World considers a Trump presidency, and many shudder

[sunnyjim5]

It is a circus !

[NovaBlue05]

Can Ryan run third party and keep his republican house seat.

The GOP insiders can manipulated the convention and get Ryan nominated as the GOP candidate. Watch out for the sparks if they nominate someone who hasn't even bothered to run. What a travesty, trampling on the process.

The GOP does have time and money on their side. They basically have 4 months to flood the TV with nastyAds. They also have the benefit of the Soro's element & DNC doing the same in tandem. They can also fabricate scandals, etc. They don't have to be true. They just need to create doubt. They could make it look like a mercy killing by July. If Trump gets the nomination, he will have a 24/7 $hltstorm swirling around him from July until November. If the GOP has to nominate him, they would probably sabotage his general campaign preferring Clinton and the thinking that she will not rock the status quo that has carried them...and her.... this far

Edited March 16, 2016 by NovaBlue05

[Linzz]

I understand that if Trump does not increase his run rate (to use a cricketing analogy) such that he takes at least 55% (up from 44%) of delegates in ALL future primaries, there will be a contested Republican convention. All delegate counts will be set to zero and the Republican candidate will be selected by a fist fight. Can any of our American cousins explain what actually will happen?

We're talking the 2nd Amendment crowd here so it'll be a shootout rather than a fistfight. Fistfights are for Democrats.

2500 delegates total in Cleveland so it'll be an historic firepower jamboree. Make the Chicago St Valentine's Day Massacre look like an Al Capone distraction.

Regardless, as Republican and John McCain 2008 chief strategist Steve Schmidt pointed out today somewhere on television....

Mitt Romney on March 16, 2012 had 57% of the delegates he needed to win the nomination, which he of course did do.

Today Donald Trump has 46% of the delegates he needs to win and Romney was always considered by everyone to be a weak candidate. Yet there are a large number of Republicans and other politicos who consider Trump to be the awesome king kong candidate. Lotsa image making going on by Trump himself from his day one back in June-July has created the loose impression.

So Kasich winning Ohio yesterday was very big. Rubio tanking yesterday was also very big cause it was his welcomed exit.

Governor R Scott Walker in Wisconsin is endeavoring to deliver his state's party voters to Kasich. Arnold the Governator who's endorsed Kasich is working to gather up votes for K in California to get Kasich a respectable showing and thus delegates, and to further deny Trump. Arnold is using his total celebrity to work other states too.

Arnold is being joined in California by former governor R Pete Wilson who's still a Republican party powerhouse there from back in the shadows.

New Jersey former Gov and R centrist Christine Todd Whitman who's already said she'd never vote for Trump in the general and who continues to have a ton of R party clout in New Jersey is working the state party there, not for the win, but to get Kasich enough votes to help him get delegates and thereby to limit Trump. A lotta Jersey R's are ticked at Gov Chris Christie for smooching up to Trump who is gonna win NJ.

All of this and more is admittedly a tall order for a political party that can't organise a three-car mission of moderate-right Republicans to the polling stations, but it is true nonetheless that the final push is on by the Institutional Republican Party to keep Trump below the magic number going in to the Convention.

Gonna be hard for these cross-eyed Republicans to keep their eye on the ball.

Especially if they're gonna keep shifting the goalposts

[Pinot]

Can Ryan run third party and keep his republican house seat.

The GOP insiders can manipulated the convention and get Ryan nominated as the GOP candidate. Watch out for the sparks if they nominate someone who hasn't even bothered to run. What a travesty, trampling on the process.

The GOP does have time and money on their side. They basically have 4 months to flood the TV with nastyAds. They also have the benefit of the Soro's element & DNC doing the same in tandem. They can also fabricate scandals, etc. They don't have to be true. They just need to create doubt. They could make it look like a mercy killing by July. If Trump gets the nomination, he will have a 24/7 $hltstorm swirling around him from July until November. If the GOP has to nominate him, they would probably sabotage his general campaign preferring Clinton and the thinking that she will not rock the status quo that has carried them...and her.... this far

"They also have the benefit of the Soro's element & DNC doing the same in tandem."

Ridiculous. The Democrats don't care who they get. They would welcome the Donald as an opponent. Soros pays no role here except as the Fox News appointed bogeyman, the "Soro"s element " doesn't exist. Why would anyone waste a dollar fabricating Republican scandals when they do such an excellent job all by themselves?

There isn't an electable Republican candidate.

[NeverSure]

Can Ryan run third party and keep his republican house seat.

The GOP insiders can manipulated the convention and get Ryan nominated as the GOP candidate. Watch out for the sparks if they nominate someone who hasn't even bothered to run. What a travesty, trampling on the process.

The GOP does have time and money on their side. They basically have 4 months to flood the TV with nastyAds. They also have the benefit of the Soro's element & DNC doing the same in tandem. They can also fabricate scandals, etc. They don't have to be true. They just need to create doubt. They could make it look like a mercy killing by July. If Trump gets the nomination, he will have a 24/7 $hltstorm swirling around him from July until November. If the GOP has to nominate him, they would probably sabotage his general campaign preferring Clinton and the thinking that she will not rock the status quo that has carried them...and her.... this far

True. However Hillary hasn't even begun to feel the shit storm that Trump would bring to her. She's incredibly vulnerable.

[NovaBlue05]

Can Ryan run third party and keep his republican house seat.

The GOP insiders can manipulated the convention and get Ryan nominated as the GOP candidate. Watch out for the sparks if they nominate someone who hasn't even bothered to run. What a travesty, trampling on the process.

The GOP does have time and money on their side. They basically have 4 months to flood the TV with nastyAds. They also have the benefit of the Soro's element & DNC doing the same in tandem. They can also fabricate scandals, etc. They don't have to be true. They just need to create doubt. They could make it look like a mercy killing by July. If Trump gets the nomination, he will have a 24/7 $hltstorm swirling around him from July until November. If the GOP has to nominate him, they would probably sabotage his general campaign preferring Clinton and the thinking that she will not rock the status quo that has carried them...and her.... this far

True. However Hillary hasn't even begun to feel the shit storm that Trump would bring to her. She's incredibly vulnerable.

Clinton will have a lot of helpers so Trump will have to be a one man show. I can see her getting in a bind during a debate and the moderator, in the tradition of Candy Crowley /2012, injecting themselves to lend assistance.

[bamukloy]

OP: "World considers a Trump presidency, and many shudder."

As in, "Who gives a shit about "what the world thinks?" It ain't their country.

Cheers.

I do hear this refrain often from you and other conservatives on this forum and everywhere. Normally, and in past days, that would be true. Unless your guy builds walls against Mexico, China, and other places, the U.S. will never return to the blissfully innocent days of isolationism.

Like it or not, we are the sole surviving superpower (though looking in the rear-view mirror at China approaching), and with that status goes global impact of all we do. Hence, it is "their" country too in a way.

First, we aren't looking in the rear view mirror at China. It is collapsing.

Second, we not only have a right but a responsibility to Americans to control immigration. If it takes a wall, so be it.

As for isolationism, we can't keep giving the store to China and Mexico and hope to survive. They don't reciprocate and it's not an even field. There is no excuse for allowing any other country to get rich off the backs of unemployed Americans. They don't play fair. Even Thailand exports a lot to the US duty free, but anything going into Thailand gets hit with a big protective duty.

We are suckers.

Cheers.

That all sounds well and good...except, what is your and Trump's plan to bring back rusty industry (in an age of technology), and how do you plan to pay those blue collar workers $20/hr., instead of $3.50/hr or less. Do you and others really think Americans will be weaving shirts on looms and rebuilding the rust belt? Yeah, I know, we will retool and retrain. That doesn't cut it against the guy in India or China who is better educated, better motivated and will work for a fraction of the cost, and in a country that still has a steel industry.

With the added issue of robotics taking over human manual labour, i dont see how anyone can predict or ensure a good future for labour markets.

Trump foremost is a business man, and business men have always prioritised on cutting down labour and labour costs.

Americans are being duped YET again by the big end of town.

While everyone is frothing at the mouth over the Trump issue, the real issues are being conveniently shielded from public scrutiny.

Household debt, Climate change, fracking, fossil fuels, useless wars to fill rich pockets, robotics and technology edging out human labour. On it goes.

One poster even calls USA the richest nation in the world..huh!!??

BTW what did ever happen to the debt ceiling issue? Hmm

All forgotten. If ignorance is what they want...well...

[boomerangutang]

It is a circus !

Yes, but a Circus comes to town, erects a bigtop tent, does its performance, then departs - leaving perhaps a few piles of elephant dung. Trump, if elected, would be in power four years unless impeached. That's a lot of time to make major messes for America. He'll leave behind a lot more than elephant dung.

True. However Hillary hasn't even begun to feel the shit storm that Trump would bring to her. She's incredibly vulnerable.

Clinton will have a lot of helpers so Trump will have to be a one man show. I can see her getting in a bind during a debate and the moderator, in the tradition of Candy Crowley /2012, injecting themselves to lend assistance.

Hillary is tougher than eight inch nails if she needs to be. Plus she can think on her feet. Trump is neither.

Hillary got grilled for 15 hours by hostile congressmen and was cool and collected throughout.

Trump gets an insinuation tossed his way, and he instantly gets red-faced blustering offended and angry. And just as quickly starts shouting and name calling like a 5 yr old brat.

That's not the sort of person I (nor the majority of Americans) want with his finger on the most powerful arsenal the world has ever known.

If he waves a fist in Hillary's face, it wouldn't surprise me.

[metisdead]

A post containing an aberrant misspelling of Trump's name has been removed.

[lannarebirth]

A post containing an aberrant misspelling of Trump's name has been removed.

Somebody couldn't spell Trump right? Maybe they should bring back the literacy test for voting?

Edited March 17, 2016 by lannarebirth

[Pinot]

Can Ryan run third party and keep his republican house seat.

The GOP insiders can manipulated the convention and get Ryan nominated as the GOP candidate. Watch out for the sparks if they nominate someone who hasn't even bothered to run. What a travesty, trampling on the process.

The GOP does have time and money on their side. They basically have 4 months to flood the TV with nastyAds. They also have the benefit of the Soro's element & DNC doing the same in tandem. They can also fabricate scandals, etc. They don't have to be true. They just need to create doubt. They could make it look like a mercy killing by July. If Trump gets the nomination, he will have a 24/7 $hltstorm swirling around him from July until November. If the GOP has to nominate him, they would probably sabotage his general campaign preferring Clinton and the thinking that she will not rock the status quo that has carried them...and her.... this far

True. However Hillary hasn't even begun to feel the shit storm that Trump would bring to her. She's incredibly vulnerable.

Come on, HRC has been vetted more than any other candidate, ever. There is nothing there. No Benghazi, no email server, no Vince Foster...nothing.

Trump's the new guy on the block with a long history of shady deals, Trump University et al.

At this point no one believes the manufactured Fox News indictments of Hillary except the wingnuts. They eat up the Hillary conspiracy bullshit. They can't get enough.

Nothing to see here folks, move along.

Edited March 17, 2016 by Pinot

[chuckd]

Deny, deny, deny.

The Democratic party defense against scandals.

[Jingthing]

Deny, deny, deny.

The Democratic party defense against scandals.

Not claiming HRC is super clean

Just that compared to Trump as commander in chief she clearly is the way better choice. Prepare to be Goldwatered Trumpeters.

[keemapoot]

Somebody posted this bombshell just out of the Economist Intelligence Unit on another thread:

Trump becoming U.S. President is placed as the sixth-greatest threat to global stability by the EIU in its forecast for April. According to the report, the Republican candidate’s hostility towards free trade and his labeling of China as a “currency manipulator” means that his election could result in a “trade war” and the scuppering of the Trans-Pacific Partnership —an ambitious agreement signed by 12 countries, including the U.S. and Mexico.

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-presidency-more-dangerous-brexit-report-437680

Newsweek, NBC, VOA and all majors are running with this. Hopefully if there are any thinking people among his supporters they will start to pay attention to what the world is saying.

[Jingthing]

Too risky. Must reject. Nominating the Trump turkey may turn out to be the biggest gift to the democratic party ever. Go Trump. Suckers!!!!!

[Usernames]

Somebody posted this bombshell just out of the Economist Intelligence Unit on another thread:

Trump becoming U.S. President is placed as the sixth-greatest threat to global stability by the EIU in its forecast for April. According to the report, the Republican candidate’s hostility towards free trade and his labeling of China as a “currency manipulator” means that his election could result in a “trade war” and the scuppering of the Trans-Pacific Partnership —an ambitious agreement signed by 12 countries, including the U.S. and Mexico.

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-presidency-more-dangerous-brexit-report-437680

Newsweek, NBC, VOA and all majors are running with this. Hopefully if there are any thinking people among his supporters they will start to pay attention to what the world is saying.

Yea, because some British magazine that wants to outsource American jobs and lower salaries in the US is going to convince the US electorate.

[keemapoot]

Somebody posted this bombshell just out of the Economist Intelligence Unit on another thread:

Trump becoming U.S. President is placed as the sixth-greatest threat to global stability by the EIU in its forecast for April. According to the report, the Republican candidate’s hostility towards free trade and his labeling of China as a “currency manipulator” means that his election could result in a “trade war” and the scuppering of the Trans-Pacific Partnership —an ambitious agreement signed by 12 countries, including the U.S. and Mexico.

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-presidency-more-dangerous-brexit-report-437680

Newsweek, NBC, VOA and all majors are running with this. Hopefully if there are any thinking people among his supporters they will start to pay attention to what the world is saying.

Yea, because some British magazine that wants to outsource American jobs and lower salaries in the US is going to convince the US electorate.

I'm sure you are correct that Trump supporters don't have a clue and really understand the importance to Americans and Asians of trade pacts like the TPP. They also do not understand that evil China (that Trump demonizes) is not a signatory to the TPP right, and that it benefits a whole host of friends, like Japan, Singapore etc..

Perfect. more more misplaced anger and just plain ignorance by Trump supporters.

**BTW, both Republican and Democratic leaders of Congress and Senate support the TPP.

Edited March 17, 2016 by keemapoot

[Usernames]

^^^

The Economist is the Reader's Digest of the financial press.

[keemapoot]

^^^

The Economist is the Reader's Digest of the financial press.

Whatever you're drinking...pour yourself another.

[Scott]

Inflammatory post removed.

[stillbornagain]

Well, according to the National Review and Charles Krauthammer it's dead on arrival. That from one of FOX's leading "thinkers". Krauthammer is one of the very, very few conservatives still actively employing something vaguely akin to the actual thought process. No, the wall won't be built. Mostly because it is a mindlessly stupid idea, is virtually impossible to implement, would cost vastly more than Gerbil Head is "guesstimating", and no, the Mexicans won't pay for it. As long as shovels are still being sold in Mexico, the idea is about as stupid as can be conceived. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422864/donald-trump-deportation-republicans

I'm not sure how Krauthammer continues to enjoy some sort decent reputation outside of hardcore right wing circles. The man is dishonest, hypocritical, and often massively wrong.

[chuckd]

Well, according to the National Review and Charles Krauthammer it's dead on arrival. That from one of FOX's leading "thinkers". Krauthammer is one of the very, very few conservatives still actively employing something vaguely akin to the actual thought process. No, the wall won't be built. Mostly because it is a mindlessly stupid idea, is virtually impossible to implement, would cost vastly more than Gerbil Head is "guesstimating", and no, the Mexicans won't pay for it. As long as shovels are still being sold in Mexico, the idea is about as stupid as can be conceived. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422864/donald-trump-deportation-republicans

I'm not sure how Krauthammer continues to enjoy some sort decent reputation outside of hardcore right wing circles. The man is dishonest, hypocritical, and often massively wrong.

Its all a matter of political perspective.

For instance, there are people out there that still believe Obama is a good President and Hillary Clinton is honest and would make a good President..

[bamukloy]

Somebody posted this bombshell just out of the Economist Intelligence Unit on another thread:

Trump becoming U.S. President is placed as the sixth-greatest threat to global stability by the EIU in its forecast for April. According to the report, the Republican candidates hostility towards free trade and his labeling of China as a currency manipulator means that his election could result in a trade war and the scuppering of the Trans-Pacific Partnership an ambitious agreement signed by 12 countries, including the U.S. and Mexico.

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-presidency-more-dangerous-brexit-report-437680

Newsweek, NBC, VOA and all majors are running with this. Hopefully if there are any thinking people among his supporters they will start to pay attention to what the world is saying.

Yea, because some British magazine that wants to outsource American jobs and lower salaries in the US is going to convince the US electorate.

I'm sure you are correct that Trump supporters don't have a clue and really understand the importance to Americans and Asians of trade pacts like the TPP. They also do not understand that evil China (that Trump demonizes) is not a signatory to the TPP right, and that it benefits a whole host of friends, like Japan, Singapore etc..

Perfect. more more misplaced anger and just plain ignorance by Trump supporters.

**BTW, both Republican and Democratic leaders of Congress and Senate support the TPP.

no problem forTrump, he will start his own TPP

Trump

Presidential

Pretender

[pitrevie]

Well, according to the National Review and Charles Krauthammer it's dead on arrival. That from one of FOX's leading "thinkers". Krauthammer is one of the very, very few conservatives still actively employing something vaguely akin to the actual thought process. No, the wall won't be built. Mostly because it is a mindlessly stupid idea, is virtually impossible to implement, would cost vastly more than Gerbil Head is "guesstimating", and no, the Mexicans won't pay for it. As long as shovels are still being sold in Mexico, the idea is about as stupid as can be conceived. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422864/donald-trump-deportation-republicans

I'm not sure how Krauthammer continues to enjoy some sort decent reputation outside of hardcore right wing circles. The man is dishonest, hypocritical, and often massively wrong.

100% wrong on Iraq but he is now spewing out the same drivel on Iran.

[thaibeachlovers]

I don't - saying Trump is "using the same methods" as Hitler and Mussolini is not implying that he is of equivalent moral evil, or that he will build concentration camps.

It is saying he uses appeals to lowest common denominator fears and the definition of certain groups in society as enemies to be feared and combated as a way of accumulating and mobilising support.

He clearly IS doing this, and his inflammatory statements, in their crassness and immaturity, go far beyond any accepted standards of political discussion and into the area of wild extremism.

He is too stupid to be Hitler, but he works the same way.

Oh, give me a break. All western politicians appeal to the lowest common denominator as they attempt to bribe themselves into power.

It really PO me that those that vilify Trump imply that their favoured candidate is perfection personified, while the opposite is usually true, and in the case of HRC is definitely true. While Trump may be bombastic and an entertainer, rather than a politician, IMO HRC is the embodiment of a sleaze politician, sold to whoever pays her enough.

In NZ it seems that people have accepted that Trump might be the GOP candidate, but are now reduced to asking which candidate is likely to do the least damage, between him and HRC.

What a crock, wanting a ( IMO ) corrupt liar to be president, simply because she is less likely to try something new than the Donald. The world has been taken over by small minded, timid people. I guess they will get the president they deserve

Meanwhile, loser Kasich is saying that the candidate will be determined at convention. If the back room boyz do indeed steal the election from Trump, expect an uproar like you've never seen before, and the possible implosion of the GOP.

I've been off the grid for a couple of weeks, so just catching up.

[thaibeachlovers]

Like trying to deport 10 million Latinos, ripping them out of their homes and families, and start a race war? Can't wait!

Mexican Ex-Presidente Fox is right in saying he's an American Hitler. Help us stop this madness!

Are you referring to the over "10 million illegal immigrants" from Mexico and Central America that the current administration has allowed to stay in the US. If there is a race war it will be because Obama has fanned the flames with his stance on black lives matter.

Not sure if it's unworkable but I am more concerned with the drug cartels and the porous border infecting the youth of America than looking politically correct. I would not be against Mexican immigrants being processed properly through access points in the wall if there is one built. You can tell me if you think that is unreasonable.

Well, according to the National Review and Charles Krauthammer it's dead on arrival. That from one of FOX's leading "thinkers". Krauthammer is one of the very, very few conservatives still actively employing something vaguely akin to the actual thought process. No, the wall won't be built. Mostly because it is a mindlessly stupid idea, is virtually impossible to implement, would cost vastly more than Gerbil Head is "guesstimating", and no, the Mexicans won't pay for it. As long as shovels are still being sold in Mexico, the idea is about as stupid as can be conceived. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422864/donald-trump-deportation-republicans

I haven't been up to date on what sort of wall trump is meaning, but a razor wire fence backed up with enough guards would work and wouldn't cost as much as the figures being bandied about.

The alternative to doing something to stop the influx is to accept that America will have criminals and terrorists arriving and in that case the citizens will get the results they deserve in crime and terror.

Surely, even the loony left can see what is happening in Euroland, with the bombing in Brussels?

[Pinot]

Well, according to the National Review and Charles Krauthammer it's dead on arrival. That from one of FOX's leading "thinkers". Krauthammer is one of the very, very few conservatives still actively employing something vaguely akin to the actual thought process. No, the wall won't be built. Mostly because it is a mindlessly stupid idea, is virtually impossible to implement, would cost vastly more than Gerbil Head is "guesstimating", and no, the Mexicans won't pay for it. As long as shovels are still being sold in Mexico, the idea is about as stupid as can be conceived. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422864/donald-trump-deportation-republicans

I'm not sure how Krauthammer continues to enjoy some sort decent reputation outside of hardcore right wing circles. The man is dishonest, hypocritical, and often massively wrong.

Its all a matter of political perspective.

For instance, there are people out there that still believe Obama is a good President and Hillary Clinton is honest and would make a good President..

The popularity of Obama and Hillary is unfathomable to Fox News/Right wing media echo chamber fanboys. If you get nothing but a feed of how evil Obama and Hillary are, you start accepting it as the truth. It's the Benghazi/Obamacare syndrome.

Fox News created this Trump Frankenstein. Now there is now way to stop the monster. Sending Cruz in to save the Republican party is like trying to stop herpes with hepatitis. The Republicans are facing a disaster in November. The hatred and the soul killing political policies isn't going to fly. Americans are sick of the irrational fear and lies the Republicans are peddling. The wingnut base of the Republican party is going to the death of the GOP and it is, oh so deserved.

So keep the Hillary and Obama lies coming. I know how soothing it is to hear the lies repeated daily here among the TV teabaggers. I just don't know how the Republican party will be handle the utter beat down coming in November?

I almost feel sorry for the Republicans. Almost.

[KC 71]

Does anyone think hes gonna get clipped ?

[lannarebirth]

Does anyone think hes gonna get clipped ?

Who is served? Too late for the Republicans and he's the savior of the Democats. He's the only impetus for a Democrat to even vote in the presidential election.

[Linzz]

The popularity of Obama and Hillary is unfathomable to Fox News/Right wing media echo chamber fanboys. If you get nothing but a feed of how evil Obama and Hillary are, you start accepting it as the truth. It's the Benghazi/Obamacare syndrome.

Fox News created this Trump Frankenstein. Now there is now way to stop the monster. Sending Cruz in to save the Republican party is like trying to stop herpes with hepatitis. The Republicans are facing a disaster in November. The hatred and the soul killing political policies isn't going to fly. Americans are sick of the irrational fear and lies the Republicans are peddling. The wingnut base of the Republican party is going to the death of the GOP and it is, oh so deserved.

So keep the Hillary and Obama lies coming. I know how soothing it is to hear the lies repeated daily here among the TV teabaggers. I just don't know how the Republican party will be handle the utter beat down coming in November?

I almost feel sorry for the Republicans. Almost.

Again you present only one side of the picture in your obsession with Hillary. Americans are sick of both sides and what they are peddling, that's why you have Trump and even perhaps a third party around him if he is frozen out by the GOP politicos

Edit: Oh and your obsession with Fox News

Edited March 23, 2016 by Linzz