Speeding charge to be pressed on Mercedes Benz driver in fatal crash

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Speeding charge to be pressed on Mercedes Benz driver in fatal crash



AYUTTHAYA: -- Ayutthaya provincial police investigating the March 13 fatal crash that engaged a Mercedes-Benz and a Ford Fiesta and killed two post graduate students will file two more charges against the driver of the luxury car.

The two charges are speeding and driving without regard to safety causing death.

The additional charges are to be pressed on Janepob Veeraporn, 37, driver of the Mercedes Benz, after police forensic experts looked through CCTV footages on the expressway from Rama IV toll gate to the crash site in Bangpa-in district of Ayutthaya province, covering a distance of 52.1km.

The black Mercedes Benz was seen on CCTV crashing through the toll gate, and 25 minutes later was in Bang Pa-in where it crashed at the rear of the Ford which burst in flames killing a male and female post graduate students of Mahachulalongkornrajavidyalaya University’s Faculty of Buddhism.

Calculation of the distance and the time spent, it was proved that Janepob drove at the speed of between 217-257 kilometres per hour, said deputy commissioner of the Royal Thai Police Pol Gen Pongsapat Pongcharoen at a press conference to report new development of the fatal crash case.

Mr Janepob sustained a knee injury during the crash but Thanthaphat Horsaengchai, 34, and Kritsana Thaworn, 32, died in the flaming Ford Fiesta.

Janepob was sent to Bang Pa-in hospital where he reportedly refused to give a blood sample for drug and alcohol tests.

Police later said if a driver refuses to take a test for alcohol, he or she is presumed to have been drinking.

Initially Janepob was charged with reckless driving causing death and drink-driving causing death.

But after the speed test, two other charges will be pressed on him today, Pol Gen Pongsapat said.

The first police team investigating the case is now facing investigation if it intends to assist the driver of the luxury car for delay in having him booked on drink driving charge which later trigger public outcry over the handling of the case with discrimination.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/content/157506

-- Thai PBS 2016-03-30

[mrrizzla]

So you will be charging him with DUI too then yes or no?

[Don Mega]

Am I missing something here. Traveling at 100km/h it would take 30 minutes to cover a 50km distance.

He did 52km in 25 minutes..... how was the speed between 217 and 257km/h calculated ?

[ezzra]

The relatives of the dead should sue his ass in a civil court for tens of millions of baht, that will hurt him a

hell of a lot more than a speeding and reckless driving charges which carry fines and no jail time....

[billd766]

Am I missing something here. Traveling at 100km/h it would take 30 minutes to cover a 50km distance.

He did 52km in 25 minutes..... how was the speed between 217 and 257km/h calculated ?

If you divide 60 minutes by 25 that comes to 2.4. Multiply that by 52.1 km and you get 125.04 kph and not the 217 to 257 kph.

[robblok]

Am I missing something here. Traveling at 100km/h it would take 30 minutes to cover a 50km distance.

He did 52km in 25 minutes..... how was the speed between 217 and 257km/h calculated ?

Good question.. but he could have gone slower at certain parts and faster at others. It depends of course on the amount of measuring points. Nobody said he drove a constant speed.

If only 2 points were measured then sure.. your 100% right. But without knowing more we really can't say much.

[WitawatWatawit]

Am I missing something here. Traveling at 100km/h it would take 30 minutes to cover a 50km distance.

He did 52km in 25 minutes..... how was the speed between 217 and 257km/h calculated ?

Don't worry your pretty little head about it. The charge will become irrelevant in 11 months and 2 weeks.

[scorecard]

1. 'Are going to charge' / 'will charge'.

When when when are we going to see a specific news item stating clearly: 'has been charged' and specific details of the charges and 'held' or

'bailed' or whatever, and 'passport confiscated' and the opening date of the hearings?

2. When are we going to hear a specific news item about the result of the investigation of the initial police team?

Edited March 30, 2016 by scorecard

[Gsxrnz]

Am I missing something here. Traveling at 100km/h it would take 30 minutes to cover a 50km distance.

He did 52km in 25 minutes..... how was the speed between 217 and 257km/h calculated ?

Good question.. but he could have gone slower at certain parts and faster at others. It depends of course on the amount of measuring points. Nobody said he drove a constant speed.

If only 2 points were measured then sure.. your 100% right. But without knowing more we really can't say much.

Stopped for a Macker's perhaps?

[worgeordie]

Crashed through a toll gate,defense will most likely be "I was been chased by ghosts",

a believable defense in Thailand I would think,and how do these Rich drivers that cause

these crashes,never end up dead,while the good die young.

regards worgeordie

[ldiablo]

The worst lawyer on the planet could beat that charge based on their ridiculous Thai math.

Possibly what they want.

Edited March 30, 2016 by ldiablo

[colinneil]

As usual police are more interested getting photo taken showing their name and rank.

Than they are interested in getting justice done.

Lets bugger up the investigation so mr hi-so gets off on a technicality.

[steve187]

yes the maths does seem off, but we do not know the exact time/ distance from one incident to the other.

but at 200kmh he would have covered 50 ish kilometres in 15 minutes, if in fact it was 25 minutes, i dont see how a conviction for speeding could be obtained

[NCC1701A]

"The black Mercedes Benz was seen on CCTV crashing through the toll gate, and 25 minutes later was in Bang Pa-in where it crashed at the rear of the Ford which burst in flames killing a male and female post graduate students of Mahachulalongkornrajavidyalaya University’s Faculty of Buddhism.

Calculation of the distance and the time spent, it was proved that Janepob drove at the speed of between 217-257 kilometres per hour, said deputy commissioner of the Royal Thai Police Pol Gen Pongsapat Pongcharoen at a press conference to report new development of the fatal crash case."

I could be wrong, but they might be talking about the time the Mercedes entered the frame of the Dash cam video until it hit the Ford, about one second later. That is a known distance, time and video frame rate.

[deckape]

^^ Six coppers showing up on a news program. 555

Dog and pony show.

[ballpoint]

Try driving from the Rama IV tool booth to Bang Pa-in in 25 minutes, passing through two more toll booths on the way (which I assume he did slow down at, as no record of him crashing into those has been shown). Your average speed may be 125 km/hr (which is still well above the 80km/hr limit on the tollway), but I guarantee your maximum speed will need to be a lot higher than that.

[laolover88]

They are surely confusing km with Yot=16km. You would expect the RTP to use proper Thai distance measurements wouldn't you. Probably have the same bunch of software experts to calibrate the cameras as the RID and Immigration use.

[taony]

The new law is that if you refuse the sobriety test, you are considered DUI. So you should be charged. Why hasn't he been charged with DUI!?!?

The fact that the "officers" at the scene "didn't know" about the new law is irrelevant!

[FATOZ]

The new law is that if you refuse the sobriety test, you are considered DUI. So you should be charged. Why hasn't he been charged with DUI!?!?

The fact that the "officers" at the scene "didn't know" about the new law is irrelevant!

Initially Janepob was charged with reckless driving causing death and drink-driving causing death.

But after the speed test, two other charges will be pressed on him today, Pol Gen Pongsapat said.

[Gweiloman]

"The black Mercedes Benz was seen on CCTV crashing through the toll gate, and 25 minutes later was in Bang Pa-in where it crashed at the rear of the Ford which burst in flames killing a male and female post graduate students of Mahachulalongkornrajavidyalaya University’s Faculty of Buddhism.

Calculation of the distance and the time spent, it was proved that Janepob drove at the speed of between 217-257 kilometres per hour, said deputy commissioner of the Royal Thai Police Pol Gen Pongsapat Pongcharoen at a press conference to report new development of the fatal crash case."

I could be wrong, but they might be talking about the time the Mercedes entered the frame of the Dash cam video until it hit the Ford, about one second later. That is a known distance, time and video frame rate.

You are right. In Thai news, there is a video that showed two markers, from when he first entered the dash cam video and the distance to the Ford. This was calculated at 40 metres. They timed it from this moment until the moment of impact (presumably taking into account that the Ford was also travelling at a certain speed). From this, they worked out the (Thai) maths.

[NCC1701A]

"The black Mercedes Benz was seen on CCTV crashing through the toll gate, and 25 minutes later was in Bang Pa-in where it crashed at the rear of the Ford which burst in flames killing a male and female post graduate students of Mahachulalongkornrajavidyalaya University’s Faculty of Buddhism.

Calculation of the distance and the time spent, it was proved that Janepob drove at the speed of between 217-257 kilometres per hour, said deputy commissioner of the Royal Thai Police Pol Gen Pongsapat Pongcharoen at a press conference to report new development of the fatal crash case."

I could be wrong, but they might be talking about the time the Mercedes entered the frame of the Dash cam video until it hit the Ford, about one second later. That is a known distance, time and video frame rate.

You are right. In Thai news, there is a video that showed two markers, from when he first entered the dash cam video and the distance to the Ford. This was calculated at 40 metres. They timed it from this moment until the moment of impact (presumably taking into account that the Ford was also travelling at a certain speed). From this, they worked out the (Thai) maths.

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thanks for that. do you have a link to that youtube video?

Edited March 30, 2016 by NCC1701A

[Hawk]

Well, the guy is still free, still driving while the cops fart about until the public forget about the guy. If he ever ends up in court and is found guilty, then he will appeal and be out on bail immediately. Another 20 year court case!

[Gweiloman]

"The black Mercedes Benz was seen on CCTV crashing through the toll gate, and 25 minutes later was in Bang Pa-in where it crashed at the rear of the Ford which burst in flames killing a male and female post graduate students of Mahachulalongkornrajavidyalaya University’s Faculty of Buddhism.

Calculation of the distance and the time spent, it was proved that Janepob drove at the speed of between 217-257 kilometres per hour, said deputy commissioner of the Royal Thai Police Pol Gen Pongsapat Pongcharoen at a press conference to report new development of the fatal crash case."

I could be wrong, but they might be talking about the time the Mercedes entered the frame of the Dash cam video until it hit the Ford, about one second later. That is a known distance, time and video frame rate.

You are right. In Thai news, there is a video that showed two markers, from when he first entered the dash cam video and the distance to the Ford. This was calculated at 40 metres. They timed it from this moment until the moment of impact (presumably taking into account that the Ford was also travelling at a certain speed). From this, they worked out the (Thai) maths.

benz.png

thanks for that. do you have a link to that youtube video?

[taony]

The new law is that if you refuse the sobriety test, you are considered DUI. So you should be charged. Why hasn't he been charged with DUI!?!?

The fact that the "officers" at the scene "didn't know" about the new law is irrelevant!

Initially Janepob was charged with reckless driving causing death and drink-driving causing death.

But after the speed test, two other charges will be pressed on him today, Pol Gen Pongsapat said.

That's right, my mistake. Thanks.

[jamesbrock]

"The black Mercedes Benz was seen on CCTV crashing through the toll gate, and 25 minutes later was in Bang Pa-in where it crashed at the rear of the Ford which burst in flames killing a male and female post graduate students of Mahachulalongkornrajavidyalaya University’s Faculty of Buddhism.

Calculation of the distance and the time spent, it was proved that Janepob drove at the speed of between 217-257 kilometres per hour, said deputy commissioner of the Royal Thai Police Pol Gen Pongsapat Pongcharoen at a press conference to report new development of the fatal crash case."

I could be wrong, but they might be talking about the time the Mercedes entered the frame of the Dash cam video until it hit the Ford, about one second later. That is a known distance, time and video frame rate.

You are right. In Thai news, there is a video that showed two markers, from when he first entered the dash cam video and the distance to the Ford. This was calculated at 40 metres. They timed it from this moment until the moment of impact (presumably taking into account that the Ford was also travelling at a certain speed). From this, they worked out the (Thai) maths.

benz.png

Except they're two totally different positions. Look at the location/distance of the overpass...

[jerome2]

Somone who can pay 250% of a benz in tax cannot be charged... it's life ... do you want to pay thai roads?

[thesetat2013]

So they are looking into charging him for speeding... Which can be beat in court if they do the math and see their average speed is ridiculous.... So! What about the deaths of those 2 bright young kids? Will or can he still be charged for his actions resulting in their deaths? Or will he escape punishment for the most serious of all?

[dcnx]

They can throw all the charges they want at him, he will get a suspended sentence, probation and community service if it even makes it to a court room.

Like everything else here, it's all just a show.

[Baerboxer]

They can throw all the charges they want at him, he will get a suspended sentence, probation and community service if it even makes it to a court room.

Like everything else here, it's all just a show.

Yep.

Remember the case of the former senior policeman turned politician whose "friend" was killed when he hit a tree as slow speed, just after mega value shares were transferred to two pretties, one of whom was pregnant? What happened to the police "vows" that justice would be done? And the victims rich hiso family can't even seem to get that progressed.

Or the case of the young Aussie boy badly beaten and severely injured by two rich kid Chinese-American tourists? Even the PM promised his mum justice would be done. Then one of the thugs millionaire dad arrived and has meetings with police, the prosecutors and hey presto, the victim is suddenly charged, the witness who changed her story suddenly before flying back to Kiwi land refuses further comment and seems to be going nowhere.

Where cases involve the rich, regardless of the details of the case, they go round and round but lead nowhere.

[PETERTHEEATER]

Am I missing something here. Traveling at 100km/h it would take 30 minutes to cover a 50km distance.

He did 52km in 25 minutes..... how was the speed between 217 and 257km/h calculated ?

Using an abacus......