"Proof of funds for Non O reirement visa?"

[IMA_FARANG]

The question is: what constitutes "Proof of financial requirements" for a non O retirement visa.

Do you have to have 800K in a Thai bank account?

Or is evidence of a pension plus bank account enough to satisfy a Thai consulate or embassy in the Asian area if the combination of pension plus Thai bank account is over 800K annual income.

My problem is that I have a pension of $1700 monthly (not enough to make the 65K monthly income Baht equivalent)

PLUS a Thai bank account of 250K Baht. {not enough to satisfy the 800K bank deposit requirement).

My annual income by combining my two sources of income In Thailand is more than 800K annually.

Is the any Thai consulate or embassy in Asia that might accept that combined income and issue me at least a 90 day Non O

via for retirement purposes..... which I could then convert in Chaeng Wattana to a retirement extension based on the combination method?

Or do I have to go back to the U.S. just to get a Non O visa so I can return to Thailand just to get an extension to retire here?

Right no I am here on a series of tourist visas ..... but I would rather get a non O retirement visa and do the retirement extension here in Thailand.

[ubonjoe]

Your income of $1700 using 32 baht as an exchange rate gives 652.8k baht annual income and then adding the 250k baht you have gives a total of 902.8k baht which is more than enough to get an extension.

You should get an income affidavit from the embassy and then with it and your bank book showing the 250k baht make a trip to Vientiane for a single entry non-o visa.

Just attach a copy of the affidavit and a copy of your bank book to the application. Then show the originals when they ask for it so that you can use the affidavit when you apply for the extension.

Edit: You could also do a change of visa status at immigration in Bangkok with the same proof if you have at least 15 days remaining on your current entry to get a non immigrant visa entry.

[IMA_FARANG]

Your income of $1700 using 32 baht as an exchange rate gives 652.8k baht annual income and then adding the 250k baht you have gives a total of 902.8k baht which is more than enough to get an extension.

You should get an income affidavit from the embassy and then with it and your bank book showing the 250k baht make a trip to Vientiane for a single entry non-o visa.

Just attach a copy of the affidavit and a copy of your bank book to the application. Then show the originals when they ask for it so that you can use the affidavit when you apply for the extension.

Edit: You could also do a change of visa status at immigration in Bangkok with the same proof if you have at least 15 days remaining on your current entry to get a non immigrant visa entry.

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Thanks, I'll try in Bangkok again first.

The last time I tried they insisted I must have a Non o visa first.....they would not consider converting from a double entry tourist to a retirement extension. I argued, but they said no, must have a non O first.

[ubonjoe]

You first apply for a change of visa status using a TM86 form that will give you a 90 day non immigrant visa entry.

Then after about 45 days you can apply for the extension showing the same financial proof you will need to do the change of visa status.

[fvw53]

_{With the strong Thai Baht I need to recalculate : I never paid attention but now I should and so my question is which conversation rate does Immigration apply ....the rate for T/T transfer on the day of application of the extension as can be seen on Thai bank websites?}

[ubonjoe]

_{With the strong Thai Baht I need to recalculate : I never paid attention but now I should and so my question is which conversation rate does Immigration apply ....the rate for T/T transfer on the day of application of the extension as can be seen on Thai bank websites?}

I think most offices use the cash exchange rate on the date you apply.. For the dollar the difference is only 25 satang between cash and TT.

For me the baht is weaker than it was a year ago.

[glegolo]

_{With the strong Thai Baht I need to recalculate : I never paid attention but now I should and so my question is which conversation rate does Immigration apply ....the rate for T/T transfer on the day of application of the extension as can be seen on Thai bank websites?}

I think most offices use the cash exchange rate on the date you apply.. For the dollar the difference is only 25 satang between cash and TT.

For me the baht is weaker than it was a year ago.

Khon Kaen Immigreation uses the following;

http://daytodaydata.net/

and they pick NOTES........

legolas

[Suradit69]

.they would not consider converting from a double entry tourist to a retirement extension. I argued, but they said no, must have a non O first.

You have to apply for a non-imm O conversion first.

[bustit997]

You do not have to prove your income if your an American. I am shocked that nobody mentioned this. All you have to do is go to the American embassy and fill out an income form and have them notarized it. Cost 1,650 baht. You fill out the form and put whatever monthly income you want, they only are notarizing you signature, so put down whatever monthly figure you want, nobody will check. Use that form to get your retirement visa. Very quick and easy process. When I found this out I was so surprised. The USA has a treaty with Thailand where they don't check our bank accounts, only need the form from Embassy notarized. I have had my retirement visa for about 7 months now and I never had to prove my income to anybody. This is only true for Americans, Surprised UBON JOE did not mention this to you.

[nzexpat]

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You do not have to prove your income if your an American. I am shocked that nobody mentioned this. All you have to do is go to the American embassy and fill out an income form and have them notarized it. Cost 1,650 baht. You fill out the form and put whatever monthly income you want, they only are notarizing you signature, so put down whatever monthly figure you want, nobody will check. Use that form to get your retirement visa. Very quick and easy process. When I found this out I was so surprised. The USA has a treaty with Thailand where they don't check our bank accounts, only need the form from Embassy notarized. I have had my retirement visa for about 7 months now and I never had to prove my income to anybody. This is only true for Americans, Surprised UBON JOE did not mention this to you.

Many other Embassies provide affidavits "proving" income .

The immigration officers are able to demand evidence of income claimed and sometimes do !

[bustit997]

I have never known them to ask for anything and addition to the income affidavit from the US embassy. I know of several Americans who did not have the funds in the bank and just brought their income affidavit notarized from the embassy and went to Chang Wattana and in no time at all were approved. I would not worry. It is the way it is with the treaty of Amnity. I do not believe the other guy at all, I fear he is one of the many here who go out of their way to make things negative.

[nzexpat]

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I have never known them to ask for anything and addition to the income affidavit from the US embassy. I know of several Americans who did not have the funds in the bank and just brought their income affidavit notarized from the embassy and went to Chang Wattana and in no time at all were approved. I would not worry. It is the way it is with the treaty of Amnity. I do not believe the other guy at all, I fear he is one of the many here who go out of their way to make things negative.

Lets hope you are the next one to be asked to "prove" income claimed by affidavit !

[longstebe]

So how many times does one need to show proof of funds?

Applying for an extension of stay once the non o retirement visa is finished?

[nzexpat]

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So how many times does one need to show proof of funds?

Applying for an extension of stay once the non o retirement visa is finished?

Which "non o retirement visa" is being discussed. There is no such "Visa"

For extensions of stay based on retirement proof of funds has to be provided every year .

[bustit997]

For Extension of Stay, FOR AN AMERICAN ONLY, you need an Income Affidavit ,.notarized by the US Embassy, and thats it. You never need to show proof of income. Shame on the person who wished they would make an exception for you. Like I said before, to many people here go out of their way for doom and gloom.

[ratcatcher]

You do not have to prove your income if your an American. I am shocked that nobody mentioned this. All you have to do is go to the American embassy and fill out an income form and have them notarized it. Cost 1,650 baht. You fill out the form and put whatever monthly income you want, they only are notarizing you signature, so put down whatever monthly figure you want, nobody will check. Use that form to get your retirement visa. Very quick and easy process. When I found this out I was so surprised. The USA has a treaty with Thailand where they don't check our bank accounts, only need the form from Embassy notarized. I have had my retirement visa for about 7 months now and I never had to prove my income to anybody. This is only true for Americans, Surprised UBON JOE did not mention this to you.

Surely the income form is an affidavit that you sign as being a true statement.Thus what you advocate if the statement is not actually "true" is perjury, which I believe is a crime. You may not have to prove your financial situation to an official at the U.S. Embassy, as they are familiar with the legal aspects of false declarations, but a Thai immigration officer does have the legal right to ask you for actual documented proof.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

http://www.ehow.com/facts_7642670_penalty-false-affidavit.html

[nzexpat]

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For Extension of Stay, FOR AN AMERICAN ONLY, you need an Income Affidavit ,.notarized by the US Embassy, and thats it. You never need to show proof of income. Shame on the person who wished they would make an exception for you. Like I said before, to many people here go out of their way for doom and gloom.

Sorry but you are very badly misinformed!

"Americans" are not special and are subject to the same rules and regulations relating to income as everyone else!

An "American" producing a false, unprovable claim of income is very likely to be refused further stay in Thailand and quit likely to be subject to prosecution by the American Authorities. Making a false statement is , I believe, in Yank language, known as a Federal Offence !

Edited April 3, 2015 by nzexpat

[poweratradio]

For Extension of Stay, FOR AN AMERICAN ONLY, you need an Income Affidavit ,.notarized by the US Embassy, and thats it. You never need to show proof of income. Shame on the person who wished they would make an exception for you. Like I said before, to many people here go out of their way for doom and gloom.

And you are so clever and then suddenly your not. Consider all the other nationalities crying and whining about this American free pass to bullsh$t funding proof. How does this make the American consulate look to the current Gov. How long do you think this BS affidavit will fly with the what about me generation complaining about what about them. Get the drift of what people are trying to tell you?????? Wakey Wakey

[bigyin]

To get the letter from the British Embassy you need to show the source evidence that you have the income. In my case that is the original annual letter from my pension provider showing the amount receivable in the current year so clear proof is required. It is my understanding that the US Embassy requires no such evidence so there is a clear difference. I don't know what other Embassies require. On a lighter note and referring back to the question about exchange rates the Immigration Officer in Phitsanulok asked me to look it up on my phone.

[bustit997]

You can download the Income form from the Embassy website, make an appointment for a notary also on the site. Fill out the form, NOBODY checks or verifies it, pay the fee. Whole procedure takes about 15 min. Then go to Chang Wattana. Easy Peasy, promise.

[nzexpat]

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You can download the Income form from the Embassy website, make an appointment for a notary also on the site. Fill out the form, NOBODY checks or verifies it, pay the fee. Whole procedure takes about 15 min. Then go to Chang Wattana. Easy Peasy, promise.

Make sure you ALWAYS have the evidence for the claimed income available.

Easy Peasy for you to be the next one challenged by an Immigration Officer !

Promise!

Edited April 3, 2015 by nzexpat

[BONGOMAN]

So what is the identification number of this form please?

[gk10002000]

I have never known them to ask for anything and addition to the income affidavit from the US embassy. I know of several Americans who did not have the funds in the bank and just brought their income affidavit notarized from the embassy and went to Chang Wattana and in no time at all were approved. I would not worry. It is the way it is with the treaty of Amnity. I do not believe the other guy at all, I fear he is one of the many here who go out of their way to make things negative.

I would hope that when one swears out and signs an affidavit to a US government official they would be on the honest side. I too was surprised at the "looseness" of this. I am glad it is so. I am also sure that if there were repeated cases of people turning out to not meet what they were affirming, then there could be a lot of backlash, Thai officials asking for more proof etc. If anybody knows of people lying on this very important issue, please try and persuade them from doing it.

[mojaco]

I am a USA citizen on many extensions for retirement. One time I had to show proof of my affidavit funds to Immigration. It can happen.

[watso63]

I have never known them to ask for anything and addition to the income affidavit from the US embassy. I know of several Americans who did not have the funds in the bank and just brought their income affidavit notarized from the embassy and went to Chang Wattana and in no time at all were approved. I would not worry. It is the way it is with the treaty of Amnity. I do not believe the other guy at all, I fear he is one of the many here who go out of their way to make things negative.

I don't know why you are getting so worked up over this. Kap Choeng immigration it seems are wise to this scam and now demand to see proof of a liveable income entering the applicants Thai bank account from overseas (not the full amount of 65,000 baht decared). It doesn't matter what nationality you are, they are making sure your income is not being generated from inside Thailand, ie, not working here illegally. Wow, these Thai's can be so clever sometimes.

Edited April 3, 2015 by watso63

[gk10002000]

I would hope that people living in Thailand can actually meet the minimum income or cash requirements. I think the standards are reasonable. It basically is $2,000/month. It is of course possible and many people do live on less than that, or spend down some or all of the 800,000 baht cash in a year, reload and go another year. The whole idea is kind of that the Thai government wants to have some assurance that you can support yourself and not be a burden on them. OK, of course they probably hope you spend a lot of money too.

Remember, they are not asking that you certify you have a Net of 65,000 baht income left over to spend. They are just asking that you have the income. That alone is a generous relief. Your end of the year tax liability in your home country is not considered, nor is any other outgoing payments you may have to be making (child support, alimony, car payments, insurance, etc.)

[Sooo Upto Me]

For Extension of Stay, FOR AN AMERICAN ONLY, you need an Income Affidavit ,.notarized by the US Embassy, and thats it. You never need to show proof of income. Shame on the person who wished they would make an exception for you. Like I said before, to many people here go out of their way for doom and gloom.

[malt25]

You do not have to prove your income if your an American. I am shocked that nobody mentioned this. All you have to do is go to the American embassy and fill out an income form and have them notarized it. Cost 1,650 baht. You fill out the form and put whatever monthly income you want, they only are notarizing you signature, so put down whatever monthly figure you want, nobody will check. Use that form to get your retirement visa. Very quick and easy process. When I found this out I was so surprised. The USA has a treaty with Thailand where they don't check our bank accounts, only need the form from Embassy notarized. I have had my retirement visa for about 7 months now and I never had to prove my income to anybody. This is only true for Americans, Surprised UBON JOE did not mention this to you.

"I am shocked that nobody mentioned this" I'm shocked that this shocked you. Really very shocking.

I don't think it's all that advisable to suggest "visa" applicants provide false or incorrect information. Immigration will never check your bank account. BUT, they just might ask YOU to provide supporting documentation re income.

"Surprised UBON JOE did not mention this to you". Me thinks Ubon Joe only provides facts in such important matters & not mention rumors & hearsay as you do.

Cheers..... Mal.

[Sooo Upto Me]

So what you are saying is that its ok for people to put false info on their declaration form if their funds are under 800k. Which is an offfence and will more than likely get that person deported if found out. Just coz ur american you think they might not check or that ur immune from it. Get Real pal.

[flyingdoc]

Do any other countries have this Affidavit scheme or Agreement in LOS?