towards finding guilt for B2 involvement in the crime. In contrast, I don't give credence to the DNA trail contrived by Thai officials. Ms Porntip would concur with me on that, as would 98% of posters on this thread.

In stark contrast, the Gang of 4 won't give any credence to any evidence which points to any of the Headman's people. I'm open-minded, they're not.

You are so wrong on so many points.

I quote you Here is some of that 'ZERO evidence':

1. CCTV showing a young skinny man who looks very much like Nomsod - acting v. suspicious at time of crime.

That is not evidence, he does not look like nomsod, his picture was photoshoped into it , source CSI LA

2. Obviously tampered-with CCTV purportedly offering an alibi for him not being there then, even tho his own dad corroborated that he was on the island that night.

The CCTV was not tampered with! This has been explained before. Someone made a print out of the CCTV image so it looked curved, the black and white datestamp is the right one, several cctv cameras do have thatvtype of datestamp. But your source was CSI LA who started a different theory.

3. Nomsod evading police for a week, even tho he and everyone else knew he was wanted.

He was not at the island , but in BKK studying , and I'm sure his father wanted to protect his family from false claims. He went on with his student life, why shouldnt he ?

4. Nomsod refusing to submit for a DNA test until weeks later, when everyone involved knew beforehand, the results wouldn't match (fancy that!)

Nomsod did not refuse, do you know his feelings about this ? His father would not allow it because he found it unecesseary, after all these were false allegations. Finally they accepted a DNA test to clear his sons name from the social media allegations.

>>> cops planted phone

Maybe they did, who knows ?

6. Nomsod's g.f. claiming she couldn't find him in Bkk on that weekend, even tho they're nearly always together.

This is just a rumour , show me a news link.

7. Nomsod's haircut, right after the crimes, which show his sideburns turning toward his ears, instead of forward, as shown in the video. It also shows less hair than the hairy guy in the video.

He was less hairy ? And he had a hair cut ? Is that suspicious to you ?

AND FINALLY YOU END UP BY SAYING

....that's a start, of the list of 'ZERO evidence'.

YES, thats a start of Zero evidence , because thats what it is . ZERO evidence.

Thank you.

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....there is ZERO evidence to suggest a cover-up or that any of the evidence against the two is fabricated ... unless you resort to fantasy speculation.

Here is some of that 'ZERO evidence':
>>> CCTV showing a young skinny man who looks very much like Nomsod - acting v. suspicious at time of crime.
>>> Obviously tampered-with CCTV purportedly offering an alibi for him not being there then, even tho his own dad corroborated that he was on the island that night.
>>> Nomdod evading police for a week, even tho he and everyone else knew he was wanted.
>>> Nomsod refusing to submit for a DNA test until weeks later, when everyone involved knew beforehand, the results wouldn't match (fancy that!)
>>> cops planted phone in B2's back yard. First claim (of it being Hannah's phone) was proven wrong. Follow-up claim (David's phone) was also proven wrong. RTP can't even plant false evidence well.
>>> Nomsod's g.f. claiming she couldn't find him in Bkk on that weekend, even tho they're nearly always together.
>>> Nomsod's haircut, right after the crimes, which show his sideburns turning toward his ears, instead of forward, as shown in the video. It also shows less hair than the hairy guy in the video.
....that's a start, of the list of 'ZERO evidence'.

LMAO. a skinny asian on a video -- must be him... Brilliant.

Never evaded police - he was not on the island, and police confirmed this.

NEVER asked for DNA samples but did volunteer to provide and provided it to 4 Labs (do you think he DNA changed?) Police made very clear he was not asked to provide the DNA and that he was no longer a suspect but he provided to try to quiet the conpiracy nuts online.

You're living in outdated fantasy land with the phone conspiracy.

Again police confirmed and verified he was in Bangkok at the time.

Oh for God's sake please stop... do you realize how bizzare and desperate you sound in trying to avoid reality and the obvious.

I and others have specified several identifying reasons he is likely the person on the video. Try to keep up.

He evaded police for over a week. when a person is wanted by police, in Thailand, it doesn't matter where he/she is. Wanted is wanted.

If he was not requested to submit for DNA (which sounds incredible, considering he was a prime suspect for over a week) then that's a further indication of the lousy job police (who aren't trained in crime investigations) did in this case. Police didn't do a lot of other very basic investigative things, but we know that. What's new?

It's already been explained, by the time Nomsod's daddy orchestrated that press conference, it was clear to all in attendance that the DNA wouldn't match that from the victim. The DNA typing was probably done professionally, IT'S THE DNA TRAIL THAT MANY OF USE THINK WAS ALTERED. I've mentioned several times how easy it would be for just one person to alter the labeling of 'DNA from Hannah.' Try to pay attention to what's been posted prior, then your comments wouldn't look so foolish.

Phone records and history of calls are key to many crime investigations. Thai police should know that, and act on it accordingly.

If you're gauging your outlook on what 'police verify' (particularly after the B2 were framed) then you're either 'in tight' with the establishment, or easily duped.

To me, the 'obvious' is the man in the KT video is Nomsod. You don't have to agree with me, but it's telling (of how protective of Nomsod you are) that your hackles go up when any of the dozen implicating factors about Nomsod are mentioned. Is he a family member of yours? Are you justifying the dozens of mistakes and counter-investigative actions the RTP have been doing? Suit yourself. As for me: I seek justice for the victims, and also getting rapists and murderers out of the public domain. Running off to a monastery isn't good enough. It's an old ploy which has often been used by Thai men to avoid legal responsibilities, and doesn't fool any Thais, nor me.