Tottenham Thread

[Chicog]

[carmine]

Carms, i have to laugh at these so called experts coming on here and having a pop, telling us we're playing shit football, can't score a goal, all our new players are average, we need to get rid of AVB etc etc and the ironic thing is we're sitting 2 points behind 4th place, i can't stop laughing

Well i am expert enough to know that Soldado has scored 1 goal and 3 penalties in the premier league yet you continually rate him above Defoe who has been a 20 a season regular for your club for years talk about fickle fans eh Carmine

And Alfie some of your lot who i must say have been absent said taht you would win the league and qualify for the champions league this season top four an all that

And you go on the scouse thread giving it large when at the moment they are way ahead of you.

Only two weeks ago you was larging it up over on the United thread a little bit of banter back your way and you get all defensive and insulting. Let's face it Avb is <deleted> and you are in denial

Defoe scores 20 a season does he......how many in the premier league could you tell us since you seem to be the TV forum Spurs expert. Infact perhaps you could furnish us with the number of premier league goals, assist and chances he's created over the past five seasons or else please go away and bullshit another thread

Like i said, Man Utd not knowing much about football.....theres a surprise..

[MrRed]

Carms, i have to laugh at these so called experts coming on here and having a pop, telling us we're playing shit football, can't score a goal, all our new players are average, we need to get rid of AVB etc etc and the ironic thing is we're sitting 2 points behind 4th place, i can't stop laughing

Well i am expert enough to know that Soldado has scored 1 goal and 3 penalties in the premier league yet you continually rate him above Defoe who has been a 20 a season regular for your club for years talk about fickle fans eh Carmine

And Alfie some of your lot who i must say have been absent said taht you would win the league and qualify for the champions league this season top four an all that

And you go on the scouse thread giving it large when at the moment they are way ahead of you.

Only two weeks ago you was larging it up over on the United thread a little bit of banter back your way and you get all defensive and insulting. Let's face it Avb is <deleted> and you are in denial

Defoe scores 20 a season does he......how many in the premier league could you tell us since you seem to be the TV forum Spurs expert. Infact perhaps you could furnish us with the number of premier league goals, assist and chances he's created over the past five seasons or else please go away and bullshit another thread

Like i said, Man Utd not knowing much about football(Spurs).....theres a surprise..

So are you just going to stick with Soldado then.

[carmine]

Sorry mate i'm bored talking to you about this, but i'll make an effort tomorrow....promise...

[MrRed]

Thanks I will be waiting.

[carmine]

Thanks I will be waiting.

And i trust you'll be waiting with those Defoe stats i asked for and i shall be delighted, as will Alfie, to discuss your rationale in believing Defoe should be leading the line for us.

Incidentally, i know you're a bit shaky on the offside rule but you might be interested to find out....actually don't bother, lets start with the first three shall we.

Word is btw, Adebayor has decided he wishes to start playing again!

[sumrit]

It's not difficult to find Carmine..............just Google Jermaine Defoe and Wikepedia has the stats.

He's got a career average of just over one goal every two and a half games.

Career statistics[edit] As of 10 November 2013. Club Season League FA Cup League Cup Europe Other^{[nb 2]} Total Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Bournemouth (loan) 2000–01 29 18 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 31 19 Total 29 18 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 31 19 West Ham United 2000–01 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 2 1 2001–02 35 10 3 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 39 14 2002–03 38 8 2 2 2 1 0 0 0 0 42 11 2003–04 19 11 0 0 3 4 0 0 0 0 22 15 Total 93 29 5 6 7 6 0 0 0 0 105 41 Tottenham Hotspur 2003–04 15 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 15 7 2004–05 35 13 4 4 5 5 0 0 0 0 44 22 2005–06 36 9 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 38 9 2006–07 34 10 5 1 5 4 5 3 0 0 49 18 2007–08 19 4 2 0 5 1 5 3 0 0 31 8 Total 139 43 12 5 16 10 10 6 0 0 177 64 Portsmouth 2007–08 12 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 12 8 2008–09 19 7 0 0 0 0 4 2 1 0 24 9 Total 31 15 0 0 0 0 4 2 1 0 36 17 Tottenham Hotspur 2008–09 8 3 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 10 4 2009–10 34 18 7 5 2 1 0 0 0 0 43 24 2010–11 22 4 2 2 0 0 6 3 0 0 30 9 2011–12 25 11 6 3 1 0 6 3 0 0 38 17 2012–13 34 11 0 0 1 0 8 4 0 0 43 15 2013–14 8 0 0 0 2 2 5 7 0 0 15 9 Total 131 47 16 10 7 4 25 17 0 0 179 78 Career total 423 152 34 22 30 20 39 25 2 0 528 219

And about one goal every three appearances for England (although I suspect he's had more substitute appearances for the National side).

International statistics[edit] England national team Year Apps Goals 2004 8 1 2005 7 0 2006 6 2 2007 5 0 2008 6 3 2009 6 5 2010 7 4 2011 1 0 2012 6 2 2013 3 2 Total 55 19
Edited November 26, 2013 by sumrit

[carmine]

It's not difficult to find Carmine..............just Google Jermaine Defoe and Wikepedia has the stats.

He's got a career average of just over one goal every two and a half games.

Career statistics[edit] As of 10 November 2013. Club Season League FA Cup League Cup Europe Other^{[nb 2]} Total Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Bournemouth (loan) 2000–01 29 18 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 31 19 Total 29 18 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 31 19 West Ham United 2000–01 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 2 1 2001–02 35 10 3 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 39 14 2002–03 38 8 2 2 2 1 0 0 0 0 42 11 2003–04 19 11 0 0 3 4 0 0 0 0 22 15 Total 93 29 5 6 7 6 0 0 0 0 105 41 Tottenham Hotspur 2003–04 15 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 15 7 2004–05 35 13 4 4 5 5 0 0 0 0 44 22 2005–06 36 9 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 38 9 2006–07 34 10 5 1 5 4 5 3 0 0 49 18 2007–08 19 4 2 0 5 1 5 3 0 0 31 8 Total 139 43 12 5 16 10 10 6 0 0 177 64 Portsmouth 2007–08 12 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 12 8 2008–09 19 7 0 0 0 0 4 2 1 0 24 9 Total 31 15 0 0 0 0 4 2 1 0 36 17 Tottenham Hotspur 2008–09 8 3 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 10 4 2009–10 34 18 7 5 2 1 0 0 0 0 43 24 2010–11 22 4 2 2 0 0 6 3 0 0 30 9 2011–12 25 11 6 3 1 0 6 3 0 0 38 17 2012–13 34 11 0 0 1 0 8 4 0 0 43 15 2013–14 8 0 0 0 2 2 5 7 0 0 15 9 Total 131 47 16 10 7 4 25 17 0 0 179 78 Career total 423 152 34 22 30 20 39 25 2 0 528 219

And about one goal every three appearances for England (although I suspect he's had more substitute appearances for the National side).

International statistics[edit] England national team Year Apps Goals 2004 8 1 2005 7 0 2006 6 2 2007 5 0 2008 6 3 2009 6 5 2010 7 4 2011 1 0 2012 6 2 2013 3 2 Total 55 19

I'm not interested in his career average. My discuss with MrEd is with regards his last five years premier league stats with Spurs which MrEd will furnish me with tomorrow. If you wish to do his homework for him then fine, please list his premier league goals, assists and chances created over the past five seasons in the premier league for Spurs.

Keep it nice and simple, in three lines please so we can salivate over Jermaines excellence and discuss MrEd's afternoon critique of AVB's striker selection.

Edited November 26, 2013 by carmine

[MrRed]

I thought you was bored so again .....i ask zee questions!

So are you just going to stick with Soldado then.

[carmine]

I thought you was bored so again .....i ask zee questions!

So are you just going to stick with Soldado then.

Put up or shut up MrEd. Defoe's premier league stats please......

Goals in the past five seasons ?

Assists in the past five seasons ?

Chances created in the past five seasons ?

[MrRed]

Sorry i can't be arsed

Anyway lets talk about football eh .....what about Roberto Soldildo then?

[wilai]

Bye AVB?....Backed down to evens with Ladbrokes to be next managerial departure.

[carmine]

Bye AVB?....Backed down to evens with Ladbrokes to be next managerial departure.

Wasn't Harry scrotum face Redknapp odds on with Ladbrokes to be the next England managerial! 1/3 if i remember and that didn't turn out the way he'd hoped did it!!

Nah, a decent performance next weekend and they'll turn their attentions to some other manager

[YoungBrit]

I thought you was bored so again .....i ask zee questions!

So are you just going to stick with Soldado then.

Put up or shut up MrEd. Defoe's premier league stats please......

Goals in the past five seasons ?

Assists in the past five seasons ?

Chances created in the past five seasons ?

I will do some of it....the parts that are possible....

Since Jan 08 (5 and half years ago)

162 premier league appearances (121 starts and 41 sub)

62 premier league goals.

You know I like a stat lads!

[carmine]

I thought you was bored so again .....i ask zee questions!

So are you just going to stick with Soldado then.

Put up or shut up MrEd. Defoe's premier league stats please......

Goals in the past five seasons ?

Assists in the past five seasons ?

Chances created in the past five seasons ?

I will do some of it....the parts that are possible....

Since Jan 08 (5 and half years ago)

162 premier league appearances (121 starts and 41 sub)

62 premier league goals.

You know I like a stat lads!

Cheers and i can do the others....its the square root of <deleted> all. He doesn't track back and he can't play as a loan striker. Finished hopefully with the Defoe talk MrEd

I am rather upbeat by the news that Adebayor is keen on resuming his playing career because an in form Adebyor leading the line would be just what we need. Fact of the matter is, when he wants to play and he's in good touch he's a very fine player

[YoungBrit]

I thought you was bored so again .....i ask zee questions!

So are you just going to stick with Soldado then.

Put up or shut up MrEd. Defoe's premier league stats please......

Goals in the past five seasons ?

Assists in the past five seasons ?

Chances created in the past five seasons ?

I will do some of it....the parts that are possible....

Since Jan 08 (5 and half years ago)

162 premier league appearances (121 starts and 41 sub)

62 premier league goals.

You know I like a stat lads!

Cheers and i can do the others....its the square root of <deleted> all. He doesn't track back and he can't play as a loan striker. Finished hopefully with the Defoe talk MrEd

I am rather upbeat by the news that Adebayor is keen on resuming his playing career because an in form Adebyor leading the line would be just what we need. Fact of the matter is, when he wants to play and he's in good touch he's a very fine player

No worries mate.

Why buy Soldado then? Just asking

[Chicog]

No worries mate.

Why buy Soldado then? Just asking

Because, like Liverpool with Carroll, they had a lot of spare cash.

[alfieconn]

Cheers and i can do the others....its the square root of <deleted> all. He doesn't track back and he can't play as a loan striker. Finished hopefully with the Defoe talk MrEd

I am rather upbeat by the news that Adebayor is keen on resuming his playing career because an in form Adebyor leading the line would be just what we need. Fact of the matter is, when he wants to play and he's in good touch he's a very fine player

No worries mate.

Why buy Soldado then? Just asking

A. Nobody knew what was happening with Ade.

B. Every team need two forwards in its squad.

Edited November 26, 2013 by alfieconn

[YoungBrit]

Cheers and i can do the others....its the square root of <deleted> all. He doesn't track back and he can't play as a loan striker. Finished hopefully with the Defoe talk MrEd

I am rather upbeat by the news that Adebayor is keen on resuming his playing career because an in form Adebyor leading the line would be just what we need. Fact of the matter is, when he wants to play and he's in good touch he's a very fine player

No worries mate.

Why buy Soldado then? Just asking

A. Nobody knew what was happening with Ade.

B. Every team need two forwards in its squad.

I hear you Alfie but you had/have more than 2 even without Soldado if we take into account the youngster who also plays in the Europa league.

If 'an in form Adebyor leading the line would be just what we need' surely spending 27million on a 2nd/3rd/4th could be at least be questioned?

I would speculate that 'an in form Adebyor leading the line would be just what we need' is not what AVB thinks/ thought and like you said no one knew what was happening with him including AVB. I would even suggest that he wasn't part of his plans but is now turning to him in 'desperation'.

[YoungBrit]

Not ignored, I think that Liverpools 20million is looking like value for money with our position at the moment.

Not too sure about that YB, think you'd be in the same position even if you didn't spend any money !

Fair point, improved our squad and that could come into play. Have to wait and see come May.

Can I go back to January, now we definitely got value for money in Sturridge and Coutinho.

To be fair YB, law of averages ses your going to get right sometimes

Ha ha just seen this Alfie!

Your right.......you would certainly think so wouldn't you.

[sumrit]

I thought you was bored so again .....i ask zee questions!

So are you just going to stick with Soldado then.

Put up or shut up MrEd. Defoe's premier league stats please......

Goals in the past five seasons ?

Assists in the past five seasons ?

Chances created in the past five seasons ?

I've written Defoe's stats out in more readable form for you. (I hope )

His average for the last five seasons is one goal every 2.29 games, Not quite enough on the face of it to class him a twenty goals a season striker.....................but that doesn't tell the whole story. These figures only show appearances against goals, not minute on the pitch against goals. I would suggest Defoe has been substituted/come on as a substitute in a large proportion of those appearances. I haven't got the figures to hand but would suggest using minutes on the pitch instead of appearances would give him a goals ratio much, much closer to two. And, assuming the manager picked him week in week out, that would make him a twenty goals a season striker.

If his strike rate is good enough you can't blame Defoe if his lack of goals is down to the managers failure to pick him or keep him on the pitch. Interestingly, his strike rate over the last five years is actually better than his career average.

I would suggest Carmine that, making allowances for his restricted game time, over the last five years Defoe has been a lot closer to a 'twenty goals a season' striker than you thought he was.

As for goals per chances, assists, etc, etc, it's your player you're slagging off, so I suggest you come up with the figures to prove your point yourself. if you can't, don't want to, find it all too boring,etc, I would suggest that, once again, you're looking at history through those rose tinted spectacles of your's instead of the facts. .

Defoe's career average is just over one goal every 2.41 games..

Career statistics[edit]

As of 10 November 2013.

Club Season League FA Cup League Cup Europe Other^{[nb 2]}

Total Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals

Bournemouth (loan)

2000–01 29 18 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 31 19

Total 29 18 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 31 19

West Ham United

2000–01 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 2 1

2001–02 35 10 3 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 39 14

2002–03 38 8 2 2 2 1 0 0 0 0 42 11

2003–04 19 11 0 0 3 4 0 0 0 0 22 15

Total 93 29 5 6 7 6 0 0 0 0 105 41

Tottenham Hotspur

2003–04 15 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 15 7

2004–05 35 13 4 4 5 5 0 0 0 0 44 22

2005–06 36 9 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 38 9

2006–07 34 10 5 1 5 4 5 3 0 0 49 18

2007–08 19 4 2 0 5 1 5 3 0 0 31 8

Total 139 43 12 5 16 10 10 6 0 0 177 64

Portsmouth

2007–08 12 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 12 8

2008–09 19 7 0 0 0 0 4 2 1 0 24 9

Total 31 15 0 0 0 0 4 2 1 0 36 17

Tottenham Hotspur

2008–09 8 3 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 10 4

2009–10 34 18 7 5 2 1 0 0 0 0 43 24

2010–11 22 4 2 2 0 0 6 3 0 0 30 9

2011–12 25 11 6 3 1 0 6 3 0 0 38 17

2012–13 34 11 0 0 1 0 8 4 0 0 43 15

2013–14 8 0 0 0 2 2 5 7 0 0 15 9

Total 131 47 16 10 7 4 25 17 0 0 179 78

Career total 423 152 34 22 30 20 39 25 2 0 528 219

And about one goal every three appearances for England (although I suspect he's had even more substitute appearances for the National side).

International statistics[edit]

England national team

Year Apps Goals

2004 8 1

2005 7 0 1

2006 6 2

2007 5 0

2008 6 3

2009 6 5

2010 7 4

2011 1 0

2012 6 2

2013 3 2

Total 55 19

Edited November 26, 2013 by sumrit

[alfieconn]

And Alfie some of your lot who i must say have been absent said taht you would win the league and qualify for the champions league this season top four an all that

Why are you addressing it to me if i didn't say it

And you go on the scouse thread giving it large when at the moment they are way ahead of you

A. whats it got to do with you if i go on the scousers thread

B. so 4 points is way ahead now is it ?

Only two weeks ago you was larging it up over on the United thread a little bit of banter back your way and you get all defensive and insulting. Let's face it Avb is <deleted> and you are in denial

Man up Red, what are you talking about defensive and insulting, get out of my army

Judging from your above posts Red it seems like your struggling with any sort of argument

[alfieconn]

Additionally, Defoe is a striker who has a low conversion rate at the best of times. But when he’s struggling he’ll spurn even the best chances, as he did on what should have been a tap-in goal against Aston Villa off a Gareth Bale cross. The best way to illustrate this is in the chart below. It shows the conversion rate (goals-to-shots ratio) of every Premier League striker with ten or more goals entering last weekend. The scale stretches from Defoe–a 10% conversion rate–to Frank Lampard–a 25% conversion rate, a number that is somewhat inflated by the number of goals he’s scored from the spot(4):

[alfieconn]

Too trigger happy - Possibly the biggest impediment in Defoe’s game is his over-eagerness to strike the ball whenever he sees the white posts in his peripheral vision. Jermian averages a shot roughly every 28.1 minutes, with a lot of them struck from outside the box. He often takes out his frustrations from fading in and out of games with an ill-advised pop at goal, resulting in a poor chance conversion rate of just 13% this season, down from his 22% of last season. Not only does this shoot on sight policy hinder Defoe’s progress into a top class finisher, he also hurts the team’s passing moves, more often than not opting to shoot in favour of passing to a teammate in a better position.

Not involved enough – Defoe lacks any sort of physical presence and so a physical battle in the air or down the channels often results in him losing the battle. Instead, Defoe likes to pull off the front of his defender and the 18-yard box early to allow him more time and space on the ball. Recently he has been very ineffective with this style of play though, he has had only 219 touches of the ball in 2013 thus far which is simply not enough. Most of these touches have not been meaningful and are usually him passing backwards. In order for Jermain to build a level of consistency in his performances again he must demand more of the ball and utilise his great dribbling ability to manoeuvre himself into better goal scoring positions on the pitch.

[mad mary]

Additionally, Defoe is a striker who has a low conversion rate at the best of times. But when he’s struggling he’ll spurn even the best chances, as he did on what should have been a tap-in goal against Aston Villa off a Gareth Bale cross. The best way to illustrate this is in the chart below. It shows the conversion rate (goals-to-shots ratio) of every Premier League striker with ten or more goals entering last weekend. The scale stretches from Defoe–a 10% conversion rate–to Frank Lampard–a 25% conversion rate, a number that is somewhat inflated by the number of goals he’s scored from the spot(4):

Too trigger happy - Possibly the biggest impediment in Defoe’s game is his over-eagerness to strike the ball whenever he sees the white posts in his peripheral vision. Jermian averages a shot roughly every 28.1 minutes, with a lot of them struck from outside the box. He often takes out his frustrations from fading in and out of games with an ill-advised pop at goal, resulting in a poor chance conversion rate of just 13% this season, down from his 22% of last season. Not only does this shoot on sight policy hinder Defoe’s progress into a top class finisher, he also hurts the team’s passing moves, more often than not opting to shoot in favour of passing to a teammate in a better position.

Not involved enough – Defoe lacks any sort of physical presence and so a physical battle in the air or down the channels often results in him losing the battle. Instead, Defoe likes to pull off the front of his defender and the 18-yard box early to allow him more time and space on the ball. Recently he has been very ineffective with this style of play though, he has had only 219 touches of the ball in 2013 thus far which is simply not enough. Most of these touches have not been meaningful and are usually him passing backwards. In order for Jermain to build a level of consistency in his performances again he must demand more of the ball and utilise his great dribbling ability to manoeuvre himself into better goal scoring positions on the pitch.

Did you pen all that yourself Alfieconn?

[alfieconn]

Additionally, Defoe is a striker who has a low conversion rate at the best of times. But when he’s struggling he’ll spurn even the best chances, as he did on what should have been a tap-in goal against Aston Villa off a Gareth Bale cross. The best way to illustrate this is in the chart below. It shows the conversion rate (goals-to-shots ratio) of every Premier League striker with ten or more goals entering last weekend. The scale stretches from Defoe–a 10% conversion rate–to Frank Lampard–a 25% conversion rate, a number that is somewhat inflated by the number of goals he’s scored from the spot(4):

Too trigger happy - Possibly the biggest impediment in Defoe’s game is his over-eagerness to strike the ball whenever he sees the white posts in his peripheral vision. Jermian averages a shot roughly every 28.1 minutes, with a lot of them struck from outside the box. He often takes out his frustrations from fading in and out of games with an ill-advised pop at goal, resulting in a poor chance conversion rate of just 13% this season, down from his 22% of last season. Not only does this shoot on sight policy hinder Defoe’s progress into a top class finisher, he also hurts the team’s passing moves, more often than not opting to shoot in favour of passing to a teammate in a better position.

Not involved enough – Defoe lacks any sort of physical presence and so a physical battle in the air or down the channels often results in him losing the battle. Instead, Defoe likes to pull off the front of his defender and the 18-yard box early to allow him more time and space on the ball. Recently he has been very ineffective with this style of play though, he has had only 219 touches of the ball in 2013 thus far which is simply not enough. Most of these touches have not been meaningful and are usually him passing backwards. In order for Jermain to build a level of consistency in his performances again he must demand more of the ball and utilise his great dribbling ability to manoeuvre himself into better goal scoring positions on the pitch.

Did you pen all that yourself Alfieconn?

Don't be so silly !

[mad mary]

Why are you trying to take credit for it then?

Plagiarism?

Edited November 26, 2013 by mad mary

[mrbojangles]

and what ever people say City were not as good as the scoreline suggests more that they actually were clinical in the chances they created and took.

Yep. 6 lucky goals eh !!!! Isn't the whole point of football to create and score goals? We created and scored 6 and so we were exactly as good as the scoreline suggests. Non of our goals were lucky or through dodgy decisions. They were all good goals which we created and clinically put away.

Real City followers know that this victory was more a case of you performing badly due to poor team selection than them playing extremely well.

Give over man and give credit were credit is due for once. I suppose when we whooped you it was down to your poor team selection?

[MrRed]

and what ever people say City were not as good as the scoreline suggests more that they actually were clinical in the chances they created and took.

Yep. 6 lucky goals eh !!!! Isn't the whole point of football to create and score goals? We created and scored 6 and so we were exactly as good as the scoreline suggests. Non of our goals were lucky or through dodgy decisions. They were all good goals which we created and clinically put away.

Real City followers know that this victory was more a case of you performing badly due to poor team selection than them playing extremely well.

Give over man and give credit were credit is due for once. I suppose when we whooped you it was down to your poor team selection?

1.That is what i said you were clinical i never said you were lucky.

2.Look at the possession stats and you were at home against a really beaten team at half time.....Toure made a great goal for Aguero but that was it he was very average.If you had taken other easy chances you should of scored 10 seriously.Spurs made it very easy for you.

[macksview]

just hope they did not show the city game wherever my dearly departed father and grandfather rest, they could deal with spurs losing to a better side or playing all over the top of the other team then losing, but not being disgraced.