Getting married on overstay?

[shunter]

In view of the fact that both parties claim to be German and American nationals you have no need to go to the Amphur or to even get married here.

Perhaps it is a topic originating from those Scandinavian creatures that live under bridges and prey on passers by

https://youtu.be/SaoxI1DO6Sk

[overherebc]

Thanks for advice, why wouldn't they let to pay 20K penalty at border by crossing by land (before March 20 of course), get stamp, get married in Thailand and move to States for good?

Please stop kidding yourself. You are heading for a world of hurt if you do as you say.

At the moment in Thailand you will come across many in officialdom who are not aware that the new penalties start on the 20th. As to land crossings many of them are OK with a week or so overstay, any longer and you risk being turned back or worse. You will not be able to fall on the 'we are two foreigners who don't understand the rules ploy'.

They don't care nor should they. Don't believe any of your Thai friends who tell you different, ie, if you are a married couple they won't separate you etc.

They will because it doesn't matter to them who or what you are.

You appear to be ignoring good advise from a few people on here at your peril.

It's Thailand, not USA or Europe.

Once you are inside IDC no-one will help you, not your Embassy for sure. If you have broken a law that's the way they see it as well as the Thai authorities. You will be there until they decide on a court date and then you will be back inside until you have a ticket to your own country, not a neighboring country.

Believe me, I've been there.

[ubonjoe]

I don't think there will be any problem at the Amphoe The only part of the passport they will be interested in is the photo page for identification purposes.

[mesterm]

If there is a shortage of money now how will he get extensions on the necessary visa to stay on in the future ?

We prepared this 20K for his overstay fees and move to States for good before March 20, because we don't want to stay and work in Thailand anymore, we're both foreigners.

Why not?

[realenglish1]

As much as I am sure you love each other The risk is too high on getting arrested on overstay

[sunnyjim5]

I don't think there will be any problem at the Amphoe The only part of the passport they will be interested in is the photo page for identification purposes.

I think that would very much depend. on the Amphur. When I got married copies of my passport data page, visa and extension of stay were required.

The copies were checked against the relevant passport pages.

[huaikhwang]

I don't think there will be any problem at the Amphoe The only part of the passport they will be interested in is the photo page for identification purposes.

I think that would very much depend. on the Amphur. When I got married copies of my passport data page, visa and extension of stay were required.

The copies were checked against the relevant passport pages.

That's very helpful. I got the idea.

[overherebc]

I don't think there will be any problem at the Amphoe The only part of the passport they will be interested in is the photo page for identification purposes.

I was asked for my landing card in Bangkok.

Some do ask some do not, would it be worthwhile taking the risk.

Simple to fly out, clear overstay, get a visa, fly back get married.

An extra two days will make no difference to anything.

[smotherb]

What a great way to get out of a Thai marriage--gee dear, I overstayed and cannot come back.

[gandalf12]

Read all the posts but I dont understand why you would want to get married as you would if one of you was a Thai. Surely if you intend to live in the USA then the America would be the obvious choice or Germany.

There seems more to this than is being told

[huaikhwang]

Read all the posts but I dont understand why you would want to get married as you would if one of you was a Thai. Surely if you intend to live in the USA then the America would be the obvious choice or Germany

Why you think that only thai or thai/foreigner couples should get married in Thailand this way? This is wrong. Two foreigners have right to get married in Thailand too. We volunteered and worked here in Thailand for many years, we met here, we will proceed with the immigration to USA asap after marriage registration. We are short in time. We studied all the pro in cons what is best for our case very carefully. We need to get married here is the conclusion and final decition. What is your point?

[overherebc]

Read all the posts but I dont understand why you would want to get married as you would if one of you was a Thai. Surely if you intend to live in the USA then the America would be the obvious choice or Germany.

There seems more to this than is being told

Could be. The OP should also check if an Apostile is required from the area in USA they intend going to as a couple married outside USA. Could take weeks to sort out.

[MyFriend You]

We are aware of all that, it doesn't answer my question tho..I only understood that I can't clear overstay other than leaving country

Okay we can all play that game - what exactly is your question?? - they will certainly need to see his passport and Visa, so th answer is NO, get legal, then get married.

[henry15]

Some like to live dangerously. I have the feeling theire is an Somnsmnaa story in the make.

[blackcab]

I don't think there will be any problem at the Amphoe The only part of the passport they will be interested in is the photo page for identification purposes.

I don't think the Amphur will marry them. I got married in Sathorn District and they required a copy of my visa, extension of stay and my TM7. My date of entry and my permission to stay dates were recorded on our Khor Ror 2 that we had to sign on the day of our wedding.

The district office must know if you are on overstay as a result of this.

I have attached the translation of the relevant section of my Khor Ror 2 below:

[Autonuaq]

Beside all the things i not undrrstsnd nartied can be done wuick.

Then you run into the kast problem.

You beed the documents have transkated and legalized to be able to regster marriage in home country.

And the overstay can make that the marriage illegal.

And thernefor will not be recognized.

Not underdrand all the trouble AND change to get arrested and senticed in the home country of your future oartner too.

Funny situation.

You not able to enter his country and possiblr banned 10 years or for life due to the illegal marriage.

He banned for 1 year or longer in thailand.

Really smart ....

[Autonuaq]

Beside all the things i not undrrstsnd nartied can be done wuick.

Then you run into the kast problem.

You beed the documents have transkated and legalized to be able to regster marriage in home country.

And the overstay can make that the marriage illegal.

And thernefor will not be recognized.

Not underdrand all the trouble AND change to get arrested and senticed in the home country of your future oartner too.

Funny situation.

You not able to enter his country and possiblr banned 10 years or for life due to the illegal marriage.

He banned for 1 year or longer in thailand.

Really smart ....

[Saenchai]

I'm from Germany too and they wanted to see my immigration card (bkk). Well, they didn't ask for it but studied it carefully when looking at passport.

[Maestro]

Removed an off-topic post.

[tomacht8]

Best way is to fly out and clear the overstay before dealing with thai officials in any case.
Many offices also want to see the last visa stamp and also on the passport copies.
I have just experienced this in the traffic office during my driving license renewal.
Also on the registration cards of the hotels the Visa data and the departure card number are often added.
Why to take such a risk?
As a german you have many possibilities to marry.
Make a stop in Denmark.
There you can merry in one day.
Is around 300 Euros.

[gandalf12]

Read all the posts but I dont understand why you would want to get married as you would if one of you was a Thai. Surely if you intend to live in the USA then the America would be the obvious choice or Germany

Why you think that only thai or thai/foreigner couples should get married in Thailand this way? This is wrong. Two foreigners have right to get married in Thailand too. We volunteered and worked here in Thailand for many years, we met here, we will proceed with the immigration to USA asap after marriage registration. We are short in time. We studied all the pro in cons what is best for our case very carefully. We need to get married here is the conclusion and final decition. What is your point?

I dont but as the OP says they intend to go to the USA to settle down in a month or so time. There seems to be something that is not being told to make the marriage such an urgent issue. I think even you can understand that or maybe you can not. If you need ny further clarification please feel free to learn English comprehension.

[lopburi3]

It appears the rush is to use below DCF while still employed in Thailand (to qualify) and perhaps with an income (future plans unknown). This normally provides a shorter queue/processing time.

Direct Consular Filing (DCF) is a process related to immigration to the United States whereby Form I-130 (Petition for Alien Relative), I-360 (Petition for Amerasian, Widow(er), or Special Immigrant), or I-600 (Petition to Classify Orphan as an Immediate Relative), is filed with a United States embassy or consulate

[Absolut]

You have already got affirmation of freedom to marry MFA approval.

Well then why the hell are you bothering to ask the question, sounds a bit stupid to me.

Also marraige aint gonna last long if he no money. Remember !! no money no honey !!

Really? Not all marriages are based solely on a persons ability to pay for his wife.

[thaihome]

It appears the rush is to use below DCF while still employed in Thailand (to qualify) and perhaps with an income (future plans unknown). This normally provides a shorter queue/processing time.

Direct Consular Filing (DCF) is a process related to immigration to the United States whereby Form I-130 (Petition for Alien Relative), I-360 (Petition for Amerasian, Widow(er), or Special Immigrant), or I-600 (Petition to Classify Orphan as an Immediate Relative), is filed with a United States embassy or consulate

I think you are on to something, but no DCF in Bangkok (or anywhere else I believe), have to file at USCIS office accross the street. They require proof of residence in Thailand to file.

Not sure how that will work if the non US spouse is not a Thai, and I suspect is the one on overstay.

The whole scenario is fishy.

TH

[jacksam]

Thanks for advice, why wouldn't they let to pay 20K penalty at border by crossing by land (before March 20 of course), get stamp, get married in Thailand and move to States for good?

First of all you can clear overstay at border somewhere like NK then obtain setv at Vientiane.

Mind you , you can be checked on way to boarder and arrested.

You have been given good advice but seem to be determined to take the stupid route. Anyone for example could fly to say Penang today, clear overstay and back with setv. Easy peasy all done all legal. Something you seem wishing to avoid simple solution and make it difficult.

[lopburi3]

It appears the rush is to use below DCF while still employed in Thailand (to qualify) and perhaps with an income (future plans unknown). This normally provides a shorter queue/processing time.

Direct Consular Filing (DCF) is a process related to immigration to the United States whereby Form I-130 (Petition for Alien Relative), I-360 (Petition for Amerasian, Widow(er), or Special Immigrant), or I-600 (Petition to Classify Orphan as an Immediate Relative), is filed with a United States embassy or consulate

I think you are on to something, but no DCF in Bangkok (or anywhere else I believe), have to file at USCIS office accross the street. They require proof of residence in Thailand to file.

Not sure how that will work if the non US spouse is not a Thai, and I suspect is the one on overstay.

The whole scenario is fishy.

TH

Knew is was nest door 20 years ago when I tried and was refused service by a part time employee due to a 2 week visit to USA to visit parents so obviously not a Thailand resident. Was not a happy camper. But US filing only took a few months and by that time decided would rather not move so probably was a good thing. With change to Homeland Security not sure of current names/procedures - but yes that is what I was referring to.

[thaihome]

Knew is was nest door 20 years ago when I tried and was refused service by a part time employee due to a 2 week visit to USA to visit parents so obviously not a Thailand resident. Was not a happy camper. But US filing only took a few months and by that time decided would rather not move so probably was a good thing. With change to Homeland Security not sure of current names/procedures - but yes that is what I was referring to.

Yep, years ago when they quit doing DCF's at consulate and setup the USCIS office (2003?) there was middle aged Thai women that took her gatekeeper role very seriously ? The two people I know that file I-130's during that time exchanged emails with director before turning in paperwork. Made a huge difference.

Still a bit curious about the OP. Either a troll or there is some other agenda.

TH

[jacksam]

Am I missing something. All this talk about wedding bells. Fact is today Nov 8. Has what about 10 days to get overstay sorted.

Talk about can't see the forest for the trees.

An arrest and ban may not sit so well with usa. Nor should it. Can lead a horse to water.......

[jacksam]

Yes thaihome, I agree with you. Fishing line....sad because most people are genuine when they try and help.