Iran FM criticizes US, Israel over threat of military action

[webfact]

Iran FM criticizes US, Israel over threat of military action

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran's foreign minister on Monday criticized the United States and Israel for not taking the threat of military action against Tehran off the table following the landmark nuclear deal between Iran and world powers.

The official IRNA news agency quoted Iran's top diplomat, Mohammad Javad Zarif, as saying the military option remains a very hazardous idea.

"Applying force ... is not an option but an unwise and dangerous temptation," he said. Yet, Zarif added, "there are people who talk about illegal and illegitimate application of force" for their own purposes.

He called the nuclear deal reached last week a "victory of diplomacy over war and violence."

Zarif did not single out any specific country but his remarks came a day after U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter said during a visit to Israel that the accord imposes no limits on what Washington can do to ensure the security of Israel and U.S. Arab allies.

Carter also said the deal "does nothing to prevent ... the U.S. military option."

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been harshly critical of the deal, asserting that it clears the way for Iran to build nuclear weapons that would threaten Israel's existence and ultimately diminish U.S. and global security. He has also strongly hinted that military action remains an option.

Also Monday, the U.N. Security Council is set to endorse the nuclear deal and adopt a series of measures leading to the end of U.N. sanctions that have hurt the Iranian economy.

Under the agreement, Iran's nuclear program will be curbed for a decade in exchange for potentially hundreds of billions of dollars' worth of relief from international sanctions.


-- (c) Associated Press 2015-07-20

[konying]

"Applying force ... is not an option but an unwise and dangerous temptation," he said. Yet, Zarif added, "there are people who talk about illegal and illegitimate application of force" for their own purposes.

Coming from someone who is meddling in Syria and Lebanon by applying deadly force And military equipment as well as personnel

[Ulysses G.]

Why should Israel be restricted from defending themselves by the worst "deal" since the 1938 Munich Agreement? They did not sign it and most Israelis - even Netanyahu’s rivals - reject it.

[Jingthing]

Iranian leaders should have thought of that before leading Death to the USA / Death to Israel mass rallies before, during, and after the negotiations. PEACE was not negotiated here.

[ABCer]

Sooner or later at some place or another Islam must meet with quid pro quo.

It was an easy ride so far dealing with PC Liberalism.

Time to feel and get at the receiving end of "Death to Israel" and "Death to America" hysteria.

I am not surprised Iranian Rulers do not like "Death to Iran" especially if it is not just a slogan. Wake up to reality.

[Seastallion]

Why should Israel be restricted from defending themselves by the worst "deal" since the 1938 Munich Agreement? They did not sign it and most Israelis - even Netanyahu’s rivals - reject it.

Israel refuses to sign up to international treaties too...such as the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty....which makes it a nuclear armed rogue state.

Israel uses this hollow and horrible excuse of "defense" when crossing international boundaries and attacking sovereign nations or civilian populations it has occupied.

Spare us, please. Attacking Iran on the pretext of "defense" is as false as the US attacking Iraq on the false pretense of WOMD.

[sdanielmcev]

Iranian leaders should have thought of that before leading Death to the USA / Death to Israel mass rallies before, during, and after the negotiations. PEACE was not negotiated here.

The U.S. shoulda thought of that, too.

[Jingthing]

The odds of the deal actually working out are what, do you think?

Choices:

Zero percent

One percent

[konying]

Why should Israel be restricted from defending themselves by the worst "deal" since the 1938 Munich Agreement? They did not sign it and most Israelis - even Netanyahu’s rivals - reject it.

Israel refuses to sign up to international treaties too...such as the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty....which makes it a nuclear armed rogue state.

Israel uses this hollow and horrible excuse of "defense" when crossing international boundaries and attacking sovereign nations or civilian populations it has occupied.

Spare us, please. Attacking Iran on the pretext of "defense" is as false as the US attacking Iraq on the false pretense of WOMD.

1. You do not know if Israel has nukes. You only guessing

2. Israel does not make statements to wipe out the entire nation

3. Israel does not send weapons or army to 3rd party to meddle in other countries affairs

4. Israel does not support terror groups, nor arms them

5. Israel does not sponsor terror attacks across few seas on another continent.

[BKKBobby]

Why should Israel be restricted from defending themselves by the worst "deal" since the 1938 Munich Agreement? They did not sign it and most Israelis - even Netanyahu’s rivals - reject it.

Israel refuses to sign up to international treaties too...such as the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty....which makes it a nuclear armed rogue state.

Israel uses this hollow and horrible excuse of "defense" when crossing international boundaries and attacking sovereign nations or civilian populations it has occupied.

Spare us, please. Attacking Iran on the pretext of "defense" is as false as the US attacking Iraq on the false pretense of WOMD.

1. You do not know if Israel has nukes. You only guessing

2. Israel does not make statements to wipe out the entire nation

3. Israel does not send weapons or army to 3rd party to meddle in other countries affairs

4. Israel does not support terror groups, nor arms them

5. Israel does not sponsor terror attacks across few seas on another continent.

You dont know if Israel is guilty of number 3 or 4.

Most players in the region and the US are guilty of those, I think you know that.

The exception being that Iran chooses to support the top three enemies of Israel. Not counting Iran itself.

[konying]

Why should Israel be restricted from defending themselves by the worst "deal" since the 1938 Munich Agreement? They did not sign it and most Israelis - even Netanyahu’s rivals - reject it.

Israel refuses to sign up to international treaties too...such as the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty....which makes it a nuclear armed rogue state.

Israel uses this hollow and horrible excuse of "defense" when crossing international boundaries and attacking sovereign nations or civilian populations it has occupied.

Spare us, please. Attacking Iran on the pretext of "defense" is as false as the US attacking Iraq on the false pretense of WOMD.

1. You do not know if Israel has nukes. You only guessing

2. Israel does not make statements to wipe out the entire nation

3. Israel does not send weapons or army to 3rd party to meddle in other countries affairs

4. Israel does not support terror groups, nor arms them

5. Israel does not sponsor terror attacks across few seas on another continent.

You dont know if Israel is guilty of number 3 or 4.

Most players in the region and the US are guilty of those, I think you know that.

The exception being that Iran chooses to support the top three enemies of Israel. Not counting Iran itself.

OK, i do not know, you do?

Post evidence

If you can not, no need to dispute and get into useless drivel posting

PS. Only 3? well then i guess Iran has peaceful intentions in heart

Edited July 20, 2015 by konying

[Seastallion]

Why should Israel be restricted from defending themselves by the worst "deal" since the 1938 Munich Agreement? They did not sign it and most Israelis - even Netanyahu’s rivals - reject it.

Israel refuses to sign up to international treaties too...such as the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty....which makes it a nuclear armed rogue state.

Israel uses this hollow and horrible excuse of "defense" when crossing international boundaries and attacking sovereign nations or civilian populations it has occupied.

Spare us, please. Attacking Iran on the pretext of "defense" is as false as the US attacking Iraq on the false pretense of WOMD.

1. You do not know if Israel has nukes. You only guessing

2. Israel does not make statements to wipe out the entire nation

3. Israel does not send weapons or army to 3rd party to meddle in other countries affairs

4. Israel does not support terror groups, nor arms them

5. Israel does not sponsor terror attacks across few seas on another continent.

1. EVERYONE knows Israel has nukes. They just refuse to admit it.

2. Israel keeps it's mouth shut and acts. If you think about it, that is more insidious.

3. You do not know that....and you're probably wrong.

4. Israel DOES support a terror group called the IDF....look at what they have done, and they fit the definition.

5. Israel operates terror attacks in many places in the name of retribution.

All that aside...it does not detract from the fact that if Israel attacked Iran, it is AN ATTACK, and an unprovoked one at that.

Just as with the word "antisemitism", Israel tries to redefine the word "defense".

[konying]

Why should Israel be restricted from defending themselves by the worst "deal" since the 1938 Munich Agreement? They did not sign it and most Israelis - even Netanyahu’s rivals - reject it.

Israel refuses to sign up to international treaties too...such as the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty....which makes it a nuclear armed rogue state.

Israel uses this hollow and horrible excuse of "defense" when crossing international boundaries and attacking sovereign nations or civilian populations it has occupied.

Spare us, please. Attacking Iran on the pretext of "defense" is as false as the US attacking Iraq on the false pretense of WOMD.

1. You do not know if Israel has nukes. You only guessing

2. Israel does not make statements to wipe out the entire nation

3. Israel does not send weapons or army to 3rd party to meddle in other countries affairs

4. Israel does not support terror groups, nor arms them

5. Israel does not sponsor terror attacks across few seas on another continent.

1. EVERYONE knows Israel has nukes. They just refuse to admit it.

2. Israel keeps it's mouth shut and acts. If you think about it, that is more insidious.

3. You do not know that....and you're probably wrong.

4. Israel DOES support a terror group called the IDF....look at what they have done, and they fit the definition.

5. Israel operates terror attacks in many places in the name of retribution.

All that aside...it does not detract from the fact that if Israel attacked Iran, it is AN ATTACK, and an unprovoked one at that.

Just as with the word "antisemitism", Israel tries to redefine the word "defense".

Stopped reading the drivel at " everyone knows"

Edited July 20, 2015 by konying

[ezzra]

Why should Israel be restricted from defending themselves by the worst "deal" since the 1938 Munich Agreement? They did not sign it and most Israelis - even Netanyahu’s rivals - reject it.

Israel refuses to sign up to international treaties too...such as the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty....which makes it a nuclear armed rogue state.

Israel uses this hollow and horrible excuse of "defense" when crossing international boundaries and attacking sovereign nations or civilian populations it has occupied.

Spare us, please. Attacking Iran on the pretext of "defense" is as false as the US attacking Iraq on the false pretense of WOMD.

Name another nation or country on this earth that calls for the destructions and annihilations of other

counties, name another country in this world that actively and openly finance, arms and send troops

to fight in countries they have no business being there,

And yes, assuming that Israel DOSE HAVE NUKES, thanks god for that, that's the only thing that keeps her

safe from a multitudes of Arab/Islam fanatics mad and delusional armies......

[NeverSure]

"Iran FM criticizes US, Israel over threat of military action."

^^^ Tough sheet.

[sdanielmcev]

The odds of the deal actually working out are what, do you think?

Choices:

Zero percent

One percent

Realistically, I give 15%. 0% if Israel gets nervous.

[Thorgal]

Q1 : How many nuclear POWER plants has Israel ?

A1 : 0

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_energy_in_Israel

Q2 : Are Israeli Dolphin submarine equipped with a hydraulic system to carry nuclear weapons ?

A2 : Yes

http://www.globalresearch.ca/germany-provides-dolphin-class-nuclear-powered-submarines-to-israeli-armed-with-icb-nuclear-missiles/5441929

Q3 : Are Israeli ballistic Jericho missiles capable to be armed with nuclear warheads ?

A3 : Yes

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel

Q4 : Is the over-aged 50 years old reactor at the Dimona plant at risk for a meltdown like Fukushima/Tchernobyl due to the nuclear ambiguity policy of Israel ?

A4 : Yes

http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-1000631094

Edited July 20, 2015 by Thorgal

[konying]

Sorry thread full.

Konying wrote

1. You do not know if Israel has nukes. You only guessing

2. Israel does not make statements to wipe out the entire nation

3. Israel does not send weapons or army to 3rd party to meddle in other countries affairs

4. Israel does not support terror groups, nor arms them

5. Israel does not sponsor terror attacks across few seas on another continent.

1. Better ask Mordechai Vanunu about that..He was imprisoned for 18 years, 11 years in solitary for revealing Israel's nuclear secrets

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3640613.stm

2. That is your fabrication and distortion of what the Iranians actually said. They called for Zionist regime change. So do I.

Ahmadinejad never said them. Farsi speakers have pointed out that he was mistranslated. The Iranian president was quoting an ancient statement by Iran's first Islamist leader, the late Ayatollah Khomeini, that "this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time" just as the Shah's regime in Iran had vanished.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/jun/02/comment.usa

Sadjadpour said Khamenei has been consistent, stating repeatedly that the goal is not the military destruction of the Jewish state but the defeat of Zionist ideology and the dissolution of Israel through a popular referendum.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/did-ahmadinejad-really-say-israel-should-be-wiped-off-the-map/2011/10/04/gIQABJIKML_blog.html

3. You seem to have overlooked these same "non existent" nuclear weapons that Israel offered the South African apartheid regime in 1975..Nice people.

Revealed: how Israel offered to sell South Africa nuclear weapons.

Secret South African documents reveal that Israel offered to sell nuclear warheads to the apartheid regime, providing the first official documentary evidence of the state's possession of nuclear weapons.

The "top secret" minutes of meetings between senior officials from the two countries in 1975 show that South Africa's defence minister, PW Botha, asked for the warheads and Shimon Peres, then Israel's defence minister and now its president, responded by offering them "in three sizes".

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weapons

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/7757687/Israel-offered-to-sell-South-Africa-nuclear-weapons.html

4. 551 innocent Palestinian children murdered in Gaza by the IDF last year. And Israel routinely terrifies children arresting them in the middle of the night, interrogating them without parents or lawyers present and torturing them into signing confessions in Hebrew.

Israel lambasted over 'abusive arrests' of Palestinian children

http://news.yahoo.com/israel-lambasted-over-abusive-arrests-palestinian-children-112637887.html

...Sounds like a terrorist organisation to me.

5. Israeli terrorist groups developed the early letter bombs sent to British and US politicians. Besides numerous targeted assassinations overseas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_bomb

I guess it a good thing there is no limit on drivel one can post

[konying]

Q1 : How many nuclear POWER plants has Israel ?

A1 : 0

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_energy_in_Israel

Q2 : Are Israeli Dolphin submarine equipped with a hydraulic system to carry nuclear weapons ?

A2 : Yes

http://www.globalresearch.ca/germany-provides-dolphin-class-nuclear-powered-submarines-to-israeli-armed-with-icb-nuclear-missiles/5441929

Q3 : Are Israeli ballistic Jericho missiles capable to be armed with nuclear warheads ?

A3 : Yes

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel

Q4 : Is the over-aged 50 years old reactor at the Dimona plant at risk for a meltdown like Fukushima/Tchernobyl due to the nuclear ambiguity policy of Israel ?

A4 : Yes

http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-1000631094

Santa clause is coming to town

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claus

[Seastallion]

Israel refuses to sign up to international treaties too...such as the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty....which makes it a nuclear armed rogue state.

Israel uses this hollow and horrible excuse of "defense" when crossing international boundaries and attacking sovereign nations or civilian populations it has occupied.

Spare us, please. Attacking Iran on the pretext of "defense" is as false as the US attacking Iraq on the false pretense of WOMD.

1. You do not know if Israel has nukes. You only guessing

2. Israel does not make statements to wipe out the entire nation

3. Israel does not send weapons or army to 3rd party to meddle in other countries affairs

4. Israel does not support terror groups, nor arms them

5. Israel does not sponsor terror attacks across few seas on another continent.

1. EVERYONE knows Israel has nukes. They just refuse to admit it.

2. Israel keeps it's mouth shut and acts. If you think about it, that is more insidious.

3. You do not know that....and you're probably wrong.

4. Israel DOES support a terror group called the IDF....look at what they have done, and they fit the definition.

5. Israel operates terror attacks in many places in the name of retribution.

All that aside...it does not detract from the fact that if Israel attacked Iran, it is AN ATTACK, and an unprovoked one at that.

Just as with the word "antisemitism", Israel tries to redefine the word "defense".

Stopped reading the drivel at " everyone knows"

Well then, stop arguing. It is impossible to have any sort of debate with people if you don't listen to or read their words. The same as having someone on "ignore". It literally leaves you ignorant. Literally.

Essentially, you are just sitting there in ignorant denial.

[MrMuddle]

Why should Israel be restricted from defending themselves by the worst "deal" since the 1938 Munich Agreement? They did not sign it and most Israelis - even Netanyahu’s rivals - reject it.

Israel refuses to sign up to international treaties too...such as the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty....which makes it a nuclear armed rogue state.

Israel uses this hollow and horrible excuse of "defense" when crossing international boundaries and attacking sovereign nations or civilian populations it has occupied.

Spare us, please. Attacking Iran on the pretext of "defense" is as false as the US attacking Iraq on the false pretense of WOMD.

Name another nation or country on this earth that calls for the destructions and annihilations of other

counties, name another country in this world that actively and openly finance, arms and send troops

to fight in countries they have no business being there,

And yes, assuming that Israel DOSE HAVE NUKES, thanks god for that, that's the only thing that keeps her

safe from a multitudes of Arab/Islam fanatics mad and delusional armies......

"name another country in this world that actively and openly finance, arms and send troops

to fight in countries they have no business being there"

The USA - too many countries to mention them all where they've done that. Nicaragua, for starters though. Plus Cuba, Iraq, Vietnam (say that one quietly - they like to forget about that one).

[simple1]

The revelation marks a first in which the US published in a document a description of how Israel attained hydrogen bombs.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/193175#.Va2kQ7XdVuk

[FangFerang]

The odds of the deal actually working out are what, do you think?

Choices:

Zero percent

One percent

More like 75%.

[Seastallion]

The odds of the deal actually working out are what, do you think?

Choices:

Zero percent

One percent

More like 75%.

Pessimist!

[Pakboong]

Q1 : How many nuclear POWER plants has Israel ?

A1 : 0

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_energy_in_Israel

Q2 : Are Israeli Dolphin submarine equipped with a hydraulic system to carry nuclear weapons ?

A2 : Yes

http://www.globalresearch.ca/germany-provides-dolphin-class-nuclear-powered-submarines-to-israeli-armed-with-icb-nuclear-missiles/5441929

Q3 : Are Israeli ballistic Jericho missiles capable to be armed with nuclear warheads ?

A3 : Yes

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel

Q4 : Is the over-aged 50 years old reactor at the Dimona plant at risk for a meltdown like Fukushima/Tchernobyl due to the nuclear ambiguity policy of Israel ?

A4 : Yes

http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-1000631094

Santa clause is coming to town

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claus

In a bit of an aside, you may be the only guy on the forum that I agree wholeheartedly on the Russian/Ukrainian issue and disagree wholeheartedly on issues regarding Israel. I respect your comments either way. Those just happen to be the only issues that really interest me.

[EnglishJohn]

Obama's only defence of this deal is : "You tell me something better" and it about sums it up. The ONLY way to stop Iran developing a nuclear bomb is to launch a pre-emptive war. And there is no appetite for that in any Western country now.

So the situation is that Iran will get some money. Then when they want something else, they start work again. After lots of protests from the rest of the world, another deal is negotiated and they get more. We will be asked "You tell me something better" again.

Eventually they will get the bomb from somewhere and this country which is now much more powerful because of all the aid it got will be a major player in the region - and I would say a nuclear attack on Israel is a real possibility. The difference this time is that we are talking about a country who place religion above any reasonable sense. But that is years away and politicians never think past the next election.

The world is gambling again just like it did at Munich, in Vietnam (by supporting Ho Chi Minh at the start), in Afghanistan, in Libya and in Syria where so much of the equipment they sent is now being used against them or by the people it was meant to help against each other.

What a disaster - with no end in sight.

[Seastallion]

Obama's only defence of this deal is : "You tell me something better" and it about sums it up. The ONLY way to stop Iran developing a nuclear bomb is to launch a pre-emptive war. And there is no appetite for that in any Western country now.

So the situation is that Iran will get some money. Then when they want something else, they start work again. After lots of protests from the rest of the world, another deal is negotiated and they get more. We will be asked "You tell me something better" again.

Eventually they will get the bomb from somewhere and this country which is now much more powerful because of all the aid it got will be a major player in the region - and I would say a nuclear attack on Israel is a real possibility. The difference this time is that we are talking about a country who place religion above any reasonable sense. But that is years away and politicians never think past the next election.

The world is gambling again just like it did at Munich, in Vietnam (by supporting Ho Chi Minh at the start), in Afghanistan, in Libya and in Syria where so much of the equipment they sent is now being used against them or by the people it was meant to help against each other.

What a disaster - with no end in sight.

You make it sound as if they are being given money. It's THEIR money in the first place!!!!

[ABCer]

The odds of the deal actually working out are what, do you think?

Choices:

Zero percent

One percent

Whether the rest of the World likes it or not, with the "Deal" or without it - Iran will make an A-bomb given enough time.

The task is simple and relatively cheap. And nobody will or can do anything about it except possibly(?) Israel.

If Israelis decide they cannot risk it - they might take decisive precluding action - i.e. bomb the shiite out of the nuclear facilities.

But if they decide that their superiority in military capability is overwhelming and can impress this onto Iran Leaders - they can wait.

And once again nobody will or can do anything about it - not USA nor UN.

IMHO Israelis being what they are by the time Iran pulls its head out of its ass will have a weapon and defense system making even mullahs think of life.

After all they are brainwashing stupid ignorant young Muslims into suicide but are never volunteering themselves.

[Rancid]

The US would not have been allowed to make any deal unless Israel hadn't already approved behind the scenes.

Current rants are just theatrics or laying the groundwork for something later.

[ABCer]

Obama's only defence of this deal is : "You tell me something better" and it about sums it up. The ONLY way to stop Iran developing a nuclear bomb is to launch a pre-emptive war. And there is no appetite for that in any Western country now.

So the situation is that Iran will get some money. Then when they want something else, they start work again. After lots of protests from the rest of the world, another deal is negotiated and they get more. We will be asked "You tell me something better" again.

Eventually they will get the bomb from somewhere and this country which is now much more powerful because of all the aid it got will be a major player in the region - and I would say a nuclear attack on Israel is a real possibility. The difference this time is that we are talking about a country who place religion above any reasonable sense. But that is years away and politicians never think past the next election.

The world is gambling again just like it did at Munich, in Vietnam (by supporting Ho Chi Minh at the start), in Afghanistan, in Libya and in Syria where so much of the equipment they sent is now being used against them or by the people it was meant to help against each other.

What a disaster - with no end in sight.

You are right AND wrong, my friend.

The disaster you see is a natural and logical result of US policy: - maintain hotspots wherever possible. Purely business actions.

I have enough respect for Americans to think they really cannot see "disasters" we all can see.

I have even more respect for Israelis to believe they will allow the country you described so well to "eventually get the A-bomb from anywhere or to make it themselves".

The world can afford to gamble. Israelis cannot. Of course there will be a mighty outcry of the UN and all PC Liberals against the Jewish Nazis, Zionists and War Criminals. This is how this rotten world is operating.

Obama will right a book of memoirs - something like "The Death of my Deal" and maybe will convert back to Islam in protest.

And, EnglishJohn, you are right and wrong again.

True, politicians never think past the next election. But the events I'm talking about aren't many years away.

Edited July 21, 2015 by ABCer