Jatuporn and Nattawut arrested

[docshock13]

The PM the other day spoke of not playing into the hands of those who want to incite unrest. Yet the junta has done just that by making these arrests! Something it warned others not to do.

Clearly, the two UDD fellows knew exactly what they were doing--timing of the visit etc. Cheeky buggers.

Best thing the junta could have done is let them have their day at the park and let it be done.

However, itchy and scratchy have succeeded in their mission in exposing the desperation and paranoia of the current regime.

Sadly, this tete-a-tete between the UDD and the junta is not bringing reconciliation. It is only stirring up the same old prejudices and distrust on both sides of the political divide. These two forces are in a race to the bottom and clearly the Thai people deserve better than either of them.

[Pimay1]

Our contribution to the investigation should benefit the government in that it can clear any doubt about the Rajabhakti Park project," he said.

The scorpion and the frog comes to mind.

[Chang_paarp]

I hope they do not develop a sudden illness, it seems to be catching in army detention.

[MZurf]

I hope they do not develop a sudden illness, it seems to be catching in army detention.

That is my worry. This regime seems to be growing more desperate by the day and if something like what happened to the LM guys were to happen to these two then bad things could happen.

[Pimay1]

Army explains the reason for detaining Jatuporn and Natthawut

There are reasons enough already without explaining new ones.

[MZurf]

It is dangerous indeed to underestimate the people, the previous Shins' 'government' did, with its 'we are the majority, we do what we want' lunacy, confident it could endlessly go on plundering the country, ...and then we saw millions of a-political Thais from the silent majority protesting on the streets, ...and it was soon 'the end' for those parasites' episode...

Where did you see these millions of apolitical Thais? In your dreams maybe?

The street-protests in Bangkok against the amnasty-bill just prior to then-PM Yingluck's decision, to resign & call an election, in early-December 2013 ?

Were there millions in the streets?? BTW, how did those elections go? Oh, I forgot, there weren't any.

[Artisi]

Just fascism in its infancy. More to come if and when elections are announced to eliminate any serious political opposition to the pro-autocracy led by Prayut, Suthep and Abhisit.

Back to the junta's 2010 game plays.

Infancy? Did you not hear about the live fire zones and sniper hit on Seh Daeng? The 98 deaths in the street? The assassinated journalists? The military juntas? The prohibition of elections? It is in full adulthood if you trust your eyes and ears.

We also remember who was agitating the rent-a-crowd to burn Bangkok. As a response to a coup that occurred some years before.

But but but, that's different and doesn't count in this instance.....

[klauskunkel]

Deputy Prime Minister Prawit explained that the matter should leave with General Udomdej to decide by himself.

“He is mature enough because he used to be the army commander-in-chief. There is no need to tell him what he should do because he is not a kid,” said General Prawit.

I was going to write something fairly cynical, but then I caught myself thinking about the future Lese Military Law and how it will be applied retroactively...

[Srikcir]

It is dangerous indeed to underestimate the people, the previous Shins' 'government' did, with its 'we are the majority, we do what we want' lunacy, confident it could endlessly go on plundering the country, ...and then we saw millions of a-political Thais from the silent majority protesting on the streets, ...and it was soon 'the end' for those parasites' episode...

Where did you see these millions of apolitical Thais? In your dreams maybe?

The street-protests in Bangkok against the amnasty-bill just prior to then-PM Yingluck's decision, to resign & call an election, in early-December 2013 ?

Were there millions in the streets?? BTW, how did those elections go? Oh, I forgot, there weren't any.

Due to delays caused by the EC and the Constitutional Court, elections were held on February 2, 2014. There were 20+ million voters.

Maybe you forgot?

[Acharn]

It is dangerous indeed to underestimate the people, the previous Shins' 'government' did, with its 'we are the majority, we do what we want' lunacy, confident it could endlessly go on plundering the country, ...and then we saw millions of a-political Thais from the silent majority protesting on the streets, ...and it was soon 'the end' for those parasites' episode...

Where did you see these millions of apolitical Thais? In your dreams maybe?

The street-protests in Bangkok against the amnasty-bill just prior to then-PM Yingluck's decision, to resign & call an election, in early-December 2013 ?

I do not think the word "apolitical" means what you seem to think it means. And "millions?" I think not.

Edited December 1, 2015 by Acharn

[scorecard]

The PM the other day spoke of not playing into the hands of those who want to incite unrest. Yet the junta has done just that by making these arrests! Something it warned others not to do.

Clearly, the two UDD fellows knew exactly what they were doing--timing of the visit etc. Cheeky buggers.

Best thing the junta could have done is let them have their day at the park and let it be done.

However, itchy and scratchy have succeeded in their mission in exposing the desperation and paranoia of the current regime.

Sadly, this tete-a-tete between the UDD and the junta is not bringing reconciliation. It is only stirring up the same old prejudices and distrust on both sides of the political divide. These two forces are in a race to the bottom and clearly the Thai people deserve better than either of them.

"The PM the other day spoke of not playing into the hands of those who want to incite unrest. Yet the junta has done just that by making these arrests! Something it warned others not to do.

Couldn't agree more with the general's comment. IMHO The paymaster and his paid minions are without any doubt just waiting to stir as hard as they can and with no morals, hoping they can all get back to the feeding frenzy / the feeding trough.

"Clearly, the two UDD fellows knew exactly what they were doing--timing of the visit etc. Cheeky buggers."

Best thing the junta could have done is let them have their day at the park and let it be done."

Refer to indented comment above.

All just your opinion, I suggest many other folks would have the opposite view.

I ask you (as I have asked many times before, with no answers whatever, not one word):

- What is the goal of 'reconciliation'?

- What's your definition of reconciliation?

- What do you think should be the process, the actions, or whatever for reconciliation.

- Should all politicians from the past be 'forgiven' for their crimes and immoral actions?

And of course we see a comment in the story from kornkaew, somebody who has a very scaly past and IMHO clearly has no morals of any sort, and he's another one of the paymaster leader minions out on bail on appeal after being convicted of serious crimes.

Final question:

In your opinion should natawut, jatuporn & kornkaew all be forgiven for everything? Is that what you mean by achieving reconciliation?

Edited December 1, 2015 by scorecard

[Rykbanlor]

The PM the other day spoke of not playing into the hands of those who want to incite unrest. Yet the junta has done just that by making these arrests! Something it warned others not to do.

Clearly, the two UDD fellows knew exactly what they were doing--timing of the visit etc. Cheeky buggers.

Best thing the junta could have done is let them have their day at the park and let it be done.

However, itchy and scratchy have succeeded in their mission in exposing the desperation and paranoia of the current regime.

Sadly, this tete-a-tete between the UDD and the junta is not bringing reconciliation. It is only stirring up the same old prejudices and distrust on both sides of the political divide. These two forces are in a race to the bottom and clearly the Thai people deserve better than either of them.

"The PM the other day spoke of not playing into the hands of those who want to incite unrest. Yet the junta has done just that by making these arrests! Something it warned others not to do.

Couldn't agree more with the general's comment. IMHO The paymaster and his paid minions are without any doubt just waiting to stir as hard as they can and with no morals, hoping they can all get back to the feeding frenzy / the feeding trough.

"Clearly, the two UDD fellows knew exactly what they were doing--timing of the visit etc. Cheeky buggers."

Best thing the junta could have done is let them have their day at the park and let it be done."

Refer to indented comment above.

All just your opinion, I suggest many other folks would have the opposite view.

I ask you (as I have asked many times before, with no answers whatever, not one word):

- What is the goal of 'reconciliation'?

- What's your definition of reconciliation?

- What do you think should be the process, the actions, or whatever for reconciliation.

- Should all politicians from the past be 'forgiven' for their crimes and immoral actions?

And of course we see a comment in the story from kornkaew, somebody who has a very scaly past and IMHO clearly has no morals of any sort, and he's another one of the paymaster leader minions out on bail on appeal after being convicted of serious crimes.

Final question:

In your opinion should natawut, jatuporn & kornkaew all be forgiven for everything? Is that what you mean by achieving reconciliation?

These guys are scumbags no doubt, but that does not excuse these kind of detentions. Nab them for something legit if they must! SO you also approve of all the other detentions, and mysterious death during detention of previously healthy lese majesters?

How can this kind of paranoid steamrollelring by the military help reconcile the nation?

[MZurf]

Where did you see these millions of apolitical Thais? In your dreams maybe?

The street-protests in Bangkok against the amnasty-bill just prior to then-PM Yingluck's decision, to resign & call an election, in early-December 2013 ?

Were there millions in the streets?? BTW, how did those elections go? Oh, I forgot, there weren't any.

Due to delays caused by the EC and the Constitutional Court, elections were held on February 2, 2014. There were 20+ million voters.

Maybe you forgot?

So a government was formed based on the election results?

[Baerboxer]

Army explains the reason for detaining Jatuporn and Natthawut

There are reasons enough already without explaining new ones.

Spoken like a true defender of human rights!

I guess as long as you are allowed to own a gun you don't care about the rest. Do you know that in Thailand it's illegal for private persons to own guns? The horror, right?

No it's not. Private persons can own guns providing they have the necessary license / permits.

However, not sure those black shirted mercenaries who Chalerm insists never existed had permits for their assault rifles and grenade launchers.

[trainman34014]

The junta has just played into the hands of the UDD. They want world attention on this corruption case and they got it with this simple stunt. Now the world will be watching what the junta going to do and should there be any mishaps, condemnation will flood in. It makes the UDD looks like democracy activists while the junta is looking very much like a repressive regime.

What a laugh. The outside world doesn't give a Tinkers Cuss what happens to the UDD or its followers !

[Artisi]

And neither do many many Thai people. Probably the vast majority couldn't give a rat's arse about these two individuals whom are most likely completely unknown to a lot of Thais.

[oneday]

"It's on grounds of national security,"

Total complete and utter BS

[oneday]

"...and gave incomplete information to the people..."

You mean like the military is doing everyday?

[pisico]

Ok, so TWO men, who happen to be Red Shirts, are going to the park, and the Army arrests them. For what????

But you have a mad Monk, who is about as Buddhist as my dog, leads a group of 20+, (even though the LAW says no more than 5!) to protest at the American Embassy, and no one even blinks.

Does the term "Double Standards" ring any bells????

This government is totally disgusting and pathetic.

The ARMY arresting national civilians? Isn't the Army supposed to be protecting and ready to fight to protect enemies of the country?

The pair are just civilians on a holiday. Only 2 guys.

Why not the Thai Police if they really broke any law/conditions of their bail?

[billd766]

Army explains the reason for detaining Jatuporn and Natthawut

There are reasons enough already without explaining new ones.

Spoken like a true defender of human rights!

I guess as long as you are allowed to own a gun you don't care about the rest. Do you know that in Thailand it's illegal for private persons to own guns? The horror, right?

Actually what you have said is not true in anyway at all.

If you can prove the need for a gun then a licence will be granted and you buy one legally at a gun shop.

I know that there are several gun shops in Bangkok but elsewhere I have no idea, not that I have looked.

I know that my wife as a Thai citizen can apply and legally own one but I am not sure if I can.

Anyway don't let the truth get in the way of diverting the topic will you?

Edited December 1, 2015 by billd766

[Rykbanlor]

And neither do many many Thai people. Probably the vast majority couldn't give a rat's arse about these two individuals whom are most likely completely unknown to a lot of Thais.

Not Nattawut, I think you'll find he's pretty well known, notorious might be a better word.

[dageurreotype]

The junta has just played into the hands of the UDD. They want world attention on this corruption case and they got it with this simple stunt. Now the world will be watching what the junta going to do and should there be any mishaps, condemnation will flood in. It makes the UDD looks like democracy activists while the junta is looking very much like a repressive regime.

What a laugh. The outside world doesn't give a Tinkers Cuss what happens to the UDD or its followers !

I believe your eyes would be opened should you dare take a look at what the press in The Rest Of The World is saying about Thailand now.

[Eric Loh]

And neither do many many Thai people. Probably the vast majority couldn't give a rat's arse about these two individuals whom are most likely completely unknown to a lot of Thais.

Doesn't give a rat's arse?? So why is the junta so scare of them visiting the park and taking selfies.

[Eric Loh]

The junta has just played into the hands of the UDD. They want world attention on this corruption case and they got it with this simple stunt. Now the world will be watching what the junta going to do and should there be any mishaps, condemnation will flood in. It makes the UDD looks like democracy activists while the junta is looking very much like a repressive regime.

What a laugh. The outside world doesn't give a Tinkers Cuss what happens to the UDD or its followers !

How you wish that the outside world doesn't give a damn. The junta wish that too. The arrest only make the UDD looks like the junta is taking away all basic human rights and Thailand looking more like a police state. The outside world except Prayuth favourite country has condemned Thailand. Lets hope nothing will happen to those arrested or hell will break loose.

[HomeinThailand]

Ok, so TWO men, who happen to be Red Shirts, are going to the park, and the Army arrests them. For what????

But you have a mad Monk, who is about as Buddhist as my dog, leads a group of 20+, (even though the LAW says no more than 5!) to protest at the American Embassy, and no one even blinks.

Does the term "Double Standards" ring any bells????

This government is totally disgusting and pathetic.

As long as the voices are aimed away from the Junta....all is good. No double standard....nope....not at all....keep walking......nothing to see here.

[Rimmer]

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[Rykbanlor]

The scary thing is just how many people actually do support the Junta, the sound of brains being cranked by cognitive dissonance is almost unbearable and I know a lot of very progressive Thais who i used to be able to talk to about such topics, now evade the conversation.

The reason the Junta is so popular is because they are playing a certain card which most Thais have a soft spot for, so they try to drown out the negative things because ultimately it is all supposed to be for the good of .....you know.

Anyway, even if a majority do support the JUnta, that doesn't address those who don't.

[Ace of Pop]

Those who don't are mainly Lao with Thai ID

[Rykbanlor]

No.

[Pimay1]

No it's not. Private persons can own guns providing they have the necessary license / permits.

However, not sure those black shirted mercenaries who Chalerm insists never existed had permits for their assault rifles and grenade launchers.

Correct about the permit. What I meant was that one cannot just drop into a shop in Thailand and buy a gun, which is the case in large parts of the US.

It is not the case in most civilised countries.

I wasn't talking about "most civilized countries", I was talking about the US where Pimay1 apparently hails from. Do try to pay attention, halloween.

Original post removed due to too many posts. Where to buy guns in the US or any country for that matter has absolutely nothing to do with the OP. And yes I hail from the US if you must know.