No nuke agreement yet: Iran talks push past deadline

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No nuke agreement yet: Iran talks push past deadline
By MATTHEW LEE and GEORGE JAHN

LAUSANNE, Switzerland (AP) — With stubborn disputes unresolved, nuclear talks between Iran and six world powers pushed past a self-imposed deadline and into overtime Wednesday as negotiators renewed marathon efforts to hammer out the outline of an agreement.

Enough progress had been made to warrant the extension past Tuesday midnight, State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf said, although there still were "several difficult issues" to bridge.

Secretary of State John Kerry, who had planned to leave the talks on Tuesday, was remaining. And an Iranian negotiator said his team could stay "as long as necessary" to clear the remaining hurdles.

The decision came after six days of efforts to reach a preliminary understanding by Tuesday midnight, drawing in foreign ministers from all seven nations at the table — Iran, the United States, Russia, China, Britain, France and Germany.

After more than a decade of diplomatic efforts to limit Tehran's nuclear advances, the present talks already had been extended twice, demonstrating the difficulties of reaching an agreement that meets the demands of both sides.

The U.S. and its negotiating partners demand curbs on Iranian nuclear activities that could be used to make weapons, and they say any agreement must extend the time Tehran would need to produce a weapon from the present several months to at least a year. The Iranians deny such military intentions, but they are negotiating with the aim that a deal will end sanctions on their economy.

In Washington, White House press secretary Josh Earnest suggested that talks meant to produce an outline that would allow the sides to continue negotiations until the June 30 final deadline had not bridged all gaps. He said the sides were working to produce a text with few specifics, accompanied by documents outlining areas where further talks were needed

"If we are making progress toward the finish line, then we should keep going," he said.

Officials had hoped to wrap up the current talks by Tuesday night with that joint general statement agreeing to start a new phase of negotiations to curb Iran's nuclear program. That statement would be accompanied by more detailed documents that would include technical information on understandings of steps required on all sides to resolve outstanding concerns.

Those documents would allow the sides to claim that the new phase of talks would not simply be a continuation of negotiations that have already been twice extended since an interim agreement between Iran and the so-called P5+1 nations was concluded in November 2013.

President Barack Obama and other leaders have said they are not interested in simply a third extension.

The softening of the language from a framework "agreement" to a framework "understanding" appeared due in part to opposition to a two-stage agreement from Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Earlier this year, he demanded only one deal that would nail down specifics and not permit the other side to "make things difficult" by giving it wiggle room on interpretations.

But if the parties agree only to a broad framework that leaves key details unresolved, Obama can expect stiff opposition at home from members of Congress who want to move forward with new, stiffer Iran sanctions. Lawmakers had agreed to hold off on such a measure through March while the parties negotiated.

The White House says new sanctions would scuttle further diplomatic efforts to contain Iran's nuclear work and possibly lead Israel to act on threats to use military force to accomplish that goal.

Critics will likely accuse the Obama administration of backing away from promises of a tougher March agreement. Kerry late last year said the focus for March was agreement on "the major elements" of a comprehensive deal that would set a "clear path" for a June deal. If that failed to materialize, "we can revisit how we then want to choose to proceed," he added.

Obstacles remain on several main issues — uranium enrichment, where stockpiles of enriched uranium should be stored, limits on Iran's nuclear research and development and the timing and scope of sanctions among other issues, according to negotiators.

In Israel, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu renewed his severe criticism of the unfolding deal, saying it would leave intact much of Iran's nuclear infrastructure, including underground research facilities, a plutonium reactor and advanced centrifuges capable of enriching uranium.

The U.S. says any final deal will accomplish a goal of stretching the time Iran would need to make a nuclear weapon from several months to a year. But Netanyahu said Washington initially promised "years" to a breakout time.

"In our estimate, it will be reduced to perhaps a year, most likely much less than that," he said.

Kerry and others, including Mohammad Javad Zarif, the Iranian foreign minister, have said the sides have made some progress. Other officials have said Iran is considering demands for further cuts to its uranium enrichment program but pushing back on how long it must limit technology it could use to make atomic arms.

Tehran says it wants to enrich only for energy, science, industry and medicine. But many countries fear Iran could use the technology to make weapons-grade uranium.
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White House Correspondents Julie Pace and Darlene Superville contributed.


-- (c) Associated Press 2015-04-01

[snarky66]

Kerry got played yet again. About a strong and powerful as a jellyfish.

[CMNightRider]

Kerry got played yet again. About a strong and powerful as a jellyfish.

John Kerry is the male version of Jane (Hanoi Jane) Fonda. Obama along with John Kerry are Israel's latest threat. OMG!

[SheungWan]

Kerry got played yet again. About a strong and powerful as a jellyfish.

It is unfortunate but John Kerry's whole demeanour appears to signal weakness.

Edited April 1, 2015 by SheungWan

[Publicus]

The ayatollahs are desperate for a deal.

They need access to USD$. Banks in Iran to include the Central Bank were cut off by the EU in 2012 from the SWIFT global electronic banking system in Belgium that processes $6 Trillion a day, almost all of it in USD$. The exclusion is what brought Iran back to the current negotiations.

The elected reform government needs to release 1 million barrels of oil daily back into global markets, even given the current ppb which is less than $50 when Iran's break even point is $100 pb. For a long time now Iran has been getting zero dollars for zero barrels in the global market.

Investors are in long lines to enter Iran as soon as a final agreement is concluded in June or July and Iran is ready to roll out the carpets for them.

Iran is focused on sanctions, the P5+1 are focused on nuclear weapons technologies. This is the perfect and classic format for a final negotiated agreement no matter who is negotiating what, where, when or why.

Each side needs and wants something, each side is ready to enter an agreement. Each side is negotiating.

Iran’s Hard-Liners Show Restraint on Nuclear Talks With U.S.

By THOMAS ERDBRINK

MARCH 23, 2015

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, in a speech Saturday, said Iran’s establishment favored negotiations over the country’s nuclear program.

Credit Office of the Supreme Leader, via European Pressphoto Agency,

“They have been remarkably quiet,” said Nader Karimi Joni, a former member of the Revolutionary Guards and the Basij, a volunteer paramilitary group.

Their silence is a result of state policies intended by Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, to seriously try to find a solution through negotiations. Ayatollah Khamenei has largely supported the nuclear talks and the Iranian negotiators, whom he has called “good and caring people, who work for the country.”

Billboards in Tehran once depicting United States negotiators as commandos and devils have been replaced by slogans supporting the international outreach of the government of President Hassan Rouhani, a moderate who won office promising to complete the nuclear deal and end crippling economic sanctions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/24/world/middleeast/irans-hard-liners-nuclear-talks.html?_r=0

[Linky]

Well done Mr Kerry. Keep it going and it looks like it can be mutually resolved by all parties by the June deadline.

[ggold]

Obama is desperate for any kind of deal. The Iranians have him over a barrel.

[ezzra]

Those Iranians carpet merchants can run around circles every so call seasoned US and European

negotiators, they are smart and cunning and want to rule as much of the world they can..

they will drag and delay, drag and delay until one day the world will wake up to a nuclear

capable Iran...

[ggold]

The ayatollahs are desperate for a deal.

They need access to USD$. Banks in Iran to include the Central Bank were cut off by the EU in 2012 from the SWIFT global electronic banking system in Belgium that processes $6 Trillion a day, almost all of it in USD$. The exclusion is what brought Iran back to the current negotiations.

The elected reform government needs to release 1 million barrels of oil daily back into global markets, even given the current ppb which is less than $50 when Iran's break even point is $100 pb. For a long time now Iran has been getting zero dollars for zero barrels in the global market.

Investors are in long lines to enter Iran as soon as a final agreement is concluded in June or July and Iran is ready to roll out the carpets for them.

Iran is focused on sanctions, the P5+1 are focused on nuclear weapons technologies. This is the perfect and classic format for a final negotiated agreement no matter who is negotiating what, where, when or why.

Each side needs and wants something, each side is ready to enter an agreement. Each side is negotiating.

Iran’s Hard-Liners Show Restraint on Nuclear Talks With U.S.

By THOMAS ERDBRINK

MARCH 23, 2015

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, in a speech Saturday, said Iran’s establishment favored negotiations over the country’s nuclear program.

Credit Office of the Supreme Leader, via European Pressphoto Agency,

“They have been remarkably quiet,” said Nader Karimi Joni, a former member of the Revolutionary Guards and the Basij, a volunteer paramilitary group.

Their silence is a result of state policies intended by Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, to seriously try to find a solution through negotiations. Ayatollah Khamenei has largely supported the nuclear talks and the Iranian negotiators, whom he has called “good and caring people, who work for the country.”

Billboards in Tehran once depicting United States negotiators as commandos and devils have been replaced by slogans supporting the international outreach of the government of President Hassan Rouhani, a moderate who won office promising to complete the nuclear deal and end crippling economic sanctions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/24/world/middleeast/irans-hard-liners-nuclear-talks.html?_r=0

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/03/23/iranian-president-over-the-weekend-death-to-america-n1974934

Ian’s Supreme leader Ali Khamenei called for “Death to America” on Saturday, a day after President Barack Obama appealed to Iran to seize a “historic opportunity” for a nuclear deal and a better future, and as US Secretary of State John Kerry claimed substantial progress toward an accord.

Khamenei told a crowd in Tehran that Iran would not capitulate to Western demands. When the crowd started shouting, “Death to America,” the ayatollah responded: “Of course yes, death to America, because America is the original source of this pressure.

[NeverSure]

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/03/23/iranian-president-over-the-weekend-death-to-america-n1974934

Ian’s Supreme leader Ali Khamenei called for “Death to America” on Saturday, a day after President Barack Obama appealed to Iran to seize a “historic opportunity” for a nuclear deal and a better future, and as US Secretary of State John Kerry claimed substantial progress toward an accord.

Khamenei told a crowd in Tehran that Iran would not capitulate to Western demands. When the crowd started shouting, “Death to America,” the ayatollah responded: “Of course yes, death to America, because America is the original source of this pressure.

I'm just hoping that Russia and Germany and France and even pressure from the Arab coalition led by Saudi keep the heat on and stop this.

[NeverSure]

The ayatollahs are desperate for a deal.

They need access to USD$. Banks in Iran to include the Central Bank were cut off by the EU in 2012 from the SWIFT global electronic banking system in Belgium that processes $6 Trillion a day, almost all of it in USD$. The exclusion is what brought Iran back to the current negotiations.

The elected reform government needs to release 1 million barrels of oil daily back into global markets, even given the current ppb which is less than $50 when Iran's break even point is $100 pb. For a long time now Iran has been getting zero dollars for zero barrels in the global market.

Investors are in long lines to enter Iran as soon as a final agreement is concluded in June or July and Iran is ready to roll out the carpets for them.

Iran is focused on sanctions, the P5+1 are focused on nuclear weapons technologies. This is the perfect and classic format for a final negotiated agreement no matter who is negotiating what, where, when or why.

Each side needs and wants something, each side is ready to enter an agreement. Each side is negotiating.

Iran’s Hard-Liners Show Restraint on Nuclear Talks With U.S.

By THOMAS ERDBRINK

MARCH 23, 2015

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, in a speech Saturday, said Iran’s establishment favored negotiations over the country’s nuclear program.

Credit Office of the Supreme Leader, via European Pressphoto Agency,

“They have been remarkably quiet,” said Nader Karimi Joni, a former member of the Revolutionary Guards and the Basij, a volunteer paramilitary group.

Their silence is a result of state policies intended by Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, to seriously try to find a solution through negotiations. Ayatollah Khamenei has largely supported the nuclear talks and the Iranian negotiators, whom he has called “good and caring people, who work for the country.”

Billboards in Tehran once depicting United States negotiators as commandos and devils have been replaced by slogans supporting the international outreach of the government of President Hassan Rouhani, a moderate who won office promising to complete the nuclear deal and end crippling economic sanctions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/24/world/middleeast/irans-hard-liners-nuclear-talks.html?_r=0

Do you really think that Supreme leader Ali Khamenei wants to do more than negotiate, as you quote him as saying? Iran has always loved to negotiate because it buys them time. Right now they want sanctions lifted so they are negotiating, but not in good faith. They know Obama is weak because he doesn't have a cohesive foreign policy, and he wants to look (what he thinks is) good to the world.

This is an ego trip for Obama and a nightmare for the allies. I'm glad the allies can veto.

[Publicus]

The ayatollahs are desperate for a deal.

They need access to USD$. Banks in Iran to include the Central Bank were cut off by the EU in 2012 from the SWIFT global electronic banking system in Belgium that processes $6 Trillion a day, almost all of it in USD$. The exclusion is what brought Iran back to the current negotiations.

The elected reform government needs to release 1 million barrels of oil daily back into global markets, even given the current ppb which is less than $50 when Iran's break even point is $100 pb. For a long time now Iran has been getting zero dollars for zero barrels in the global market.

Investors are in long lines to enter Iran as soon as a final agreement is concluded in June or July and Iran is ready to roll out the carpets for them.

Iran is focused on sanctions, the P5+1 are focused on nuclear weapons technologies. This is the perfect and classic format for a final negotiated agreement no matter who is negotiating what, where, when or why.

Each side needs and wants something, each side is ready to enter an agreement. Each side is negotiating.

Iran’s Hard-Liners Show Restraint on Nuclear Talks With U.S.

By THOMAS ERDBRINK

MARCH 23, 2015

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, in a speech Saturday, said Iran’s establishment favored negotiations over the country’s nuclear program.

Credit Office of the Supreme Leader, via European Pressphoto Agency,

“They have been remarkably quiet,” said Nader Karimi Joni, a former member of the Revolutionary Guards and the Basij, a volunteer paramilitary group.

Their silence is a result of state policies intended by Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, to seriously try to find a solution through negotiations. Ayatollah Khamenei has largely supported the nuclear talks and the Iranian negotiators, whom he has called “good and caring people, who work for the country.”

Billboards in Tehran once depicting United States negotiators as commandos and devils have been replaced by slogans supporting the international outreach of the government of President Hassan Rouhani, a moderate who won office promising to complete the nuclear deal and end crippling economic sanctions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/24/world/middleeast/irans-hard-liners-nuclear-talks.html?_r=0

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/03/23/iranian-president-over-the-weekend-death-to-america-n1974934

Ian’s Supreme leader Ali Khamenei called for “Death to America” on Saturday, a day after President Barack Obama appealed to Iran to seize a “historic opportunity” for a nuclear deal and a better future, and as US Secretary of State John Kerry claimed substantial progress toward an accord.

Khamenei told a crowd in Tehran that Iran would not capitulate to Western demands. When the crowd started shouting, “Death to America,” the ayatollah responded: “Of course yes, death to America, because America is the original source of this pressure.

Obligatory red meat to the hard-line mob in Tehran, same as the "Death to America" red meat thrown out by the hard-line mob on the other side who are opposed to a final agreement.

The hard right can't stand it that, after 35+ years of lightening bolts crackling back and forth between Tehran and Washington, the sights and sounds coming out of these negotiations are statements such as "positive developments" and other statements such as "encouraging discussions" and other statements along the lines of "meaningful dialogue."

They currently are working off an Interim Agreement.....Agreement.

It's all diplomatic talk, yes, but much better stuff than had been going on since 1979.

[Daniel Ingalls]

No one is mentioning about the millions of dollars we are giving Iranians just to show up at the talks. Now they are holding back on key issues just to get millions more.......This is called: EXTORTION MONEY

[NeverSure]

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/03/23/iranian-president-over-the-weekend-death-to-america-n1974934

Ian’s Supreme leader Ali Khamenei called for “Death to America” on Saturday, a day after President Barack Obama appealed to Iran to seize a “historic opportunity” for a nuclear deal and a better future, and as US Secretary of State John Kerry claimed substantial progress toward an accord.

Khamenei told a crowd in Tehran that Iran would not capitulate to Western demands. When the crowd started shouting, “Death to America,” the ayatollah responded: “Of course yes, death to America, because America is the original source of this pressure.

Obligatory red meat to the hard-line mob in Tehran, same as the "Death to America" red meat thrown out by the hard-line mob on the other side who are opposed to a final agreement.

The hard right can't stand it that, after 35+ years of lightening bolts crackling back and forth between Tehran and Washington, the sights and sounds coming out of these negotiations are statements such as "positive developments" and other statements such as "encouraging discussions" and other statements along the lines of "meaningful dialogue."

They currently are working off an Interim Agreement.....Agreement.

It's all diplomatic talk, yes, but much better stuff than had been going on since 1979.

Get back to me when a deal including verification is signed by Germany, Russia, China, France, and the UK.

BREAKING NEWS

Iran, Group 5+1 reach final agreement in Geneva (UPDATE)

Nov 24, 2013

Google indexed it 11/2013

Edited April 1, 2015 by NeverSure

[SheungWan]

Well done Mr Kerry. Keep it going and it looks like it can be mutually resolved by all parties by the June deadline.

Cutting a deal is for the birds. All previous verification processes agreed on previous agreements have been undermined by Iran. Unless unannounced verification visits are included in any agreement with penalties gradually removed subject to the reports of those visits, then capitulation is the name of the game. Why is it that there is a sense that negotiators backbone is not being directed by either Obama or Kerry? That is the nervousness others feel. That those two would fold without others putting the pressure on.

[RockyBeerbelly]

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/03/23/iranian-president-over-the-weekend-death-to-america-n1974934

Ian’s Supreme leader Ali Khamenei called for “Death to America” on Saturday, a day after President Barack Obama appealed to Iran to seize a “historic opportunity” for a nuclear deal and a better future, and as US Secretary of State John Kerry claimed substantial progress toward an accord.

Khamenei told a crowd in Tehran that Iran would not capitulate to Western demands. When the crowd started shouting, “Death to America,” the ayatollah responded: “Of course yes, death to America, because America is the original source of this pressure.

I'm just hoping that Russia and Germany and France and even pressure from the Arab coalition led by Saudi keep the heat on and stop this.

So funny to see that Saudi (with, as they have shown, Al Qaida and ISIS in their wake) are all of a sudden your best buddies. All to oppose the "all mighty Iran"....what a joke

[Publicus]

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/03/23/iranian-president-over-the-weekend-death-to-america-n1974934

Ian’s Supreme leader Ali Khamenei called for “Death to America” on Saturday, a day after President Barack Obama appealed to Iran to seize a “historic opportunity” for a nuclear deal and a better future, and as US Secretary of State John Kerry claimed substantial progress toward an accord.

Khamenei told a crowd in Tehran that Iran would not capitulate to Western demands. When the crowd started shouting, “Death to America,” the ayatollah responded: “Of course yes, death to America, because America is the original source of this pressure.

Obligatory red meat to the hard-line mob in Tehran, same as the "Death to America" red meat thrown out by the hard-line mob on the other side who are opposed to a final agreement.

The hard right can't stand it that, after 35+ years of lightening bolts crackling back and forth between Tehran and Washington, the sights and sounds coming out of these negotiations are statements such as "positive developments" and other statements such as "encouraging discussions" and other statements along the lines of "meaningful dialogue."

They currently are working off an Interim Agreement.....Agreement.

It's all diplomatic talk, yes, but much better stuff than had been going on since 1979.

Get back to me when a deal including verification is signed by Germany, Russia, China, France, and the UK.

BREAKING NEWS

Iran, Group 5+1 reach final agreement in Geneva (UPDATE)

Nov 24, 2013

Google indexed it 11/2013

Nov 24, 2013

That wuz the Interim Agreement November 24, 2013 yes.

It is the Agreement all of 'em are working off presently and since.

Final comes after interim.

Interim comes before final.

After 35 years of loud and continuous cussing at one another, Washington and Tehran reached an Agreement. First US-Iran agreement since RR sprung the hostages for arms back on Inauguration Day 1981, which is a long time.

We still don't have diplomatic relations with Iran, nor they with us. I really don't wanna give the lunar right more nightmares than they already have, but that is likely to change soon too. OMG.

Edited April 1, 2015 by Publicus

[Steely Dan]

Meanwhile back to reality, the Iranian proxies in Yemen seal off another waterway used for oil export from Saudi Arabia, whilst Saudi and Egyptian forces prepare to land in Yemen, soon to be augmented by Pakistani troops. So Iran has proxy influence in four middle eastern Countries and has closed off another water way. The leftist canard that Iran has never invaded anyone is looking more ridiculous and delusional by the day. John Kerry's presence at the talks to no doubt hold up a 'peace in our time' piece of paper makes his the new Neville Chamberlain, which saves the POTUS from a photo op that would no doubt go down in infamy in future times.

http://app.debka.com/p/article/24500/Khamenei-sends-Iranian-navy-to-Bab-el-Mandeb-Straits-Iran-arms-store-for-Hamas-bombed-in-Libya

Edited April 1, 2015 by Steely Dan

[h90]

Meanwhile back to reality, the Iranian proxies in Yemen seal off another waterway used for oil export from Saudi Arabia, whilst Saudi and Egyptian forces prepare to land in Yemen, soon to be augmented by Pakistani troops. So Iran has proxy influence in four middle eastern Countries and has closed off another water way. The leftist canard that Iran has never invaded anyone is looking more ridiculous and delusional by the day. John Kerry's presence at the talks to no doubt hold up a 'peace in our time' piece of paper makes his the new Neville Chamberlain, which saves the POTUS from a photo op that would no doubt go down in infamy in future times.

http://app.debka.com/p/article/24500/Khamenei-sends-Iranian-navy-to-Bab-el-Mandeb-Straits-Iran-arms-store-for-Hamas-bombed-in-Libya

Nonsense....If you compare Iran and Saudi Arabia.....Iran is the hub of democracy and human rights in compare......

If I have the choice of being conquered by Iran or controlled by Saudi I take Iran any time. Iran has even a Jewish minority, Christian minority and some pig farms....complete unthinkable in Saudi Arabia.

[ggold]

Meanwhile back to reality, the Iranian proxies in Yemen seal off another waterway used for oil export from Saudi Arabia, whilst Saudi and Egyptian forces prepare to land in Yemen, soon to be augmented by Pakistani troops. So Iran has proxy influence in four middle eastern Countries and has closed off another water way. The leftist canard that Iran has never invaded anyone is looking more ridiculous and delusional by the day. John Kerry's presence at the talks to no doubt hold up a 'peace in our time' piece of paper makes his the new Neville Chamberlain, which saves the POTUS from a photo op that would no doubt go down in infamy in future times.

http://app.debka.com/p/article/24500/Khamenei-sends-Iranian-navy-to-Bab-el-Mandeb-Straits-Iran-arms-store-for-Hamas-bombed-in-Libya

Nonsense....If you compare Iran and Saudi Arabia.....Iran is the hub of democracy and human rights in compare......

If I have the choice of being conquered by Iran or controlled by Saudi I take Iran any time. Iran has even a Jewish minority, Christian minority and some pig farms....complete unthinkable in Saudi Arabia.

You really wouldn't want to be conquered by either.

and especially not by Iran!

http://iranhr.net/

[RockyBeerbelly]

Meanwhile back to reality, the Iranian proxies in Yemen seal off another waterway used for oil export from Saudi Arabia, whilst Saudi and Egyptian forces prepare to land in Yemen, soon to be augmented by Pakistani troops. So Iran has proxy influence in four middle eastern Countries and has closed off another water way. The leftist canard that Iran has never invaded anyone is looking more ridiculous and delusional by the day. John Kerry's presence at the talks to no doubt hold up a 'peace in our time' piece of paper makes his the new Neville Chamberlain, which saves the POTUS from a photo op that would no doubt go down in infamy in future times.

http://app.debka.com/p/article/24500/Khamenei-sends-Iranian-navy-to-Bab-el-Mandeb-Straits-Iran-arms-store-for-Hamas-bombed-in-Libya

Meanwhile back to reality, your Saudi friends are supporting Al Qaida and ISIS in Yemen. So now you can proudly say that you're supporting the terrorists that brought us 9/11, and the terrorists that are beheading westerners, enslave women and children, and brutally murder every non believer. Oh ya, and of course your Saudi friends only yesterday killed 23 innocent factory workers...Who is looking ridiculous here?

[chuckd]

Meanwhile back to reality, the Iranian proxies in Yemen seal off another waterway used for oil export from Saudi Arabia, whilst Saudi and Egyptian forces prepare to land in Yemen, soon to be augmented by Pakistani troops. So Iran has proxy influence in four middle eastern Countries and has closed off another water way. The leftist canard that Iran has never invaded anyone is looking more ridiculous and delusional by the day. John Kerry's presence at the talks to no doubt hold up a 'peace in our time' piece of paper makes his the new Neville Chamberlain, which saves the POTUS from a photo op that would no doubt go down in infamy in future times.

http://app.debka.com/p/article/24500/Khamenei-sends-Iranian-navy-to-Bab-el-Mandeb-Straits-Iran-arms-store-for-Hamas-bombed-in-Libya

Nonsense....If you compare Iran and Saudi Arabia.....Iran is the hub of democracy and human rights in compare......

If I have the choice of being conquered by Iran or controlled by Saudi I take Iran any time. Iran has even a Jewish minority, Christian minority and some pig farms....complete unthinkable in Saudi Arabia.

I have lived in both for some 35 years in total.

I would take the Saudi Arabia of today over the Iran of today if I had to choose.

By the same token, I would also choose the Iran of 1978 over the Saudi of today...but that isn't possible now is it.

[Publicus]

The proposition wuz stated as a conditional.

That means not strictly speaking, not literally a where do you want to go now you're screwed for life question

The post was made for the sake of argument.

Sheesh.

Dumbduckistan sometimes around here.

[Grouse]

I take great comfort in America being the world's policeman. So much successful diplomacy over so any years. I for one feel so much safer, particularly when republicans have the upper hand.

Pip pip!

[Publicus]

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/03/23/iranian-president-over-the-weekend-death-to-america-n1974934

Ian’s Supreme leader Ali Khamenei called for “Death to America” on Saturday, a day after President Barack Obama appealed to Iran to seize a “historic opportunity” for a nuclear deal and a better future, and as US Secretary of State John Kerry claimed substantial progress toward an accord.

Khamenei told a crowd in Tehran that Iran would not capitulate to Western demands. When the crowd started shouting, “Death to America,” the ayatollah responded: “Of course yes, death to America, because America is the original source of this pressure.

Obligatory red meat to the hard-line mob in Tehran, same as the "Death to America" red meat thrown out by the hard-line mob on the other side who are opposed to a final agreement.

The hard right can't stand it that, after 35+ years of lightening bolts crackling back and forth between Tehran and Washington, the sights and sounds coming out of these negotiations are statements such as "positive developments" and other statements such as "encouraging discussions" and other statements along the lines of "meaningful dialogue."

They currently are working off an Interim Agreement.....Agreement.

It's all diplomatic talk, yes, but much better stuff than had been going on since 1979.

Get back to me when a deal including verification is signed by Germany, Russia, China, France, and the UK.

BREAKING NEWS

Iran, Group 5+1 reach final agreement in Geneva (UPDATE)

Nov 24, 2013

Google indexed it 11/2013

Get back to me

Not ready to do that just yet but keep your phone open during the day and on the side table at night....or under your pillow.

Be sure to toss the pillow and not the phone.

[NeverSure]

Get back to me when a deal including verification is signed by Germany, Russia, China, France, and the UK.

BREAKING NEWS

Iran, Group 5+1 reach final agreement in Geneva (UPDATE)

Nov 24, 2013

Google indexed it 11/2013

Nov 24, 2013

That wuz the Interim Agreement November 24, 2013 yes.

It is the Agreement all of 'em are working off presently and since.

Final comes after interim.

Interim comes before final.

After 35 years of loud and continuous cussing at one another, Washington and Tehran reached an Agreement. First US-Iran agreement since RR sprung the hostages for arms back on Inauguration Day 1981, which is a long time.

We still don't have diplomatic relations with Iran, nor they with us. I really don't wanna give the lunar right more nightmares than they already have, but that is likely to change soon too. OMG.

You missed the point. Iran has pretended to negotiate for many years. It benefits them because during that time they do what they want to do.

Right now they aren't negotiating in good faith and if a deal is struck it will be only because 5+1 caved in.

[snarky66]

Its called running out the clock. And the Iranians are expert at it. As stated before this is the path used by North Korea to get nuclear weapons and ICBM's to deliver them. the p5 +1 are fooling themselves and trying to hoodwink we the taxpayers. Trump mentioned today that this whole exercise wouldn't take more than one hour.

[Steely Dan]

Its called running out the clock. And the Iranians are expert at it. As stated before this is the path used by North Korea to get nuclear weapons and ICBM's to deliver them. the p5 +1 are fooling themselves and trying to hoodwink we the taxpayers. Trump mentioned today that this whole exercise wouldn't take more than one hour.

But the Emperor of the free world must have his Halo, never mind if shortly after he flies the coop it turns into radioactive dust. A thought did occur that it is normal in democracies to push the can down the road to give rival incumbents problems o deal with, but here we are looking at premeditated treason and sabotage of the security of The U.S and her supposed allies.

[jamesjohnsonthird]

Obama is desperate for any kind of deal. The Iranians have him over a barrel.

Obama Desperate? Where do you hear that stuff? The Iranians were starved out. Now they are at the table.

Obama over a barrel? I guess you never heard of the crippling sanctions he implemented?

Let's be honest here & cut the extreme conservative, fake outrage nonsense for a change. OK?

Fact is:

It's the desperate Iranians that were forced to negotiate. John Kerry's methodology finally has these guys by the short hairs or 'over a barrel.'

And Senator/Secretary of State John Kerry is as sly as a fox. He's no dummy. Lets get real. OK?

When running for office, Obama pledged to negotiate a deal with Iran. Looks like it's about to go down.

Anyway. No matter you support, the Democrat or Republicans we can all be pleased the Iranians won't be building A-Bombs anytime soon.

This is very good news. We would most likely be fighting world war 3 if McCain/Palin had won the election. no?

[jamesjohnsonthird]

Its called running out the clock. And the Iranians are expert at it. As stated before this is the path used by North Korea to get nuclear weapons and ICBM's to deliver them. the p5 +1 are fooling themselves and trying to hoodwink we the taxpayers. Trump mentioned today that this whole exercise wouldn't take more than one hour.

But the Emperor of the free world must have his Halo, never mind if shortly after he flies the coop it turns into radioactive dust. A thought did occur that it is normal in democracies to push the can down the road to give rival incumbents problems o deal with, but here we are looking at premeditated treason and sabotage of the security of The U.S and her supposed allies.

"here we are looking at premeditated treason and sabotage of the security of The U.S and her supposed allies."

Wow! I didn't know that.

Premeditated treason and sabotage. That's interesting. So Obama is actually working for the Iranians. Got it.

Just another example of the Main Stream Media keeping us all in the dark and shielding Obama. I had no idea what he is really up too.

Now I'm wishing my cable carried FOX.

So Obama is an illegal alien, progressive, liberal, socialist, communist, muslim, double agent bent on destroying America. Hillary too!!

Edited April 1, 2015 by jamesjohnsonthird