Poomtham: cabinet’s comments on charter draft a proof of the flaws of the draft

[rooster59]

Poomtham: cabinet’s comments on charter draft a proof of the flaws of the draft



BANGKOK: The cabinet’s comments on various points of the charter draft is a clear indication that the draft is badly flawed, will not be accepted and may not sail through the referendum process, said Pheu Thai acting secretary-general Poomtham Wecchayachai on Friday.

He hailed the cabinet’s comment opposing a provision in the draft which seeks to extend the term in service of the judges of Constitutional Court. The cabinet proposed that the roadmap should be strictly followed.

Poomtham said that the draft seeks to give too much powers to the Constitutional Court which may impact on national administration and parliamentary representation system.

He said that the junta had observed the reactions to the provision in question and realized the past mistakes of the Constitutional Court.

Regarding the cabinet’s proposal of a half-baked democracy, Poomtham said the majority of the people do not trust and have doubt over the political system and personnel to emerge from the system and mechanism designed by the Constitution Drafting Committee.

He claimed that democratic system has always had the way out for a crisis. He blamed the political crisis two years ago to elements who disregard democracy.

Two years since the military takeover on May 22, 2014 is a long time enough for the country to return to democracy and this will be the best way out of the crisis for the country and for the restoration of peace for the people, said the Pheu Thai acting secretary-general.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/content/151668

-- Thai PBS 2016-01-20

[Tatsujin]

He's not wrong about this draft, but PT still can't accept they did anything wrong during their tenure it seems.

[thesetat2013]

He's not wrong about this draft, but PT still can't accept they did anything wrong during their tenure it seems.

And they never will admit it. It is not their way of thinking that it is even remotely possible their party members could do wrong.

[scorecard]

He's not wrong about this draft, but PT still can't accept they did anything wrong during their tenure it seems.

And they never will admit it. It is not their way of thinking that it is even remotely possible their party members could do wrong.

He's an executive of PT, he's negative about the draft, anybody surprised?

[Tatsujin]

He's not wrong about this draft, but PT still can't accept they did anything wrong during their tenure it seems.

And they never will admit it. It is not their way of thinking that it is even remotely possible their party members could do wrong.

And it's why we are constantly going around in circles year after year after year, hitting the reset button but learning and changing nothing.

"face" needs to be banned as a concept.

[cockatoowho]

He's not wrong about this draft, but PT still can't accept they did anything wrong during their tenure it seems.

Also it is unfortunate that many as yourself cannot accept that all sides have done something wrong during their tenures. Little weeds like the current leadership grow healthy and strangle all while everything around is preoccupied with stupidity.

[jesimps]

He's not wrong about this draft, but PT still can't accept they did anything wrong during their tenure it seems.

And they never will admit it. It is not their way of thinking that it is even remotely possible their party members could do wrong.

So the mechanism was there to vote them out at the end of their term. Even before then when the EC called the election two years ago your lot blockaded the polling stations.

The reason being of course, was that no matter how bad the old lot were, you knew that you still wouldn't lick them in an election.

Doesn't say much for your shower does it?

So yes, the old lot weren't up to scratch, but your crowd are pathetic for not being able to beat them without the aid of the military.

[MZurf]

He's not wrong about this draft, but PT still can't accept they did anything wrong during their tenure it seems.

And they never will admit it. It is not their way of thinking that it is even remotely possible their party members could do wrong.

He's an executive of PT, he's negative about the draft, anybody surprised?

You're absolutely right. Almost everyone is negative about the draft so why should this guy be different.

[scorecard]

He's not wrong about this draft, but PT still can't accept they did anything wrong during their tenure it seems.

And they never will admit it. It is not their way of thinking that it is even remotely possible their party members could do wrong.

So the mechanism was there to vote them out at the end of their term. Even before then when the EC called the election two years ago your lot blockaded the polling stations.

The reason being of course, was that no matter how bad the old lot were, you knew that you still wouldn't lick them in an election.

Doesn't say much for your shower does it?

So yes, the old lot weren't up to scratch, but your crowd are pathetic for not being able to beat them without the aid of the military.

Is this another newbie going to re-run 'just vote them out at the next election' when in reality the pt /reds / udd were making strong progress towards establishing a dictatorship, also meaning that nobody could ever, by an election, get them out. So let's hear more of how this situation should have been handled so that the good people of Thailand should regain control of their own country.

Perhaps more division generated by the scaly absentee to create a civil war?

Also had no hesitation, no conscience, no morals, no vales to try any means possible to whitewash a past jail conviction (which was not politically motivated, get cancellation of numerous serious charges outstanding against their members, etc.

Of course they will oppose any new / adjusted charter which aims to keep such immoral, no conscience and incapable folks out. But to be fair is it only pt / udd who are immoral / are corrupt? No, and they should all, regardless of color etc., be punished as appropriate.

And now of course we have the folks who (how convenient) keep up the 'junta lovers' comments etc.

[thesetat2013]

He's not wrong about this draft, but PT still can't accept they did anything wrong during their tenure it seems.

And they never will admit it. It is not their way of thinking that it is even remotely possible their party members could do wrong.

So the mechanism was there to vote them out at the end of their term. Even before then when the EC called the election two years ago your lot blockaded the polling stations.

The reason being of course, was that no matter how bad the old lot were, you knew that you still wouldn't lick them in an election.

Doesn't say much for your shower does it?

So yes, the old lot weren't up to scratch, but your crowd are pathetic for not being able to beat them without the aid of the military.

Wow do you have some really strong personal issues to deal with. My lot! My shower!! My crowd!!!? I am a foreigner and don't have anything to do with this and I certainly don't have sides with which I would pick one over the other. As another poster has commented. Newbie who has no idea how to be in the middle looking at all sides.

[MZurf]

He's not wrong about this draft, but PT still can't accept they did anything wrong during their tenure it seems.

And they never will admit it. It is not their way of thinking that it is even remotely possible their party members could do wrong.

So the mechanism was there to vote them out at the end of their term. Even before then when the EC called the election two years ago your lot blockaded the polling stations.

The reason being of course, was that no matter how bad the old lot were, you knew that you still wouldn't lick them in an election.

Doesn't say much for your shower does it?

So yes, the old lot weren't up to scratch, but your crowd are pathetic for not being able to beat them without the aid of the military.

Is this another newbie going to re-run 'just vote them out at the next election' when in reality the pt /reds / udd were making strong progress towards establishing a dictatorship, also meaning that nobody could ever, by an election, get them out. So let's hear more of how this situation should have been handled so that the good people of Thailand should regain control of their own country.

Perhaps more division generated by the scaly absentee to create a civil war?

Also had no hesitation, no conscience, no morals, no vales to try any means possible to whitewash a past jail conviction (which was not politically motivated, get cancellation of numerous serious charges outstanding against their members, etc.

Of course they will oppose any new / adjusted charter which aims to keep such immoral, no conscience and incapable folks out. But to be fair is it only pt / udd who are immoral / are corrupt? No, and they should all, regardless of color etc., be punished as appropriate.

And now of course we have the folks who (how convenient) keep up the 'junta lovers' comments etc.

"Is this another newbie going to re-run 'just vote them out at the next election......"

So the "newbies" aren't allowed an opinion in the matter? It really says a lot about you that a newbie has grasped something you probably never will.

"... the pt /reds / udd were making strong progress towards establishing a dictatorship,..."

Yes that's why the army stepped in and graciously relived the people's right to vote! They're just a bunch of people who want what's best for Thailand

BTW, what do you call the rule of a junta? Is it a word beginning with the letter d?

[chainarong]

He's not wrong about this draft, but PT still can't accept they did anything wrong during their tenure it seems.

And they never will admit it. It is not their way of thinking that it is even remotely possible their party members could do wrong.

He's an executive of PT, he's negative about the draft, anybody surprised?

Well i'm entirely negative against unelected members being voted in, which I consider will lead to money changing hands for nominating ( I don't trust the spiffs ) and I don't subscribed to the PTP monthly magazine.

[scorecard]

Is this another newbie going to re-run 'just vote them out at the next election......"

So tell me what the newbie has grasped that I haven't, educate me, I'm all ears.

[jayboy]

He's not wrong about this draft, but PT still can't accept they did anything wrong during their tenure it seems.

And they never will admit it. It is not their way of thinking that it is even remotely possible their party members could do wrong.

So the mechanism was there to vote them out at the end of their term. Even before then when the EC called the election two years ago your lot blockaded the polling stations.

The reason being of course, was that no matter how bad the old lot were, you knew that you still wouldn't lick them in an election.

Doesn't say much for your shower does it?

So yes, the old lot weren't up to scratch, but your crowd are pathetic for not being able to beat them without the aid of the military.

Is this another newbie going to re-run 'just vote them out at the next election' when in reality the pt /reds / udd were making strong progress towards establishing a dictatorship, also meaning that nobody could ever, by an election, get them out. So let's hear more of how this situation should have been handled so that the good people of Thailand should regain control of their own country.

Perhaps more division generated by the scaly absentee to create a civil war?

Also had no hesitation, no conscience, no morals, no vales to try any means possible to whitewash a past jail conviction (which was not politically motivated, get cancellation of numerous serious charges outstanding against their members, etc.

Of course they will oppose any new / adjusted charter which aims to keep such immoral, no conscience and incapable folks out. But to be fair is it only pt / udd who are immoral / are corrupt? No, and they should all, regardless of color etc., be punished as appropriate.

And now of course we have the folks who (how convenient) keep up the 'junta lovers' comments etc.

More lies from you.There is no evidence that the supporters of the last legal government were attempting to establish a dictatorship.That is the kind of mindless dishonesty which is completely unacceptable.Few would question that Thaksin had authoritarian tendencies but that is hugely different from suggesting the country was on the road to a dictatorship.In any event he physically disappeared from the scence several years ago and his successor governments were chiefly distinguished by their deference to military and other vested interests.You say that it had become impossible to oust the political interests you dislike by an election - notwithstanding that international observers all concurred the elections were free and fair.Does it never occur to you that the main obstacle to the replacement of Thaksin oriented parties is the unwillingness/inability of the Democrat Party to reform itself with the aim re-establishing itself as a movement attracting support from across the whole Kingdom.As long as it retains such a close attachment to the old feudal/military vested interests it has no choice but to avoid popular elections - relying instead on coups, politically meddling courts and if necessary repression of fellow citizens.

How dare you invoke the 'good people of Thailand regaining control of their country' when you regurgitate the hateful propaganda of those who treat the Thai majority like second class citizens.Shame on you.

As for the charter it is tainted.For those who don't deal in propaganda and lies there is an article which reflects civilised and decent Thai opinion.

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1455955163

Edited February 21, 2016 by jayboy

[smutcakes]

He's not wrong about this draft, but PT still can't accept they did anything wrong during their tenure it seems.

And they never will admit it. It is not their way of thinking that it is even remotely possible their party members could do wrong.

So the mechanism was there to vote them out at the end of their term. Even before then when the EC called the election two years ago your lot blockaded the polling stations.

The reason being of course, was that no matter how bad the old lot were, you knew that you still wouldn't lick them in an election.

Doesn't say much for your shower does it?

So yes, the old lot weren't up to scratch, but your crowd are pathetic for not being able to beat them without the aid of the military.

Is this another newbie going to re-run 'just vote them out at the next election' when in reality the pt /reds / udd were making strong progress towards establishing a dictatorship, also meaning that nobody could ever, by an election, get them out. So let's hear more of how this situation should have been handled so that the good people of Thailand should regain control of their own country.

Perhaps more division generated by the scaly absentee to create a civil war?

Also had no hesitation, no conscience, no morals, no vales to try any means possible to whitewash a past jail conviction (which was not politically motivated, get cancellation of numerous serious charges outstanding against their members, etc.

Of course they will oppose any new / adjusted charter which aims to keep such immoral, no conscience and incapable folks out. But to be fair is it only pt / udd who are immoral / are corrupt? No, and they should all, regardless of color etc., be punished as appropriate.

And now of course we have the folks who (how convenient) keep up the 'junta lovers' comments etc.

Is this new line being handed around to start shouting? First it was TS trying to overthrow the HOS, then vote buying, now they were making 'strong' progress towards establishing a dictatorship??

Why dont you outline what they had done, what rules had been amended in this 'strong' progress?

[Tatsujin]

He's not wrong about this draft, but PT still can't accept they did anything wrong during their tenure it seems.

Also it is unfortunate that many as yourself cannot accept that all sides have done something wrong during their tenures. Little weeds like the current leadership grow healthy and strangle all while everything around is preoccupied with stupidity.

As I never wrote anything in my original post about other "sides" not sure how you can say that I can't accept that all sides have done wrong. I've actually said that myself on numerous occasions.