Koh Tao murder trial reconvenes in Koh Samui

[loonodingle]

http://www.samuitimes.com/koh-tao-murder-trial-reconvenes-in-koh-samui/

Quote from above paper

The forlorn mother of Zaw Lin arrived alone at the court house to support her son supported by two friends, one of whom led her up the steps to the court when Human Rights Activist Andy Hall declined to help or even acknowledge her, an incident caught on a local TV

This plus backing down on the DNA something tells me its not going that great for the defense,

Dont feed this Troll.

He couldn't tell the time let alone what's going well.

[sweatalot]

Yes this thread is much clearer now but anyone is entitled to their opinion, imo no need to even discuss trolls siince some of you think all who is not 100% sure B2 are innocent are trolls in your eyes. I always said 50/50 regarding B2 . Just accept it instead of insulting other members with a different opinion.

it is a difference when you just say you are not sure and are open to discussion

or when you try to discredit other posters, attack them, use "unusual" ways of seeing the facts, denie facts

and never ever waste a thought that your "oppinion" might be incorrect

[Darkknight666]

Yes this thread is much clearer now but anyone is entitled to their opinion, imo no need to even discuss trolls siince some of you think all who is not 100% sure B2 are innocent are trolls in your eyes. I always said 50/50 regarding B2 . Just accept it instead of insulting other members with a different opinion.

Wrong, nobody here claims to know 100% one way or the other, we're going off probabilities because most of us come from a place where the Police and justice system are fair and transparent, making it easier for us to smell a rat, a big nasty rat hailing from Tao someplace, most likely not a migrant, but a well connected local... Add to that the blatant incompetence in the investigation from beginning until, well, now... And things start to add up.

Sometimes Balo you seem rational, and sometimes (in the Koh Tao threads) you're far from it. Not to worry, thing are drawing to a close and within mere months we will know much more.

Hang in there.

[KunMatt]

Yes this thread is much clearer now but anyone is entitled to their opinion, imo no need to even discuss trolls siince some of you think all who is not 100% sure B2 are innocent are trolls in your eyes. I always said 50/50 regarding B2 . Just accept it instead of insulting other members with a different opinion.

Oh, now you're 50/50? Is that because given recently events you are backpeddling on everything you said over the last 11 months?

You've been one of the worst stirrers and spreaders of misinformation on these threads, you've been here only to get threads shut down and then you "Like" the post when a mod states a thread is closed, and many many times you have outright said and maintained that you believe the B2 were guilty and the RTP did a great job.

But now you're 50/50. lol. I said before that when the trial is over a lot of members will have to change their usernames out of the disgraceful things they have been saying and doing during the course of this case, but I guess some of them will try to quietly change allegiance and be like "well, I did say I was 50/50 that one time."

[balo]

Yes this thread is much clearer now but anyone is entitled to their opinion, imo no need to even discuss trolls siince some of you think all who is not 100% sure B2 are innocent are trolls in your eyes. I always said 50/50 regarding B2 . Just accept it instead of insulting other members with a different opinion.

Wrong, nobody here claims to know 100% one way or the other, we're going off probabilities because most of us come from a place where the Police and justice system are fair and transparent, making it easier for us to smell a rat, a big nasty rat hailing from Tao someplace, most likely not a migrant, but a well connected local... Add to that the blatant incompetence in the investigation from beginning until, well, now... And things start to add up.

Sometimes Balo you seem rational, and sometimes (in the Koh Tao threads) you're far from it. Not to worry, thing are drawing to a close and within mere months we will know much more.

Hang in there.

I said some of you , not all of you.

We should all seek justice in the end, so yes hang in there.

[loonodingle]

Yes this thread is much clearer now but anyone is entitled to their opinion, imo no need to even discuss trolls siince some of you think all who is not 100% sure B2 are innocent are trolls in your eyes. I always said 50/50 regarding B2 . Just accept it instead of insulting other members with a different opinion.

Wrong, nobody here claims to know 100% one way or the other, we're going off probabilities because most of us come from a place where the Police and justice system are fair and transparent, making it easier for us to smell a rat, a big nasty rat hailing from Tao someplace, most likely not a migrant, but a well connected local... Add to that the blatant incompetence in the investigation from beginning until, well, now... And things start to add up.

Sometimes Balo you seem rational, and sometimes (in the Koh Tao threads) you're far from it. Not to worry, thing are drawing to a close and within mere months we will know much more.

Hang in there.

I don't know 100% either.

Like you I have remained sceptical based on reports and evidence produced. I wasn't there and neither was any other posters I guess. Well they might have been which is why the don't want justice?.

My theory about the DNA and the other evidence being produced from UK is that. A theory based on what I have had knowledge of. Personally I think Sean McAnna was also around when it kicked of. But anyway lets see what happens.

If anyone does know 100% please post the murderes names on here if u dont mind. Thx.

[boomerangutang]

Tony121, if you want to be taken seriously, you've got to try and post things which have some useful substance. Trying to find fault with Andrew is low class. Even RTP echoers would have to agree. Andrew is the kind of fellow who puts himself in harm's way in order to try and help disadvantaged people. The only thing more noble than that, in my view, is going out on a limb to try to help the environment and the plethora of other species we share the planet with. Both endeavors are life-threatening. I don't know how many social workers have been killed by Thai VIP's, but in just the first decade of this century, at least 20 Thai environmental activists were murdered by Chinese-Thai VIP's, and most of those murders happened at Thailand's southern isthmus. Probably no surprise, that RTP's finest were not able to apprehend or convict anyone for any of those 20 murders, even though locals knew who were behind them.

If crime detection was an Olympic event, Thailand would score badly.

[metisdead]

If you do not want to have your posts removed, post in a civil and level headed manner and stay within the forum rules:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?app=forums&module=extras&section=boardrules

[IslandLover]

http://www.samuitimes.com/koh-tao-murder-trial-reconvenes-in-koh-samui/

Quote from above paper

The forlorn mother of Zaw Lin arrived alone at the court house to support her son supported by two friends, one of whom led her up the steps to the court when Human Rights Activist Andy Hall declined to help or even acknowledge her, an incident caught on a local TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OYI_dzhauI

This plus backing down on the DNA something tells me its not going that great for the defense,

Well, that's one way of looking at it I suppose. Your way of course .

[Wadan]

how in the name of decency can this charade be allowed to continue

[Tony121]

Tony121, if you want to be taken seriously, you've got to try and post things which have some useful substance. Trying to find fault with Andrew is low class. Even RTP echoers would have to agree. Andrew is the kind of fellow who puts himself in harm's way in order to try and help disadvantaged people. The only thing more noble than that, in my view, is going out on a limb to try to help the environment and the plethora of other species we share the planet with. Both endeavors are life-threatening. I don't know how many social workers have been killed by Thai VIP's, but in just the first decade of this century, at least 20 Thai environmental activists were murdered by Chinese-Thai VIP's, and most of those murders happened at Thailand's southern isthmus. Probably no surprise, that RTP's finest were not able to apprehend or convict anyone for any of those 20 murders, even though locals knew who were behind them.

If crime detection was an Olympic event, Thailand would score badly.

well I did post the most important news in the last 24 hours that the defense has said it no longer wants the DNA retested.

If people want real justice then you should be willing to except both sides rather than resorting to calling someone a troll, and yes there are plenty of human rights people that do good in Thailand its just my opinion that Andy is not one of them.

If Andy wanted true justice why hide important information in the small print of his fundraising page ? why not tell all the facts then let people make a informed decision and then decide if they should donate or not ?

[thailandchilli]

how in the name of decency can this charade be allowed to continue

The prosecution have just 2 days more of their story telling then its the turn of the defense, if the powers that be in Thailand thinks this case is hurting their image then they've no seen anything yet!

[thailandchilli]

Tony121, if you want to be taken seriously, you've got to try and post things which have some useful substance. Trying to find fault with Andrew is low class. Even RTP echoers would have to agree. Andrew is the kind of fellow who puts himself in harm's way in order to try and help disadvantaged people. The only thing more noble than that, in my view, is going out on a limb to try to help the environment and the plethora of other species we share the planet with. Both endeavors are life-threatening. I don't know how many social workers have been killed by Thai VIP's, but in just the first decade of this century, at least 20 Thai environmental activists were murdered by Chinese-Thai VIP's, and most of those murders happened at Thailand's southern isthmus. Probably no surprise, that RTP's finest were not able to apprehend or convict anyone for any of those 20 murders, even though locals knew who were behind them.

If crime detection was an Olympic event, Thailand would score badly.

well I did post the most important news in the last 24 hours that the defense has said it no longer wants the DNA retested.

If people want real justice then you should be willing to except both sides rather than resorting to calling someone a troll, and yes there are plenty of human rights people that do good in Thailand its just my opinion that Andy is not one of them.

If Andy wanted true justice why hide important information in the small print of his fundraising page ? why not tell all the facts then let people make a informed decision and then decide if they should donate or not ?

The fact that you read the small print on the donation page means its not hidden. But then like the forum rules you appear to find everything hidden

Your opinion on Andy does not stop others ridiculing you for it. To say that he does no good in Thailand is to expose yourself as having a clear personal agenda against Andy, much like the Natural Fruit Company in Thailand who is taking him back to court on appeal thats been endorsed by the Thai government, your in their company, like to like I guess

[boomerangutang]

how in the name of decency can this charade be allowed to continue

The prosecution have just 2 days more of their story telling then its the turn of the defense, if the powers that be in Thailand thinks this case is hurting their image then they've no seen anything yet!

I hope I'm wrong, but I venture there's a 60/40 chance a mistrial will be declared before or on Sept.1. The reason: Anyone with half a brain can see the prosecution is hanging on the outside of the ropes (a boxing expression) - and that's after the prosecution has had (nearly all) their days in court - presenting their case. It's not a whole lot different than the British vs the French fleet at the battle of Trafalgar. The French (no offense) got off most of the first shots, but caused little damage. Then, by the time Lord Nelson got his ships lined up the way he directed, the French fleet was compelled to sail on by in such a way as to afford the Brits perfect firing positions.

[outsider]

Still... job well done to the RTP. Endorsed by the esteemed general, no less.

[catsanddogs]

http://www.samuitimes.com/koh-tao-murder-trial-reconvenes-in-koh-samui/

Quote from above paper

The forlorn mother of Zaw Lin arrived alone at the court house to support her son supported by two friends, one of whom led her up the steps to the court when Human Rights Activist Andy Hall declined to help or even acknowledge her, an incident caught on a local TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OYI_dzhauI

This plus backing down on the DNA something tells me its not going that great for the defense,

Doesn't look like she was struggling to me and neither does it look like she was snubbed in anyway by anyone. Propaganda no doubt.

[berybert]

http://www.samuitimes.com/koh-tao-murder-trial-reconvenes-in-koh-samui/

Quote from above paper

The forlorn mother of Zaw Lin arrived alone at the court house to support her son supported by two friends, one of whom led her up the steps to the court when Human Rights Activist Andy Hall declined to help or even acknowledge her, an incident caught on a local TV

This plus backing down on the DNA something tells me its not going that great for the defense,

Doesn't look like she was struggling to me and neither does it look like she was snubbed in anyway by anyone. Propaganda no doubt.

Just watched the video. Really is that the best you have ?

I don't think anyone would want you done for defamation.

You just need a rusk and have someone read you a bed time story.

[berybert]

Bty when you are walking up a set of stairs with someone else, you are not alone.

[berybert]

The mother arrived alone supported by two friends.

Did the RTP write this report ?

Have you yet realized what is wrong yet.

[catsanddogs]

http://www.samuitimes.com/koh-tao-murder-trial-reconvenes-in-koh-samui/

Quote from above paper

The forlorn mother of Zaw Lin arrived alone at the court house to support her son supported by two friends, one of whom led her up the steps to the court when Human Rights Activist Andy Hall declined to help or even acknowledge her, an incident caught on a local TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OYI_dzhauI

This plus backing down on the DNA something tells me its not going that great for the defense,

Doesn't look like she was struggling to me and neither does it look like she was snubbed in anyway by anyone. Propaganda no doubt.

One of the comments from this article says it better than I could -

Wow incredible reporting, your use of the adjective forlorn is ridiculous and obviously biased. You infer a state of mind from the look on a worried mothers face ? do you really believe as you infer that the lady has no hope? or were you attempting to put into your readers minds the other meaning :desolate, deserted, abandoned, forsaken, forgotten, neglected. I suspect that you are trying to paint a picture of someone who knows her child is guilty, when that is as far from the truth as it is possible to get. What I see is a Mother who can see her son is being framed for a crime he didn't commit and fears that the press is complicit in the propaganda to frame him too. I realise Thailand is ruled by a corrupt tinpot General and his cohort, but this level of collusion is farcical. Shame on you and your editor. (Neil Mcmillan )

http://www.samuitimes.com/koh-tao-murder-trial-reconvenes-in-koh-samui/

[berybert]

Someone mentioned the RTP playing a game of Colombo. We want DNA, for 11 months we want DNA. OK you can have DNA. We don't want DNA. Errrr my wife thinks you're wonderful.

[Tony121]

Don't shoot the messenger !

if you don't like it why don't you contact the author directly ?

[berybert]

Don't shoot the messenger !

if you don't like it why don't you contact the author directly ?

I doubt the author would understand anything not written in crayon

[catsanddogs]

Don't shoot the messenger !

if you don't like it why don't you contact the author directly ?

Hello Tony121 - are you addressing my post? If so, I was not shooting any messenger, merely commenting on the video clip you kindly posted and highlighting a comment from the newspaper which summed up my own feelings.

[silverado]

Yes this thread is much clearer now but anyone is entitled to their opinion, imo no need to even discuss trolls siince some of you think all who is not 100% sure B2 are innocent are trolls in your eyes. I always said 50/50 regarding B2 . Just accept it instead of insulting other members with a different opinion.

Oh, now you're 50/50? Is that because given recently events you are backpeddling on everything you said over the last 11 months?

You've been one of the worst stirrers and spreaders of misinformation on these threads, you've been here only to get threads shut down and then you "Like" the post when a mod states a thread is closed, and many many times you have outright said and maintained that you believe the B2 were guilty and the RTP did a great job.

But now you're 50/50. lol. I said before that when the trial is over a lot of members will have to change their usernames out of the disgraceful things they have been saying and doing during the course of this case, but I guess some of them will try to quietly change allegiance and be like "well, I did say I was 50/50 that one time."

[Linky]

http://www.samuitimes.com/koh-tao-murder-trial-reconvenes-in-koh-samui/

Quote from above paper

The forlorn mother of Zaw Lin arrived alone at the court house to support her son supported by two friends, one of whom led her up the steps to the court when Human Rights Activist Andy Hall declined to help or even acknowledge her, an incident caught on a local TV

This plus backing down on the DNA something tells me its not going that great for the defense,

Umm ok lets look at the video you posted and what you posted.

1. Andy Hall declined to help or even acknowledge her......where is Andy in the video showing that?

2. Backing down on the dna.?....what backing down? They only said they dontbwant new dna evidence to be potentially tainted by rtp. They dont trust them.

If u are to be judged by only police evidence would u trust it or want your lawyer to ensure they never got their hands on it.

But more to your point, answer this...

Why would you think police dna results and interpretaion is more reliable than defence results and interpretation?

These are rhetorical questions as I do not wish to feed trolls.

[Tony121]

Don't shoot the messenger !

if you don't like it why don't you contact the author directly ?

Hello Tony121 - are you addressing my post? If so, I was not shooting any messenger, merely commenting on the video clip you kindly posted and highlighting a comment from the newspaper which summed up my own feelings.

No not at you sorry for any confusion.

[Tony121]

http://www.samuitimes.com/koh-tao-murder-trial-reconvenes-in-koh-samui/

Quote from above paper

The forlorn mother of Zaw Lin arrived alone at the court house to support her son supported by two friends, one of whom led her up the steps to the court when Human Rights Activist Andy Hall declined to help or even acknowledge her, an incident caught on a local TV

This plus backing down on the DNA something tells me its not going that great for the defense,

Umm ok lets look at the video you posted and what you posted.

1. Andy Hall declined to help or even acknowledge her......where is Andy in the video showing that?

2. Backing down on the dna.?....what backing down? They only said they dontbwant new dna evidence to be potentially tainted by rtp. They dont trust them.

If u are to be judged by only police evidence would u trust it or want your lawyer to ensure they never got their hands on it.

But more to your point, answer this...

Why would you think police dna results and interpretaion is more reliable than defence results and interpretation?

These are rhetorical questions as I do not wish to feed trolls.

The article says a local tv station, which I presume is samui cable tv

The above video is the same day uploaded by someone to youtube, you need to contact Samui Cable or the author to find out who has it.

[loonodingle]

http://www.samuitimes.com/koh-tao-murder-trial-reconvenes-in-koh-samui/

Quote from above paper

The forlorn mother of Zaw Lin arrived alone at the court house to support her son supported by two friends, one of whom led her up the steps to the court when Human Rights Activist Andy Hall declined to help or even acknowledge her, an incident caught on a local TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OYI_dzhauI

This plus backing down on the DNA something tells me its not going that great for the defense,

HEY TONY!!!!!!!!!!

What am I missing here??????

I see a video cut into several pieces.

1 piece shows the mother holding someones hand as she walks up some stairs.... Correct???

1 Piece cuts to the mother standing at the top of the stairs... Correct???

I FAIL to see her walk past Andy Hall and be ignored. What do you want the man to do ???? run up and kiss her. Its a court setting .<deleted>.Sake

As for Backing down on the DNA........ The defence got what they wanted. The DNA from the B2 taken in front of the judge and whisked off to Bangkok Tuesday night. Those results are what they needed and now they have them.

They don't need anything else.

A reasonable person with half a brain would read this as well they must now prove that the B2's profile doesn't match the file profiles submitted by the prosecution.

Working the way you do and see the mother left to walk upstairs alone and be ignored by Andy Hall all from this clip I suggest even you could come to the same conclusion as I did when the defence announced Friday afternoon. Its ok now we do NOT need any further DNA we have the DNA from the B2 and we have enough to disprove the case.

Job done and in the Bag.

[loonodingle]

http://www.samuitimes.com/koh-tao-murder-trial-reconvenes-in-koh-samui/

Quote from above paper

The forlorn mother of Zaw Lin arrived alone at the court house to support her son supported by two friends, one of whom led her up the steps to the court when Human Rights Activist Andy Hall declined to help or even acknowledge her, an incident caught on a local TV

This plus backing down on the DNA something tells me its not going that great for the defense,

Umm ok lets look at the video you posted and what you posted.

1. Andy Hall declined to help or even acknowledge her......where is Andy in the video showing that?

2. Backing down on the dna.?....what backing down? They only said they dontbwant new dna evidence to be potentially tainted by rtp. They dont trust them.

If u are to be judged by only police evidence would u trust it or want your lawyer to ensure they never got their hands on it.

But more to your point, answer this...

Why would you think police dna results and interpretaion is more reliable than defence results and interpretation?

These are rhetorical questions as I do not wish to feed trolls.

Linky read the actual statement by Khun Nakhon.

But Mr Chomphuchat said: “We think the case we have built is strong enough on its own.”

Fresh DNA samples were taken from the two defendants in the court on Tuesday of this week. The test results on those samples is being returned directly to the defence team.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/defence_team_reverse_demands_to_retest_dna_found_on_body_of_hannah_witheridge_1_4204183

The DNA retests they don't need is from the clothes hoe etc.

.