rixalex Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 So how has the 2016 Civic Turbo moved on ? 1980 1.5 Turbo did 0-60 [0-100] in 8 seconds.. also known in the UK as the Triumph Acclaim Turbo.. also back then there was the City with the Turbo [Hot hatch in it day] and 7.9 sec 0-60 few years later was different models of the Rover Turbo, re-badged Honda's. [Honda engines, gearboxes and body] I get your point but perhaps there is a bit of a difference. In the 1980s if you wanted a car that did 0 to 60 in 8 seconds or less you most likely would have to buy a sports version of a car, which would often mean also getting garish go-faster stripes, spoilers and all the rest. There were some tasteful exceptions, such as the Golf GTi, but generally they were cars aimed at the young lad looking to pull the ladies and impress the mates. And these cars were certainly not bought with an eye to good fuel consumption or low emissions. Today's 8 second 0 to 60 car might not have moved the game on much when you simply look at things like acceleration numbers, but they have made advances in other areas and have a much wider appeal because of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignis Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 So how has the 2016 Civic Turbo moved on ? 1980 1.5 Turbo did 0-60 [0-100] in 8 seconds.. also known in the UK as the Triumph Acclaim Turbo.. also back then there was the City with the Turbo [Hot hatch in it day] and 7.9 sec 0-60 few years later was different models of the Rover Turbo, re-badged Honda's. [Honda engines, gearboxes and body] I get your point but perhaps there is a bit of a difference. In the 1980s if you wanted a car that did 0 to 60 in 8 seconds or less you most likely would have to buy a sports version of a car, which would often mean also getting garish go-faster stripes, spoilers and all the rest. There were some tasteful exceptions, such as the Golf GTi, but generally they were cars aimed at the young lad looking to pull the ladies and impress the mates. And these cars were certainly not bought with an eye to good fuel consumption or low emissions. Today's 8 second 0 to 60 car might not have moved the game on much when you simply look at things like acceleration numbers, but they have made advances in other areas and have a much wider appeal because of that. spoilers and all the rest... Yes, but at least with say Ford and there huge rear wings on all Cosworth models back then stood out from the normal 1000's of Escort, Sierra etc, Reps car on the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisH Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 This is not good considering it's doing it in 7 seconds on the U.S model.. My shitty Ford fiesta sport is doing it in 9.3 seconds , so I'm now considering not buying the new civic as it's under Tuned compared to the U.S model.. Anyone know if you can chip the engine to give it more power?? If you can I'll buy it..What happened to 6.5? There's quite a big difference between 6.5 and 7.5 secs.....just get it below is an lots of HP is needed. I think there is more appeal to the new civic that just performance numbers. Overtaking performance is much more important in normal driving. The small turbos have bags of it (at lest as good as honda accord / teana) or better, in that respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jitar Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 So how has the 2016 Civic Turbo moved on ? 1980 1.5 Turbo did 0-60 [0-100] in 8 seconds.. also known in the UK as the Triumph Acclaim Turbo.. also back then there was the City with the Turbo [Hot hatch in it day] and 7.9 sec 0-60 few years later was different models of the Rover Turbo, re-badged Honda's. [Honda engines, gearboxes and body] car-size-chart.jpeg If the Civic did not grow bigger there would be no City. Seems car models are like people, most grow bigger a fatter as they mature. Must be easier to sell a bigger all new model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixalex Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 This is not good considering it's doing it in 7 seconds on the U.S model.. My shitty Ford fiesta sport is doing it in 9.3 seconds , so I'm now considering not buying the new civic as it's under Tuned compared to the U.S model.. Anyone know if you can chip the engine to give it more power?? If you can I'll buy it..What happened to 6.5?There's quite a big difference between 6.5 and 7.5 secs.....just get it below is an lots of HP is needed. I think there is more appeal to the new civic that just performance numbers. Overtaking performance is much more important in normal driving. The small turbos have bags of it (at lest as good as honda accord / teana) or better, in that respect.No argument from me on any of that. I was just curious to know what happened to Huayrat's adamant claim that it did it in 6.5, which would put it within the realms of supercar performance, or at least not far off it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixalex Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 spoilers and all the rest... Yes, but at least with say Ford and there huge rear wings on all Cosworth models back then stood out from the normal 1000's of Escort, Sierra etc, Reps car on the road. Great cars those Ford Cosworths but not in my opinion made great by those ridiculous tea trays bolted on to the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignis Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 spoilers and all the rest... Yes, but at least with say Ford and there huge rear wings on all Cosworth models back then stood out from the normal 1000's of Escort, Sierra etc, Reps car on the road. Great cars those Ford Cosworths but not in my opinion made great by those ridiculous tea trays bolted on to the back. Did that huge 'ridiculous tea tray' make any difference? the 190E Cosworth managed just as well with a small one.. years ago used to often drive my Bosses Benz Cosworth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoiBiker Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) Probably about as much difference as the ones you see bolted onto Bangkok taxis. Edited February 17, 2016 by SoiBiker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixalex Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) Yeah nice car that although they did too end up going the tea tray route with the EVO 190. My favourite of that generation of Cosworths was the Sierra Sapphire, as immortalized by good old Jimmy Nail in the Spender series. Very understated car. Edited February 17, 2016 by rixalex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisH Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) This is not good considering it's doing it in 7 seconds on the U.S model.. My shitty Ford fiesta sport is doing it in 9.3 seconds , so I'm now considering not buying the new civic as it's under Tuned compared to the U.S model.. Anyone know if you can chip the engine to give it more power?? If you can I'll buy it..What happened to 6.5?There's quite a big difference between 6.5 and 7.5 secs.....just get it below is an lots of HP is needed. I think there is more appeal to the new civic that just performance numbers. Overtaking performance is much more important in normal driving. The small turbos have bags of it (at lest as good as honda accord / teana) or better, in that respect.No argument from me on any of that. I was just curious to know what happened to Huayrat's adamant claim that it did it in 6.5, which would put it within the realms of supercar performance, or at least not far off it. I only ever read one claim of the time being less than 7 secs. I forgot the link. Most other times seem to be 7+ seconds, which is still way off those recorded a couple of days ago in Thailand. Just watched two videos and 0-60mph is about 8.5 secs and 7.7 secs with my stopwatch. The heat here doesn't help performance. A honda engine needs 10K kms under its belt before reaching maximum performance. They could have been fresh out the box and still 'tight'. Edited February 17, 2016 by DavisH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jitar Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Dunno how representative these are but the 2 most commonly quoted results are 6.8 and 7.2s to 60mph: http://www.caranddriver.com/honda/civic http://www.motortrend.com/news/2016-honda-civic-first-test-review/ 0 to 100 km/h in the heat will be slower for sure. Not sure about lower boost because of fuel quality for LOS though. The US version runs on 87 RON. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 The benzine factor means little . MrTurbo love E85 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 March 18 is the day it's released in all the Showrooms ,no confirmed price list as yet. I've ordered a white turbo as near as I can so far...[emoji23] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 The benzine factor means little . MrTurbo love E85 The Civic RS cannot drink E85 Ace - E20 max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Nice one didn't know that ,but I'm not bothered about economy, just comfort. Should get a Teana really [emoji609][emoji99] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywais Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Just read on a Thai Civic forum that the Civic for Thailand will have 1.5 Turbo and 1.5 Turbo RS variants. New article in Bangkok Post confirming the 1.5 Turbo coming here 173hp. Checking my bank account now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignis Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) and in other markets the all New Civic [built on the new global Honda chassis] will also get a new 1.0-litre three-cylinder turbo petrol engine, 1.5 petrol Turbo and 1.8 non Turbo, + Diesel + hatchback 5 door, Coupe 3 door, Estate [Tourer] but that will also be a bit special Civic Tourer. In fact ... Its 306bhp 2.0-litre turbocharged engine whisks you to 62mph in 5.7 seconds [uK Autocar reviews] Edited February 17, 2016 by seedy font Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardokano Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 This is not good considering it's doing it in 7 seconds on the U.S model.. My shitty Ford fiesta sport is doing it in 9.3 seconds , so I'm now considering not buying the new civic as it's under Tuned compared to the U.S model.. Anyone know if you can chip the engine to give it more power?? If you can I'll buy it..What happened to 6.5? There's quite a big difference between 6.5 and 7.5 secs.....just get it below is an lots of HP is needed. I think there is more appeal to the new civic that just performance numbers. Overtaking performance is much more important in normal driving. The small turbos have bags of it (at lest as good as honda accord / teana) or better, in that respect. bags have even not small turbo before i used chip for 6 liter turbodisel and just after not have filing have bag when acseeration. but after bake to normal. Becouse worry abot trasmition.. better bag than broken trasmition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardokano Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Just read on a Thai Civic forum that the Civic for Thailand will have 1.5 Turbo and 1.5 Turbo RS variants. New article in Bangkok Post confirming the 1.5 Turbo coming here 173hp. Checking my bank account now. but its stil slow car. what I see in thai marcket(oficial) in past 10 years best for ride car with power ingine from Honda it be Accord 3.0 . Just my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywais Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Just read on a Thai Civic forum that the Civic for Thailand will have 1.5 Turbo and 1.5 Turbo RS variants. New article in Bangkok Post confirming the 1.5 Turbo coming here 173hp. Checking my bank account now. but its stil slow car. what I see in thai marcket(oficial) in past 10 years best for ride car with power ingine from Honda it be Accord 3.0 . Just my opinion Only I don't see an Accord 3.0 available in Thailand the top 2.4 runs nearly 1.8 million, the 3.0 if made available would be, well expensive. Besides, slow is a matter of perspective. I have a Civic 2.0 at 154 hp and it pulls good enough. My previous car was a '93 Nissan 2.0 Turbo with nearly similar HP and also was sufficient performance for driving in Thailand. 173hp on the new Civic starts getting at the dangerous point if one is not careful. Of course my very first car had a 370hp 429ci engine and did 0-60 at around 5.8s but it was a very heavy muscle car and driven on US roads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Just read on a Thai Civic forum that the Civic for Thailand will have 1.5 Turbo and 1.5 Turbo RS variants. New article in Bangkok Post confirming the 1.5 Turbo coming here 173hp. Checking my bank account now. but its stil slow car. what I see in thai marcket(oficial) in past 10 years best for ride car with power ingine from Honda it be Accord 3.0 . Just my opinion Mr Adorkanus can you please stick to writing the translation for Chinease Dash Cam Instructions.I can just about manage them,well..., not realy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardokano Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Just read on a Thai Civic forum that the Civic for Thailand will have 1.5 Turbo and 1.5 Turbo RS variants. New article in Bangkok Post confirming the 1.5 Turbo coming here 173hp. Checking my bank account now. but its stil slow car. what I see in thai marcket(oficial) in past 10 years best for ride car with power ingine from Honda it be Accord 3.0 . Just my opinion Mr Adorkanus can you please stick to writing the translation for Chinease Dash Cam Instructions.I can just about manage them,well..., not realy.Ha ha. Its need face ro face. Speak i little better than write. You where? I have many plane about traveling in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardokano Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Just read on a Thai Civic forum that the Civic for Thailand will have 1.5 Turbo and 1.5 Turbo RS variants. New article in Bangkok Post confirming the 1.5 Turbo coming here 173hp. Checking my bank account now. but its stil slow car. what I see in thai marcket(oficial) in past 10 years best for ride car with power ingine from Honda it be Accord 3.0 . Just my opinion Only I don't see an Accord 3.0 available in Thailand the top 2.4 runs nearly 1.8 million, the 3.0 if made available would be, well expensive. Besides, slow is a matter of perspective. I have a Civic 2.0 at 154 hp and it pulls good enough. My previous car was a '93 Nissan 2.0 Turbo with nearly similar HP and also was sufficient performance for driving in Thailand. 173hp on the new Civic starts getting at the dangerous point if one is not careful. Of course my very first car had a 370hp 429ci engine and did 0-60 at around 5.8s but it was a very heavy muscle car and driven on US roads. Sorry about my English. I mean its not far from 1.8 Near 1 sec only difference? And 70-120 where near acselleratione. And in may opinion in normal use car important acceleration only whan you overtaking. And it 70-120. Turbo need more care, and higth cost. So no see big reason for 1.5 turbo. About accord. I say for model in past 10 year. And accord for American/Asia market (in japan its be inspire) Model 2003-2007 In Thailand i hear sell 3.0 Ofcouse its not spec Inspire(more poor) but its near 216 hp and 0-100km 7.6 sec And still avaible get 250 hp as in inspire( with out hard for car and any exchange) So in my opinion its be best from Honda in Thailand market driver car. If i know 7 gen accord for Japan and Europe be smaller than for America and Asia. And Accord 7 (America/Asia) it more near for Legend . So it nice car. Even in my opinion its better than 8 gen accord. Because 8 gen try make "family car" and accord lost in handling. Ps Only my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaseTheBass Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Just read on a Thai Civic forum that the Civic for Thailand will have 1.5 Turbo and 1.5 Turbo RS variants. New article in Bangkok Post confirming the 1.5 Turbo coming here 173hp. Checking my bank account now. but its stil slow car. what I see in thai marcket(oficial) in past 10 years best for ride car with power ingine from Honda it be Accord 3.0 . Just my opinion Only I don't see an Accord 3.0 available in Thailand the top 2.4 runs nearly 1.8 million, the 3.0 if made available would be, well expensive. Besides, slow is a matter of perspective. I have a Civic 2.0 at 154 hp and it pulls good enough. My previous car was a '93 Nissan 2.0 Turbo with nearly similar HP and also was sufficient performance for driving in Thailand. 173hp on the new Civic starts getting at the dangerous point if one is not careful. Of course my very first car had a 370hp 429ci engine and did 0-60 at around 5.8s but it was a very heavy muscle car and driven on US roads. Agree about too much power for the majority of the local market. I remember when the new Turdota Commuter was released and thought anything over 90bhp is too much for the local dimwits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisH Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Just read on a Thai Civic forum that the Civic for Thailand will have 1.5 Turbo and 1.5 Turbo RS variants. New article in Bangkok Post confirming the 1.5 Turbo coming here 173hp. Checking my bank account now. but its stil slow car. what I see in thai marcket(oficial) in past 10 years best for ride car with power ingine from Honda it be Accord 3.0 . Just my opinion Only I don't see an Accord 3.0 available in Thailand the top 2.4 runs nearly 1.8 million, the 3.0 if made available would be, well expensive. Besides, slow is a matter of perspective. I have a Civic 2.0 at 154 hp and it pulls good enough. My previous car was a '93 Nissan 2.0 Turbo with nearly similar HP and also was sufficient performance for driving in Thailand. 173hp on the new Civic starts getting at the dangerous point if one is not careful. Of course my very first car had a 370hp 429ci engine and did 0-60 at around 5.8s but it was a very heavy muscle car and driven on US roads. I checked some stats....whats scary is that the nissan sylphy turbo could out accelerate the 3.5L honda accord. They have similar 0-100 (8's) and 80-120 (5's) times. 5 secs is pretty good for a small motor. Now how to make the 1.5/1/6 sound like a 3.5L ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisH Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Just read on a Thai Civic forum that the Civic for Thailand will have 1.5 Turbo and 1.5 Turbo RS variants. New article in Bangkok Post confirming the 1.5 Turbo coming here 173hp. Checking my bank account now. but its stil slow car. what I see in thai marcket(oficial) in past 10 years best for ride car with power ingine from Honda it be Accord 3.0 . Just my opinion Only I don't see an Accord 3.0 available in Thailand the top 2.4 runs nearly 1.8 million, the 3.0 if made available would be, well expensive. Besides, slow is a matter of perspective. I have a Civic 2.0 at 154 hp and it pulls good enough. My previous car was a '93 Nissan 2.0 Turbo with nearly similar HP and also was sufficient performance for driving in Thailand. 173hp on the new Civic starts getting at the dangerous point if one is not careful. Of course my very first car had a 370hp 429ci engine and did 0-60 at around 5.8s but it was a very heavy muscle car and driven on US roads. Hey where is the missing 1HP from the honda 2.0? 555 Should be 155HP. I got a 2004 model. Old but still pretty good an looks good still. Really sucks the juice though. I just think driving the new one now would show what an old dinosaur the old model is:) The old 3.5L accord was sold here for nearly 3M baht. Can get one now for about a million second hand. Yeah, given the average driver here, anything approaching 200HP would be dangerous in the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huayrat Posted February 17, 2016 Author Share Posted February 17, 2016 This is not good considering it's doing it in 7 seconds on the U.S model.. My shitty Ford fiesta sport is doing it in 9.3 seconds , so I'm now considering not buying the new civic as it's under Tuned compared to the U.S model.. Anyone know if you can chip the engine to give it more power?? If you can I'll buy it..What happened to 6.5? Go look at the U.S model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huayrat Posted February 17, 2016 Author Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) This is not good considering it's doing it in 7 seconds on the U.S model.. My shitty Ford fiesta sport is doing it in 9.3 seconds , so I'm now considering not buying the new civic as it's under Tuned compared to the U.S model.. Anyone know if you can chip the engine to give it more power?? If you can I'll buy it..What happened to 6.5? Go look at the U.S model Google new Honda Civic 0-60 MPH and go look at the video.. DELETED Edited February 17, 2016 by seedy troll / flaming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardokano Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I checked some stats....whats scary is that the nissan sylphy turbo could out accelerate the 3.5L honda accord. They have similar 0-100 (8's) and 80-120 (5's) times. 5 secs is pretty good for a small motor. Now how to make the 1.5/1/6 sound like a 3.5L ??Please can you tel me from where infirmation?http://www.headlightmag.com/exclusive-first-impression-honda-civic-2016-1-5-turbo-rs-cvt/ 6.77 sec thai spec 1.5 turbo and 8.45 sec for 2.0 About what 5 sec you talking? No see for why need buy turbo if have 2.0 in simular slow speed. And 3.5 accord not have in Thai market. So no correct compare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardokano Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Just read on a Thai Civic forum that the Civic for Thailand will have 1.5 Turbo and 1.5 Turbo RS variants. New article in Bangkok Post confirming the 1.5 Turbo coming here 173hp. Checking my bank account now. but its stil slow car. what I see in thai marcket(oficial) in past 10 years best for ride car with power ingine from Honda it be Accord 3.0 . Just my opinion Only I don't see an Accord 3.0 available in Thailand the top 2.4 runs nearly 1.8 million, the 3.0 if made available would be, well expensive. Besides, slow is a matter of perspective. I have a Civic 2.0 at 154 hp and it pulls good enough. My previous car was a '93 Nissan 2.0 Turbo with nearly similar HP and also was sufficient performance for driving in Thailand. 173hp on the new Civic starts getting at the dangerous point if one is not careful. Of course my very first car had a 370hp 429ci engine and did 0-60 at around 5.8s but it was a very heavy muscle car and driven on US roads. Hey where is the missing 1HP from the honda 2.0? 555 Should be 155HP. I got a 2004 model. Old but still pretty good an looks good still. Really sucks the juice though. I just think driving the new one now would show what an old dinosaur the old model is:)The old 3.5L accord was sold here for nearly 3M baht. Can get one now for about a million second hand. Yeah, given the average driver here, anything approaching 200HP would be dangerous in the wrong hands Old accord? What gen? 8 gen it "sad" accord. Lost in handeling not as previose 7 gen. better all spec inspire and Europe/japan version. Ps 200 hp its not realy big power for not small car as accord. And have so many electronics now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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