German businessman dies of gun wound in Pattaya

[razer]

I think the RTP should learn how to do a Gunshot Residue Test. It would make their job easy in finding the shooter ... any shooter.

[kiwikeith]

Guy was a woman beater, fooled around on his girlfriend, she told him it was over and she was leaving him, he shoots himself.

Moral of the story: Don't have pictures of other women on your not-so-smart phone.

They can have gig, no problem for them but if they find you cheating it's a threat to their ATM and boy they can perform.

The home made gun is a bit suspect you would think if you wanted a gun a real one is easy to get, on the other hand a Gig might have a homemade one.

Food for thought that's all.

[gamini]

Why on earth do well-educated men ruin their lives over scamming bar girls?

Speculating perhaps but the odds are this is the fact

I guess the answer to his is that no girl in thier own country would give them a second look. Thats why they are here.

[gyrosman]

Yea, the first thing I want to do on holiday is make my own hand gun just in case I want to blow my brains out over a bar girl in thailand. She must of been worth it. Oh! is my ATM card still in my room? But, the orginal plan was to jump out the window but my room is on the first floor hence my shop project, I even made my own bullets while going thru the airport. Planning is always best. This one is a CSI Las Vegas job.j

[Soutpeel]

I don't know how much forensic testing Thais can do. Just as important, I don't know how much they will do.

Gunshot residue on hands is just one. The distance the gun was from his head is easily determined by the spreading of the powder residue. Then there's the angle the bullet entered needing to be consistent with his ability and normal way to hold the gun.

There's a lot more. Suicide seems to me to be an easy answer.

Where is Columbo when you need him ?

on the Koh Tao murder(s) thread

[Soutpeel]

I cannot believe some of the comments, assumptions, and accusations here. I know these people, and some of the morons commenting on this site have little better to do than comment on things and people they know nothing about....Alan Aunuum, Neeranum and so many others making comments, without knowing the background and current situation of people involved. You are incorrect on so many points and prove yourselves to be idiots with very boring lives

Well If you are aware of other facts around this enlighten people then, if not then you just spouting hot air then

[ToddinChonburi]

She looks good for having her ass kicked at 5:00 am . maybe she shot him in the head while he was sleeping.

lets let forensics do there job.

[longstebe]

555 for this very smart girl's fairy tail.

1. So she found a picture of new girl.

2. She wanted to make end of relationship.

3. The guy killed himself.

555555555555555555555555555555555

RIP German buddy, if you take 20 yrs old Isaan girl from bar this is not a life-insurance.

Where does it say she was from Isaan?

Was it the same place where it says she was 20 years of age and not 22?

[Dogmatix]

Seems strange. Why would he bother to kill himself because a bar girl told him she was leaving? There are thousands more in Pattaya and easy to replace her, if he still had money. If he didn't have money any more, then of course he couldn't expect to keep her or any other bar girl.

Who provided the home made .38? Is this normal household equipment of German businessmen in Thailand? What kind of business was he running?

Unfortunately Mr Grudda is no longer available to tell his version of the story which would likely have been quite different from the one related by Ms Sunaree.

[Dogmatix]

She looks good for having her ass kicked at 5:00 am . maybe she shot him in the head while he was sleeping.

lets let forensics do there job.

There are no independent forensics in Thailand apart from the tiny skeleton crew at the Justice Ministry under Khunying Pornthip, who can only work by invitation. Otherwise Thai police have the monopoly on forensics. Go figure.

[Jungle Jim]

German+ Alcoholic+Pattaya+Bar Girl - Common Sense = DEAD Nothing new happens everyday in Thailand.

[Neeranam]

Why on earth do well-educated men ruin their lives over scamming bar girls?

Speculating perhaps but the odds are this is the fact

"well educated"???

Agreed, where in the article does it indicate that this guy was well-educated!?

aren't all Germans well educated compared to a Thai Isarn girl who left rural school at 14.

[Dogmatix]

Yea, the first thing I want to do on holiday is make my own hand gun just in case I want to blow my brains out over a bar girl in thailand. She must of been worth it. Oh! is my ATM card still in my room? But, the orginal plan was to jump out the window but my room is on the first floor hence my shop project, I even made my own bullets while going thru the airport. Planning is always best. This one is a CSI Las Vegas job.j

You can see these things advertised on Thai websites for about 5,000 baht. Police don't seem to shut down the websites, so must be involved in the trade themselves. These handguns fold open with a hinge to insert a single cartrdge and are smooth bore without rifling. A lot of Thai thugs prefer the models that take a 12 gauge shotgun round. The lack of rifling is no disadvantage there and spread pattern of the pellets compensates for the lack of accuracy. The only problem is that the muzzle velocity created by a 12 guage shotgun shell detonating is somewhere up there with a .44 magnum cartridge. Many of these hoods end up blowing themselves up or losing fingers, hands or eyes. Darwinism at work.

If Mr Grudda really bought this thing for himself, he must have been engaged in some dangerous type of business. More likely that the bar girl's Thai boyfriend provided the weapon and assisted Mr Grudda with his suicide, one would have thought.

[Mot Dang]

555 for this very smart girl's fairy tail.

1. So she found a picture of new girl.

2. She wanted to make end of relationship.

3. The guy killed himself.

555555555555555555555555555555555

RIP German buddy, if you take 20 yrs old Isaan girl from bar this is not a life-insurance.

Where does it say she was from Isaan?

Was it the same place where it says she was 20 years of age and not 22?

He was with her for 2 years, she is currently 22.

I am sick to death with all the Isaan bashers on TV. The drivel just goes on and on. I have lived in the Buriram panhandle for 34 years with my wonderful wife, family and extended family, and only see good hard working people. Issan bashers know SFA about Issan, all their knowledge comes from listening to other bar fly's, and reading what poisoness bile some politician is spreading in the news papers and on television. Same, same, and yet the same. And some I doubt even live in the Kingdom. Would-be's-if-they-could-be's. Have some respect please, your not talking about your own neighborhood, or possibly you are.

[catweazle]

Bang! Another wife beater bites the dust and guess what - I don't give a letter F about whether or not he shot himself.

[gigman]

Thai's "ladies" just have easy solution to get rid of "naive sucker" in time before ATM will closed down.

Simply, no one really cares about farang and there will be more and more "suicidal" farangs because Thai girls learn quickly from others ....

One thing I learned in Los:

never ever girls want to leave me even when I demanded to have another one in the same time. Knowing or even guessing that I still have money....my girlfriends were crying and getting furious. ..but finally stayed. ...

This case is even more convincing seeing business potential ...not to leave this man...so easly.

Thai's girls are fighters. .!!!

They do not give up so easly untill they have better "milking cow" in their focus.

They decides if man should stay....and if man don't want to ..they "make him stay" or his "charlie" ....permanently.

And law.......555 every farang knows on which side is in Los.

[Jungle Jim]

Does not matter how smart you are if you have no common sense which is serious lacking with many foreigners. The so called dumb Thai bar girl wins every time. Thai Bar girl. Score 1,000.000.000 Foreigner with no common sense. 0

Why on earth do well-educated men ruin their lives over scamming bar girls?

Speculating perhaps but the odds are this is the fact

"well educated"???

Agreed, where in the article does it indicate that this guy was well-educated!?

aren't all Germans well educated compared to a Thai Isarn girl who left rural school at 14.

[callaway]

RIP. One thing for sure is you had a good eye for the ladies. She is one sweet looking lass

[elgordo38]

Wonder if the Thai BIB are smart enough, or have the technology to do a GSR test on the man AND the woman?

Why rock the boat just another suicide case closed!

[chrisinth]

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yeah as if,more like he was pissed of with her attitude,told her to pack her bags and go,she saw the ATM was closing so decided to close her account permenantly

...or she was pissed off with him screwing anything with a pussy & a pulse whilst being in a "relationship" with her.

Thailand is the best and the hardest place in the world to be in a faithful relationship.

However, I might be wrong on that, but I have heard a thousand one-sided sob-stories whilst living in this beautiful country! (Almost all of them from farang men).

I assume it was the male version of the thousand one-sided sob-stories that you heard. (Ooops,just saw most of them were from farang men!)

Never had a problem with relationships in this country (apart from the normal little mutterings that come from 16 years of marriage), so now at least you have heard at least one from the positive side......................

Bit strange that you might believe that the girl might be pissed off if he was screwing anything with a pulse, as I'm sure that idea would not have been mentioned too much in the other one thousand one-sided sob-stories you have listened to........................

[FredNL]

Why on earth do well-educated men ruin their lives over scamming bar girls?

Speculating perhaps but the odds are this is the fact

They're &lt;deleted&gt;!n' good in bed...

[elgordo38]

I believe the story.

I have met just so many wacko falang over the past 30 years in Thailand. Some are so unstable that it is more than likely that they are going tap themselves, given the right amount of emotional push. The writing mostly is already on the wall. And Thai women are more than capable of pushing unstable guys over the edge.

However 40 year old guys who take on 20 year old "girls" need their heads read. And they are only girls, kids even. Look at the amount of fluffy toys that they always have in their bedrooms, or dangling from their handbags. You very rarely can get a decent conversation out of a 20 yo Thai bird, even when she speaks reasonable English, or goes to Uni. (many of the very young girls in Soi Cowboy are Uni students getting by). The generation and cultural gaps are just far too wide. Most falang only having them hanging around as trophy gf's.

Boy am I lucky then turning 77 this year and my g/f turns 26. Her brain is mature for her age. Been together 4 yrs. still going strong. I still better check under the pillow in case she has a gun there. Ah heck I am getting paranoid.

[sweatalot]

She looks good for having her ass kicked at 5:00 am . maybe she shot him in the head while he was sleeping.

lets let forensics do there job.

let forensics do there job.

do you really think they will be informed?

[Time Traveller]

Why on earth do well-educated men ruin their lives over scamming bar girls?

Speculating perhaps but the odds are this is the fact

The odds are Neeranam you are drunk, high, or a lunatic.

No where in the article does it say anything about what these people do except that the victim is a businessman (who coincidentally does appear to be the same person involved with criminal case of document forgery in Pattaya previously). It does not say anything about him being "well-educated" but it does mention that he may have a history of woman beating.

[Jungle Jim]

I think you hit a nerve. How you seen how some of these pigs/losers treat Thai women ?

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yeah as if,more like he was pissed of with her attitude,told her to pack her bags and go,she saw the ATM was closing so decided to close her account permenantly

...or she was pissed off with him screwing anything with a pussy & a pulse whilst being in a "relationship" with her.

Thailand is the best and the hardest place in the world to be in a faithful relationship.

However, I might be wrong on that, but I have heard a thousand one-sided sob-stories whilst living in this beautiful country! (Almost all of them from farang men).

I assume it was the male version of the thousand one-sided sob-stories that you heard. (Ooops,just saw most of them were from farang men!)

Never had a problem with relationships in this country (apart from the normal little mutterings that come from 16 years of marriage), so now at least you have heard at least one from the positive side......................

Bit strange that you might believe that the girl might be pissed off if he was screwing anything with a pulse, as I'm sure that idea would not have been mentioned too much in the other one thousand one-sided sob-stories you have listened to........................

[kinmaew]

Yet another day in Patts where "True love can be found" - I recommend seeing the lovely Nok on Soi 8 for some short term thrills and then call it a day (Without her) and remember to "rubber up" as Alan Partridge said to the students.

[callaway]

I believe the story.

I have met just so many wacko falang over the past 30 years in Thailand. Some are so unstable that it is more than likely that they are going tap themselves, given the right amount of emotional push. The writing mostly is already on the wall. And Thai women are more than capable of pushing unstable guys over the edge.

However 40 year old guys who take on 20 year old "girls" need their heads read. And they are only girls, kids even. Look at the amount of fluffy toys that they always have in their bedrooms, or dangling from their handbags. You very rarely can get a decent conversation out of a 20 yo Thai bird, even when she speaks reasonable English, or goes to Uni. (many of the very young girls in Soi Cowboy are Uni students getting by). The generation and cultural gaps are just far too wide. Most falang only having them hanging around as trophy gf's.

Boy am I lucky then turning 77 this year and my g/f turns 26. Her brain is mature for her age. Been together 4 yrs. still going strong. I still better check under the pillow in case she has a gun there. Ah heck I am getting paranoid.

Elgordo, you must be so proud of yourself. Your kids would be so chuffed too. You 77 and her 26. That is just so wrong on all counts. She is probably younger than your grand kids.

[Jungle Jim]

Sorry to say that is high on the gross level. I bet i know where he met his darling. Don,t be shocked when her Thai boyfriend suddenly arrives at your door.

I believe the story.

I have met just so many wacko falang over the past 30 years in Thailand. Some are so unstable that it is more than likely that they are going tap themselves, given the right amount of emotional push. The writing mostly is already on the wall. And Thai women are more than capable of pushing unstable guys over the edge.

However 40 year old guys who take on 20 year old "girls" need their heads read. And they are only girls, kids even. Look at the amount of fluffy toys that they always have in their bedrooms, or dangling from their handbags. You very rarely can get a decent conversation out of a 20 yo Thai bird, even when she speaks reasonable English, or goes to Uni. (many of the very young girls in Soi Cowboy are Uni students getting by). The generation and cultural gaps are just far too wide. Most falang only having them hanging around as trophy gf's.

Boy am I lucky then turning 77 this year and my g/f turns 26. Her brain is mature for her age. Been together 4 yrs. still going strong. I still better check under the pillow in case she has a gun there. Ah heck I am getting paranoid.

Elgordo, you must be so proud of yourself. Your kids would be so chuffed too. You 77 and her 26. That is just so wrong on all counts. She is probably younger than your grand kids.

[northernphil]

wonder who gets the wine business

Makes you wonder if llegit. Claret all over the bed for sure.

[BlueSkyCowboy]

yeah as if,more like he was pissed of with her attitude,told her to pack her bags and go,she saw the ATM was closing so decided to close her account permenantly

How would a Tourist get a home made gun???