Ford Fiesta Ecoboost

[happylarry]

I am looking to buy a new Ford Fiesta Ecoboost 1.0 litre. But it seems that Ford have used up there quota fo Thailand and won't be producing any more this year, well I was wondering if there are any Ford garages out in the sticks somewhere that may have one of these sitting in their showroom waiting for a buyer.

If you know someone that works in a Ford main dealer would you be kind enough to ask them please and let me know if there is one anywhere.

Thanks in anticipation.

HL

[Will27]

Just ring the Ford Customer Service desk on 1-800-225-449 or 02-686-5899 and enquire about stock.

They have English speaking CSR's.

[IMHO]

Just ring the Ford Customer Service desk on 1-800-225-449 or 02-686-5899 and enquire about stock.

They have English speaking CSR's.

Right - Ford HO know what every dealer has in stock.

[Jitar]

The dealers certainly don't bother to find out what other dealers have in stock.

[JAS21]

The Lam Lukka dealer has 10 white 4-door ones ...I know that because I was there an hour ago discussing where is my EV!! ... I asked for you. If you are interested PM me for our dealers name/phone number, he is a good guy.... if there is such a sales person ... The 100,000thb discount promotion is still on so cost is 649,000thb.

Apparently there are no 5-door available. There is some QA problem with a part ... same same with the EV.

[tua2kee]

The Ecoboost's gearbox is the dry clutch 6 speeder?

[kkerry]

I hope the Ecoboost version performs a lot better than this 1.5L petrol auto I rented for a couple of weeks. That was one underpowered vehicle.

I saw the new model at a shopping center a few weeks ago and it looked much better.

[JAS21]

The Ecoboost's gearbox is the dry clutch 6 speeder?

That's good to know. Is that the auto or manual box or both?

[Jitar]

Believe the Fiesta manual is a conventional 5 speed.

The Ecoboost Auto is the dual clutch 6 speed PowerShift.

[JAS21]

kkerry, on 12 Nov 2015 - 12:43, said:kkerry, on 12 Nov 2015 - 12:43, said:

I hope the Ecoboost version performs a lot better than this 1.5L petrol auto I rented for a couple of weeks. That was one underpowered vehicle.

Ford 1.jpg

I saw the new model at a shopping center a few weeks ago and it looked much better.

We have an Fiesta Ecoboost and it goes like 'shit off a shovel', so to speak ........... if that is the correct terminology

[tua2kee]

I see. Thanks. That would be the dry clutch.

Believe the Fiesta manual is a conventional 5 speed.

The Ecoboost Auto is the dual clutch 6 speed PowerShift.

[IMHO]

I hope the Ecoboost version performs a lot better than this 1.5L petrol auto I rented for a couple of weeks. That was one underpowered vehicle.

Ford 1.jpg

I saw the new model at a shopping center a few weeks ago and it looked much better.

That's an Ecosport - not a Fiesta

[silverhawk_usa]

I too am looking for a 5 door Ecoboost. After three very frustrating and useless calls to Ford Customer Service where they couldn't find someone who spoke fluent English, and just giggled and passed the phone around, or hung up, I quit trying. Finally in answer to a few emails I was able to have a sit down meeting with the manager of American Motors Ford in Chiang Mai.

There are no 5 doors to be had unless you want the dealers demo car. You may be able to find a four door with a little luck. As for the future, he says they will not sell the Ecoboost version in Thailand 2016. It seems the Thai's aren't convinced that a 1 litre can be better than a 1.5 litre. In order to sell it they had to reduce the price on the Ecoboost to a point of too little margin to make it profitable. The other Fiesta's will be the same specs and sold with the 1.5 4 cylinder.

This guy appears to be credible, but if someone knows more, please post.

[IMHO]

It would seem silly for Ford to discontinue the Fiesta Ecoboost after all this time, and just before Honda starts educating the Thai market on downsized turbo engines - with the 2016 Civic.

[Henryford]

I recently bought a Ford Fiesta and would probably have gone for the Ecoboost 1.0 engine but it was 45,000 baht more than the 1.5. That seemed a crazy premium over a 1.5 4 cylinder engine. I am not surprised no thai wants to pay that, i didn't.

[Jitar]

No wonder the Chiang Mai dealer is having trouble selling EcoBoost Fiestas if Henry Ford himself wont buy one.

If you overlook the smaller displacement, 45,000 baht aint so bad for an engine that is a little more powerful, a lot more flexible and 10% more efficient.

[frankphuket]

I recently bought a Ford Fiesta and would probably have gone for the Ecoboost 1.0 engine but it was 45,000 baht more than the 1.5. That seemed a crazy premium over a 1.5 4 cylinder engine. I am not surprised no thai wants to pay that, i didn't.

Have you actually tested both cars back to back? If you would have, I would assume you would have seen why 45,000 Baht seem a good deal to spend on a more enjoyable car to drive....my only concern for the little 1.0 would be longevity in this climate.

[JaseTheBass]

I recently bought a Ford Fiesta and would probably have gone for the Ecoboost 1.0 engine but it was 45,000 baht more than the 1.5. That seemed a crazy premium over a 1.5 4 cylinder engine. I am not surprised no thai wants to pay that, i didn't.

It seems it's not only Thais who are ignorant about modern technology...

[VocalNeal]

No wonder the Chiang Mai dealer is having trouble selling EcoBoost Fiestas if Henry Ford himself wont buy one.

If you overlook the smaller displacement, 45,000 baht aint so bad for an engine that is a little more powerful, a lot more flexible and 10% more efficient.

Well you lost out on 13hp but more importantly 30Nm of torque from 1,400 - 4500 Rpm. I'm sure there are a few other bits thrown in.

[DavisH]

It would seem silly for Ford to discontinue the Fiesta Ecoboost after all this time, and just before Honda starts educating the Thai market on downsized turbo engines - with the 2016 Civic.

It makes no sense whatsoever, especially if the focus will come with a 1.5 ecoboost engine.

[silverhawk_usa]

I agree it doesn't make sense, but since when does that matter here? Besides the Ecoboost motor, the Fiesta also came with virtually all the available options as standard equipment so you were getting quite a bit for the little extra money. No sense at all. Of course they are trying to sell me one of the other models, but I'll pass. There's better out there.

[JaseTheBass]

I agree it doesn't make sense, but since when does that matter here? Besides the Ecoboost motor, the Fiesta also came with virtually all the available options as standard equipment so you were getting quite a bit for the little extra money. No sense at all. Of course they are trying to sell me one of the other models, but I'll pass. There's better out there.

Really? What is better out there?

And I mean as a car to use, not the moronic 'resale value' excuse people use for buying dross.

[IMHO]

I agree it doesn't make sense, but since when does that matter here? Besides the Ecoboost motor, the Fiesta also came with virtually all the available options as standard equipment so you were getting quite a bit for the little extra money. No sense at all. Of course they are trying to sell me one of the other models, but I'll pass. There's better out there.

Really? What is better out there?

And I mean as a car to use, not the moronic 'resale value' excuse people use for buying dross.

"Resale value' isn't a 'moronic' criteria when buying a new car at all - nor are fuel efficiency, insurance and servicing costs - they all add up to the overall cost of ownership. Some people's economic situation just makes these criteria more important than others - I would argue that for someone with more limited means, looking at the overall cost of ownership is the opposite: they're being clever.

Also, everyone rates the various criteria their own way - some will forego style over substance, substance over resale, price over safety, for example. Having lower expectations of a car doesn't necessarily mean they're not intelligent - just that they're more easily satisfied. Sometimes, I'm a little jealous of people like that

Then, some cars are class leaders and have good resale value too (e.g. City*, Jazz*, Accord) so it's just a win-win, and no matter how you came to the decision, you land on your feet.

It's only when you're making a serious compromise on product substance or value for money to buy based on crystal ball resale values that it becomes a little sad.

* in the absence of the ecoboost Fiesta

[Jitar]

I agree it doesn't make sense, but since when does that matter here? Besides the Ecoboost motor, the Fiesta also came with virtually all the available options as standard equipment so you were getting quite a bit for the little extra money. No sense at all. Of course they are trying to sell me one of the other models, but I'll pass. There's better out there.

Really? What is better out there?

And I mean as a car to use, not the moronic 'resale value' excuse people use for buying dross.

"Resale value' isn't a 'moronic' criteria when buying a new car at all - nor are fuel efficiency, insurance and servicing costs - they all add up to the overall cost of ownership. Some people's economic situation just makes these criteria more important than others - I would argue that for someone with more limited means, looking at the overall cost of ownership is the opposite: they're being clever.

Also, everyone rates the various criteria their own way - some will forego style over substance, substance over resale, price over safety, for example. Having lower expectations of a car doesn't necessarily mean they're not intelligent - just that they're more easily satisfied. Sometimes, I'm a little jealous of people like that

Then, some cars are class leaders and have good resale value too (e.g. City*, Jazz*, Accord) so it's just a win-win, and no matter how you came to the decision, you land on your feet.

It's only when you're making a serious compromise on product substance or value for money to buy based on crystal ball resale values that it becomes a little sad.

* in the absence of the ecoboost Fiesta

Very true, resale value is one consideration. Tricky bit is predicting what the resale is likely to be in future. In Thailand many just assume Honda and Toyota to have good resale value. In reality the difference to other comparable mid market Jap cars is usually minor. Resale is a bigger issue in the prestige market. Seems to be the less common Euro cars like Volvo, VW, Citroen that take a beating in LOS.

[IMHO]

I agree it doesn't make sense, but since when does that matter here? Besides the Ecoboost motor, the Fiesta also came with virtually all the available options as standard equipment so you were getting quite a bit for the little extra money. No sense at all. Of course they are trying to sell me one of the other models, but I'll pass. There's better out there.

Really? What is better out there?

And I mean as a car to use, not the moronic 'resale value' excuse people use for buying dross.

"Resale value' isn't a 'moronic' criteria when buying a new car at all - nor are fuel efficiency, insurance and servicing costs - they all add up to the overall cost of ownership. Some people's economic situation just makes these criteria more important than others - I would argue that for someone with more limited means, looking at the overall cost of ownership is the opposite: they're being clever.

Also, everyone rates the various criteria their own way - some will forego style over substance, substance over resale, price over safety, for example. Having lower expectations of a car doesn't necessarily mean they're not intelligent - just that they're more easily satisfied. Sometimes, I'm a little jealous of people like that

Then, some cars are class leaders and have good resale value too (e.g. City*, Jazz*, Accord) so it's just a win-win, and no matter how you came to the decision, you land on your feet.

It's only when you're making a serious compromise on product substance or value for money to buy based on crystal ball resale values that it becomes a little sad.

* in the absence of the ecoboost Fiesta

Very true, resale value is one consideration. Tricky bit is predicting what the resale is likely to be in future. In Thailand many just assume Honda and Toyota to have good resale value. In reality the difference to other comparable mid market Jap cars is usually minor. Resale is a bigger issue in the prestige market. Seems to be the less common Euro cars like Volvo, VW, Citroen that take a beating in LOS.

Right - from my perspective, a difference of 5-10% in resale value isn't worth making a compromise on product substance - and that's the range you'll find with most mainstream brands. If I was going to lose 60-80% of the car's value in say 3-5 years, that then becomes a very big metric though. That's why I've never bought a Volvo or BMW, why it was really hard for me to make the decision to by an Evoque, and why there's several cars that ought to be on my radar, but just aren't.

[silverhawk_usa]

I agree it doesn't make sense, but since when does that matter here? Besides the Ecoboost motor, the Fiesta also came with virtually all the available options as standard equipment so you were getting quite a bit for the little extra money. No sense at all. Of course they are trying to sell me one of the other models, but I'll pass. There's better out there.

Really? What is better out there?

And I mean as a car to use, not the moronic 'resale value' excuse people use for buying dross.

A caveat on the Ecoboost. I received three different answers on it's availability from dealers. Two clearly lied, as one was actually a sales person for American Motors Ford who told me wait one month. His manager said he was wrong. As I posted above, the manager I talked to seemed credible, but that doesn't positively mean he is correct. It seems such a stupid move by Ford, there may still be other answers out there. Don't kill the messenger if this info is wrong.

I think that the Fiesta is quite a good car and worth the price. However, in my particular circumstance, the car is a 'first car' for my wife. She would be satisfied with anything with four wheels. I wanted to try the Ecoboost myself, but in reality I will hardly drive her car as I have my own truck and motorcycles. For her, I can buy something less expensive and without all the bells and whistles. I am not going to be specific. I was born and raised in Detroit, Michigan, formerly 'the motorcity'. Most of my family worked in the auto industry. I don't need a bunch of opinions on what I should or shouldn't buy.

Edit. Perhaps that was a little harsh. I know how ThaiVisa can go. Debating on a personal choice, with people I don't know, and under anonymous names, isn't likely to change my mind. So I will leave it at that. No disrespect intended.

I agree with you about the 'resale value' excuse. In Detroit, I had friends that always worried about the resale value. I buy vehicles that I want at the time, just because I like them. I don't care about the next person that is going to buy it. Perhaps I lose some on the resale, but I don't care if I enjoy it while I have it.

[pistachios]

Looking at the latest sales numbers, it's safe to say that the resale value will be quite poor for the fiesta. It's very weird they sell so little as it seems to be a pretty good car, even MG are selling twice as much!

[Jitar]

Resale value is not proportional to sales volume. Sometimes can be the opposite.

[IMHO]

Resale value is not proportional to sales volume. Sometimes can be the opposite.

Yep, and the big problem is, no-one likes the looks of the Fiesta sedan - and that's the body shape that moves in numbers in this segment.

[kkerry]

Looking at the latest sales numbers, it's safe to say that the resale value will be quite poor for the fiesta. It's very weird they sell so little as it seems to be a pretty good car, even MG are selling twice as much!

I find it surprising the Mazda 2 outsells the Fiesta 9 to 1. Driving around, I've never thought Mazda 2 and Honda City shared a similar level of popularity, never seen that many and as a Fiesta owner I do take notice everytime I see another Fiesta or Mazda 2.