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Mother sobs over backpacker murder re-enactment

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Linky read the actual statement by Khun Nakhon.

But Mr Chomphuchat said: “We think the case we have built is strong enough on its own.”

Fresh DNA samples were taken from the two defendants in the court on Tuesday of this week. The test results on those samples is being returned directly to the defence team.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/defence_team_reverse_demands_to_retest_dna_found_on_body_of_hannah_witheridge_1_4204183

The DNA retests they don't need is from the clothes hoe etc.

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From the article:

"Defence lawyers had won the battle for the retesting of the DNA. The court had ruled that Thailand’s Central Institute of Forensic Science (CIFS) should double check the Thai police’s findings."

The CIFS is independent of the police, directed (and co-founded) by Porntip Rojanasunan; after 11 months of demanding independent DNA testing and having Porntip do it they say they don't trust it or her.

This about face , IMO, indicates the defense doesn't want to touch the actual DNA evidence with a ten foot pole.

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Listen to the audio on this video. I'm sorry but I don't know how to embed video in a forum post. Perhaps somebody with more technical expertise than me can do it. It is much more relevant the video Tony121 posted.

Mother sobs over backpacker murder re-enactment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP4vsPaIObY

The mother sobbed ? Was she with 2 supporters and sobbing alone ?

Who is releasing this poo ?

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Linky read the actual statement by Khun Nakhon.

But Mr Chomphuchat said: “We think the case we have built is strong enough on its own.”

Fresh DNA samples were taken from the two defendants in the court on Tuesday of this week. The test results on those samples is being returned directly to the defence team.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/defence_team_reverse_demands_to_retest_dna_found_on_body_of_hannah_witheridge_1_4204183

The DNA retests they don't need is from the clothes hoe etc.

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From the article:

"Defence lawyers had won the battle for the retesting of the DNA. The court had ruled that Thailand’s Central Institute of Forensic Science (CIFS) should double check the Thai police’s findings."

The CIFS is independent of the police, directed (and co-founded) by Porntip Rojanasunan; after 11 months of demanding independent DNA testing and having Porntip do it they say they don't trust it or her.

This about face , IMO, indicates the defense doesn't want to touch the actual DNA evidence with a ten foot pole.

Actually it doesn't say that does it. Why dont you EVER write things how they have been spoken. A twist here and a twist there.

Firstly with regard to Pornthip theres no mention of her personally.

Secondly the lawyer stated:

"Nakhon Chomphuchat intimated that control of the re-testing procedure was the issue, as the results would not be directly returned to the defence, but to the police and then the court."

“This is a very sensitive issue,” said Mr Chomphuchat.

“The lawyers cannot speak of it. There is also a lot of debate in the lawyers’ team on this issue. But if they retest it we have no control over that testing process.”

Thirdly with regard to the DNA from the B2 they have control and this is what they said:

Fresh DNA samples were taken from the two defendants in the court on Tuesday of this week. The test results on those samples is being returned directly to the defence team.

“We need to give this information to our experts so they can use it to do their own analysis,” said Mr Chomphuchat. The lawyer did not elaborate on what analysis might be carried out on those samples, or what they might be tested against.

So its very clear that they do not want to be fourth hand with the results. They don't need the results its now irrelevant to the case because

Fifthly:

But Mr Chomphuchat said: “We think the case we have built is strong enough on its own.”

So He doesn't need them.... its irrelevant... They have everything they need to prove their case. His words not mine.

I am sat on the fence watching the show with an open mind. At the moment it seems to heavily in favour of the defence case. The prosecution have put together a jumble of people who cant read or write or speak the language.

You want to hope you never end up in a Thai jail cell AleG as you could possibly end up on trumped up charges..

P.S. What they cant control is if fluids have been introduced to the items in the last 11 months. Better to stick with the current results. As they don't match IMHO

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Listen to the audio on this video. I'm sorry but I don't know how to embed video in a forum post. Perhaps somebody with more technical expertise than me can do it. It is much more relevant the video Tony121 posted.

Mother sobs over backpacker murder re-enactment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP4vsPaIObY

The mother sobbed ? Was she with 2 supporters and sobbing alone ?

Who is releasing this poo ?

@berybert - For G*d's sake, this video is from different court session than the one Tony121 posted and it refers to the mother of Wei Phyo who was sobbing at the so-called "confession" video by Wei Phyo which was played in court.

It was the mother of Zaw Lin who is shown walking up the steps of the courthouse assisted by a friend in the video posted by Tony121, where there is nothing actually shown of Andy Hall allegedly snubbing her - contrary to what Tony121 wanted us to believe - which is why I said my video is more relevant.

The video I posted is 100 percent accurate regarding the court testimony, which is spoken in the audio.

Perhaps somebody should send this video to the Daily Mail journalist who wrote that disgusting article about the "confessions" yesterday. There was no excuse for it after other media reports managed to get their facts right, and which can be heard in the video.

It's far from being "poo" as you claim.

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James Dunn's Twitter name is @ETVJamesDunn where it also lists on his Twitter home page his email address at mailonline.co.uk.

'Twas he who is the Daily Mail journalist who is credited with the article referenced above 21 AUG 2015

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James Dunn's Twitter name is @ETVJamesDunn where it also lists on his Twitter home page his email address at mailonline.co.uk.

'Twas he who is the Daily Mail journalist who is credited with the article referenced above 21 AUG 2015

I believe some people have complained to the Daily Mail already and pointed out the inaccuracies and misinformation, not that they have taken any notice of them. The article is still on the MailOnline website, unamended.

Two men accused of British backpacker murders claim they thought that student Hannah Witheridge was being raped on a Thai beach and they went to help

The Burmese men accused of killing David Miller and Hannah Witheridge have now claimed they were going to the aid of the female student after hearing her crying on the beach in Kah Tao. They told a court in Koh Samui that they heard her repeatedly saying 'I'm sorry, I'm sorry,' and found David Miller laying on top of her.

This article implies that the two accused gave evidence and/or actually "confessed" in the courtroom (they did not) and that David was "raping" Hannah. G*d knows what the victims' families must think of this.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3205844/Twist-British-backpacker-murder-trial-Two-accused-men-claim-thought-student-Hannah-Witheridge-raped-went-help-beach-Thailand.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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Listen to the audio on this video. I'm sorry but I don't know how to embed video in a forum post. Perhaps somebody with more technical expertise than me can do it. It is much more relevant the video Tony121 posted.

Mother sobs over backpacker murder re-enactment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP4vsPaIObY

The mother sobbed ? Was she with 2 supporters and sobbing alone ?

Who is releasing this poo ?

@berybert - For G*d's sake, this video is from different court session than the one Tony121 posted and it refers to the mother of Wei Phyo who was sobbing at the so-called "confession" video by Wei Phyo which was played in court.

It was the mother of Zaw Lin who is shown walking up the steps of the courthouse assisted by a friend in the video posted by Tony121, where there is nothing actually shown of Andy Hall allegedly snubbing her - contrary to what Tony121 wanted us to believe - which is why I said my video is more relevant.

The video I posted is 100 percent accurate regarding the court testimony, which is spoken in the audio.

Perhaps somebody should send this video to the Daily Mail journalist who wrote that disgusting article about the "confessions" yesterday. There was no excuse for it after other media reports managed to get their facts right, and which can be heard in the video.

It's far from being "poo" as you claim.

Hannah Witheridge trial - defendant admitted murder, court told

http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/13618987.Prosecution__man_admitted_killing_Hannah/

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There are 6 comments now to that article and none relate to the accuracy of the article. Comments are still open but as noted are subject to Moderation prior to publishing.

Well, good luck in getting a comment published on the MailOnline website when the comments are moderated (sometimes they aren't). If they don't like the content, especially if it criticises their journalistic abilities, they won't publish it.

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It's a strange one from the defence, there is still confusion regarding the DNA they took from the b2 and whether they have those results and will play it as the trump card.

Rtp have looked very weak at best and corrupt at worst so far, it all rests on the DNA. If the defence do not contest it at all it will be very telling and another twist. Up in the air at the moment but I can understand the defence keeping everything close to their chests.

Watching on eagerly : )

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Something that has bugged me from day one is when looking at where the bodies where found , it appears there is accommodation very close by, now without being grotesque, I would imagine there was a lot of noise and commotion when these barbaric murders took place.. Surely people in said accomodation would have seen / heard something ( apart from the previously mentioned French 2 ) strange how it doesn't appear forthcoming as of yet.

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I'm open minded and feel sure the rtp are corrupt to the core and I loan towards the b2 being not guilty.

I would like to know more about what they claim regarding the possessions the prosecution said the b2 stole.

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Posts containing aberrant comments on moderation have been removed. Inflammatory posts have been removed.

Outside of this forum, nobody really cares what you are saying. You aren't changing anybody's minds, or affecting the situation in any way so it's not worth getting all wound up about. Things will go on pretty much the same, regardless of what you type here, so it's hardly worth getting suspended over.
If you can't discuss these issues without losing your cool, please don't post in these topics.
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Listen to the audio on this video. I'm sorry but I don't know how to embed video in a forum post. Perhaps somebody with more technical expertise than me can do it. It is much more relevant the video Tony121 posted.

Mother sobs over backpacker murder re-enactment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP4vsPaIObY

The mother sobbed ? Was she with 2 supporters and sobbing alone ?

Who is releasing this poo ?

@berybert - For G*d's sake, this video is from different court session than the one Tony121 posted and it refers to the mother of Wei Phyo who was sobbing at the so-called "confession" video by Wei Phyo which was played in court.

It was the mother of Zaw Lin who is shown walking up the steps of the courthouse assisted by a friend in the video posted by Tony121, where there is nothing actually shown of Andy Hall allegedly snubbing her - contrary to what Tony121 wanted us to believe - which is why I said my video is more relevant.

The video I posted is 100 percent accurate regarding the court testimony, which is spoken in the audio.

Perhaps somebody should send this video to the Daily Mail journalist who wrote that disgusting article about the "confessions" yesterday. There was no excuse for it after other media reports managed to get their facts right, and which can be heard in the video.

It's far from being "poo" as you claim.

Hannah Witheridge trial - defendant admitted murder, court told

http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/13618987.Prosecution__man_admitted_killing_Hannah/

The Gazette article is not inaccurate in the same way the Mail article is. The Gazette article concerns the testimony of the Thai solicitor Pittaya Yaipetch who said he "witnessed" the confessions.

From Heart.co.uk:

Sarah McBride has been in court for Heart and gave this update.

She said: "Court testimony by Thai police and officials throughout this past week has confirmed they had no legal representation throughout the initial questioning; only two impartial legal observers who sat in on interviews after they had already confessed.

http://www.heart.co.uk/essex/news/local/hannah-witheridge-murder-confessions-to-be-shown/#RsLSftijSBBlp6iy.99

It has been established by the Defence team and mentioned in numerous other press reports that the two impartial legal observers, one of which was Pittaya Yaipetch, "witnessed" the confessions via the roti sellers/translators, after the suspects had allegedly confessed under duress in the so-called safe house without legal representation.

The Mail article concerns the video of Wai Phyo showing how he committed the crime which was played in court, which caused his mother to break down. The Mail implies that Wai Phyo himself confessed on the witness stand when he did not.

The accurate reporting is here:

http://news.sky.com/story/1539622/mother-sobs-over-backpacker-murder-re-enactment

The mother of one of the men accused of murdering two British tourists in Thailand broke down in court as a video was played of her son allegedly re-enacting the attack.

The court saw a video of Phyo allegedly showing how he had attacked Mr Miller with a garden hoe, hit Ms Witheridge with the same implement and then raped her, before his co-accused allegedly raped and killed her.

However, the information the suspect gave in the video contradicted testimony given by two translators, who were present at other interviews where the pair also allegedly confessed.

The only thing that Wai Phyo did in court was to point out two people in the video who had tortured him to confess.

This account agrees with the video that I posted.

There are more inaccuracies in the Mail article but I won't go into them here.

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I'm open minded and feel sure the rtp are corrupt to the core and I loan towards the b2 being not guilty.

I would like to know more about what they claim regarding the possessions the prosecution said the b2 stole.

I expect we'll hear about this in the next court sessions.

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Well I for 1 am pleased Andy Hall hasn't taken the mother out for a meal and asked the press along to take pictures of it.

The guy has a job to do and is doing it well. Tho having said that the RTP is doing his job far better than he could.

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Listen to the audio on this video. I'm sorry but I don't know how to embed video in a forum post. Perhaps somebody with more technical expertise than me can do it. It is much more relevant the video Tony121 posted.

Mother sobs over backpacker murder re-enactment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP4vsPaIObY

The mother sobbed ? Was she with 2 supporters and sobbing alone ?

Who is releasing this poo ?

@berybert - For G*d's sake, this video is from different court session than the one Tony121 posted and it refers to the mother of Wei Phyo who was sobbing at the so-called "confession" video by Wei Phyo which was played in court.

It was the mother of Zaw Lin who is shown walking up the steps of the courthouse assisted by a friend in the video posted by Tony121, where there is nothing actually shown of Andy Hall allegedly snubbing her - contrary to what Tony121 wanted us to believe - which is why I said my video is more relevant.

The video I posted is 100 percent accurate regarding the court testimony, which is spoken in the audio.

Perhaps somebody should send this video to the Daily Mail journalist who wrote that disgusting article about the "confessions" yesterday. There was no excuse for it after other media reports managed to get their facts right, and which can be heard in the video.

It's far from being "poo" as you claim.

Very much poo. Who says she was sobbing ? I don't believe anything the Thai press report. I will stick with reports Andy the ignorer releases.
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Bty when you are walking up a set of stairs with someone else, you are not alone.

Bery

Sometimes your a star... Not often but today you have excelled.. wai2.gif

Loon I may not be very eloquent but I am more than able to smell bullshit when it is on a plate in front of me.

Hence the fact I am 100% the Burmese had nowt to do with this crime.

And find it hard to believe so called civilised people from 1st world countries would be happy to see them swing.

As well as those that committed this crime those that support them should also be moved on to the next life as soon as possible.

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Listen to the audio on this video. I'm sorry but I don't know how to embed video in a forum post. Perhaps somebody with more technical expertise than me can do it. It is much more relevant the video Tony121 posted.

Mother sobs over backpacker murder re-enactment

The mother sobbed ? Was she with 2 supporters and sobbing alone ?

Who is releasing this poo ?

@berybert - For G*d's sake, this video is from different court session than the one Tony121 posted and it refers to the mother of Wei Phyo who was sobbing at the so-called "confession" video by Wei Phyo which was played in court.

It was the mother of Zaw Lin who is shown walking up the steps of the courthouse assisted by a friend in the video posted by Tony121, where there is nothing actually shown of Andy Hall allegedly snubbing her - contrary to what Tony121 wanted us to believe - which is why I said my video is more relevant.

The video I posted is 100 percent accurate regarding the court testimony, which is spoken in the audio.

Perhaps somebody should send this video to the Daily Mail journalist who wrote that disgusting article about the "confessions" yesterday. There was no excuse for it after other media reports managed to get their facts right, and which can be heard in the video.

It's far from being "poo" as you claim.

Very much poo. Who says she was sobbing ? I don't believe anything the Thai press report. I will stick with reports Andy the ignorer releases.

There is a photograph of Wai Phyo's mother sobbing (it is pitiful to see) on the CSI MM facebook page. Yes, I believe she was sobbing just as the father and brother of Hannah Witheridge were sobbing when they were shown photographs of Hannah's mutilated body in court.

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Sample Twitter message to Daily Mail UK:

xMailOnline What xETVJamesDunn reported is not what the the defendants said in Samui Court but what a jailhouse snitch said they said to him

140 characters just replace the x's wth @'s

I don't use twitter but maybe someone else on here who does could send them a message like that. Good idea, Crab thumbsup.gif .

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Listen to the audio on this video. I'm sorry but I don't know how to embed video in a forum post. Perhaps somebody with more technical expertise than me can do it. It is much more relevant the video Tony121 posted.

Mother sobs over backpacker murder re-enactment

The mother sobbed ? Was she with 2 supporters and sobbing alone ?

Who is releasing this poo ?

@berybert - For G*d's sake, this video is from different court session than the one Tony121 posted and it refers to the mother of Wei Phyo who was sobbing at the so-called "confession" video by Wei Phyo which was played in court.

It was the mother of Zaw Lin who is shown walking up the steps of the courthouse assisted by a friend in the video posted by Tony121, where there is nothing actually shown of Andy Hall allegedly snubbing her - contrary to what Tony121 wanted us to believe - which is why I said my video is more relevant.

The video I posted is 100 percent accurate regarding the court testimony, which is spoken in the audio.

Perhaps somebody should send this video to the Daily Mail journalist who wrote that disgusting article about the "confessions" yesterday. There was no excuse for it after other media reports managed to get their facts right, and which can be heard in the video.

It's far from being "poo" as you claim.

Very much poo. Who says she was sobbing ? I don't believe anything the Thai press report. I will stick with reports Andy the ignorer releases.

There is a photograph of Wai Phyo's mother sobbing (it is pitiful to see) on the CSI MM facebook page. Yes, I believe she was sobbing just as the father and brother of Hannah Witheridge were sobbing when they were shown photographs of Hannah's mutilated body in court.

CSI has lost a bit of my respect. Seems to have lost interest in this case after the bombing.

But how is it that no notes can be taken in court. No recordings can be taken in court. But people are allowed to take pictures of the accused parents ?

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This new thread slipped under my radar. I can't bring myself to read all 17 pages, but if anyone is feeling in a sharing mood, would they be able to pinpoint any new tidbits that I wasn't aware of 2 or 3 weeks ago?

I have seen that the defence team has stated it no longer requires the DNA testing.

Regards.

You haven't missed much. The prosecution introduced two characters we haven't heard about in the past 11 months:

One is a Thai lawyer who was purportedly at the interrogation (alleged torture) session at the 'safe house.' The lawyer said he heard one of the Burmese admit to the murder, and then the lawyer went on to paint a ridiculous narrative of what transpired at the crime scene. It's doubtful he was even at the 'safe house'. He sounds as tho he was given a script to memorize by RTP, and like a poor actor, read it in court.

When the defense team heard from the lawyer, they were aghast that he didn't identify himself at the time, and at least notify the B2 of their basic legal right to request a lawyer. When confronted, he mumbled some feeble excuse, and was then excused by the court.

Note: right after the 'safe house' session, RTP were asked whether the Burmese scapegoats had a lawyer present. RTP spokesman responded: "They didn't have a lawyer because they didn't request one." The impression, to the general public was: there was no lawyer on the scene. Now we hear from RTP that there was a lawyer there, but he didn't lift a finger to do what he's supposedly trained to do. Good thing he's not a surgeon. He'd show up at a surgery. He'd see the janitor starting to cut the patient open with a dirty putty knife - but the surgeon would just stand in the shadows, saying nothing.

Oh, and the roti vendor who was picked off the sidewalk by RTP to be interpreter (Burmese to Thai): it was found he doesn't speak the suspect's dialect (we already knew that) and that he doesn't speak Thai beyond a rudimentary level. He also can't read or write Thai, yet he signed an official document in Thai, and had the scapegoats sign documents written in Thai. There was supposedly another similarly-inept 'translator' who was supposedly there at the 'safe house' - though he could be another after-the-fact 'plant' by RTP - similar to the lawyer who may not have been there as he claimed.

Note: of the hundreds of Burmese on KT, surely there is at least one who speaks Thai. Here are some reasons why RTP didn't take a bit of time to find a Burmese who could do a decent job at translating:

>>> RTP themselves didn't have any cops who can speak Burmese nearby.

>>> RTP were in a hurry to get confessions

>>> Most, if not all, Burmese didn't want to be a party to the torture scenario - particularly of their brethren.

>>> RTP didn't want to devote an hour to finding some qualified. Same mentality which can't find a photo-copy machine, or doesn't know how to save digital pics on a computer or thumb drive.

Sorry RTP. For an organization that wants to appear professional and avoid losing face, you're doing all the wrong things. Isn't there one police man/woman who can stand up and say ENOUGH! Let's do what's right! Let's do a professional investigation to find who really committed that heinous crime last year!

Not only is the pancake seller illiterate in Thai and unable to speak Rakhine (the dialect of his and the 2B's home state) he can only speak basic Thai with a heavy Bengali accent and is illiterate in Burmese, of which language he presumably also has only a basic spoken knowledge. Did the police present his qualifications to the court as well as his work permit as a self employed roti seller and translator and passport (nationality)? Or has he got one of those special ID cards in the name of a deceased Thai?

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berybert wrote:Very much poo. Who says she was sobbing ? I don't believe anything the Thai press report. I will stick with reports Andy the ignorer releases.



IslandLover wrote: There is a photograph of Wai Phyo's mother sobbing (it is pitiful to see) on the CSI MM facebook page. Yes, I believe she was sobbing just as the father and brother of Hannah Witheridge were sobbing when they were shown photographs of Hannah's mutilated body in court.

berybert wrote: CSI has lost a bit of my respect. Seems to have lost interest in this case after the bombing.
But how is it that no notes can be taken in court. No recordings can be taken in court. But people are allowed to take pictures of the accused parents ?

@berybert - It is not CSI LA, they have nothing to do with this. CSI MM (Myanmar) is a completely separate group. It is CSI MM who raised the funds and arranged for the mothers of Wai Phyo and Zaw Lin to attend the trial and stay on Koh Samui until the trial concludes. They have also raised a considerable amount of money from the Burmese people to go towards the defence costs. For this they are to be applauded, not condemned. The photograph of Wai Phyo's mother was taken outside the courthouse. She appeared to be crying and I presumed it was after she had seen the video in court. I can't be sure as I don't read Burmese and the online translation is abysmal.

Note to moderators - I apologise for the formatting in this post. It is beyond my control. The original formatting was completely messed up.

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From the article:

"Defence lawyers had won the battle for the retesting of the DNA. The court had ruled that Thailand’s Central Institute of Forensic Science (CIFS) should double check the Thai police’s findings."

The CIFS is independent of the police, directed (and co-founded) by Porntip Rojanasunan; after 11 months of demanding independent DNA testing and having Porntip do it they say they don't trust it or her.

This about face , IMO, indicates the defense doesn't want to touch the actual DNA evidence with a ten foot pole.

AleG, the defense doesn't trust DNA findings which are handled by RTP - not even if RTP are walking some papers from a car to the courtroom. RTP have proven numerous times they're untrustworthy and have a massive agenda in this case. If you have a house cleaner who comes to clean your house once a week, and every time that person leaves, you find something valuable is missing, you can assume that person is stealing. Would you continue to hire that person?

I don't quite understand why samples for DNA testing were taken (by defense team) from the B2 in court, unless it was just to make a demonstration for all to see. The defense are with the B2 nearly every day. They can get samples easily. The most important DNA is that which was taken from Hannah. Unfortunately for the defense, those samples/typing are in the care of the RTP. That's the key to why the DNA trail looks so tattered and skewed. That leaves us with DNA taken by British forensics when the bodies were returned to their homeland. By anyone's view, DNA typing done in Britain will be more reliable than typing done in Thailand.

I'm open minded and feel sure the rtp are corrupt to the core and I loan towards the b2 being not guilty.

I would like to know more about what they claim regarding the possessions the prosecution said the b2 stole.

I expect we'll hear about this in the next court sessions.

Or maybe not. There are reams of pertinent things which haven't been mentioned in the prosecution's presentations nor by their witnesses. Prosecution claimed they had 60+ witnesses, yet they're nearly done with their phase and how many witnesses have been presented thus far? Zero, if you take the definition of 'witness' literally. If you use the definition loosely, and count everyone who has taken the stand in court, then there have been about 9 thus far. That leaves over 50 people yet to testify for the prosecution with only two days left. Will it be like speed-dating? I could make a list of things the prosecution neglected to mention, but it would tire my fingers from typing so much.

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