Australia admits refugee turn-back

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Australia says it turned back Vietnamese asylum seekers

(BBC) Australia has confirmed it sent 46 asylum seekers back to Vietnam after intercepting their boat off the coast of Western Australia last month.

The government said it has now turned back 633 asylum seekers who were trying to reach Australia by boat.
In July a small wooden boat, the first "illegal" vessel entry into Australia since June 2014, was spotted off the north-west coast.

It was not seen again and the government refused to say where it was.

The government usually refuses to comment on boat turn-backs but Immigration Minister Peter Dutton on Thursday told local media: "There were 46 people on a recent venture that did come from Vietnam; we have negotiated their return to Vietnam."

Full story: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-33798779


-- BBC 2015-08-06

[gopis108]

Good on you Austrailia -this situation needs a very strong hand.

[TimmyT]

and where a re voices of all TVF Aussies, who blamed Thailand for turning back Rohingya boats?

please comment!

Edited August 7, 2015 by TimmyT

[ABCer]

The general tone of the OP is - Australia was caught in some despicable act.

I do not share this attitude.

Every country has a duty of protection of its borders.

The only people thinking otherwise might be the citizens of that unnatural State - EU.

And look where they are with their thinking and attitudes! Something like 'Deep Shi*t' will describe it precisely.

[Scott]

Please note that the OP specifically says "....we have negotiated their return to Vietnam."

Pushing people back out to sea is very different than returning them, as is selling them.

[ABCer]

and where a re voices of all TVF Aussies, who blamed Thailand for turning back Rohingya boats?

please comment!

I am an Aussie. I never blamed Thailand for this. I blame Thailand for letting Rohingya in. And for not protecting Thais in the South against the bloody Terrorists.

BTW, any reason you care to give why after tolerating Rohignya where they lived for hundreds of years Burmese decided to be a nasty heartless lot and drive them out?

Edited August 7, 2015 by ABCer

[Linky]

Please note that the OP specifically says "....we have negotiated their return to Vietnam."

Pushing people back out to sea is very different than returning them, as is selling them.

Negotiated = paid.

Australia has been paing the crew of boats to return. Thus ensuring all traffickers to bring as many boats as possible to get a nice payday for agreeing to turn back.

The reasons Australia wanted the boats stopped was not to stop the refugees but because so many where dying at sea. So paying these smugglers is increasing the boats thus more people being put in danger.

It is a lie to say they have stopped the boats, they havent, they have simply stopped the boats landing in Oz. but that doesnt mean the boats have stopped. Total hypocracy to say the boats put many in danger then give crew a monetary incentive to bring more boats.

[bangkokheat]

stupid and gutless, why not give them free housing, social security etc and invite more boatloads

[ABCer]

Please note that the OP specifically says "....we have negotiated their return to Vietnam."

Pushing people back out to sea is very different than returning them, as is selling them.

Negotiated = paid.

Australia has been paing the crew of boats to return. Thus ensuring all traffickers to bring as many boats as possible to get a nice payday for agreeing to turn back.

The reasons Australia wanted the boats stopped was not to stop the refugees but because so many where dying at sea. So paying these smugglers is increasing the boats thus more people being put in danger.

It is a lie to say they have stopped the boats, they havent, they have simply stopped the boats landing in Oz. but that doesnt mean the boats have stopped. Total hypocracy to say the boats put many in danger then give crew a monetary incentive to bring more boats.

Linky, can you prove what you are saying?

Negotiated is not the same as paid for.

If what you say is the truth - I agree with you. So, prove it or give any reference. Thanks.

[samran]

Please note that the OP specifically says "....we have negotiated their return to Vietnam."

Pushing people back out to sea is very different than returning them, as is selling them.

Negotiated = paid.

Australia has been paing the crew of boats to return. Thus ensuring all traffickers to bring as many boats as possible to get a nice payday for agreeing to turn back.

The reasons Australia wanted the boats stopped was not to stop the refugees but because so many where dying at sea. So paying these smugglers is increasing the boats thus more people being put in danger.

It is a lie to say they have stopped the boats, they havent, they have simply stopped the boats landing in Oz. but that doesnt mean the boats have stopped. Total hypocracy to say the boats put many in danger then give crew a monetary incentive to bring more boats.

Linky, can you prove what you are saying?

Negotiated is not the same as paid for.

If what you say is the truth - I agree with you. So, prove it or give any reference. Thanks.

In this case it looks like they took them ashore, then flew them back once the VN governemt agreed to take them back. To what fate, who knows.

The government (both sides) have form in paying the boat crews.

http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-does-not-deny-australia-paid-people-smugglers-to-turn-back-asylum-seeker-boats-20150611-ghm5ru.html

Probably the stationed ASIS officer on board who did it to get around all sorts of bribery laws!

[simple1]

Please note that the OP specifically says "....we have negotiated their return to Vietnam."

Pushing people back out to sea is very different than returning them, as is selling them.

Negotiated = paid.

Australia has been paing the crew of boats to return. Thus ensuring all traffickers to bring as many boats as possible to get a nice payday for agreeing to turn back.

The reasons Australia wanted the boats stopped was not to stop the refugees but because so many where dying at sea. So paying these smugglers is increasing the boats thus more people being put in danger.

It is a lie to say they have stopped the boats, they havent, they have simply stopped the boats landing in Oz. but that doesnt mean the boats have stopped. Total hypocracy to say the boats put many in danger then give crew a monetary incentive to bring more boats.

Linky, can you prove what you are saying?

Negotiated is not the same as paid for.

If what you say is the truth - I agree with you. So, prove it or give any reference. Thanks.

The Abbott government has refused to confirm or deny. However...

Tony Abbott comes close to admitting people smuggler payments

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-comes-close-to-admitting-people-smuggler-payments-20150620-ght1kl.html#ixzz3i5rsi92l

[ABCer]

I can repeat: If the boat operators were paid - I am with you and against Abbott Gov't actions.

IMHO these boat operators must be jailed and/or heavily fined. Boats confiscated. People sent back.

[TigerandDog]

You've ALL overlooked the 2 most important facts here.

1. These were not genuine political refugees. If they were they would have applied for political asylum long before paying the people smugglers to get on a boat. Genuine political refugees, once confirmed, have NEVER been refused admission to Australia.

2. Anybody that can afford to pay people smugglers can easily afford to pay the Govts costs to apply for a visa and come through the front door. Australia admits thousand of people that come to the country legally every year. History shows that 99.5% of the people who come on boats are not legitimate refugees. In fact many of them are criminals on the run from their home country's police pretending to be refugees, which means they are illegal immigrants, and they should NEVER be allowed into the country.

Look at all the trouble currently going on in France with all the illegals there trying to illegally get to England. The French police should be arresting them and sending them back to their home countries, but they choose to just sit back and let them create havoc.

At least Australia has the balls to turn them back, thus preventing similar chaos is Oz. All the troubles in the Oz refugee camps ( burning of accommodation and riots) has been caused by individuals who have been proven to be illegal immigrants and are awaiting deprtation to their home countries.

To all the do gooders and bleeding hearts out there, WAKE UP TO YOURSELVES, and see the situation for what it really is. Indivuals trying to enter Australia ILLEGALLY.

Edited August 7, 2015 by TigerandDog

[simple1]

<snip>

Genuine political refugees, once confirmed, have NEVER been refused admission to Australia.

Incorrect, the current policy for those intercepted at sea, even if assessed as genuine refugees, they will never be permitted entry to Australia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNG_solution

For those seeking an entry visa for humanitarian or asylum reasons, Australia has an annual limit; for 2015 it's 13,750 of which 6,000 are refugees

Prior to repeating propaganda from the likes of Reclaim Australia, please read the facts provided at:

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp1415/RefugeeResettlement#_Toc410727175

[tigermoth]

Please note that the OP specifically says "....we have negotiated their return to Vietnam."

Pushing people back out to sea is very different than returning them, as is selling them.

Negotiated = paid.

Australia has been paing the crew of boats to return. Thus ensuring all traffickers to bring as many boats as possible to get a nice payday for agreeing to turn back.

The reasons Australia wanted the boats stopped was not to stop the refugees but because so many where dying at sea. So paying these smugglers is increasing the boats thus more people being put in danger.

It is a lie to say they have stopped the boats, they havent, they have simply stopped the boats landing in Oz. but that doesnt mean the boats have stopped. Total hypocracy to say the boats put many in danger then give crew a monetary incentive to bring more boats.

What a load of horseshit. Where did you get this crap from. I happen to know from inside sources that there is no payment given to people smugglers.

All they get is food and in many cases lifejackets.

[meltingpot2015]

The use of the word "negotiated" does not affect the outcome of the action. The boat was turned back. (period...as the americans say)

Here's another instance where:

the Vietnamese government cooperated with Australian authorities in turning back the boat to ensure it returned safely to Vietnam.

In that instance the Vietnamese government "cooperated".

Why "push the boat out to sea" and get in to hot water and face criticism for breaking international conventions, when you can hand the boat people back to where they are fleeing from. (frankly anyone who thinks there is no graft involved in all this is clearly deluded)

It does not matter a pittance, if they had entered Australia. The fact is they had contact with Australian Officials. Their claims need to be assessed.

[meltingpot2015]

Any reports of children being thrown overboard?

[Linky]

Please note that the OP specifically says "....we have negotiated their return to Vietnam."

Pushing people back out to sea is very different than returning them, as is selling them.

Negotiated = paid.

Australia has been paing the crew of boats to return. Thus ensuring all traffickers to bring as many boats as possible to get a nice payday for agreeing to turn back.

The reasons Australia wanted the boats stopped was not to stop the refugees but because so many where dying at sea. So paying these smugglers is increasing the boats thus more people being put in danger.

It is a lie to say they have stopped the boats, they havent, they have simply stopped the boats landing in Oz. but that doesnt mean the boats have stopped. Total hypocracy to say the boats put many in danger then give crew a monetary incentive to bring more boats.

What a load of horseshit. Where did you get this crap from. I happen to know from inside sources that there is no payment given to people smugglers.

All they get is food and in many cases lifejackets.

If you are not on the intercepting boat then you dont know. I believe the many reports. The fact the PM has repeatedly refused to deny it and came perilously close to accidently admitting it speaks volumes.

[Bulldozer Dawn]

The most amusing part of this story is the lie that the poor refugees have been sold about their future in Australia.

When the Australian residential property market starts to tank in the coming year and property values crash 40 to 50 percent, the prospects for a new immigrant to Australia will be bleak. The prospect for mortgaged Australian home owners will be even bleaker.

The amusing part is that these refugees would have been better off keeping the money they wasted on their ticket and investing in their own future in vietnam...one of the fastest growing economies in the region.

[FritsSikkink]

Please note that the OP specifically says "....we have negotiated their return to Vietnam."

Pushing people back out to sea is very different than returning them, as is selling them.

negotiated a wooden vessel with a warship, very humane indeed. what a load of ....

[tajtom]

Australia is the most humane country in the world and was the 1 st to take Asian refugees and every other nationallity

Gave them free home and money and life

While there own people got to pay extra taxes for them

What a joke yes turn them back send a message from time to time..... I cant see Thailand giving nothing to any of them

[Bulldozer Dawn]

Australia is the most humane country in the world and was the 1 st to take Asian refugees and every other nationallity

Gave them free home and money and life

While there own people got to pay extra taxes for them

What a joke yes turn them back send a message from time to time..... I cant see Thailand giving nothing to any of them

Maybe we can solve all Australian immigration related issues by asking?

WHAT WOULD CHOPPER DO?

[samran]

The most amusing part of this story is the lie that the poor refugees have been sold about their future in Australia.

When the Australian residential property market starts to tank in the coming year and property values crash 40 to 50 percent, the prospects for a new immigrant to Australia will be bleak. The prospect for mortgaged Australian home owners will be even bleaker.

The amusing part is that these refugees would have been better off keeping the money they wasted on their ticket and investing in their own future in vietnam...one of the fastest growing economies in the region.

If I was a new immigtant in a years time and property prices had crashed, I'd be celebrating. The fact that commodity prices are crashing means means that the AUD will regain it's status as the pacific peso. I'm busily shuffling money home at the moment.

60c US? 3 to 1 for the GBP? Migrants to oz will be laughing. A cheap house made even cheaper by a cheap AUD.

Edited August 7, 2015 by samran

[meltingpot2015]

The most amusing part of this story is the lie that the poor refugees have been sold about their future in Australia.

When the Australian residential property market starts to tank in the coming year and property values crash 40 to 50 percent, the prospects for a new immigrant to Australia will be bleak. The prospect for mortgaged Australian home owners will be even bleaker.

The amusing part is that these refugees would have been better off keeping the money they wasted on their ticket and investing in their own future in vietnam...one of the fastest growing economies in the region.

The amusing part is that these refugees would have been better off keeping the money they wasted on their ticket and investing in their own future in vietnam...one of the fastest growing economies in the region.

​Assuming they were all economic migrants.

[cookee68]

And so it should

[lap82]

So many alternatives and, in the end, nobody knows what has happened to these people on the boats...

[meltingpot2015]

And so it should

for siphoning graft?

[Ghostnigel]

Please note that the OP specifically says "....we have negotiated their return to Vietnam."

Pushing people back out to sea is very different than returning them, as is selling them.

Negotiated = paid.

Australia has been paing the crew of boats to return. Thus ensuring all traffickers to bring as many boats as possible to get a nice payday for agreeing to turn back.

The reasons Australia wanted the boats stopped was not to stop the refugees but because so many where dying at sea. So paying these smugglers is increasing the boats thus more people being put in danger.

It is a lie to say they have stopped the boats, they havent, they have simply stopped the boats landing in Oz. but that doesnt mean the boats have stopped. Total hypocracy to say the boats put many in danger then give crew a monetary incentive to bring more boats.

What a load of horseshit. Where did you get this crap from. I happen to know from inside sources that there is no payment given to people smugglers.

All they get is food and in many cases lifejackets.

If you are not on the intercepting boat then you dont know. I believe the many reports. The fact the PM has repeatedly refused to deny it and came perilously close to accidently admitting it speaks volumes.

I think the PM of Australia has more right to decide on who comes into Australia than you Linky...

[meltingpot2015]

Once upon a time. Now, the person below takes most of the decisions.

[Scott]

Off-topic post and reply removed. This topic is not about the Aboriginals.