Dr Visanu: Section 44 is needed to deal with ill-intent elements

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Dr Visanu: Section 44 is needed to deal with ill-intent elements



BANGKOK: -- The government has decided to invoke Section 44 of the interim Constitution to replace the martial law because there are many elements who are bent on destabilizing the situation in the country, said Deputy Prime Minister Visanu Krua-ngarm on Thursday.

Citing intelligence reports, he said there are five groups of ill-intent elements among them are politicians who lost their power; money barons who were affected by the government’s imposition of new orders; opportunists who want to exploit the forthcoming election to effect political changes; trouble makers who do not have any political motives and those who simply want to express their grievances.

Dr Visanu insisted that powers vested by Section 44 had been invoked before in the form of Section 17 during the regime of military strongman, Field Marshal Sarit Thanarat.

Other countries have similar law but they were not written as obviously as the Thai version, he said, adding that the Thai special law originated from Section 16 of the French charter.

Dr Visanu maintained that Section 44 needs not have to be invoked to penalize people or to restrict the rights of the people but could be used constructively. For instance, he said Section 44 could be invoked to effect amnesty.

He outlined the merits of Section 44 in comparison with martial law as follows: it will boost tourism as tourists can now buy insurance coverage during their visits to Thailand; defendants will be entitled to fairer trial through three levels of military court instead of just one.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/dr-visanu-section-44-is-needed-to-deal-with-ill-intent-elements


-- Thai PBS 2015-04-03

[tbthailand]

Dr Visanu insisted that powers vested by Section 44 had been invoked before in the form of Section 17 during the regime of military strongman, Field Marshal Sarit Thanarat.

if he is trying to reassure people, then with that statement, he just blew it...

[NongKhaiKid]

Five groups with ill-intent and one of them are those who simply want to express their grievances !

Yes it's a threat to national security to have a complaint and want to air it. These people are dangerous and complaints cannot be allowed, what a cheek !

Article 44 Rocks.

[JAG]

It's "copied from the French"?

As an Englishman I will admit to a great deal of healthy cynicism when considering the political antics of our Gallic cousins, but one thing that France has is a healthy democratic tradition. The last French government which may have considered this sort of thing must have been Marshall Petains Vichy regime!

[brucec64]

People should read the fine print of their travel insurance before thinking that lifting martial law now makes the policy fully valid. Most policies also include a phrase "usurped power" along with martial law. This could be used to deny claims.

usurped power

A phrase common in insurance policies since the 18th century—and still found in standard war exclusions—that refers to an organized military operation, either foreign or domestic, that seizes the powers legally conferred upon a government. It is distinguished from insurrections and mob uprisings by the requirement that an organized military force must be used. Losses stemming from usurped power, like other related losses attributable to war, are excluded from most forms of commercial insurance.

[Commerce]

"defendants will be entitled to fairer trial through three levels of military court instead of just one."

So an increase in the number of military courts from a one tier to a three tiered system, after Mr P. asserted he would be reducing the use of military courts. Obviously another lie uncovered.

[Lupatria]

Five groups with ill-intent and one of them are those who simply want to express their grievances !

Yes it's a threat to national security to have a complaint and want to air it. These people are dangerous and complaints cannot be allowed, what a cheek !

Article 44 Rocks.

[greenchair]

So I guess the 58 year old man that got 25 years for 5 facebook messages, would come under....

A person that wanted to express his grievances.

And the 62 year old man that got 15 years for writing on the toilet wall at paragon would come under. .....

A person that wanted to express his grievances.

Or the hyperthetical thaivisa user that posted a funny picture with a smart caption that may get 30 years without bail, for expressing their grievances.

This is seriously the time to think carefully before touching that post button.

[NongKhaiKid]

"defendants will be entitled to fairer trial through three levels of military court instead of just one."

So an increase in the number of military courts from a one tier to a three tiered system, after Mr P. asserted he would be reducing the use of military courts. Obviously another lie uncovered.

Didn't someone say a day or two ago that the military system was better because it was faster that the civilian courts but then went on to say they use the same laws and methodology ?

Different but the same !

[Commerce]

So I guess the 58 year old man that got 25 years for 5 facebook messages, would come under....

A person that wanted to express his grievances.

And the 62 year old man that got 15 years for writing on the toilet wall at paragon would come under. .....

A person that wanted to express his grievances.

Or the hyperthetical thaivisa user that posted a funny picture with a smart caption that may get 30 years without bail, for expressing their grievances.

This is seriously the time to think carefully before touching that post button.

I ALREADY posted the translated version or Article 44 on my fb page in PUBLIC, with lots of snide comments.

Guess it's time to get a shed load of bamboo sticks ready at my door. ....... .............

[baboon]

Five groups with ill-intent and one of them are those who simply want to express their grievances !

Yes it's a threat to national security to have a complaint and want to air it. These people are dangerous and complaints cannot be allowed, what a cheek !

Article 44 Rocks.

It strikes me (as I'm sure a fair few posters on here would love to) that the five groups make up a good deal of the entire population. No wonder the regime is on edge.

[Fat Haggis]

So why did they not take action during martial law to apprehend these elements ? Could it be that they could only hold them for 7-10 days but now indefinitely ?

They had 9 months in which to take action but didn't but now use article 44 as a reason to take action?

[lostoday]

44=22 times 2. Seems obvious. 22 is a paradoxical situation from which an individual cannot escape because of contradictory rules. -22s often result from rules, regulations, or procedures that an individual is subject to but has no control over because to fight the rule is to accept it. Another example is a situation in which someone is in need of something that can only be had by not being in need of it. Sure you can have a democracy but only without elections. Get it?

Edited April 3, 2015 by lostoday

[NongKhaiKid]

So I guess the 58 year old man that got 25 years for 5 facebook messages, would come under....

A person that wanted to express his grievances.

And the 62 year old man that got 15 years for writing on the toilet wall at paragon would come under. .....

A person that wanted to express his grievances.

Or the hyperthetical thaivisa user that posted a funny picture with a smart caption that may get 30 years without bail, for expressing their grievances.

This is seriously the time to think carefully before touching that post button.

I ALREADY posted the translated version or Article 44 on my fb page in PUBLIC, with lots of snide comments.

Guess it's time to get a shed load of bamboo sticks ready at my door. ....... .............

And so many of us initially though that AA was something to do with drinking habits or a motoring organisation.

[Commerce]

Another example is a situation in which someone is in need of something that can only be had by not being in need of it. Sure you can have a democracy but only without elections. Get it?

You reminded me. I just elected that I need to go for a poop. I hope it's a democratic one, seeing as i individually decided to go have a cr@p.

[JOC]

Dr Visanu maintained that Section 44 needs not have to be invoked to penalize people or to restrict the rights of the people but could be used constructively. For instance, he said Section 44 could be invoked to effect amnesty.

3 options:

1. Lying through his teeth

2. Stupid

3. Both of the above

[Commerce]

Dr Visanu maintained that Section 44 needs not have to be invoked to penalize people or to restrict the rights of the people but could be used constructively. For instance, he said Section 44 could be invoked to effect amnesty.

3 options:

1. Lying through his teeth

2. Stupid

3. Both of the above

You missed out option 4. for the Junta supporters.

4. Don't know.

[Scott]

So I guess the 58 year old man that got 25 years for 5 facebook messages, would come under....

A person that wanted to express his grievances.

And the 62 year old man that got 15 years for writing on the toilet wall at paragon would come under. .....

A person that wanted to express his grievances.

Or the hyperthetical thaivisa user that posted a funny picture with a smart caption that may get 30 years without bail, for expressing their grievances.

This is seriously the time to think carefully before touching that post button.

Yes, it is a good time to think carefully before posting, but do rest assured that we have a number of moderators who make every effort to take down posts which are deemed dangerous.

If you come across any that we might have missed, we do have report button as well.

[Godders]

Myanmar suffered a huge loss of revenue during its most repressive years under the generals. The way the current regime is behaving, Thailand could be heading in the same direction as an international pariah.

[Godders]

Myanmar suffered a huge loss of revenue during its most repressive years under the generals. The way the current regime is behaving, Thailand could be heading in the same direction as an international pariah.

[Eric Loh]

I hope with the all powerful Article 44, it can stop the insurgency in the South. Lots more ill intend elements there. Don't see that lot mentioned in Visanu's list. Maybe they are less dangerous than those who want to express their grievances.

[Suffinator]

The government has decided to invoke Section 44 of the interim Constitution to replace the martial law because there are many elements who are bent on destabilizing the situation in the country, said Deputy Prime Minister Visanu Krua-ngarm on Thursday.

Roughly translated ... there are some people who don't want to be ruled by the elite and we have to stop them at all costs.

[Christie Paul]

"If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever."

George Orwell.

[Fat Haggis]

At least we can look forwards to Sundays Poll, where the Junta have 143% popularity

[wabothai]

I am sure lots of us regular posters are very frustrated now.

It ain't no mo fun !!

Damn !!!

[sgtsabai]

Damn, I must be dangerous, at least according to the disappearance of many of my posts. tick tock, tick tock. When the "knock on the door" comes, it is too late, I know. tick tock, tick tock.

[phoenixdoglover]

Let's break it down. The 5 groups with "ill intent" are listed below, along with a more detailed explanation of each.

1) politicians who lost their power

We do not understand politicians. Politicians are bad. Soldiers are good.

2) money barons who were affected by the government’s imposition of new orders;

Some rich people are bad. Some rich people are not bad. We decide.

3) Opportunists who want to exploit the forthcoming election to effect political changes;

Voting must never be used to effect political changes. The purpose of voting is to elect a powerless legislature. But maybe not next year.

4) trouble makers who do not have any political motives

We never had trouble makers in Thailand before, nor laws to deal with them. We see many, many trouble makers.

5) those who simply want to express their grievances.

The new government is inerrant. Grievances are incorrect and cause confusion. We have 12 values and 5 spirits. These are acceptable.

[Commerce]

At least we can look forwards to Sundays Poll, where the Junta have 143% popularity

Brilliant!

[emilymat]

Let's break it down. The 5 groups with "ill intent" are listed below, along with a more detailed explanation of each.

1) politicians who lost their power

We do not understand politicians. Politicians are bad. Soldiers are good.

2) money barons who were affected by the government’s imposition of new orders;

Some rich people are bad. Some rich people are not bad. We decide.

3) Opportunists who want to exploit the forthcoming election to effect political changes;

Voting must never be used to effect political changes. The purpose of voting is to elect a powerless legislature. But maybe not next year.

4) trouble makers who do not have any political motives

We never had trouble makers in Thailand before, nor laws to deal with them. We see many, many trouble makers.

5) those who simply want to express their grievances.

The new government is inerrant. Grievances are incorrect and cause confusion. We have 12 values and 5 spirits. These are acceptable.

3 I intend to 'exploit the forthcoming (UK) election to affect political change'. I'm clearly a bad man.!

[rubl]

Let's break it down. The 5 groups with "ill intent" are listed below, along with a more detailed explanation of each.

1) politicians who lost their power

We do not understand politicians. Politicians are bad. Soldiers are good.

2) money barons who were affected by the government’s imposition of new orders;

Some rich people are bad. Some rich people are not bad. We decide.

3) Opportunists who want to exploit the forthcoming election to effect political changes;

Voting must never be used to effect political changes. The purpose of voting is to elect a powerless legislature. But maybe not next year.

4) trouble makers who do not have any political motives

We never had trouble makers in Thailand before, nor laws to deal with them. We see many, many trouble makers.

5) those who simply want to express their grievances.

The new government is inerrant. Grievances are incorrect and cause confusion. We have 12 values and 5 spirits. These are acceptable.

3 I intend to 'exploit the forthcoming (UK) election to affect political change'. I'm clearly a bad man.!

Better be careful. As former Dept. PM Pol. Captain Chalerm told us a while ago, governments don't like it when foreigners interfere in politics.

Of course you being Thai you may use foreign examples to help Thailand.

BTW your poster name and a previous post with "my farang friend" suggested you might be female. In that case you would not be a bad man, but a bad woman.

PS of course, I'm still puzzling on your previous "When I was a young lad it was a badge of honour to say you had an 'unsigned' copy of Mrs Thatcher's biography!."

Edited April 3, 2015 by rubl