Pheu Thai seeks probe into Abhisit's qualifications to sit as MP

[Squeegee]

These right wing chickenhawks are the same the world over.

Always to eager to send others into battle but never brave enough to go themselves (or send their children)

In the US there is a whole generation of Republicans who skipped Vietnam and then where only to willing to send the next generation into the middle east quagmire.

The Yellows in Thailand certainly chose the right colour to cloak themselves in.

You might like to remember the skyed 'battle cry' from the paymaster from abroad during the 2010 events 'I'll be with you...' 'I'll personally lead you in the battle...' etc.

He never arrived, even when it got quite nasty with deaths.

By the way, were jatuporn, nattawut, arisman and a dozen more very vocal red/udd sprukers ever seen when it turned nasty? NO!

This is fair enough, but his supporters will not see it with the same perspective: that Thaksin 'never arrived' seems based on the assumption this is all rightfully past tense but I imagine supporters will simply see this period for biding their time as they look forward to the day Thaksin marches triumphantly home. And he almost certainly would put a show on for it, right through BKK like some Suthep parody.

I suspect their fantasy is about as realistic as his pals the junta have of clinging on for another two years without something kicking off.

[metisdead]

Grammar police posts, inflammatory posts, and off topic posts have been removed.

[scorecard]

These right wing chickenhawks are the same the world over.

Always to eager to send others into battle but never brave enough to go themselves (or send their children)

In the US there is a whole generation of Republicans who skipped Vietnam and then where only to willing to send the next generation into the middle east quagmire.

The Yellows in Thailand certainly chose the right colour to cloak themselves in.

You might like to remember the skyed 'battle cry' from the paymaster from abroad during the 2010 events 'I'll be with you...' 'I'll personally lead you in the battle...' etc.

He never arrived, even when it got quite nasty with deaths.

By the way, were jatuporn, nattawut, arisman and a dozen more very vocal red/udd sprukers ever seen when it turned nasty? NO!

This is fair enough, but his supporters will not see it with the same perspective: that Thaksin 'never arrived' seems based on the assumption this is all rightfully past tense but I imagine supporters will simply see this period for biding their time as they look forward to the day Thaksin marches triumphantly home. And he almost certainly would put a show on for it, right through BKK like some Suthep parody.

I suspect their fantasy is about as realistic as his pals the junta have of clinging on for another two years without something kicking off.

"... assumption this is all rightfully past tense ... "

Wow, did you graduate from the amsterdam 'multiple twist and try to confuse course'?

What's tense got to do with it? It's undeniable fact:

- You might like to remember the skyped 'battle cry' from the paymaster from abroad during the 2010 events: 'I'll be with you...' 'I'll personally lead you in the battle...' etc.

- He never arrived, even when it got quite nasty with deaths.

- By the way, were jatuporn, nattawut, arisman and a dozen more very vocal red/udd hate sprukers ever seen when it turned nasty? NO!

[scorecard]

These right wing chickenhawks are the same the world over.

Always to eager to send others into battle but never brave enough to go themselves (or send their children)

In the US there is a whole generation of Republicans who skipped Vietnam and then where only to willing to send the next generation into the middle east quagmire.

The Yellows in Thailand certainly chose the right colour to cloak themselves in.

You might like to remember the skyed 'battle cry' from the paymaster from abroad during the 2010 events 'I'll be with you...' 'I'll personally lead you in the battle...' etc.

He never arrived, even when it got quite nasty with deaths.

By the way, were jatuporn, nattawut, arisman and a dozen more very vocal red/udd sprukers ever seen when it turned nasty? NO!

This is fair enough, but his supporters will not see it with the same perspective: that Thaksin 'never arrived' seems based on the assumption this is all rightfully past tense but I imagine supporters will simply see this period for biding their time as they look forward to the day Thaksin marches triumphantly home. And he almost certainly would put a show on for it, right through BKK like some Suthep parody.

I suspect their fantasy is about as realistic as his pals the junta have of clinging on for another two years without something kicking off.

"...as they look forward to the day Thaksin marches triumphantly home. And he almost certainly would put a show on for it..."

So bless us with your direct opinion on this.

- Would you support that he could / should come home, whitewashed in terms of a well founded criminal conviction, and 15+- serious outstanding charges all forgotten?

- Would you believe that it's just fine or there is something very wrong that there are very large numbers of Thai people who have so little understanding of right and wrong (meaning they have been brainwashed)?

Is that all OK? What's your opinion?

[tbthailand]

No doubt Abhisit will appeal the decision of the Civil Court.

On the basis that the new charter could view this as grounds for him becoming ineligible (to be an MP), we could be about to witness the fastest appeals process in Thai legal history.

we could be about to witness the fastest appeals process in Thai legal history.

he's got years & years before needing a decision... Remember, elections mid-2017 is only this month's roadmap... And on the other hand, the self-appointed "PM" has been working on his the country's 20 year strategy....

[thelonius]

"facts discussed and presented by members of Pheu Thai, and the now-defunct People Power Party, about Abhisit's embattled military records. It was not political persecution but an honest legal procedure, he added."

Yeah, sure it is...

Well to be honest (something that abhisit is incapable of being) abhisit is frequently portrayed as the paragon of virtue in Thai politics. This proves the lie, literally. Of course it's political, but it's not persecution - the guy lied and falsified a document to exempt himself from conscription. The guy lied about a red notice for arrest of Thaksin from Interpol, he lied about ordering Veera to cross the Cambodian Border in a stunt to stir up Nationalistic feelings when he needed it, and don't get me started on his actions in 2010.

So it's anything but persecution, the guy is an habitual liar, yes, no different from most Thai politicians I'm sure, but that is the point. He is not virtuous despite all attempts to say the opposite. It is continually rammed home on here that the PTP have to abide by the law - well it's about time some of that law is spread around, although, as has been seen in the very recent past, abhisit and suthep are not regarded as the Teflon Dons of Thai politics for nothing

I do hope someone prosecutes you for these gross libels.

Oh dear, it's come to this.

[Skywalker69]

Remembering that Abhisit was found out to be lying about his military service when he had never been at all.

Remembering that PTP and Yingluck's was lying about their G2G rice deal with China.

[casualbiker]

Remembering that Abhisit was found out to be lying about his military service when he had never been at all.

had never been what? I think it is fact that he had been a lecturer at the Armed forces college. Hence he has done his service. Thailand has a strange Armed Forces.. Seemingly the Police are part of them BUT only it seems to NOT be conscripted into the Armed forces!

[thelonius]

Remembering that Abhisit was found out to be lying about his military service when he had never been at all.

had never been what? I think it is fact that he had been a lecturer at the Armed forces college. Hence he has done his service. Thailand has a strange Armed Forces.. Seemingly the Police are part of them BUT only it seems to NOT be conscripted into the Armed forces!

"I think it is fact that he had been a lecturer at the Armed forces college."

Well in a manner of speaking, yes, he probably did manage to fit in a bit of lecturing in between his 200 days off that he took instead of the allowed 70 days (only 70 days?). Perhaps he was perfecting his theories on urban crowd control utilising snipers and live fire zones?

[Barfinebob]

Why on earth would Pheu Thai want to see the back of Abhisit, he's the gift that never stops giving.

The guy has either lost or boycotted every election that's been held during his entire pathetic political career.

Let him stay, it only means a bigger Phew Thai winning margin at the next election.

[Barfinebob]

"facts discussed and presented by members of Pheu Thai, and the now-defunct People Power Party, about Abhisit's embattled military records. It was not political persecution but an honest legal procedure, he added."

Yeah, sure it is...

Well to be honest (something that abhisit is incapable of being) abhisit is frequently portrayed as the paragon of virtue in Thai politics. This proves the lie, literally. Of course it's political, but it's not persecution - the guy lied and falsified a document to exempt himself from conscription. The guy lied about a red notice for arrest of Thaksin from Interpol, he lied about ordering Veera to cross the Cambodian Border in a stunt to stir up Nationalistic feelings when he needed it, and don't get me started on his actions in 2010.

So it's anything but persecution, the guy is an habitual liar, yes, no different from most Thai politicians I'm sure, but that is the point. He is not virtuous despite all attempts to say the opposite. It is continually rammed home on here that the PTP have to abide by the law - well it's about time some of that law is spread around, although, as has been seen in the very recent past, abhisit and suthep are not regarded as the Teflon Dons of Thai politics for nothing

I do hope someone prosecutes you for these gross libels.

Oh dear, it's come to this.

You have to understand the mindset of Westerners that support the Junta.

Thais that support the Junta do so for personal benefit, whether it be monetary or social status, either way they get something in return for supporting the overthrow of democracy.

For Westerners on the other hand not much really changes whether Thailand is a democracy or not - life goes on more or less uninterrupted. This being the case, if there is no personal benefit, why would a Westerner support the overthrow of democracy and suppression of a people by an armed minority?

There is only one answer

Right-wing authoritarianism (RWA) is a personality and ideological variable studied in political, social, and personality psychology. Right-wing authoritarians are people who have a high degree of willingness to submit to authorities they perceive as established and legitimate, who adhere to societal conventions and norms, and who are hostile and punitive in their attitudes towards people who don't adhere to them. They value uniformity and are in favour of using group authority, including coercion, to achieve it.^[1]

[casualbiker]

Remembering that Abhisit was found out to be lying about his military service when he had never been at all.

had never been what? I think it is fact that he had been a lecturer at the Armed forces college. Hence he has done his service. Thailand has a strange Armed Forces.. Seemingly the Police are part of them BUT only it seems to NOT be conscripted into the Armed forces!

"I think it is fact that he had been a lecturer at the Armed forces college."

Well in a manner of speaking, yes, he probably did manage to fit in a bit of lecturing in between his 200 days off that he took instead of the allowed 70 days (only 70 days?). Perhaps he was perfecting his theories on urban crowd control utilising snipers and live fire zones?

what an earth are you talking about?

[daveAustin]

Lots of envy from Puke Thai and their online minnows. Abhisit is practically the only 'clean' and good natured native with enough brains to drag Muang Thai out of the mire and into the real world. Nothing will ever stick on him because he's the genuine article. Only those with vested interests and muddy spectacles trying in vain to make him look bad think otherwise. Sad really. Rock on, Mark. [emoji6]

[Eric Loh]

Lots of envy from Puke Thai and their online minnows. Abhisit is practically the only 'clean' and good natured native with enough brains to drag Muang Thai out of the mire and into the real world. Nothing will ever stick on him because he's the genuine article. Only those with vested interests and muddy spectacles trying in vain to make him look bad think otherwise. Sad really. Rock on, Mark. [emoji6]

You really know nothing and still have the gall to be derogatory. Native is associated with the place that the individual was born. Ahbisit was born in Newcastle, UK. Rest of your post, never mind.

[JAG]

Well to be honest (something that abhisit is incapable of being) abhisit is frequently portrayed as the paragon of virtue in Thai politics. This proves the lie, literally. Of course it's political, but it's not persecution - the guy lied and falsified a document to exempt himself from conscription. The guy lied about a red notice for arrest of Thaksin from Interpol, he lied about ordering Veera to cross the Cambodian Border in a stunt to stir up Nationalistic feelings when he needed it, and don't get me started on his actions in 2010.

So it's anything but persecution, the guy is an habitual liar, yes, no different from most Thai politicians I'm sure, but that is the point. He is not virtuous despite all attempts to say the opposite. It is continually rammed home on here that the PTP have to abide by the law - well it's about time some of that law is spread around, although, as has been seen in the very recent past, abhisit and suthep are not regarded as the Teflon Dons of Thai politics for nothing

I do hope someone prosecutes you for these gross libels.

Oh dear, it's come to this.

You have to understand the mindset of Westerners that support the Junta.

Thais that support the Junta do so for personal benefit, whether it be monetary or social status, either way they get something in return for supporting the overthrow of democracy.

For Westerners on the other hand not much really changes whether Thailand is a democracy or not - life goes on more or less uninterrupted. This being the case, if there is no personal benefit, why would a Westerner support the overthrow of democracy and suppression of a people by an armed minority?

There is only one answer

Right-wing authoritarianism (RWA) is a personality and ideological variable studied in political, social, and personality psychology. Right-wing authoritarians are people who have a high degree of willingness to submit to authorities they perceive as established and legitimate, who adhere to societal conventions and norms, and who are hostile and punitive in their attitudes towards people who don't adhere to them. They value uniformity and are in favour of using group authority, including coercion, to achieve it.^[1]

You mean that they have a bit of a taste for Fascism?

A lot of us worked that out some time ago!

[scorecard]

Lots of envy from Puke Thai and their online minnows. Abhisit is practically the only 'clean' and good natured native with enough brains to drag Muang Thai out of the mire and into the real world. Nothing will ever stick on him because he's the genuine article. Only those with vested interests and muddy spectacles trying in vain to make him look bad think otherwise. Sad really. Rock on, Mark. [emoji6]

You really know nothing and still have the gall to be derogatory. Native is associated with the place that the individual was born. Ahbisit was born in Newcastle, UK. Rest of your post, never mind.

What crap, you should think bigger and wider and longer-term and with an open mind. Your comments are in fact more than insulting.

Put it all in other words, your saying that anybody not born in Thailand is bad, is inferior, is not acceptable.

Shame shame and triple shame on you.

[casualbiker]

Lots of envy from Puke Thai and their online minnows. Abhisit is practically the only 'clean' and good natured native with enough brains to drag Muang Thai out of the mire and into the real world. Nothing will ever stick on him because he's the genuine article. Only those with vested interests and muddy spectacles trying in vain to make him look bad think otherwise. Sad really. Rock on, Mark. [emoji6]

You really know nothing and still have the gall to be derogatory. Native is associated with the place that the individual was born. Ahbisit was born in Newcastle, UK. Rest of your post, never mind.

The big guy was born in the USA and most of the rest of the family in Switzerland etc!!! Are you suggesting they AREN'T Thai?

[Squeegee]

This is fair enough, but his supporters will not see it with the same perspective: that Thaksin 'never arrived' seems based on the assumption this is all rightfully past tense but I imagine supporters will simply see this period for biding their time as they look forward to the day Thaksin marches triumphantly home. And he almost certainly would put a show on for it, right through BKK like some Suthep parody.

I suspect their fantasy is about as realistic as his pals the junta have of clinging on for another two years without something kicking off.

"... assumption this is all rightfully past tense ... "

Wow, did you graduate from the amsterdam 'multiple twist and try to confuse course'?

Alright then, Mr scorecard.

[Eric Loh]

Lots of envy from Puke Thai and their online minnows. Abhisit is practically the only 'clean' and good natured native with enough brains to drag Muang Thai out of the mire and into the real world. Nothing will ever stick on him because he's the genuine article. Only those with vested interests and muddy spectacles trying in vain to make him look bad think otherwise. Sad really. Rock on, Mark. [emoji6]

You really know nothing and still have the gall to be derogatory. Native is associated with the place that the individual was born. Ahbisit was born in Newcastle, UK. Rest of your post, never mind.

What crap, you should think bigger and wider and longer-term and with an open mind. Your comments are in fact more than insulting.

Put it all in other words, your saying that anybody not born in Thailand is bad, is inferior, is not acceptable.

Shame shame and triple shame on you.

Your new year resolution ought to be read more and talk less. Nothing that you posted directly refer to my reply to previous poster. Along the way, you make up lots of nonsensical inclusion. You really is a class troll.

[billd766]

Lots of envy from Puke Thai and their online minnows. Abhisit is practically the only 'clean' and good natured native with enough brains to drag Muang Thai out of the mire and into the real world. Nothing will ever stick on him because he's the genuine article. Only those with vested interests and muddy spectacles trying in vain to make him look bad think otherwise. Sad really. Rock on, Mark. [emoji6]

You really know nothing and still have the gall to be derogatory. Native is associated with the place that the individual was born. Ahbisit was born in Newcastle, UK. Rest of your post, never mind.

Actually it makes no difference where he was born provided that his Mother was Thai, therefore he is a Thai citizen. So was his father.

You seem to have developed a habit of becoming rude, arrogant and denigrating anyone who disagrees with you as you did in this post.

[Skywalker69]

Lots of envy from Puke Thai and their online minnows. Abhisit is practically the only 'clean' and good natured native with enough brains to drag Muang Thai out of the mire and into the real world. Nothing will ever stick on him because he's the genuine article. Only those with vested interests and muddy spectacles trying in vain to make him look bad think otherwise. Sad really. Rock on, Mark. [emoji6]

You really know nothing and still have the gall to be derogatory. Native is associated with the place that the individual was born. Ahbisit was born in Newcastle, UK. Rest of your post, never mind.

What crap, you should think bigger and wider and longer-term and with an open mind. Your comments are in fact more than insulting.

Put it all in other words, your saying that anybody not born in Thailand is bad, is inferior, is not acceptable.

Shame shame and triple shame on you.

Your new year resolution ought to be read more and talk less. Nothing that you posted directly refer to my reply to previous poster. Along the way, you make up lots of nonsensical inclusion. You really is a class troll.

Pot, kettle, black.

[casualbiker]

Lots of envy from Puke Thai and their online minnows. Abhisit is practically the only 'clean' and good natured native with enough brains to drag Muang Thai out of the mire and into the real world. Nothing will ever stick on him because he's the genuine article. Only those with vested interests and muddy spectacles trying in vain to make him look bad think otherwise. Sad really. Rock on, Mark. [emoji6]

You really know nothing and still have the gall to be derogatory. Native is associated with the place that the individual was born. Ahbisit was born in Newcastle, UK. Rest of your post, never mind.

Actually it makes no difference where he was born provided that his Mother was Thai, therefore he is a Thai citizen. So was his father.

You seem to have developed a habit of becoming rude, arrogant and denigrating anyone who disagrees with you as you did in this post.

yup. I was born in Singapore in a BM hospital to British parents. It certainly doesn't make me a Native born Singaporean.. I'm British.

[billd766]

Lots of envy from Puke Thai and their online minnows. Abhisit is practically the only 'clean' and good natured native with enough brains to drag Muang Thai out of the mire and into the real world. Nothing will ever stick on him because he's the genuine article. Only those with vested interests and muddy spectacles trying in vain to make him look bad think otherwise. Sad really. Rock on, Mark. [emoji6]

You really know nothing and still have the gall to be derogatory. Native is associated with the place that the individual was born. Ahbisit was born in Newcastle, UK. Rest of your post, never mind.

Actually it makes no difference where he was born provided that his Mother was Thai, therefore he is a Thai citizen. So was his father.

You seem to have developed a habit of becoming rude, arrogant and denigrating anyone who disagrees with you as you did in this post.

yup. I was born in Singapore in a BM hospital to British parents. It certainly doesn't make me a Native born Singaporean.. I'm British.

My son here in Thailand is a Thai because his mother is Thai. His Dad (me) is English so my son is English too though born in Thailand. He has dual nationality.

[Eric Loh]

Pity the difference between a native and a citizen was never understood. To help.

Native - someone who was born in the land/someone whose ancestors have been living in those lands for thousands of years. Natives can be also citizens.

Citizen - someone who was born in the land but his ancestors came from somewhere else, therefore, that person is a citizen but not Native to the land.

[casualbiker]

Pity the difference between a native and a citizen was never understood. To help.

Native - someone who was born in the land/someone whose ancestors have been living in those lands for thousands of years. Natives can be also citizens.

Citizen - someone who was born in the land but his ancestors came from somewhere else, therefore, that person is a citizen but not Native to the land.

WHERE did you get those definitions?

[billd766]

Pity the difference between a native and a citizen was never understood. To help.

Native - someone who was born in the land/someone whose ancestors have been living in those lands for thousands of years. Natives can be also citizens.

Citizen - someone who was born in the land but his ancestors came from somewhere else, therefore, that person is a citizen but not Native to the land.

You can also apply to become a citizen in another country and in some cases large amounts of money can change hands to obtain that citizenship.

You can also be a citizen of several countries without living in any of them.

[thelonius]

Remembering that Abhisit was found out to be lying about his military service when he had never been at all.

had never been what? I think it is fact that he had been a lecturer at the Armed forces college. Hence he has done his service. Thailand has a strange Armed Forces.. Seemingly the Police are part of them BUT only it seems to NOT be conscripted into the Armed forces!

"I think it is fact that he had been a lecturer at the Armed forces college."

Well in a manner of speaking, yes, he probably did manage to fit in a bit of lecturing in between his 200 days off that he took instead of the allowed 70 days (only 70 days?). Perhaps he was perfecting his theories on urban crowd control utilising snipers and live fire zones?

what an earth are you talking about?

I thought it was plainly obvious, abhisit said that he was exempt from military service because he was applying for and ultimately got a job at the Chulachomklao Royal Military Academy. He then took 200 days of personal leave during his time (roughly 2/3rds of his tenure) there when he was only allowed 70 days, so hardly a dedicated lecturer - one could be forgiven to think that he was dodging the draft. Then abhisit decided to sue the Defence Minister of the time who said that abhisit forged documents of his Reserve Army status which he used to get the lecturer job. You may recall that just recently that the judges have ruled that the Defence Minister was not defaming abhisit, basically abhisit lied and was caught out.

Now is that clear enough for you?

[djjamie]

This certainly flies against the theory that the PTP and reds desperately want Abhisit to stay with the Dems because that ensures they will never win an election.

As stated before they are intimidated by his intellect, commitment to moving the nation forward and highly tuned debating skills which literally shut down any chance of the Reds or PTP going one on one with him on live TV as he would cut them down and they know it.

[Eric Loh]

This certainly flies against the theory that the PTP and reds desperately want Abhisit to stay with the Dems because that ensures they will never win an election.

As stated before they are intimidated by his intellect, commitment to moving the nation forward and highly tuned debating skills which literally shut down any chance of the Reds or PTP going one on one with him on live TV as he would cut them down and they know it.

Farmers just need policies to help them not highly tuned debating. Reach out to them and you win the election.

[casualbiker]

This certainly flies against the theory that the PTP and reds desperately want Abhisit to stay with the Dems because that ensures they will never win an election.

As stated before they are intimidated by his intellect, commitment to moving the nation forward and highly tuned debating skills which literally shut down any chance of the Reds or PTP going one on one with him on live TV as he would cut them down and they know it.

Farmers just need policies to help them not highly tuned debating. Reach out to them and you win the election.

Farmers just need (sustainable) policies to help them not highly tuned debating.

I changed your post slightly to bring it into reality.

Reach out to them and you win the election. Which no one has actually done yet. Farmers need better financial and agricultural education. They need a year on year sustainable method of attaining the necessary products (fertilizer etc) at cost or near cost pricing. Finally they need to know that the products farmed are going to sustain a MINIMUM price were they can earn money. Other countries do it without actually taking buying the products outright.