French man found hanged in Koh Tao with his hands tied behind his back – foul play suspected

[Willy Eckerslike]

UPDATE:

Criminologist doubts suicide theory of a tourist

BANGKOK: -- A criminologist has voiced his support for calls by media and relatives of a victim of suspected suicide by the police and forensic experts to look for more evidences to determine the exact cause of the death the victim.

Full story: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/789218-french-man-found-dead-in-koh-tao-incident-being-treated-as-suicide-not-homicide/page-7?p=8900725#entry8900725

What a joke , hes friends and family have asked respect their sorrow and have stated they believe he took hes own life.

This Joker of professor comes out and tryes to get famous . Some people..

What are you talking about.................... This Professor is supporting the relatives of the victim..............

[jimmybkk]

So much for social media, be it Thai Visa, CSILA or whatever... at least cases like this come out in the open

Frenchman found hung in Koh Tao: foul play suspected

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Frenchman-found-hung-in-Koh-Tao-foul-play-suspecte-30251171.html

Isn't it just wonderful for the family and friends of the deceased to have creeps falling over themselves to come up with the wildest theories as they gawk at and share among themselves the pictures of the body?

Whereas you think it perfectly acceptable to give families and friends false hope with suggestions that we should all expect a transparent and fair trial to ensue the investigation, so they should just take a back seat and let the police do their thing until such time as the case reaches a courtroom at which time we will all see how the evidence presented stands up to scrutiny.

The fact is that unlike some posters who are speculating as to what may be the actual passage of events leading to a person's demise, hopefully with the intention of providing a warning to others who may face a similar situation in the future, or else to raising concerns with the verdict that is given in the courtroom, you are offering imaginary comfort in the form of outright lies by suggesting they should leave everything in the hands of the judiciary and they will take care of everything, when the reality is you know that the judicial system here is about as transparent as a piece of wood and about as honest as a Beach Road katoey.

So, having taken your expert advice exactly how do you explain to the relatives of the deceased that despite it being a somewhat unusual ruling, their loved one stabbing themselves in the chest 7 times has now been ruled as a suicide which has naturally invalidated their life insurance and so the grieving family members are now not only forced to deal with mental distress of losing a loved one, they are also now liable for all costs associated with their loved one's death, including repatriation...

But anyway, keep on with that strategy of yours of it keeps the attention away from whatever it is that you care so much about on Koh Tao. Oh, and make sure you keep us informed as to how that strategy works our for you.

[Willy Eckerslike]

So much for social media, be it Thai Visa, CSILA or whatever... at least cases like this come out in the open

Frenchman found hung in Koh Tao: foul play suspected

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Frenchman-found-hung-in-Koh-Tao-foul-play-suspecte-30251171.html

Isn't it just wonderful for the family and friends of the deceased to have creeps falling over themselves to come up with the wildest theories as they gawk at and share among themselves the pictures of the body?

Whereas you think it perfectly acceptable to give families and friends false hope with suggestions that we should all expect a transparent and fair trial to ensue the investigation, so they should just take a back seat and let the police do their thing until such time as the case reaches a courtroom at which time we will all see how the evidence presented stands up to scrutiny.

The fact is that unlike some posters who are speculating as to what may be the actual passage of events leading to a person's demise, hopefully with the intention of providing a warning to others who may face a similar situation in the future, or else to raising concerns with the verdict that is given in the courtroom, you are offering imaginary comfort in the form of outright lies by suggesting they should leave everything in the hands of the judiciary and they will take care of everything, when the reality is you know that the judicial system here is about as transparent as a piece of wood and about as honest as a Beach Road katoey.

So, having taken your expert advice exactly how do you explain to the relatives of the deceased that despite it being a somewhat unusual ruling, their loved one stabbing themselves in the chest 7 times has now been ruled as a suicide which has naturally invalidated their life insurance and so the grieving family members are now not only forced to deal with mental distress of losing a loved one, they are also now liable for all costs associated with their loved one's death, including repatriation...

But anyway, keep on with that strategy of yours of it keeps the attention away from whatever it is that you care so much about on Koh Tao. Oh, and make sure you keep us informed as to how that strategy works our for you.

As honest as a Beach Road Katoey..............

[Scully]

UPDATE:

Criminologist doubts suicide theory of a tourist

BANGKOK: -- A criminologist has voiced his support for calls by media and relatives of a victim of suspected suicide by the police and forensic experts to look for more evidences to determine the exact cause of the death the victim.

Full story: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/789218-french-man-found-dead-in-koh-tao-incident-being-treated-as-suicide-not-homicide/page-7?p=8900725#entry8900725

What a joke , hes friends and family have asked respect their sorrow and have stated they believe he took hes own life.

This Joker of professor comes out and tryes to get famous . Some people..

No it was you that claimed that, you were asked for a link so we could respect the relatives but you didn't produce one. Now who do I believe, a professor or an apologist poster with a vested interest. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[englishoak]

So what are people going to post now ? that a criminologist should keep their nose out or is he right ? is he competent or is he not to suggest such a thing ?

Personally doing a proper investigation shouldnt need to be said considering the circumstances but hey ho its probably worth reminding the BIB here.

I cant believe any poster would resist any suggestion or move to forensically and expertly assess the nature and details of this death regarding suicide or not.

Its pretty crucial to know the exact truth of this one happening on death Island.

[apetley]

Dmitri?

Well, Russian (named) tourists are falling by the minute...

Dimitri is a popular boys name in France.

[DennisF]

UPDATE:

Criminologist doubts suicide theory of a tourist

BANGKOK: -- A criminologist has voiced his support for calls by media and relatives of a victim of suspected suicide by the police and forensic experts to look for more evidences to determine the exact cause of the death the victim.

Full story: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/789218-french-man-found-dead-in-koh-tao-incident-being-treated-as-suicide-not-homicide/page-7?p=8900725#entry8900725

What a joke , hes friends and family have asked respect their sorrow and have stated they believe he took hes own life.

This Joker of professor comes out and tryes to get famous . Some people..

You are an insult to the human race, do you have any idea how much work and dedication it takes to become a professor in a discipline like this??

No of course you dont.

Go plant a crop to survive and let the experts deal with this death.

The last thing they need is advice from someone who resides on Death Island and pleads for clemency and quiet.

[DennisF]

Lol, it is amazing to see people calling Koh Tao "Island of death", or even suggesting nuking the place. I'm pretty sure most of those people are backpacker hating Pattaya resident sexpats, or probably spent a lot of time at Pattaya at some part of their lifes. Pattaya, which is famous for murders happening on a weekly basis. Pattaya, which has not only the local mafia, but also mafias from around the world, like Russian mafia, Arab mafia, Turkish mafia etc. And yet you never hear those backpacker hating sexpats bashing Pattaya.

The murders at Koh Tao was big news, because it is so rare. Murders at Pattaya aren't big news, because it happens so much that it doesn't have a news value. You want to nuke a place, fine, then go for Pattaya. An incredible amount of scum would be wiped out of earth and Thailand's murder rates would drop instantly.

Couldn't agree more with this....

Backpackers do my head in but so do bloated, drooling, pervert sexpats... and Pattaya is a dive...

Flick the switch...

Its refreshing to see we are not being judgemental or generalising about other human beings whilst we discuss the death of this poor guy.

[Artisi]

UPDATE:

Criminologist doubts suicide theory of a tourist

BANGKOK: -- A criminologist has voiced his support for calls by media and relatives of a victim of suspected suicide by the police and forensic experts to look for more evidences to determine the exact cause of the death the victim.

Full story: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/789218-french-man-found-dead-in-koh-tao-incident-being-treated-as-suicide-not-homicide/page-7?p=8900725#entry8900725

What a joke , hes friends and family have asked respect their sorrow and have stated they believe he took hes own life.

This Joker of professor comes out and tryes to get famous . Some people..

You are an insult to the human race, do you have any idea how much work and dedication it takes to become a professor in a discipline like this??

No of course you dont.

Go plant a crop to survive and let the experts deal with this death.

The last thing they need is advice from someone who resides on Death Island and pleads for clemency and quiet.

Don't feed the troll - it would be in everyone's interest to never reply - just let them talk to themselves as they don't deserve any attention what-so-ever.

[sabaitoo]

UPDATE:

Criminologist doubts suicide theory of a tourist

BANGKOK: -- A criminologist has voiced his support for calls by media and relatives of a victim of suspected suicide by the police and forensic experts to look for more evidences to determine the exact cause of the death the victim.

Full story: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/789218-french-man-found-dead-in-koh-tao-incident-being-treated-as-suicide-not-homicide/page-7?p=8900725#entry8900725

What a joke , hes friends and family have asked respect their sorrow and have stated they believe he took hes own life.

This Joker of professor comes out and tryes to get famous . Some people..

Beside 1....that is 1 poster ( Spanish, Koh Tao regular and with several friends on Koh Tao )on CSILA, who claimed to be a friend of the victim , I have seen no other statement from family, it was mentioned in an article they found the death suspicious ( but that could be a journalist opinion) .. so where you get what his friends and family has asked for is a mystery... now go back to your Island friends and keep dreaming of paradise lost..

[scorecard]

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I thought I read earlier that the local BIB had solved the case as a suicide?

Wonder whether the crime scene has been kept pure and / or is the local headman all over this case also.

Have the professional forensic investigators been called in, or maybe that's in three weeks time.

[balo]

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I thought I read earlier that the local BIB had solved the case as a suicide?

Wonder whether the crime scene has been kept pure and / or is the local headman all over this case also.

Have the professional forensic investigators been called in, or maybe that's in three weeks time.

You think too much.

[Anthony5]

UPDATE:

Criminologist doubts suicide theory of a tourist

BANGKOK: -- A criminologist has voiced his support for calls by media and relatives of a victim of suspected suicide by the police and forensic experts to look for more evidences to determine the exact cause of the death the victim.

Full story: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/789218-french-man-found-dead-in-koh-tao-incident-being-treated-as-suicide-not-homicide/page-7?p=8900725#entry8900725

What a joke , hes friends and family have asked respect their sorrow and have stated they believe he took hes own life.

This Joker of professor comes out and tryes to get famous . Some people..

You are an insult to the human race, do you have any idea how much work and dedication it takes to become a professor in a discipline like this??

No of course you dont.

Go plant a crop to survive and let the experts deal with this death.

The last thing they need is advice from someone who resides on Death Island and pleads for clemency and quiet.

Do you know what a criminologist actually is? He has no knowledge of what he's babbling about.

Job Description of Criminologists

Criminologists study a variety of factors to determine why criminals commit crimes. They consider psychological and social concerns, research data about crimes and arrests and study the background of the criminal to determine if any biological situations led him or her to commit the crime. While studying the criminal, criminologists unveil incidents that may have influenced their crime.

Given all this information, criminologists then create profile types for typical criminals, which are then used by other law enforcement personnel to evaluate future criminals. The data accumulated by criminologists is used to help law enforcers apprehend criminals more efficiently and to better assess their motives.

Criminologist Job Duties

Criminologists review criminal acts and assess a pattern of action, demographics and motivation. They may also report to a crime scene or an autopsy to determine whether a criminal falls into a specific category based on the nature of the crime.

They are usually required to write a report encompassing all of their findings. These reports are held on file and may be referred to when a similar crime is committed to compare criminals and crimes

[Islandlife]

UPDATE:

Criminologist doubts suicide theory of a tourist

BANGKOK: -- A criminologist has voiced his support for calls by media and relatives of a victim of suspected suicide by the police and forensic experts to look for more evidences to determine the exact cause of the death the victim.

Full story: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/789218-french-man-found-dead-in-koh-tao-incident-being-treated-as-suicide-not-homicide/page-7?p=8900725#entry8900725

What a joke , hes friends and family have asked respect their sorrow and have stated they believe he took hes own life.

This Joker of professor comes out and tryes to get famous . Some people..

You are an insult to the human race, do you have any idea how much work and dedication it takes to become a professor in a discipline like this??

No of course you dont.

Go plant a crop to survive and let the experts deal with this death.

The last thing they need is advice from someone who resides on Death Island and pleads for clemency and quiet.

Yeah you right ,and professor must be right 2,screw people lost they friend , son,ex boy friend . Death island . .

Must be islands fault. #lost

[Islandlife]

I googled what is the Troll.So refreshing now we are in same page. Id ignore the litle fella 2.

[BritTim]

Do you know what a criminologist actually is? He has no knowledge of what he's babbling about.

Job Description of Criminologists

Criminologists study a variety of factors to determine why criminals commit crimes. They consider psychological and social concerns, research data about crimes and arrests and study the background of the criminal to determine if any biological situations led him or her to commit the crime. While studying the criminal, criminologists unveil incidents that may have influenced their crime.

Given all this information, criminologists then create profile types for typical criminals, which are then used by other law enforcement personnel to evaluate future criminals. The data accumulated by criminologists is used to help law enforcers apprehend criminals more efficiently and to better assess their motives.

Criminologist Job Duties

Criminologists review criminal acts and assess a pattern of action, demographics and motivation. They may also report to a crime scene or an autopsy to determine whether a criminal falls into a specific category based on the nature of the crime.

They are usually required to write a report encompassing all of their findings. These reports are held on file and may be referred to when a similar crime is committed to compare criminals and crimes

Correct, up to a point.

These reports are held on file and may be referred to when a similar crime is committed to compare criminals and crimes

One of the things this is used for is deciding whether the circumstances of a suspicious death are consistent with "assisted suicide". Of course, once it is determined by referring to criminologist experience, that foul play may be involved, it is up to others (police investigators, trained pathologists) to determine whether foul play was actually involved in the specific case. Such investigations typically takes weeks, as many toxicology tests, detailed reconstruction of the deceased's movements, analysis of the suicide letter (if any) and interviews with friends and family to assess state of mind are needed. Until such an investigation is complete, cremation of the body will not normally be allowed.

If foul play is suspected (which a criminologist is qualified to assess) it is strange when suicide is concluded after minimal investigation and the key evidence (the body) incinerated. Maybe, it really was suicide. We have ample evidence to conclude that the police in this region are highly incompetent, but lack of a proper investigation will justifiably lead to accusations of a cover up.

[berybert]

When suicide is decided within 10 minutes of finding the body, then questions need to be asked.

[sabaitoo]

BREAKING NEWS..( well sort of...hmmm not really..but on THAI PBS video )

The owner of the rented Bungalow state in the video he believe it was suicide.... (wow an expert..I guess)

The Chief of Police, Prachum Ruangtong believe it was a case of suicide....because.... ( drum rolls ) a French girl on Koh Tao did not answer a phone call from the victim, that left him heartbroken and caused him to commit suicide....

[hobz]

Warning: the following post contains WILD speculation and conspiracy theories. If you are not interested, do not read ahead.

This case looks like suicide, that being said, what if it was not suicide? Why would the police cover it up?

1. It was suicide, case closed.

2. The police think it was suicide. The murderers did a good job on making it look like a suicide.

3. The police are lazy and underpaid, they think it may have been murder, but it's way easier and smoother to just close the case as suicide.

The rest of the theories work under the assumption that thai police are corrupt and make their money in mafia-style activities, such as extortion, drugs, gambling, prostitution and murder.

4. The police was in on murdering the guy, so they want to get the case closed by claiming suicide... This way they dont have to pretend to look for the real killers or catch any scapegoats.

The following theory is EXTREMELY WILD, and again, assumes the police work in mafia-style manners to make money:

5. The police came to the scene and thought, hey, this looks like murder, let's make some money by finding the real killers (they might already know the killers, assuming they have mafia-style relationships with people on the island) and extort them.. If they pay us good enough we will make it look like suicide..

So there ya have it,, wild theories,, Personally I don't have a clue what happened simply because the information provided by media is so terrible...

[IslandLover]

Islandlife, on 06 Jan 2015 - 18:50, said:

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I googled what is the Troll.So refreshing now we are in same page. Id ignore the litle fella 2.

You could always use that picture as your avatar, eh, IslandLife?

[AleG]

So much for social media, be it Thai Visa, CSILA or whatever... at least cases like this come out in the open

Frenchman found hung in Koh Tao: foul play suspected

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Frenchman-found-hung-in-Koh-Tao-foul-play-suspecte-30251171.html

Isn't it just wonderful for the family and friends of the deceased to have creeps falling over themselves to come up with the wildest theories as they gawk at and share among themselves the pictures of the body?

Whereas you think it perfectly acceptable to give families and friends false hope with suggestions that we should all expect a transparent and fair trial to ensue the investigation, so they should just take a back seat and let the police do their thing until such time as the case reaches a courtroom at which time we will all see how the evidence presented stands up to scrutiny.

The fact is that unlike some posters who are speculating as to what may be the actual passage of events leading to a person's demise, hopefully with the intention of providing a warning to others who may face a similar situation in the future, or else to raising concerns with the verdict that is given in the courtroom, you are offering imaginary comfort in the form of outright lies by suggesting they should leave everything in the hands of the judiciary and they will take care of everything, when the reality is you know that the judicial system here is about as transparent as a piece of wood and about as honest as a Beach Road katoey.

So, having taken your expert advice exactly how do you explain to the relatives of the deceased that despite it being a somewhat unusual ruling, their loved one stabbing themselves in the chest 7 times has now been ruled as a suicide which has naturally invalidated their life insurance and so the grieving family members are now not only forced to deal with mental distress of losing a loved one, they are also now liable for all costs associated with their loved one's death, including repatriation...

But anyway, keep on with that strategy of yours of it keeps the attention away from whatever it is that you care so much about on Koh Tao. Oh, and make sure you keep us informed as to how that strategy works our for you.

So now the man stabbed himself seven times in the chest?

"The fact is that unlike some posters who are speculating as to what may be the actual passage of events leading to a person's demise"

No no, the fact is you and your pals are the ones taking wing on flights of fancy, concocting scenarios out of pure speculation and make believe. Please, don't reply until you can string more than two thoughts together in a sensible manner.

[hobz]

So much for social media, be it Thai Visa, CSILA or whatever... at least cases like this come out in the open

Frenchman found hung in Koh Tao: foul play suspected

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Frenchman-found-hung-in-Koh-Tao-foul-play-suspecte-30251171.html

Isn't it just wonderful for the family and friends of the deceased to have creeps falling over themselves to come up with the wildest theories as they gawk at and share among themselves the pictures of the body?

Whereas you think it perfectly acceptable to give families and friends false hope with suggestions that we should all expect a transparent and fair trial to ensue the investigation, so they should just take a back seat and let the police do their thing until such time as the case reaches a courtroom at which time we will all see how the evidence presented stands up to scrutiny.

The fact is that unlike some posters who are speculating as to what may be the actual passage of events leading to a person's demise, hopefully with the intention of providing a warning to others who may face a similar situation in the future, or else to raising concerns with the verdict that is given in the courtroom, you are offering imaginary comfort in the form of outright lies by suggesting they should leave everything in the hands of the judiciary and they will take care of everything, when the reality is you know that the judicial system here is about as transparent as a piece of wood and about as honest as a Beach Road katoey.

So, having taken your expert advice exactly how do you explain to the relatives of the deceased that despite it being a somewhat unusual ruling, their loved one stabbing themselves in the chest 7 times has now been ruled as a suicide which has naturally invalidated their life insurance and so the grieving family members are now not only forced to deal with mental distress of losing a loved one, they are also now liable for all costs associated with their loved one's death, including repatriation...

But anyway, keep on with that strategy of yours of it keeps the attention away from whatever it is that you care so much about on Koh Tao. Oh, and make sure you keep us informed as to how that strategy works our for you.

So now the man stabbed himself seven times in the chest?

"The fact is that unlike some posters who are speculating as to what may be the actual passage of events leading to a person's demise"

No no, the fact is you and your pals are the ones taking wing on flights of fancy, concocting scenarios out of pure speculation and make believe. Please, don't reply until you can string more than two thoughts together in a sensible manner.

*edit* self censoring

[Islandlife]

Weirdest thing is,as i been trying to just tell my views from island and cut down the wings from gossip here but allways been labeled as apogylist and a troll.

Just read past 5 pages down on this thread and its moustly just boring off topic arguments and moustly gossiping/speculating just for fun.

I must ad one is true what been said about me , i live in Koh tao and have vested interest as form of busines.

And i can share a litle secret Koh tao is at mo busiest we ever seen , i been asking around and moust busines owners here have break all records,boats are full from both ways all the time,only awailable rooms are high end resorts or far awAy from main beach.

As someone mentioned while we discussed these horrid times to our home wich is Koh tao ,murder island as meny of you likes to call it.

He put it well, no one knew where Koh tao is before and now everyone does.

So please continue to make up stories, it has actually worked even bad as it sounds islands benefit.

Ill be heading next to the beach and enjoy the sun,have a nice day everyone.

[007cableguy]

Weirdest thing is,as i been trying to just tell my views from island and cut down the wings from gossip here but allways been labeled as apogylist and a troll.

Just read past 5 pages down on this thread and its moustly just boring off topic arguments and moustly gossiping/speculating just for fun.

I must ad one is true what been said about me , i live in Koh tao and have vested interest as form of busines.

And i can share a litle secret Koh tao is at mo busiest we ever seen , i been asking around and moust busines owners here have break all records,boats are full from both ways all the time,only awailable rooms are high end resorts or far awAy from main beach.

As someone mentioned while we discussed these horrid times to our home wich is Koh tao ,murder island as meny of you likes to call it.

He put it well, no one knew where Koh tao is before and now everyone does.

So please continue to make up stories, it has actually worked even bad as it sounds islands benefit.

Ill be heading next to the beach and enjoy the sun,have a nice day everyone.

So what your saying is in your pigeon English is that murder is good for tourism?

[JohnThailandJohn]

It’s Official Dimitri Povse’s Death on Koh Tao Deemed a Suicide

http://www.chiangraitimes.com/its-official-dimitri-povses-death-on-koh-tao-deemed-a-suicide.html

There was hand written note on his bed that said, in French, “Iris, I love you. Suicide seems easy but it is actually difficult.”

Somsak added that since Povse’s hands were only loosely tied, he may have inserted his hands into the rope just before committing suicide

[DM07]

It’s Official Dimitri Povse’s Death on Koh Tao Deemed a Suicide

http://www.chiangraitimes.com/its-official-dimitri-povses-death-on-koh-tao-deemed-a-suicide.html

There was hand written note on his bed that said, in French, “Iris, I love you. Suicide seems easy but it is actually difficult.”

Somsak added that since Povse’s hands were only loosely tied, he may have inserted his hands into the rope just before committing suicide

It is also official that the B2 are the main suspect to have killed Hannah and David!

Although absolutely nothing matches up.

...next...

[jimmybkk]

Isn't it just wonderful for the family and friends of the deceased to have creeps falling over themselves to come up with the wildest theories as they gawk at and share among themselves the pictures of the body?

Whereas you think it perfectly acceptable to give families and friends false hope with suggestions that we should all expect a transparent and fair trial to ensue the investigation, so they should just take a back seat and let the police do their thing until such time as the case reaches a courtroom at which time we will all see how the evidence presented stands up to scrutiny.

The fact is that unlike some posters who are speculating as to what may be the actual passage of events leading to a person's demise, hopefully with the intention of providing a warning to others who may face a similar situation in the future, or else to raising concerns with the verdict that is given in the courtroom, you are offering imaginary comfort in the form of outright lies by suggesting they should leave everything in the hands of the judiciary and they will take care of everything, when the reality is you know that the judicial system here is about as transparent as a piece of wood and about as honest as a Beach Road katoey.

So, having taken your expert advice exactly how do you explain to the relatives of the deceased that despite it being a somewhat unusual ruling, their loved one stabbing themselves in the chest 7 times has now been ruled as a suicide which has naturally invalidated their life insurance and so the grieving family members are now not only forced to deal with mental distress of losing a loved one, they are also now liable for all costs associated with their loved one's death, including repatriation...

But anyway, keep on with that strategy of yours of it keeps the attention away from whatever it is that you care so much about on Koh Tao. Oh, and make sure you keep us informed as to how that strategy works our for you.

So now the man stabbed himself seven times in the chest?

"The fact is that unlike some posters who are speculating as to what may be the actual passage of events leading to a person's demise"

No no, the fact is you and your pals are the ones taking wing on flights of fancy, concocting scenarios out of pure speculation and make believe. Please, don't reply until you can string more than two thoughts together in a sensible manner.

Uhmmm... nope. This guy was found hanged. The clue to that is in the title of the thread. Please try to pay attention son.

This guy here stabbed himself 7 times in the chest recently and apparently the police were ruling it as a suicide:

http://www.thephuketnews.com/russian-tourist-found-dead-in-phuket-hotel-with-7-stab-wounds-47830.php

I do not know the exact details of this young man's situation but it is clearly a very sad, tragic event and I am sure his family and friends must be devastated. I hope he may now rest in peace and offer my condolences to his family and friends.

I am also not offering any speculation as to what happened to this young man. What my post started is that I wholeheartedly disagree with you who would advise that anyone losing a friend or loved one in this country should just sit back and let the investigation into the cause of the death run it's natural course. Don't interfere and don't question anything. The investigation will be handled in a fair and transparent fashion and you will be kept informed of progress at every step of the way. In the event of a court case all evidence presented will be scrutinized and assessed before a verdict is announced, and based on some of your posts, that is the message you are sending and that is just wrong, and a misrepresentation of the way the system works here.

I am simply trying to point out that perhaps at the time of the persons demise, their loved ones would be emotional and not in the correct frame of mind to think of the consequences of their actions, and so it is possible that when presented with a document to sign that confirms they accept the cause of death to be suicide they may think: "Sounds a bit far-fetched, but let's just get him/her home so we can bury him/her and say our farewells...". Then, 2 weeks later a letter arrives from the insurance company saying they are writing to confirm that as stated in Section 2, Paragraph 1 of their loved one's life insurance policy death by suicide is one of the exclusions and therefore the cheque is not in the post... Taking the path of least resistance is probably not a good idea, and if not happy with an investigation, verdict or inquest then take action and question it. And it is certainly not only about insurance policies...

We live in a country where a man can stab himself 7 times in the chest and it be ruled a suicide. A few years ago there was a man in Pattaya who apparently jumped from a tall building and that was also immediately ruled a suicide. Later the autopsy revealed that he had actually died at least an hour before he decided to jump.

"No no, the fact is you and your pals are the ones taking wing on flights of fancy, concocting scenarios out of pure speculation and make believe"

Please clarify who are my pals and highlight any scenario or speculation you are referring to with regards to my comments surrounding this young man's sad demise.

I can string the thoughts together son, but sadly there's no "IQ-Verification" required before allowing a reply to a post on this forum, which is the only reason I find myself confronted with the pseudo-intellectual drivel that you spout.

[greenchair]

Its Official Dimitri Povses Death on Koh Tao Deemed a Suicide

http://www.chiangraitimes.com/its-official-dimitri-povses-death-on-koh-tao-deemed-a-suicide.html

There was hand written note on his bed that said, in French, Iris, I love you. Suicide seems easy but it is actually difficult.

Somsak added that since Povses hands were only loosely tied, he may have inserted his hands into the rope just before committing suicide

So drunk as a sailor.

He prepared the noose.

Tied hands in front of him.

Climbed on a chair.

Placed noose around neck.

Then balancing on the chair with the noose around his neck stepped through his hands.

Then proceeded from there.

All over a girl he met a few days ago, that did not pick up the phone.

[TSF]

Its Official Dimitri Povses Death on Koh Tao Deemed a Suicide

http://www.chiangraitimes.com/its-official-dimitri-povses-death-on-koh-tao-deemed-a-suicide.html

There was hand written note on his bed that said, in French, Iris, I love you. Suicide seems easy but it is actually difficult.

Somsak added that since Povses hands were only loosely tied, he may have inserted his hands into the rope just before committing suicide

So drunk as a sailor.

He prepared the noose.

Tied hands in front of him.

Climbed on a chair.

Placed noose around neck.

Then balancing on the chair with the noose around his neck stepped through his hands.

Then proceeded from there.

All over a girl he met a few days ago, that did not pick up the phone.

Yep, that's how it goes in Toontown.

[AleG]

So now the man stabbed himself seven times in the chest?

"The fact is that unlike some posters who are speculating as to what may be the actual passage of events leading to a person's demise"

No no, the fact is you and your pals are the ones taking wing on flights of fancy, concocting scenarios out of pure speculation and make believe. Please, don't reply until you can string more than two thoughts together in a sensible manner.

Uhmmm... nope. This guy was found hanged. The clue to that is in the title of the thread. Please try to pay attention son.

This guy here stabbed himself 7 times in the chest recently and apparently the police were ruling it as a suicide:

http://www.thephuketnews.com/russian-tourist-found-dead-in-phuket-hotel-with-7-stab-wounds-47830.php

I do not know the exact details of this young man's situation but it is clearly a very sad, tragic event and I am sure his family and friends must be devastated. I hope he may now rest in peace and offer my condolences to his family and friends.

I am also not offering any speculation as to what happened to this young man. What my post started is that I wholeheartedly disagree with you who would advise that anyone losing a friend or loved one in this country should just sit back and let the investigation into the cause of the death run it's natural course. Don't interfere and don't question anything. The investigation will be handled in a fair and transparent fashion and you will be kept informed of progress at every step of the way. In the event of a court case all evidence presented will be scrutinized and assessed before a verdict is announced, and based on some of your posts, that is the message you are sending and that is just wrong, and a misrepresentation of the way the system works here.

I am simply trying to point out that perhaps at the time of the persons demise, their loved ones would be emotional and not in the correct frame of mind to think of the consequences of their actions, and so it is possible that when presented with a document to sign that confirms they accept the cause of death to be suicide they may think: "Sounds a bit far-fetched, but let's just get him/her home so we can bury him/her and say our farewells...". Then, 2 weeks later a letter arrives from the insurance company saying they are writing to confirm that as stated in Section 2, Paragraph 1 of their loved one's life insurance policy death by suicide is one of the exclusions and therefore the cheque is not in the post... Taking the path of least resistance is probably not a good idea, and if not happy with an investigation, verdict or inquest then take action and question it. And it is certainly not only about insurance policies...

We live in a country where a man can stab himself 7 times in the chest and it be ruled a suicide. A few years ago there was a man in Pattaya who apparently jumped from a tall building and that was also immediately ruled a suicide. Later the autopsy revealed that he had actually died at least an hour before he decided to jump.

"No no, the fact is you and your pals are the ones taking wing on flights of fancy, concocting scenarios out of pure speculation and make believe"

Please clarify who are my pals and highlight any scenario or speculation you are referring to with regards to my comments surrounding this young man's sad demise.

I can string the thoughts together son, but sadly there's no "IQ-Verification" required before allowing a reply to a post on this forum, which is the only reason I find myself confronted with the pseudo-intellectual drivel that you spout.

Do you think adding the derogatory "son" makes you sound more convincing?

You don't even know what you write:

"I am also not offering any speculation"

"Please clarify who are my pals and highlight any scenario or speculation you are referring to with regards to my comments surrounding this young man's sad demise."

I highlighted on your own post what you claim not to be doing.