webfact Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 PM invokes Section 44 to resolve aviation safety problemBANGKOK: -- The abrupt decision came ahead of another review of Thailand’s aviation safety oversight by the International Civil Aviation Organisation. Failure to pass the review, especially regarding the significant safety concern (SSC) issues will render a devastating blow to Thai aviation industry.Under the NCPO’s order issued by virtue of Section 44, an ad hoc centre officially called the Command Centre for Resolving Civil Aviation Issues (CRCA) will be set up. The centre is answerable directly the NCPO head and to be headed by the air force commander-in-chief.Both the air force and the Civil Aviation Department will work together under the supervision of the CRCA to resolve aviation safety issues.The commander of the centre is empowered to appoint air force officers to work or to assist work in the Civil Aviation Department or other related agencies for up to four years while they still keep their posts at the air force.The command centre is also empowered to hire consultants for help.Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/pm-invokes-section-44-to-resolve-aviation-safety-problem -- Thai PBS 2015-09-11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Do Thai Air Force officers have any particular expertise about the obligations of commercial/civil aviation and its international safety regulations? And are they the same folks who can't seem to keep their helicopters and jets airborne without pretty regular mishaps, despite operating in a pretty low-stress environment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaywalker Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I'm not biased red nor yellow, but it looks like Papa Prayut might be right on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 Prayut sets up command center for solving aviation issuesThe NationBANGKOK: -- Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha has set up the Command Center for Resolving Civil Aviation Issues (CRCA) to speed up efforts for upgrading Thailand's aviation safety standard to meet requirements of the International Civil Aviation Organisation.Prayut invoked Article 44 of the interim charter as the chief of the National Council for Peace and Order to set up the CRCA.He assigned the Air Force commander-in-chief to head the CRCA.The order to set up the CRCA was published in the Royal Gazette Friday.Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Prayut-sets-up-command-center-for-solving-aviation-30268581.html-- The Nation 2015-09-11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canopus1969 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 What a bloody shambles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojorison Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I'm not biased red nor yellow, but it looks like Papa Prayut might be right on this one. Yes, but giving an order, and actually doing something are two very different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) Exactly... kind of reminds me of the center approach the government took for attempting to deal with the floods, or the other center they did for dealing with the red shirt protests. And we all know just how well their centers approach did in dealing with those kinds of challenges. It's a typical bureaucratic approach to dealing with a problem, forming a bureaucratic entity charged with fixing it. But it usually ends up being a lot of the same people who caused it to be an unresolved problem in the first place, and/or, it ends up taking them so long to get their new organization act together that things will continue on a downward spiral in the meantime. In the end, they need people who actually know what they're doing, and also have the power to get the necessary things done. It would seem, the current folks have the power and authority, but whether they have the knowledge and expertise, is a different issue. Edited September 11, 2015 by TallGuyJohninBKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Dye Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Too little too late. Standard TIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdoglover Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 To a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. My confidence would be boosted if it were announced that an international team was being mobilized to manage the air safety oversight situation, perhaps under a 2 year contract. It would be money well spent to avoid a down-rating. Unfortunately for the Thai officials, this would be an admission of the obvious. So bring in the Air Force...because they have planes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somtamnication Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 That section 44 is sooooo kool!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Wetherall Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) Do Thai Air Force officers have any particular expertise about the obligations of commercial/civil aviation and its international safety regulations? And are they the same folks who can't seem to keep their helicopters and jets airborne without pretty regular mishaps, despite operating in a pretty low-stress environment? "Do Thai Air Force officers have any particular expertise about the obligations of commercial/civil aviation and its international safety regulations?" No "And are they the same folks who can't seem to keep their helicopters and jets airborne without pretty regular mishaps, despite operating in a pretty low-stress environment?" Yes. They call it "Thai Lawn Darts". They don't need to look after equipment, the Thai people will buy new when needed. So they don't bother to maintain and then they crash them into the ground. Then they often crash the aircraft they send out to look for the crashed aircraft. It's a real bugger's muddle in the Thai Armed Forces. Hard not to laugh really... But hardly the people to look after aviation safety I wouldn't have thought. Or the economy... Edited September 11, 2015 by Jon Wetherall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Wetherall Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Too little too late. Standard TIT Yep, A day late and a dollar short. Same as always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Wetherall Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) I'm not biased red nor yellow, but it looks like Papa Prayut might be right on this one. Yes, but giving an order, and actually doing something are two very different things. They''ll prostrate themselves and beg for an extension. Again. Then if they get it, they'll go home and brag they're smarter than the stoopid falangs. Again. Standard Thai operating Procedure - Advanced Topics in Strategy - Section 13: Winning Against Stupid Foreigners.. Edited September 11, 2015 by Jon Wetherall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamnutsak Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 The centre is answerable directly the NCPO head Isn't Generalissimo Prayut head of the NCPO? Why does he need to use Article 44 to create yet another "Command Center"? Honestly, they've been d*cking around with these aviation issues since April/June with little progress apparently. Now EASA is due in town on Monday (14 Sep) and they figgin' organize a committee on the Friday before. The FAA (U.S.) gave them 65 days to address some significant concerns, back in July, so that deadline is fast approaching. Hard to believe they can run an Army, let alone a country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davehowden Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 They couldn't run a piss up in a brewery! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 The centre is answerable directly the NCPO head Isn't Generalissimo Prayut head of the NCPO? Why does he need to use Article 44 to create yet another "Command Center"? Honestly, they've been d*cking around with these aviation issues since April/June with little progress apparently. Now EASA is due in town on Monday (14 Sep) and they figgin' organize a committee on the Friday before. The FAA (U.S.) gave them 65 days to address some significant concerns, back in July, so that deadline is fast approaching. Hard to believe they can run an Army, let alone a country. "Hard to believe they can run an Army, let alone a country." Well I don't believe they can do either, as we sit back and watch them fail miserably on all issues. Have they achieved anything in time they have been in power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainman34014 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Thailand...The biggest users of ''Last minute.com'' ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSJ Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I was sure I read here on this forum that some Australian air safety people had been retained to help sort out the issues. What happened to them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeVee1st Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) "The end is nigh"!!! Nothing was done, nothing will be done and nothing will save them. As usual the rest of the world is out of step with Thailand. Problems of this magnitude cannot be fixed overnight, as usual they wait till it is too late to appoint another committee. Thailand will be blacked soon. Edited September 11, 2015 by PeVee1st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falangjim Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Just like he's fixed the problem of slaves paid workers on fishing boats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaiChai Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Hire in some expat experts? It will cost but if you get the right experts I am sure it can be sorted out quickly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrowsdawdle Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 I'm not biased red nor yellow, but it looks like Papa Prayut might be right on this one. Really? What other committees have effected any positive progress in LOS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrowsdawdle Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Hire in some expat experts? It will cost but if you get the right experts I am sure it can be sorted out quickly? Experts that have been hired by LOS know that the expertise delivered is rarely deployed because to do so is to admit inadequacy and lose face that they couldn't figure it out on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godden Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Is section 44 some kind of magic wand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Why all that negativity? It's nothing a good amulet can't solve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MobileContent Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 They should appoint some folks from Singapore that runs Changi Airport and the issues will be resolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prbkk Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 That section 44 is sooooo kool!! Aviation now sorted but will he now invoke Article 44 in response to the reduction in beer bottle size from 630ml to 620, as requested in a letter in today's BP ( nice letter, Nigel).? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh2121 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 I'm not biased red nor yellow, but it looks like Papa Prayut might be right on this one. So why did he wait so long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 The aviation industry is among the most tightly regulated in the world. The idea is to keep yourself off these watch lists. Once you get on them, as the Thai operator s have, it is a nightmare trying to get off them again. The inspectors will write up everything, no matter how trivial. I really think they need to have outside help. Former FAA inspectors could at least get them on the right track. Every airline should already have quality control and safet auditing people in place to consult wih. Forming another committee is only going to cause more delays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZurf Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 I'm not biased red nor yellow, but it looks like Papa Prayut might be right on this one. So why did he wait so long? Because he's been busy reforming the state lottery - duh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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