AirAsia flight QZ8501: Crashed jet found on ocean floor: rescuers

[draftvader]

Yes, glad you picked that up.

Ah, found the problem. It was 6,100 hours with Air Asia. 20,000 career hours.

I thought that was cleared up pretty much from the beginning.

However, no matter what, many souls have perished, and but for fate it could have been one of us.

Have you seen the hour on New Year's Day that this was posted? I'm in BKK so that is accurate. With only 5.5 hours sleep and a fair (not excessive) amount of drinking last night I feel we did pretty well to catch ourselves in the time shown.

[newcomer71]

Yes F430, I understand that the official in question has recanted, no bodies with life vests.

As to why no pings, possibly no one has listened for them, they have the aircraft.

Disgraceful on the part of the official - even if that was the information he had received, surely the responsible thing to do would be to clarify his statement with 'we are awaiting confirmation'. After the bozos at TV One who elected to show footage of bodies being recovered from the ocean, our friend has given the relatives waiting in Surabaya a mental image that many of them would struggle with : people bobbing around in the ocean waiting to be rescued. As we saw with MH370, one of the early stages of grief is anger - I'd be mad as hell if there was any suggestion that the initial delays in getting the SAR teams to the projected crash site effectively killed survivors - pure speculation, but that's precisely what a statement like that feeds into. As horrific as their last moments would have been, those still trapped in the aircraft wouldnt have had to endure hypothermia or exposure. The sooner they retrieve the fuselage, the better IMO.

When considering all this there are 2 main points to consider.

Firstly, all airlines were issued with an advisory to install new pitot tubes after the French plane went down, yet here we have an Indonesian plane with possible pitot problems. (ex Garuda anyone?)

Secondly and worth consideration as to why there are always conflicting statements,, can you imagine the damage done to economies if anyone were to even slightly indicate that it was no longer safe to fly.

Firstly, all airlines were issued with an advisory to install new pitot tubes after the French plane went down, yet here we have an Indonesian plane with possible pitot problems. (ex Garuda anyone?)

AirAsia Indonesia is NOT ex Garuda. And it's really too much early to speak about pitot tubes. Accident could have been caused by another hundred causes at this point.

[tigermonkey]

The Indonesian captain, a former air force fighter pilot, had 6,100 flying hours

So it wasn't 20thousand hours??

" AirAsia said the captain more than 20,000 flying hours, of which 6,100 were with AirAsia on the Airbus 320. The first officer had 2,275 flying hours. "

http://gulfnews.com/news/world/other-world/missing-airasia-flight-pilot-had-logged-20-000-hours-1.1433454

What you are looking at is one of the quaint oddities of Asian carriers. When you start flying with a company such as Air Asia, they have you start a new log book showing only your hours with the company; your old log books are to be set aside and forgotten. I have no idea why they follow this practice, but they all do it. Hence the captain has only 6,100 hours, and not 20,500 hours which is his actual experience. If the Captain had been flying for a non Asian carrier, his hours would be announced as 20,500. Are you confused yet ? -- just one of the joys of flying in SEAsia.

Edited January 2, 2015 by tigermonkey

[tigermonkey]

Well one body recover with life jacket this show that cabin has been prepared for emergency landind , if post-mortem examination show some passager survive to crash, this rise question about quality of management of rescue by Indonesia. Indonesia quickly stop search in the first day.......

The story about on victim being recovered wearing a life jacket has long since been recanted. The true story was that a body and a life jacket were revered from the same area.

[Robby nz]

Yahoo news now says 16 bodies have been recovered.

But they have not actually found the plane just possible contacts that may be parts.

This could have changed in the last 8 hours.

[Sirpia]

So just like the '40 people found' headline from yesterday, this headline is completely wrong, right?

Why is it still here???

[Robby nz]

Update on that :

ABC News now says at least 30 bodies have been recovered, five of those recovered were said to still be strapped in their seats.

As the plane still has not been found then the seats must have been ejected with the people still seated which would indicate at least some break up.

Assuming this link is acceptable.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/airasia-flight-8501-ships-scour-java-sea-search/story?id=27955975

[Tywais]

There are sufficient topics covering this in the World News Forum. The lastest, 30 Bodies recovered. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/788674-some-airasia-victims-found-belted-in-seats/ Please continue the discussion in one of the other topics. Thanks.

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