juice777 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Just wondering why the English are called Angkrid My gf and her family don't seem to know why to And ideals people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phetphet Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I thought it was the Thai word for England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Grumpy Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Because it is a different language. You'll find that most Thais speak Thai, which, you may be surprised to learn, is different from the English language that you speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneyboy Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Same reason they say Campuchia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogandave Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Native Americans pronounced it "Yangees" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expattaff1308 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I thought it was the Thai word for England. It is....England or English Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojomor Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Possibly from the word Angles or the French word Angleterre ----- just guessing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon43 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Possibly from the word Angles or the French word Angleterre ----- just guessing Perhaps more likely from the English word 'angry' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaeJoMTB Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) Possibly from the word Angles or the French word Angleterre ----- just guessing Because the tribe that originally inhabited England was ....... 'The Angles' And the French named England, 'Angleterre = 'Land of the Angles'. Alternatively England contains lots of letter combinations that can't be pronounced by a Thai ..... En-Glan(d) becomes An-Glit. Take your pick! Edited July 26, 2015 by MaeJoMTB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fang37 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Why are Japanese named "Yipon" - Australians - "Gingjoe"? Does it matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 The French were the first western influence, hence the term farang, which is a Thai version of France /Francais. It is a similar idea with Angleterre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) For those interested. Would better fit in the Thai Language section: http://www.thai-language.com/id/589824 The majority of country names is derived from the English language version. Exceptions proof the rule. Names of neighbouring countries are generic Thai versions like the already mentioned "kamphucha". Myanmar is still mostly "simplified" as "phama" (Burma). "Derived": the apparent "misspelling" of many names is due to restrictions in forming syllables in the Thai language (end consonants e.g.) E.g. "brasin" for Brasil, "finlaen" for Finland. Higher educated/urbane/sophisticated Thais might use a pronunciation that comes close to the English version. Edited July 26, 2015 by KhunBENQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerryBScot Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) It's not such a stupid question. The word for English in Thai is อังกฤษ which transliterates as 'Engris' : that last letter ษ is an 's' (which makes it pretty close to 'English'); which when not at the end of a word is pronounced as the /s/ sound as in 'toss'; in Thai the final sound in a word cannot be /s/ so most words which end with /s/ are sounded as /t/. That's why they say 'Angkrit'. So the greeting word สวัส literally translates as 'sawas', yup that last ส letter is another /s/ but as you know it is pronounced ' sawat', (I think Thai has five characters for the /s/ sound!) Confusing. The same process of word ending sounds explains why the locals say Arsenon and Liverpoon for the football teams. Edited July 26, 2015 by gerryBScot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seastallion Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Possibly from the word Angles or the French word Angleterre ----- just guessing Because the tribe that originally inhabited England was ....... 'The Angles' And the French named England, 'Angleterre = 'Land of the Angles'. Alternatively England contains lots of letter combinations that can't be pronounced by a Thai ..... En-Glan(d) becomes An-Glit. Take your pick! Option 2, definitely. Better explained by KhunBen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I'm forever telling Thais and Americans off for calling me Angrit or English. Lack of education for them both. I am Scottish, or British, coming from the British Isles. However a well-educated or worldy ones do know "sa raat cha anaa jak" or "United Kingdom" . I think the reason being they both don't know much about geography outside their own country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerryBScot Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 The French were the first western influence, hence the term farang, which is a Thai version of France /Francais. It is a similar idea with Angleterre. I'm not sure. It would be normal for Thais to insert an /a/ sound between the 'f' and 'r' in as they do with 's','t' and other consonants so you often hear ' sa-potlight' etc and 'ta-wenty' etc. Same here: a transliteration of 'francais' to 'fa-rang-set' with the 's' ending, silent in French, being turned into a /t/ sound as per Thai rules. I basically think it is application of Thai phonic rules to foreign words as transliterated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) I don't want to speak out too loud about the original topic question. Where this "ankrit"/"angrit" is derived from? What speaks for the "angles" is the fact that the "k" in "ankrit" does not really sound like a "k" in English, closer to a "g". Just listen: http://www.thai-language.com/mp3/E131277.mp3 http://www.clickthai-online.de/cgi-bin/playmp3.pl?390387.mp3 (have to allow Flash Player) Edited July 26, 2015 by KhunBENQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 For those interested. Would better fit in the Thai Language section: http://www.thai-language.com/id/589824 The majority of country names is derived from the English language version. Exceptions proof the rule. Names of neighbouring countries are generic Thai versions like the already mentioned "kamphucha". Myanmar is still mostly "simplified" as "phama" (Burma). "Derived": the apparent "misspelling" of many names is due to restrictions in forming syllables in the Thai language (end consonants e.g.) E.g. "brasin" for Brasil, "finlaen" for Finland. Higher educated/urbane/sophisticated Thais might use a pronunciation that comes close to the English version. e.g. Yermanee and Svitrand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skatewash Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I think it's simply the Thai pronunciation of the English word "English." In Thai, syllables must end in a vowel or one of a limited number of consonants (which sound like the following sounds in English): m, n, ng, t, k, p. So, there is no 'sh' syllable ending in Thai. Syllables do not end in '-sh' or even '-s' in Thai. Several consonants in Thai have different sounds depending on whether they begin a syllable or end a syllable. For instance, there are several consonants in Thai that have a similar sound to 's' in English at the beginning of a syllable, but that have the sound of 't' in English when they occur at the end of a syllable. So, when a Thai sees a syllable that ends in one of the 's' consonants, it is natural to pronounce that 's' as a 't' because it occurs at the end of the syllable. Therefore, you might suspect that a Thai would like to pronounce "English" as "Eng-glit." For reasons that I don't fully understand 'l' and 'r' are often confused in Thai, or maybe put in a different way, the difference between the two sounds is not as significant in Thai pronunciation as it is in English pronunciation. Perhaps that is the way that "English" ended up getting pronounced as "Eng-grit" in Thai. English is spelled อังกฤษ in Thai, and pronounced roughly "Ang-grit." The last consonant ษ is one of those consonants that is pronounced as 's' when it occurs at the beginning of a syllable and pronounced as a 't' when it appears at the end of a syllable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 For those interested. Would better fit in the Thai Language section: http://www.thai-language.com/id/589824 The majority of country names is derived from the English language version. Exceptions proof the rule. Names of neighbouring countries are generic Thai versions like the already mentioned "kamphucha". Myanmar is still mostly "simplified" as "phama" (Burma). "Derived": the apparent "misspelling" of many names is due to restrictions in forming syllables in the Thai language (end consonants e.g.) E.g. "brasin" for Brasil, "finlaen" for Finland. Higher educated/urbane/sophisticated Thais might use a pronunciation that comes close to the English version. e.g. Yermanee and Svitrand Not making fun of the natives are you? Must be time for your gin and tonic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipperylobster Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) I'm forever telling Thais and Americans off for calling me Angrit or English. Lack of education for them both. I am Scottish, or British, coming from the British Isles. However a well-educated or worldy ones do know "sa raat cha anaa jak" or "United Kingdom" . I think the reason being they both don't know much about geography outside their own country. I think you are being more than a bit sensitive. Frankly...nobody cares at all about what part of england you are from. anyways...you speak english a bit...don't you? Edited July 26, 2015 by slipperylobster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoiBiker Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Learn some Thai, and this - and many other mysteries - will become clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneyboy Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I'm forever telling Thais and Americans off for calling me Angrit or English. Lack of education for them both. I am Scottish, or British, coming from the British Isles. However a well-educated or worldy ones do know "sa raat cha anaa jak" or "United Kingdom" . I think the reason being they both don't know much about geography outside their own country. I think you are being more than a bit sensitive. Frankly...nobody cares at all about what part of england you are from. anyways...you speak english a bit...don't you? Unless he's from Aberdeen then he says stuff like quines and loons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thongkorn Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 It means English in Thai, anggit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I think it's simply the Thai pronunciation of the English word "English." In Thai, syllables must end in a vowel or one of a limited number of consonants (which sound like the following sounds in English): m, n, ng, t, k, p. So, there is no 'sh' syllable ending in Thai. Syllables do not end in '-sh' or even '-s' in Thai. Several consonants in Thai have different sounds depending on whether they begin a syllable or end a syllable. For instance, there are several consonants in Thai that have a similar sound to 's' in English at the beginning of a syllable, but that have the sound of 't' in English when they occur at the end of a syllable. So, when a Thai sees a syllable that ends in one of the 's' consonants, it is natural to pronounce that 's' as a 't' because it occurs at the end of the syllable. Therefore, you might suspect that a Thai would like to pronounce "English" as "Eng-glit." For reasons that I don't fully understand 'l' and 'r' are often confused in Thai, or maybe put in a different way, the difference between the two sounds is not as significant in Thai pronunciation as it is in English pronunciation. Perhaps that is the way that "English" ended up getting pronounced as "Eng-grit" in Thai. English is spelled อังกฤษ in Thai, and pronounced roughly "Ang-grit." The last consonant ษ is one of those consonants that is pronounced as 's' when it occurs at the beginning of a syllable and pronounced as a 't' when it appears at the end of a syllable. I think it must have come from the Sanskrit word for England. This is the oldest language around so not a Thai translation. The early Englishmen were nothing like the majority today they were ผู้ดีอังกฤษ or Poo Dee Angrit or English Gentlemen, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDGRUEN Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 One mention of the word Farang -- often pronounced with a bit of an L -lr sound -- sorta -- Farlang - but not exactly And as I have looked it up -- Farang is likely derived from an ancient Persian word which made its way to Arabic and somehow found its way (perhaps via India) to ancient Thai ... The word Farang even sounds like Foreign when one is not concentrating on making the sound... If pressed by a doubter I will go and find my sources on this ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoiBiker Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 One mention of the word Farang -- often pronounced with a bit of an L -lr sound -- sorta -- Farlang - but not exactly And as I have looked it up -- Farang is likely derived from an ancient Persian word which made its way to Arabic and somehow found its way (perhaps via India) to ancient Thai ... The word Farang even sounds like Foreign when one is not concentrating on making the sound... If pressed by a doubter I will go and find my sources on this ... Please God no. Not this again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipperylobster Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) I'm forever telling Thais and Americans off for calling me Angrit or English. Lack of education for them both. I am Scottish, or British, coming from the British Isles. However a well-educated or worldy ones do know "sa raat cha anaa jak" or "United Kingdom" . I think the reason being they both don't know much about geography outside their own country. I think you are being more than a bit sensitive. Frankly...nobody cares at all about what part of england you are from. anyways...you speak english a bit...don't you? Unless he's from Aberdeen then he says stuff like quines and loons. Do you guys have MacDonalds there? Do they call it MacDhòmhnaill? ...and do you get to supersize the Haggis? Is Scotty on the Star Trek series really scottish..or is that a fake accent? Edited July 26, 2015 by slipperylobster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skatewash Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I think it's simply the Thai pronunciation of the English word "English." In Thai, syllables must end in a vowel or one of a limited number of consonants (which sound like the following sounds in English): m, n, ng, t, k, p. So, there is no 'sh' syllable ending in Thai. Syllables do not end in '-sh' or even '-s' in Thai. Several consonants in Thai have different sounds depending on whether they begin a syllable or end a syllable. For instance, there are several consonants in Thai that have a similar sound to 's' in English at the beginning of a syllable, but that have the sound of 't' in English when they occur at the end of a syllable. So, when a Thai sees a syllable that ends in one of the 's' consonants, it is natural to pronounce that 's' as a 't' because it occurs at the end of the syllable. Therefore, you might suspect that a Thai would like to pronounce "English" as "Eng-glit." For reasons that I don't fully understand 'l' and 'r' are often confused in Thai, or maybe put in a different way, the difference between the two sounds is not as significant in Thai pronunciation as it is in English pronunciation. Perhaps that is the way that "English" ended up getting pronounced as "Eng-grit" in Thai. English is spelled อังกฤษ in Thai, and pronounced roughly "Ang-grit." The last consonant ษ is one of those consonants that is pronounced as 's' when it occurs at the beginning of a syllable and pronounced as a 't' when it appears at the end of a syllable. I think it must have come from the Sanskrit word for England. This is the oldest language around so not a Thai translation. The early Englishmen were nothing like the majority today they were ผู้ดีอังกฤษ or Poo Dee Angrit or English Gentlemen, England in Sanskrit: transliteration: आङ्ग्लभूमि AGglabhUmi English in Sanskrit: आङ्ग्लभाषा AGglabhASA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywais Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Since Thai is now being introduced into this topic moving to the Thai language forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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