Why is China buying one million tons of rice from Thailand?

[mango66]

its a G to G deal, understandable:

Rotten rice for rotten railwa trains,

simple - understandable,

[Anthony5]

The reform is that they are aware of the criminal actions of the PTP ministers involved and are preventing that from recurring. If we had an amnesty instead of a coup, PTP's appointed criminals would have stolen billions of baht with no repercussions.

Would that be acceptable to you?

In one word; yes. Billions have been stolen in Thailand every year for eons and no coup has ever done anything to change that. But since the PTP was involved in the rice deal (read; bogeyman in Dubai) then all reason goes out the window.

Stealing billions of baht without repercussions is acceptable to you?You stick with the reds, you will fit in well there.

I still await anyone proving where this so called billions were meant to be stolen from or whether this represents figure larger than the norm in Thai politics.

When you collect the harvest from farmers but don't pay them, that's called stealing.

When you claim that large quantities of rice are sold to foreign governments, and remove them from the stock piles but don't book any earnings in the books, that's called stealing.

When you let your mates, who are rice exporters buy stock at bargain prices, that's called stealing.

When you claim you have bought much more stock from the farmers than they actually delivered, so that you later have to burn down the warehouses to cover up that they didn't hold the stock they declared, that's called stealing.

Let me know if you need some more clarification.

[SOTIRIOS]

.......to fill a need......

...because it can.....

...good for relations.....

....just the 2 first ones should be enough.....

......nobody said it was rotten, moldy rice....and I doubt that it is.....

[tajtom]

It must be on there account son.... Who cares about the chinese

[Thai at Heart]

When you collect the harvest from farmers but don't pay them, that's called stealing.

When you claim that large quantities of rice are sold to foreign governments, and remove them from the stock piles but don't book any earnings in the books, that's called stealing.

When you let your mates, who are rice exporters buy stock at bargain prices, that's called stealing.

When you claim you have bought much more stock from the farmers than they actually delivered, so that you later have to burn down the warehouses to cover up that they didn't hold the stock they declared, that's called stealing.

Let me know if you need some more clarification.

They were prevented from paying the farmers, the vast majority were paid until the last tranche were prevented from being paid because they were an interim govt. Once govt changed over, they were paid.

As yet, the G to G issue is the only one and it possibly implicates Arisman is the name on that chit.

There is plenty of ongoing fraud in other crops in other parts of the country. So, I still ask, if anyone can prove that this type of fraud is any more serious than that carried out under other systems that have been going on for decades.

They are ALL AT IT people, and believing other wise is so incredibly naive.

[Anthony5]

When you collect the harvest from farmers but don't pay them, that's called stealing.

When you claim that large quantities of rice are sold to foreign governments, and remove them from the stock piles but don't book any earnings in the books, that's called stealing.

When you let your mates, who are rice exporters buy stock at bargain prices, that's called stealing.

When you claim you have bought much more stock from the farmers than they actually delivered, so that you later have to burn down the warehouses to cover up that they didn't hold the stock they declared, that's called stealing.

Let me know if you need some more clarification.

They were prevented from paying the farmers, the vast majority were paid until the last tranche were prevented from being paid because they were an interim govt. Once govt changed over, they were paid.

As yet, the G to G issue is the only one and it possibly implicates Arisman is the name on that chit.

There is plenty of ongoing fraud in other crops in other parts of the country. So, I still ask, if anyone can prove that this type of fraud is any more serious than that carried out under other systems that have been going on for decades.

They are ALL AT IT people, and believing other wise is so incredibly naive.

They were prevented from paying the farmers, the vast majority were paid until the last tranche were prevented from being paid because they were an interim govt. Once govt changed over, they were paid.

Early 2014 they were prevented to pay for the harvest they collected almost A YEAR earlier. Sorry mate, your red shirt is just too bright.

[billd766]

and, as the article then continues, ...

who was overthrown in a coup in May 2014. China had canceled an earlier deal to buy 1.2 million tons of Thai rice in February last year after the country’s anti-corruption agency launched a probe into the scheme

the question of the article could read "Why is China buying one million tons of rice from Thailand now?"

Will the NACC be looking into this deal with the same vigour as before?

Could it have been that the previous agreement was totally non transparent and fake as told by the PTP to keep the Thai people happy?

Could it be that this new deal is open and transparent and that the price to be paid is the international market price?

[Thai at Heart]

When you collect the harvest from farmers but don't pay them, that's called stealing.

When you claim that large quantities of rice are sold to foreign governments, and remove them from the stock piles but don't book any earnings in the books, that's called stealing.

When you let your mates, who are rice exporters buy stock at bargain prices, that's called stealing.

When you claim you have bought much more stock from the farmers than they actually delivered, so that you later have to burn down the warehouses to cover up that they didn't hold the stock they declared, that's called stealing.

Let me know if you need some more clarification.

They were prevented from paying the farmers, the vast majority were paid until the last tranche were prevented from being paid because they were an interim govt. Once govt changed over, they were paid.

As yet, the G to G issue is the only one and it possibly implicates Arisman is the name on that chit.

There is plenty of ongoing fraud in other crops in other parts of the country. So, I still ask, if anyone can prove that this type of fraud is any more serious than that carried out under other systems that have been going on for decades.

They are ALL AT IT people, and believing other wise is so incredibly naive.

They were prevented from paying the farmers, the vast majority were paid until the last tranche were prevented from being paid because they were an interim govt. Once govt changed over, they were paid.

Early 2014 they were prevented to pay for the harvest they collected almost A YEAR earlier. Sorry mate, your red shirt is just too bright.

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Thai protests grow to include unpaid rice farmers

Government can't transfer money from central budget to pay farmers for rice it has committed to buy

Feb 10, 2014 4:22 AM ETThomson Reuters

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More than 1,000 farmers protested outside the Thai government's temporary headquarters on Monday over the state's failure to pay for rice bought under a subsidy scheme that the caretaker administration admits it is struggling to fund.

The rice programme was a signature policy of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, who was swept to power in 2011 with the help of millions of rural votes, but has become one of the biggest threats to her grip on power.

ANALYSIS: Thai protests: Coup talk in the air as opposition shuts down Bangkok5 things to know about the Thai protests

Troops stood guard behind a barbed wire fence at the Defence Ministry offices in northern Bangkok that have been Yingluck's base since a campaign by anti-government protesters to disrupt normal business in the capital forced her to relocate in January.

"Don't cheat farmers, Yingluck. If you can't administer the country then get out because there are plenty of capable people willing to govern," one farmer shouted through a loudspeaker.

The anti-government protesters trying to drive Yingluck from office since November have found much of their support from middle-class, urban taxpayers appalled at what they see as corruption and waste in the rice scheme.

About 30 representatives of the farmers were allowed inside to meet Commerce Minister Niwatthamrong Bunsongphaisan and Finance Minister Kittirat Na-Ranong, but left after less than half an hour telling reporters there had been no progress.

"We will not put up with this any longer," said Kittisak Ratanawarahal, president of the Network for Northern Farmers. "We will seize government rice warehouses around the country so that the government can't swindle us anymore."

Government has limited powers

Yingluck has led a caretaker administration since December, when she dissolved parliament and called a snap election in an attempt to end the street protests, the latest instalment in eight years of on-off political turmoil that began with the ousting of her brother, Thaksin Shinawatra, in a 2006 coup.

Disruption to a Feb. 2 general election prevented voting from being completed everywhere, meaning the government remains a caretaker administration with limited spending powers until the vacant seats in parliament can be filled.

'We will seize government rice warehouses around the country so that the government can't swindle us anymore.'- Kittisak Ratanawarahal, Network for Northern Farmers president

That could take months, with the political paralysis taking an increasing toll on an already flagging economy.

The government lacks the power to transfer money from the central budget to pay for the rice it has committed to buy from farmers, some of whom have not been paid for months. Big banks have refused to offer bridging loans, unconvinced the government has the authority to seek them.

Commerce Minister Niwatthamrong told the farmers leaders' that the government had tried to borrow money from several banks over the past two weeks to pay the farmers but was refused, according to a Reuters reporter present.

"We are doing everything in our power ... but none of them will release funds. There are groups intimidating these banks into not helping us," the minister said.

Spin away as to the reasons why funding didn't happen. But attempting to steal the rice was not the reason why the farmers were delayed in getting paid.

[Anthony5]

When you collect the harvest from farmers but don't pay them, that's called stealing.

When you claim that large quantities of rice are sold to foreign governments, and remove them from the stock piles but don't book any earnings in the books, that's called stealing.

When you let your mates, who are rice exporters buy stock at bargain prices, that's called stealing.

When you claim you have bought much more stock from the farmers than they actually delivered, so that you later have to burn down the warehouses to cover up that they didn't hold the stock they declared, that's called stealing.

Let me know if you need some more clarification.

They were prevented from paying the farmers, the vast majority were paid until the last tranche were prevented from being paid because they were an interim govt. Once govt changed over, they were paid.

As yet, the G to G issue is the only one and it possibly implicates Arisman is the name on that chit.

There is plenty of ongoing fraud in other crops in other parts of the country. So, I still ask, if anyone can prove that this type of fraud is any more serious than that carried out under other systems that have been going on for decades.

They are ALL AT IT people, and believing other wise is so incredibly naive.

They were prevented from paying the farmers, the vast majority were paid until the last tranche were prevented from being paid because they were an interim govt. Once govt changed over, they were paid.

Early 2014 they were prevented to pay for the harvest they collected almost A YEAR earlier. Sorry mate, your red shirt is just too bright.

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Thai protests grow to include unpaid rice farmers

Government can't transfer money from central budget to pay farmers for rice it has committed to buy

Feb 10, 2014 4:22 AM ETThomson Reuters

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More than 1,000 farmers protested outside the Thai government's temporary headquarters on Monday over the state's failure to pay for rice bought under a subsidy scheme that the caretaker administration admits it is struggling to fund.

The rice programme was a signature policy of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, who was swept to power in 2011 with the help of millions of rural votes, but has become one of the biggest threats to her grip on power.

ANALYSIS: Thai protests: Coup talk in the air as opposition shuts down Bangkok5 things to know about the Thai protests

Troops stood guard behind a barbed wire fence at the Defence Ministry offices in northern Bangkok that have been Yingluck's base since a campaign by anti-government protesters to disrupt normal business in the capital forced her to relocate in January.

"Don't cheat farmers, Yingluck. If you can't administer the country then get out because there are plenty of capable people willing to govern," one farmer shouted through a loudspeaker.

The anti-government protesters trying to drive Yingluck from office since November have found much of their support from middle-class, urban taxpayers appalled at what they see as corruption and waste in the rice scheme.

About 30 representatives of the farmers were allowed inside to meet Commerce Minister Niwatthamrong Bunsongphaisan and Finance Minister Kittirat Na-Ranong, but left after less than half an hour telling reporters there had been no progress.

"We will not put up with this any longer," said Kittisak Ratanawarahal, president of the Network for Northern Farmers. "We will seize government rice warehouses around the country so that the government can't swindle us anymore."

Government has limited powers

Yingluck has led a caretaker administration since December, when she dissolved parliament and called a snap election in an attempt to end the street protests, the latest instalment in eight years of on-off political turmoil that began with the ousting of her brother, Thaksin Shinawatra, in a 2006 coup.

Disruption to a Feb. 2 general election prevented voting from being completed everywhere, meaning the government remains a caretaker administration with limited spending powers until the vacant seats in parliament can be filled.

'We will seize government rice warehouses around the country so that the government can't swindle us anymore.'- Kittisak Ratanawarahal, Network for Northern Farmers president

That could take months, with the political paralysis taking an increasing toll on an already flagging economy.

The government lacks the power to transfer money from the central budget to pay for the rice it has committed to buy from farmers, some of whom have not been paid for months. Big banks have refused to offer bridging loans, unconvinced the government has the authority to seek them.

Commerce Minister Niwatthamrong told the farmers leaders' that the government had tried to borrow money from several banks over the past two weeks to pay the farmers but was refused, according to a Reuters reporter present.

"We are doing everything in our power ... but none of them will release funds. There are groups intimidating these banks into not helping us," the minister said.

Spin away as to the reasons why funding didn't happen. But attempting to steal the rice was not the reason why the farmers were delayed in getting paid.

There is no spinning away, but you have been defending the rice scam ever since the protests started, so this will be my last reply to you anyway.

Just explain why a government that only became caretaker government December 2013, in February 2014 still owed money to farmers for their harvest from October 2013, and some as early as August 2013?

http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/rice-farmers-add-to-thai-govt-woes/story-e6frfkui-1226813289358

Two and a half years later, the government is now faced with a debt of about 100 billion baht ($A3.4 billion) to 1.4 million farmers who have yet to be paid for their main rice crop, sold to the government in October.

[Thai at Heart]

When you collect the harvest from farmers but don't pay them, that's called stealing.

When you claim that large quantities of rice are sold to foreign governments, and remove them from the stock piles but don't book any earnings in the books, that's called stealing.

When you let your mates, who are rice exporters buy stock at bargain prices, that's called stealing.

When you claim you have bought much more stock from the farmers than they actually delivered, so that you later have to burn down the warehouses to cover up that they didn't hold the stock they declared, that's called stealing.

Let me know if you need some more clarification.

They were prevented from paying the farmers, the vast majority were paid until the last tranche were prevented from being paid because they were an interim govt. Once govt changed over, they were paid.

As yet, the G to G issue is the only one and it possibly implicates Arisman is the name on that chit.

There is plenty of ongoing fraud in other crops in other parts of the country. So, I still ask, if anyone can prove that this type of fraud is any more serious than that carried out under other systems that have been going on for decades.

They are ALL AT IT people, and believing other wise is so incredibly naive.

They were prevented from paying the farmers, the vast majority were paid until the last tranche were prevented from being paid because they were an interim govt. Once govt changed over, they were paid.

Early 2014 they were prevented to pay for the harvest they collected almost A YEAR earlier. Sorry mate, your red shirt is just too bright.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/world/thai-protests-grow-to-include-unpaid-rice-farmers-1.2530119

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Thai protests grow to include unpaid rice farmers

Government can't transfer money from central budget to pay farmers for rice it has committed to buy

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More than 1,000 farmers protested outside the Thai government's temporary headquarters on Monday over the state's failure to pay for rice bought under a subsidy scheme that the caretaker administration admits it is struggling to fund.

The rice programme was a signature policy of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, who was swept to power in 2011 with the help of millions of rural votes, but has become one of the biggest threats to her grip on power.

ANALYSIS: Thai protests: Coup talk in the air as opposition shuts down Bangkok5 things to know about the Thai protests

Troops stood guard behind a barbed wire fence at the Defence Ministry offices in northern Bangkok that have been Yingluck's base since a campaign by anti-government protesters to disrupt normal business in the capital forced her to relocate in January.

"Don't cheat farmers, Yingluck. If you can't administer the country then get out because there are plenty of capable people willing to govern," one farmer shouted through a loudspeaker.

The anti-government protesters trying to drive Yingluck from office since November have found much of their support from middle-class, urban taxpayers appalled at what they see as corruption and waste in the rice scheme.

About 30 representatives of the farmers were allowed inside to meet Commerce Minister Niwatthamrong Bunsongphaisan and Finance Minister Kittirat Na-Ranong, but left after less than half an hour telling reporters there had been no progress.

"We will not put up with this any longer," said Kittisak Ratanawarahal, president of the Network for Northern Farmers. "We will seize government rice warehouses around the country so that the government can't swindle us anymore."

Government has limited powers

Yingluck has led a caretaker administration since December, when she dissolved parliament and called a snap election in an attempt to end the street protests, the latest instalment in eight years of on-off political turmoil that began with the ousting of her brother, Thaksin Shinawatra, in a 2006 coup.

Disruption to a Feb. 2 general election prevented voting from being completed everywhere, meaning the government remains a caretaker administration with limited spending powers until the vacant seats in parliament can be filled.

'We will seize government rice warehouses around the country so that the government can't swindle us anymore.'- Kittisak Ratanawarahal, Network for Northern Farmers president

That could take months, with the political paralysis taking an increasing toll on an already flagging economy.

The government lacks the power to transfer money from the central budget to pay for the rice it has committed to buy from farmers, some of whom have not been paid for months. Big banks have refused to offer bridging loans, unconvinced the government has the authority to seek them.

Commerce Minister Niwatthamrong told the farmers leaders' that the government had tried to borrow money from several banks over the past two weeks to pay the farmers but was refused, according to a Reuters reporter present.

"We are doing everything in our power ... but none of them will release funds. There are groups intimidating these banks into not helping us," the minister said.

Spin away as to the reasons why funding didn't happen. But attempting to steal the rice was not the reason why the farmers were delayed in getting paid.

There is no spinning away, but you have been defending the rice scam ever since the protests started, so this will be my last reply to you anyway.

Just explain why a government that only became caretaker government December 2013, in February 2014 still owed money to farmers for their harvest from October 2013, and some as early as August 2013?

http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/rice-farmers-add-to-thai-govt-woes/story-e6frfkui-1226813289358

Two and a half years later, the government is now faced with a debt of about 100 billion baht ($A3.4 billion) to 1.4 million farmers who have yet to be paid for their main rice crop, sold to the government in October.

You said that not paying for the rice was attempted theft. That is a fairly clear definition.

And no, I am not red to the extent of saying this policy was correct. What I object to is whilst money is now being pumped into rubber and palm oil that is apparently all done in a justifiable manner but this other policy must somehow result in massive criminal prosecution.

Every subsidy or payment scheme in the history of Thailand has been filled with corruption and theft. And yet, today, this one is being turned over.

That is fine. But they aren't even going after the people in the right way. They are chasing mould losses which are the warehouses responsibility, when the crime is possibly the structure of the system itself.

So, I do support payments to farmers to help them subsist and I oppose hypocrisy.

Get Yingluck for what u can, but chasing her for usd because the rice went mouldy isn't going to work. Otherwise, it is obvious that this is not an attempt to stop corruption but a witch Hunt.

How is the palm oil king? His hair grown out now he's out of the temple. Positively sparkly now he's so clean and all.

[halloween]

You said that not paying for the rice was attempted theft. That is a fairly clear definition.

And no, I am not red to the extent of saying this policy was correct. What I object to is whilst money is now being pumped into rubber and palm oil that is apparently all done in a justifiable manner but this other policy must somehow result in massive criminal prosecution.

Every subsidy or payment scheme in the history of Thailand has been filled with corruption and theft. And yet, today, this one is being turned over.

That is fine. But they aren't even going after the people in the right way. They are chasing mould losses which are the warehouses responsibility, when the crime is possibly the structure of the system itself.

So, I do support payments to farmers to help them subsist and I oppose hypocrisy.

Get Yingluck for what u can, but chasing her for usd because the rice went mouldy isn't going to work. Otherwise, it is obvious that this is not an attempt to stop corruption but a witch Hunt.

How is the palm oil king? His hair grown out now he's out of the temple. Positively sparkly now he's so clean and all.

Can I suggest that support for rubber and palm oil (and rice) is justifiable because it is done via the budget, proper accounts are being kept, and there will be no multi-billion baht losses incurred. which all add up to no need for prosecution.

Nice of you to support payments to help them subsist. Personally, I would prefer measures to get them out of a subsistence lifestyle and into a more prosperous and higher quality of life.

[Thai at Heart]

You said that not paying for the rice was attempted theft. That is a fairly clear definition.

And no, I am not red to the extent of saying this policy was correct. What I object to is whilst money is now being pumped into rubber and palm oil that is apparently all done in a justifiable manner but this other policy must somehow result in massive criminal prosecution.

Every subsidy or payment scheme in the history of Thailand has been filled with corruption and theft. And yet, today, this one is being turned over.

That is fine. But they aren't even going after the people in the right way. They are chasing mould losses which are the warehouses responsibility, when the crime is possibly the structure of the system itself.

So, I do support payments to farmers to help them subsist and I oppose hypocrisy.

Get Yingluck for what u can, but chasing her for usd because the rice went mouldy isn't going to work. Otherwise, it is obvious that this is not an attempt to stop corruption but a witch Hunt.

How is the palm oil king? His hair grown out now he's out of the temple. Positively sparkly now he's so clean and all.

Can I suggest that support for rubber and palm oil (and rice) is justifiable because it is done via the budget, proper accounts are being kept, and there will be no multi-billion baht losses incurred. which all add up to no need for prosecution.

Nice of you to support payments to help them subsist. Personally, I would prefer measures to get them out of a subsistence lifestyle and into a more prosperous and higher quality of life.

I said subsist as a minimum because the current system can't provide much more. I meant it more from people claiming that all assistance is in some way inherently wrong or dangerous. Many will have to exit agriculture and move into other industry to get more. The small hold farmer is in real trouble in Thailand.

There has been theft and corruption is Thai agriculture government intervention for ever. Hanging Yingluck for mould is nonsense. Maybe they can get them for the basic loss to the state.

Let's see.

[ramrod711]

Seeing Thai rice on supermarket shelves in China is common, but what is also noticed is that the Thai rice seems to move of the shelves quicker than local rice.

The problem is that the rice is moving off the shelves propelled by the weevils and other critters contained within, due to the rice being stored for multiple years.

[halloween]

You said that not paying for the rice was attempted theft. That is a fairly clear definition.

And no, I am not red to the extent of saying this policy was correct. What I object to is whilst money is now being pumped into rubber and palm oil that is apparently all done in a justifiable manner but this other policy must somehow result in massive criminal prosecution.

Every subsidy or payment scheme in the history of Thailand has been filled with corruption and theft. And yet, today, this one is being turned over.

That is fine. But they aren't even going after the people in the right way. They are chasing mould losses which are the warehouses responsibility, when the crime is possibly the structure of the system itself.

So, I do support payments to farmers to help them subsist and I oppose hypocrisy.

Get Yingluck for what u can, but chasing her for usd because the rice went mouldy isn't going to work. Otherwise, it is obvious that this is not an attempt to stop corruption but a witch Hunt.

How is the palm oil king? His hair grown out now he's out of the temple. Positively sparkly now he's so clean and all.

Can I suggest that support for rubber and palm oil (and rice) is justifiable because it is done via the budget, proper accounts are being kept, and there will be no multi-billion baht losses incurred. which all add up to no need for prosecution.

Nice of you to support payments to help them subsist. Personally, I would prefer measures to get them out of a subsistence lifestyle and into a more prosperous and higher quality of life.

I said subsist as a minimum because the current system can't provide much more. I meant it more from people claiming that all assistance is in some way inherently wrong or dangerous. Many will have to exit agriculture and move into other industry to get more. The small hold farmer is in real trouble in Thailand.

There has been theft and corruption is Thai agriculture government intervention for ever. Hanging Yingluck for mould is nonsense. Maybe they can get them for the basic loss to the state.

Let's see.

Can you get over the bloody mould? Nobody is hanging her over mouldy rice, it is for wasting huge sums of money on a ridiculous vote buying scheme with no clear records of where the money has been lost.

And of that lost money, very very little if any went to subsistence farmers. Who surely are in trouble, and the sooner the country reduces the number of people scrabbling in the mud for a paltry return, the better off the country will be.

Edited August 12, 2015 by halloween

[Thai at Heart]

You said that not paying for the rice was attempted theft. That is a fairly clear definition.

And no, I am not red to the extent of saying this policy was correct. What I object to is whilst money is now being pumped into rubber and palm oil that is apparently all done in a justifiable manner but this other policy must somehow result in massive criminal prosecution.

Every subsidy or payment scheme in the history of Thailand has been filled with corruption and theft. And yet, today, this one is being turned over.

That is fine. But they aren't even going after the people in the right way. They are chasing mould losses which are the warehouses responsibility, when the crime is possibly the structure of the system itself.

So, I do support payments to farmers to help them subsist and I oppose hypocrisy.

Get Yingluck for what u can, but chasing her for usd because the rice went mouldy isn't going to work. Otherwise, it is obvious that this is not an attempt to stop corruption but a witch Hunt.

How is the palm oil king? His hair grown out now he's out of the temple. Positively sparkly now he's so clean and all.

Can I suggest that support for rubber and palm oil (and rice) is justifiable because it is done via the budget, proper accounts are being kept, and there will be no multi-billion baht losses incurred. which all add up to no need for prosecution.

Nice of you to support payments to help them subsist. Personally, I would prefer measures to get them out of a subsistence lifestyle and into a more prosperous and higher quality of life.

I said subsist as a minimum because the current system can't provide much more. I meant it more from people claiming that all assistance is in some way inherently wrong or dangerous. Many will have to exit agriculture and move into other industry to get more. The small hold farmer is in real trouble in Thailand.

There has been theft and corruption is Thai agriculture government intervention for ever. Hanging Yingluck for mould is nonsense. Maybe they can get them for the basic loss to the state.

Let's see.

Can you get over the bloody mould? Nobody is hanging her over mouldy rice, it is for wasting huge sums of money on a ridiculous vote buying scheme with no clear records of where the money has been lost.

And of that lost money, very very little if any went to subsistence farmers. Who surely are in trouble, and the sooner the country reduces the number of people scrabbling in the mud for a paltry return, the better off the country will be.

So without the mould and damage losses what is the value of the loss.

[halloween]

So without the mould and damage losses what is the value of the loss.

Ask Yingluk, she's the one responsible for keeping the accounts. OTOH the figures for price paid and returns on sales were discussed earlier. You could add storage costs to that as well.

[Thai at Heart]

So without the mould and damage losses what is the value of the loss.

Ask Yingluk, she's the one responsible for keeping the accounts. OTOH the figures for price paid and returns on sales were discussed earlier. You could add storage costs to that as well.

Would u have preferred they hadn't spent that money too. I mean not having storage would be a good plan right.

Look at the numbers for the volume and yield it all up 45% then tell me you believe the Reds managed somehow to lever extra bazillions out into their personal hands through corruption.

Edited August 12, 2015 by Thai at Heart

[halloween]

So without the mould and damage losses what is the value of the loss.

Ask Yingluk, she's the one responsible for keeping the accounts. OTOH the figures for price paid and returns on sales were discussed earlier. You could add storage costs to that as well.

Would u have preferred they hadn't spent that money too. I mean not having storage would be a good plan right.

Look at the numbers for the volume and yield it all up 45% then tell me you believe the Reds managed somehow to lever extra bazillions out into their personal hands through corruption.

To save repeating myself, see the reply to your post in "600 billion" thread.

[Thai at Heart]

So without the mould and damage losses what is the value of the loss.

Ask Yingluk, she's the one responsible for keeping the accounts. OTOH the figures for price paid and returns on sales were discussed earlier. You could add storage costs to that as well.

Would u have preferred they hadn't spent that money too. I mean not having storage would be a good plan right.

Look at the numbers for the volume and yield it all up 45% then tell me you believe the Reds managed somehow to lever extra bazillions out into their personal hands through corruption.

To save repeating myself, see the reply to your post in "600 billion" thread.

So u admit the overwhelming amount of the loss is accounted for in the system.

So no significant corruption or theft? I. E more than 5%

[halloween]

So u admit the overwhelming amount of the loss is accounted for in the system.

So no significant corruption or theft? I. E more than 5%

If you mean paying far more than it was worth, yes, although the figures for storage would be significant. You discount that, but it was an inherent cost in buying huge volumes that they couldn't sell.

i take it you have read my other post. Don't you recognise that profiting from a hugely expensive policy, which completely failed in its stated aim, is corruption?

[Thai at Heart]

So u admit the overwhelming amount of the loss is accounted for in the system.

So no significant corruption or theft? I. E more than 5%

If you mean paying far more than it was worth, yes, although the figures for storage would be significant. You discount that, but it was an inherent cost in buying huge volumes that they couldn't sell.

i take it you have read my other post. Don't you recognise that profiting from a hugely expensive policy, which completely failed in its stated aim, is corruption?

Now that is for a court to decide. The whole nature of Thai politics is conflict of interest. But owning land that might get farmed isn't illegal yet in Thailand I think.

There are dozens of politicians on a sides tied to rice, sugar and rubber, eggs, or chickens all writing their own policies to their own benefit.

U actually don't know if one grain of rice is grown on shinawatra land anyway.

[halloween]

So u admit the overwhelming amount of the loss is accounted for in the system.

So no significant corruption or theft? I. E more than 5%

If you mean paying far more than it was worth, yes, although the figures for storage would be significant. You discount that, but it was an inherent cost in buying huge volumes that they couldn't sell.

i take it you have read my other post. Don't you recognise that profiting from a hugely expensive policy, which completely failed in its stated aim, is corruption?

Now that is for a court to decide. The whole nature of Thai politics is conflict of interest. But owning land that might get farmed isn't illegal yet in Thailand I think.

There are dozens of politicians on a sides tied to rice, sugar and rubber, eggs, or chickens all writing their own policies to their own benefit.

U actually don't know if one grain of rice is grown on shinawatra land anyway.

Yes there are, but their policies didn't cost the country 6 or 7 hundred billion baht. Would you bet that the shins didn't profit from that scam?

[Thai at Heart]

So u admit the overwhelming amount of the loss is accounted for in the system.

So no significant corruption or theft? I. E more than 5%

If you mean paying far more than it was worth, yes, although the figures for storage would be significant. You discount that, but it was an inherent cost in buying huge volumes that they couldn't sell.

i take it you have read my other post. Don't you recognise that profiting from a hugely expensive policy, which completely failed in its stated aim, is corruption?

Now that is for a court to decide. The whole nature of Thai politics is conflict of interest. But owning land that might get farmed isn't illegal yet in Thailand I think.

There are dozens of politicians on a sides tied to rice, sugar and rubber, eggs, or chickens all writing their own policies to their own benefit.

U actually don't know if one grain of rice is grown on shinawatra land anyway.

Yes there are, but their policies didn't cost the country 6 or 7 hundred billion baht. Would you bet that the shins didn't profit from that scam?

Well sitting on here saying "we all know they profited". Doesn't make it true.

I don't know if the did or didn't, but I would rather wait to see if they can come up with a concrete case to convict someone of something criminal than accuse them with little personal evidence.

That is called being biased, and makes discussing rather difficult. Yes they are all dodgy, do I think they would make a policy stand so they can put up the rent on their land.

Oh please......

I think they made more than enough billions on telephones to worry about 100mn here or there. So did they personally pocket something on the rice scheme.. You don't give anyone much credit do you.

Did they know about others corruption. Maybe, maybe not.

What can they convict her for. So far apparently not corruption. Which begs the question. If the numbers were so massive and obvious where is she keeping all this extra rent from her land. Under the bed.

Yeah right...

[halloween]

Well sitting on here saying "we all know they profited". Doesn't make it true.

I don't know if the did or didn't, but I would rather wait to see if they can come up with a concrete case to convict someone of something criminal than accuse them with little personal evidence.

That is called being biased, and makes discussing rather difficult. Yes they are all dodgy, do I think they would make a policy stand so they can put up the rent on their land.

Oh please......

I think they made more than enough billions on telephones to worry about 100mn here or there. So did they personally pocket something on the rice scheme.. You don't give anyone much credit do you.

Did they know about others corruption. Maybe, maybe not.

What can they convict her for. So far apparently not corruption. Which begs the question. If the numbers were so massive and obvious where is she keeping all this extra rent from her land. Under the bed.

Yeah right...

Do you know how many times I've that red crap that Thaksin was too rich to be corrupt? Anyway, the current charge is negligence for failing to manage the policy correctly. Not hard to prove. any corruption charges after that would be icing on the cake.

[Thai at Heart]

Well sitting on here saying "we all know they profited". Doesn't make it true.

I don't know if the did or didn't, but I would rather wait to see if they can come up with a concrete case to convict someone of something criminal than accuse them with little personal evidence.

That is called being biased, and makes discussing rather difficult. Yes they are all dodgy, do I think they would make a policy stand so they can put up the rent on their land.

Oh please......

I think they made more than enough billions on telephones to worry about 100mn here or there. So did they personally pocket something on the rice scheme.. You don't give anyone much credit do you.

Did they know about others corruption. Maybe, maybe not.

What can they convict her for. So far apparently not corruption. Which begs the question. If the numbers were so massive and obvious where is she keeping all this extra rent from her land. Under the bed.

Yeah right...

Do you know how many times I've that red crap that Thaksin was too rich to be corrupt? Anyway, the current charge is negligence for failing to manage the policy correctly. Not hard to prove. any corruption charges after that would be icing on the cake.

It still doesn't change the fact that there is so far zero proof that Yingluk took one satang out of the rice scheme. She isn't being charged with corruption, she is being charged with negligence.

They got thaksin on a paperwork charge, do you think if they could they wouldn't want to get Yingluk on actually profiting financially if they could.

I don't care what you think, I care what they can prove. Just saying they made money out of it means nothing.

So screaming they were obviously corrupt because I say so, means Nothing. Prove it, or its all just hot air.

There is barely a family in Thailand with position and power who hasn't abused their position or power.

Do you know how the top Democrat families made their money? And u think that despite in your opinion personally removing billions from the rice system no one has even the slightest on how Yingluk did it.

Yeah right.

Edited August 12, 2015 by Thai at Heart

[ramrod711]

So the management of the system, includes the rental of storage facilities and oversight of those facilities or not. The fact that no proper inspections were done, safe to say in light of the fact that large quantities of rice were missing and replaced with stacks of empty pallets and scaffolding, doesn't indicate mismanagement to you? The fact that rice was flowing into Thailand from surrounding countries isn't incompetence. The scheme was poorly conceived, administered and financed. I have no idea who profited, probably will never know, but it was certainly a disaster. You want to help farmers, educate them, make sure they have access to water, seed and fertilizer and then subsidize them directly. Attempting to drive up the world price is idiocy at best, criminal at worst.

[Thai at Heart]

So the management of the system, includes the rental of storage facilities and oversight of those facilities or not. The fact that no proper inspections were done, safe to say in light of the fact that large quantities of rice were missing and replaced with stacks of empty pallets and scaffolding, doesn't indicate mismanagement to you? The fact that rice was flowing into Thailand from surrounding countries isn't incompetence. The scheme was poorly conceived, administered and financed. I have no idea who profited, probably will never know, but it was certainly a disaster. You want to help farmers, educate them, make sure they have access to water, seed and fertilizer and then subsidize them directly. Attempting to drive up the world price is idiocy at best, criminal at worst.

All supposition.

Who says no inspections were done?

And some was nicked. There are dodgy people. 50.000.000 kilograms was stolen by this scaffolding trick. And u know what. They got caught.

It happens every day.

You try herding 18,000,000,000 kilograms of product and tell me none go missing anywhere in the world.

It was a badly thought out policy. Farmers are as badly off now as before.

[Basil B]

And what currency will China be using...

[rubl]

And what currency will China be using...

The OP only mentions

"agreement is part of a broader memorandum of understanding (MoU) the two countries reached last December for China to buy two million tons of rice from Thailand"

I haven't received by copy of the MoU yet, so don't know how it's phrased

[GOLDBUGGY]

"Why is China buying one million tons of rice from Thailand?"

And the answer to the question is..........?????

Because they are hungry......?

One Million Tons of Rice split between 1.4 Billion Chinese People isn't very much Rice. That is less than a Kilo Per Person, or 1,4 lbs. My Wife can eat that in a week.

I say sell it all and get rid of it. The price of Rice isn't going to go up much when the whole world knows that Thailand is stockpiling it. As soon as that is gone maybe we will see some price stability then.