city Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 How about improving the quality of Thai teachers? That is happening. Recently Thai English teachers took the European English Standard test.There is different test resuls requirements, dependent on what grades the Thai teacher covers. Planned for August is a double weekend get together to help the 120 teachers who failed the test. The 120 was only from Prathom level teaching in the local area. Now multiply 120 by lets say 4 or five other gatherings in the province for the A2 certificate (Prathom) by the A1, B1 and B2 requirements. Then multiply this by all the provinces and you can start to see why Thai students struggle to learn English. Yes there is major problems with some foreigners teaching but its miniscule compared to the Thai English teachers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkidlad Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I agree with @Inurhead ESL teachers should be able to fluently speak a second language. Only those that understand what it is like to learn a second language can successfully teach it. We get it. You can speak fluent Thai. This doesn't make you a good teacher. Having qualifications and knowledge in the subject you're teaching does. Not being good at something you've not been asked to teach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Croker Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I agree with @Inurhead ESL teachers should be able to fluently speak a second language. Only those that understand what it is like to learn a second language can successfully teach it. I think Rkidlad might have misunderstood, Doremifasol means the mechanics of learning a second language (any second language) are valuable experiences with which to empathize as an ESL teacher. I agree. But they are nothing more than that. Other skills come into play. One mistake many teachers make is to believe they know the only real way to teach. As I suspected delusional administrators- can't even name the type of educational process correctly. Its not a workshop unless the participants actually share knowledge - its just a class. I am at a loss to understand how correct standing and sitting and wai technique are going to improve the standard of education. Its as I suspected - Missed opportunity for government (local or federal) to effect any real changes. Does the way in which a teacher stands give little Somchai a better chance of learning to read English? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I wonder what %age of "teachers" are female? If the number of females in the photograph is anything to go by, quite a high percentage I'd say and probably mostly Filipinos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rancid Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I think it would be fair to say that Thailand has exactly the education system it wants. Thinking that it will change shows a lack of understanding as to what it is supposed to achieve. Same applies to most public education back home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuwadeeS Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Why not start To teach the like money bahaiving kids some proper manners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Queen Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) Jesus wept. The problem with Thai education is not foreign teachers, it's with Thai teachers and the educational 'Sir Humpreys' that drive their highly stupid and incompetent 3rd-world policies. Edited July 31, 2015 by Red Queen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCC1701A Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 time for my massage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteman Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Look at the photo there was a small group of whitees so they took the shot and the rest in the room were mainly asian teachers in the background Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrry Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 How about improving the quality of Thai teachers? That is happening. Recently Thai English teachers took the European English Standard test.There is different test resuls requirements, dependent on what grades the Thai teacher covers. Planned for August is a double weekend get together to help the 120 teachers who failed the test. The 120 was only from Prathom level teaching in the local area. Now multiply 120 by lets say 4 or five other gatherings in the province for the A2 certificate (Prathom) by the A1, B1 and B2 requirements. Then multiply this by all the provinces and you can start to see why Thai students struggle to learn English. Yes there is major problems with some foreigners teaching but its miniscule compared to the Thai English teachers An A2 is the level 8 of English taught at AUA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_Reference_for_Languages A Basic user A1 Breakthrough or beginner Can understand and use familiar everyday expressions and very basic phrases aimed at the satisfaction of needs of a concrete type. Can introduce him/herself and others and can ask and answer questions about personal details such as where he/she lives, people he/she knows and things he/she has. Can interact in a simple way provided the other person talks slowly and clearly and is prepared to help. A2 Way stage or elementary Can understand sentences and frequently used expressions related to areas of most immediate relevance (e.g. very basic personal and family information, shopping, local geography, employment). Can communicate in simple and routine tasks requiring a simple and direct exchange of information on familiar and routine matters. Can describe in simple terms aspects of his/her background, immediate environment and matters in areas of immediate need. To gain Citizenship in the UK now you need B level. it is a very basic level, A little less than my Thai is and there is no way I would be teaching the Thai Language to anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostinisaan Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Students should be taught to ask questions. Problem is it has to start at a very young age and it is not happening. When you have curious children, they learn easily. However curioisity among children is often frowned upon. So what we have here is an intractable problem. There's an unwritten law by the MoE that students from grade one up to grade 12 are NOT allowed to ask their teachers any questions. It would be great to have students who're really asking questions. Would a teacher not know the answer, he/she'd lose face. In reality they do not lose face, they lose the battle to have students with critical thinking skills, without even realizing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Certainly the CELTA I took was designed to teach English language to adults. Teaching kids is a whole different ball game, even more so Thai kids. I would regard a course like this as worse than useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostinisaan Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) How about improving the quality of Thai teachers? That is happening. Recently Thai English teachers took the European English Standard test.There is different test resuls requirements, dependent on what grades the Thai teacher covers. Planned for August is a double weekend get together to help the 120 teachers who failed the test. The 120 was only from Prathom level teaching in the local area. Now multiply 120 by lets say 4 or five other gatherings in the province for the A2 certificate (Prathom) by the A1, B1 and B2 requirements. Then multiply this by all the provinces and you can start to see why Thai students struggle to learn English. Yes there is major problems with some foreigners teaching but its miniscule compared to the Thai English teachers The so called CEFR test had to be taken by all Thai English teachers nationwide. I've just prepared and conducted two weekend seminars for high school teachers with phenomenal scores such as A 0 (which doesn't even exist)....... In August will be three seminars for certain levels. There'll be 35 teachers who scored zero (A 0) level). 35 teachers who scored A 2, but need at least B 1. And 154 teachers who scored A 1. Their idea is to use material from the next higher level to "teach them." The only problem night be that they haven't got experienced trainers, who're familiar with these seminars. A big joke is that one educational area office will use some agency teachers from a local high school. None of them has ever prepared such a seminar, but it seems that they don't really care. The "usual pay" in form of 600 baht/hour can't be paid, because their budget wouldn't allow it. (Someone is pocketing your money) One more reason might be that they found some agency teachers who're willing to do it for 1.5- 2 K/day. But how should they know what the "gong rate" is? They'd promised me 600/hour, then tried to convince me to do seminars for 2 K/day (instead of 3,600), but I politely declined. Pre and Posttests of trainees have to be send to OBEC, all of them will receive their fancy certificates, but almost nothing will change. There're maybe five out of six teachers who're really keen to upgrade their English skills, similar to an ordinary classroom, where you might find four or five kids, who're really interested in learning English. Edited July 31, 2015 by lostinisaan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thongkorn Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Thailand is not a free speech Country, So how do they expect to teach anything thats true. The Thai children only get tought Thai indoctrination like racism , No sense of fair play, no Honesty . as in lies and deceit are part of the culture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 From Ajarn.com. One of the 5 facets of the course: "Thai manners, perhaps the most important if taught correctly, involves standing postures for formal and informal occasions, walking, sitting and how to rise from a seated position, how to Wai to individuals of different social strata, and encountering, receiving from and handing articles to higher-ranking individuals." #6 correct way to pick your nose in public Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostinisaan Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 From Ajarn.com. One of the 5 facets of the course: "Thai manners, perhaps the most important if taught correctly, involves standing postures for formal and informal occasions, walking, sitting and how to rise from a seated position, how to Wai to individuals of different social strata, and encountering, receiving from and handing articles to higher-ranking individuals." #6 correct way to pick your nose in public but covering your mouth when using a toothpick..... .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teko Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Window dressing pure and simple. As mentioned previously and other threads over the past decade, they have the Public Education system they want to control the masses Now let's brush up on the 'ol Thainess and the correct way to wai and carry on regardless. Education Hub.........I'd like to see that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoilSpoil Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Good to that the foreign teachers are using their well deserved holidays well. Cant learn enough about Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Queen Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I think it would be fair to say that Thailand has exactly the education system it wants. Thinking that it will change shows a lack of understanding as to what it is supposed to achieve. Same applies to most public education back home. Absolutely true. Keep 'em poor, keep 'em stupid. That way you keep 'em cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lildragon Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 From Ajarn.com. One of the 5 facets of the course: "Thai manners, perhaps the most important if taught correctly, involves standing postures for formal and informal occasions, walking, sitting and how to rise from a seated position, how to Wai to individuals of different social strata, and encountering, receiving from and handing articles to higher-ranking individuals." See this kind of absolute nonsense needs to stop. My colleague was told he was being rude by leaving his sunglasses on during the assembly (or the daily indoctrination time as I call it) and it was a very bright day. He was told "it's rude in Thai culture" so took them off. Then we looked over and saw some of the Thai P.E. teachers all standing there with shades on At my old job some government inspectors came to inspect the school for the queens award (it's all just for show, the school that hands over the biggest envelope will win). We were told during the special assembly that we all HAD to bow. I and a few other refused to do it. All this pomp and ceremony for what? It is all pointless and this hierarchical, a$$ kissing bullsh*t is what is keeping the educational system back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) Will their be a session on appropriate images for teaching the meaning of words such as "ugly"? Edited July 31, 2015 by Bluespunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colabamumbai Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I have devoted 5 years of my life trying to improve the education and knowledge of both children, students, teachers and adults as a teacher and a foreigner living in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 in general thailand does not attract good/quality teachers; period. salary is low and they rank quite low academically. in addition little interest is shown to obtain quality teachers as does korea, japan, singapore, etc, etc. even if they did find some quality teachers you wonder how long thed last given the very common student aptitude and society issues and ineffective teaching methods they are resistant to changing. many excellent teachers do not speak a second language. likely the foreign teacher applicant pool is either lower paid filipinos or westerners that want to/aleready living in thailand. some of them may be quite good at teaching with or without a degree but again their hands are tied by the feudal system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razer Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 With Singapore as the education hub of the region and internationally recognized as one of the best places in the world for education, I think Thailand becoming the hub for education is a pipe dream. Wishful thinking. Very improbable. But ... A good soundbite for Thais to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabothai Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Thai Instructor to foreign teachers: "Some of you believe that, like in your own countries, it is permissible to fail a student. I am here to tell you that is blatantly wrong! "Failing a student would cause severe loss of face. Not only to the student, but to their parents as well. This could lead to serious depression, suicide, and a raging temper which could result in mass murder. Therefore, for the sake of our country's health, and all important image, you are never allowed to fail a student. Ok,seminar over." That should explain a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabothai Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I have devoted 5 years of my life trying to improve the education and knowledge of both children, students, teachers and adults as a teacher and a foreigner living in Thailand. and....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 How about improving the quality of Thai teachers? You mean the 84% who failed in student tests of subjects they are teaching? http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/373463-most-thai-teachers-fail-in-their-own-subjects/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teacherpaul Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Cheeky sods! The workshop should be run by foreign teachers on how Thai teachers should completely overhaul the way they teach. Talk about getting things completely the wrong way round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FangFerang Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 It is so preposterous, it is impossible to criticize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tukkytuktuk Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 You get what you pay for. Do people who pay $750 U.S a year for their child's English program really expect fluent English? If you Wat that pay up and enroll at an international school, $7,500 a year. If you want improved foreign teachers pay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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