JAS21 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 These are not overrated ... and when the polishing is finished it will look good ... apparently not that cheap to maintain though ... I was allowed a little drive ... 'kin hell some motor ...it's a 2007 original high spec example, glass roof - red leather - etc. Even though it now belongs to a good friend he hasn't offered to loan it to me ... yet Very recently purchased ... the plate belongs to the previous owner and has to go back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAS21 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Looks even better now .. after polishing and application of GTECHNIQ Crystal Serum ... That definitely isn't overrated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardokano Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Guinness in the Red Lion, Chiang Mai is the same as Guinness in most pubs in the UK, DELETED I will not argue with you , and never say Guinness is different .. SO... How much did you pay for this 1.2m baht car 120B beer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Guinness in the Red Lion, Chiang Mai is the same as Guinness in most pubs in the UK, DELETED I will not argue with you , and never say Guinness is different .. SO... How much did you pay for this 1.2m baht car 120B beer? Wouldn't a 120b beer cost 120b ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardokano Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 In the USA - (A union of course!) it is a different matter - companies like Toyota and BMW are building cars there as the market is big enough to support a factory and expansion. however at the end of the day ALL these markets are replacement markets and pale into insignificance next to the "equipment" market that is China. BMW have factories there and China accounts for something like 70% of their global sales. how can UK benefit on its own from the Chinese market? well in short it can't - one would be insane to think that the Japanese would use factories in the UK to export to China to any degree - they will simply build in China or nearby. Please before say some think double cheking. The more you write the more errors and false numbers / information. BMW have factories there and China accounts for something like 70% of their global sales ©cumgranosalum Full-year sales up 6.1% to total 2,247,485 2015 was BMW and MINI’s most successful year ever BMW sales increase 5.2% to total 1,905,234 MINI sales achieve 12.0% increase to total 338,466 Around 30,000 BMW i vehicles sold in 2015 Deliveries increased in all major sales regions Almost one million vehicles sold in Europe this is only one of a dozen mistakes that you have written. PS it big offtop.. If you are interested in this debate can create a topic and discuss dozens of errors that you have written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardokano Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Guinness in the Red Lion, Chiang Mai is the same as Guinness in most pubs in the UK, DELETED I will not argue with you , and never say Guinness is different .. SO... How much did you pay for this 1.2m baht car 120B beer? Wouldn't a 120b beer cost 120b ? Wouldn't a 1.2 m b car cost 1.2b ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Guinness in the Red Lion, Chiang Mai is the same as Guinness in most pubs in the UK, DELETED I will not argue with you , and never say Guinness is different .. SO... How much did you pay for this 1.2m baht car 120B beer? Wouldn't a 120b beer cost 120b ? Wouldn't a 1.2 m b car cost 1.2b ? A 1.2m B car would cost 1.2m B. Iam sure there is a point you are trying to make DELETED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumgranosalum Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 In the USA - (A union of course!) it is a different matter - companies like Toyota and BMW are building cars there as the market is big enough to support a factory and expansion. however at the end of the day ALL these markets are replacement markets and pale into insignificance next to the "equipment" market that is China. BMW have factories there and China accounts for something like 70% of their global sales. how can UK benefit on its own from the Chinese market? well in short it can't - one would be insane to think that the Japanese would use factories in the UK to export to China to any degree - they will simply build in China or nearby. Please before say some think double cheking. The more you write the more errors and false numbers / information. BMW have factories there and China accounts for something like 70% of their global sales ©cumgranosalum Full-year sales up 6.1% to total 2,247,485 2015 was BMW and MINI’s most successful year ever BMW sales increase 5.2% to total 1,905,234 MINI sales achieve 12.0% increase to total 338,466 Around 30,000 BMW i vehicles sold in 2015 Deliveries increased in all major sales regions Almost one million vehicles sold in Europe bmw sales.jpg this is only one of a dozen mistakes that you have written. PS it big offtop.. If you are interested in this debate can create a topic and discuss dozens of errors that you have written. nothing you have posted contradicts anything I've said - you are just gainsaying because you either don't know or are too surprised to admit you are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagnabbit Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Looks even better now .. after polishing and application of GTECHNIQ Crystal Serum ... That definitely isn't overrated SL500_ Polished.JPG Beautiful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAS21 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 (edited) Ý00 ...my phone is clever ... it did that whilst in my pocket ... Edited June 19, 2016 by JAS21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardokano Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 How much did you pay for this 1.2m baht car? A 1.2m B car would cost 1.2m B. Ok ..then.. Thanks for help... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardokano Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 bmw sales.jpg nothing you have posted contradicts anything I've said BMW have factories there and China accounts for something like 70% of their global sales ©cumgranosalum OK then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesneyHawkes Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I'm happy to pay what I've paid. I want to get as much value as I can so of course I would look at price paid and minimising the depreciation. At the same time, I know that I can't find an equivalent for a better price here. Yes, it cost a fair whack more that what it'd cost to buy in another country, but it is what it is. I'm enjoying the drive and it does what I want it to do, isn't that all that matters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgrahmm Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 The BMW leasing I am on is exactly the same as normal car finance in my home country. I pay down 25% cash (700.000 Baht) and then 5 years of financing at 0% interest rate (35.000 per month). Very good offer from BMW. And first class insurance included in the total price of 2.799.000 Baht. At Toyota and Benz the effective interest rate is circa 5% (they actually deceive customers telling them the interest rate is 2.9% - but thats a fixed yearly rate on the total amount, not the real interest rate). Also at Benz insurance not included first year, so another 50-60.000 Baht payout.... I will for sure test the BMW on the road from Bangkok to Pattaya and BKK - Hua Hin. Nice 4-6 lanes road all the way. That's for a lease though - not ownership - correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Try again .SLK Lady Car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seizetheday Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 The BMW leasing I am on is exactly the same as normal car finance in my home country. I pay down 25% cash (700.000 Baht) and then 5 years of financing at 0% interest rate (35.000 per month). Very good offer from BMW. And first class insurance included in the total price of 2.799.000 Baht. At Toyota and Benz the effective interest rate is circa 5% (they actually deceive customers telling them the interest rate is 2.9% - but thats a fixed yearly rate on the total amount, not the real interest rate). Also at Benz insurance not included first year, so another 50-60.000 Baht payout.... I will for sure test the BMW on the road from Bangkok to Pattaya and BKK - Hua Hin. Nice 4-6 lanes road all the way.That's for a lease though - not ownership - correct? There is a balloon payment at the end of the 5 years, normally around the value of the car, however, if you do a lot of kms you could have a shortfall. You can get an E Class Merc for 40k a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagnabbit Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Try again .SLK Lady Car. That you cannot afford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardokano Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Try again .SLK Lady Car. That you cannot afford ofcouse Man... cannot afford Lady car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumgranosalum Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 My comments on BMW's Chinese share of the market wre based on a documentary I watched about 6 months ago...however I can't find the reference to cite anywhere - so I have to asdsume I got it wrong or they've changed their stance. however my point was not so much the Chinese market but more how "premium marques" are perceived and how this will be reshuffled if the UK leaves the EU.. So now all the British Motor industry has said they’d prefer to stay in the EU and Ford has sent 14000 letters to every employee outlining their reasons. In fact with the results so close - industry both here and abroad has BEGGED the people of Britain to vote remain. So according to some politico-aficionados on this thread a “socialist conspiracy? _ I think not! All are worried about tariffs interfering with production, that at present is going really well. They are convinced that Brexit is tantamount to shitting in one's own nest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardokano Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 My comments on BMW's Chinese share of the market wre based on a documentary I watched about 6 months ago...however I can't find the reference to cite anywhere - so I have to asdsume I got it wrong or they've changed their stance. however my point was not so much the Chinese market but more how "premium marques" are perceived and how this will be reshuffled if the UK leaves the EU.. So now all the British Motor industry has said they’d prefer to stay in the EU and Ford has sent 14000 letters to every employee outlining their reasons. In fact with the results so close - industry both here and abroad has BEGGED the people of Britain to vote remain. So according to some politico-aficionados on this thread a “socialist conspiracy? _ I think not! All are worried about tariffs interfering with production, that at present is going really well. They are convinced that Brexit is tantamount to shitting in one's own nest. its big offtopic. Nothing to happened with ALL British Motor industry... UK buy a car more than produce.... buy near 3200ml , but even 2000ml not produce. all the major manufacturers have the technological capabilities to produce or assemble a car in UK. So NTHING to happened with indastry even have fees.. just open new factory for produce/assemble near 1500ml car for full the growing market.. London guys big player!!! And as i can see now dominate and near win.. They make "Black Wednesday" how all think but in finaly Wednesday was the GOLDEN!! and therefore escaped the eurozone as subsequent events showed that I do not think it was a coincidence. Europe is not in a position to dictate terms. Except for Germany, all countries virtually gutted. Europe with Britain debit with credit for import / export of around zero. so it is still a great chance that there will be some conditions for duty-free trade for British industry in Europe. Or bild in UK new plants not to lose is not a small market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumgranosalum Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 My comments on BMW's Chinese share of the market wre based on a documentary I watched about 6 months ago...however I can't find the reference to cite anywhere - so I have to asdsume I got it wrong or they've changed their stance. however my point was not so much the Chinese market but more how "premium marques" are perceived and how this will be reshuffled if the UK leaves the EU.. So now all the British Motor industry has said they’d prefer to stay in the EU and Ford has sent 14000 letters to every employee outlining their reasons. In fact with the results so close - industry both here and abroad has BEGGED the people of Britain to vote remain. So according to some politico-aficionados on this thread a “socialist conspiracy? _ I think not! All are worried about tariffs interfering with production, that at present is going really well. They are convinced that Brexit is tantamount to shitting in one's own nest. its big offtopic. Nothing to happened with ALL British Motor industry... UK buy a car more than produce.... buy near 3200ml , but even 2000ml not produce. all the major manufacturers have the technological capabilities to produce or assemble a car in UK. So NTHING to happened with indastry even have fees.. just open new factory for produce/assemble near 1500ml car for full the growing market.. London guys big player!!! And as i can see now dominate and near win.. They make "Black Wednesday" how all think but in finaly Wednesday was the GOLDEN!! and therefore escaped the eurozone as subsequent events showed that I do not think it was a coincidence. Europe is not in a position to dictate terms. Except for Germany, all countries virtually gutted. Europe with Britain debit with credit for import / export of around zero. so it is still a great chance that there will be some conditions for duty-free trade for British industry in Europe. Or bild in UK new plants not to lose is not a small market. Well, you can't argue with that! - Keep taking the tablets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAS21 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Now I forget what this topic is about ... confused ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai Dee Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 A number of off-topic and troll posts have been removed from this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Now I forget what this topic is about ... confused ... Nor does Ardon.......... Be ard to get one here. No V8s or 12s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardokano Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Now I forget what this topic is about ... confused ... Nor does Ardon.......... You sure its not Trancs or fashAm? Now follow topic. Donno not only "premium" car overrated For price Tuna 2012-2015( some thai think its "premium" and if look averge Thai sallary it not far from True) can buy in another country two same car so Tuna sure overrated Or for price tuna in 2008 can buy 3-4 car as this is SUV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Much Ar Do About Nothing..Saves doin the Crosswords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardokano Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Please Ardokano. English is not your first language, but your posts are getting worse and worse and make less and less sense. Try to post in such a way that we can at least understand them. Sorry I am try not to deviate from the topic. 1. Toyota Fortuner worth about 1.6 million baht if the common salary in Thailand 10000-15000 thousand baht, hence a car worth 1.5 millionosch baht can be considered premium. that way, and some do. including Toyota itself in its advertising Toyota Camry( cheap car for house wife from poor family) 2. I have experience with Great Wall- Hover and Safe(model Chines SUV) .. Hover quite a capable SUV driving even real off road and can easy do 200 thousand km without any problems. Safe it copy 4Runer .. Problems mostly looseness plastic interior and exterior parts, and as a consequence of squeaks in the cabin. Same problem have Fortuner , So Hover and Safe can be compared with Fortuner. And the fact that Hover and Safe near the Fortuna qality. Even 3. If the price of the Hover almost two times less than the price of Fortuner. So Fortuner overpriced. PS I try my best. Hope you can understand and it is more clear writing. Best regards Ardokano. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Cmon Ardo. Do you have to bleat on and on about your Tuna obsession in EVERY car related thread ? Revo can advertise everywhere, even if no facts.. and oftopic. But i try follow topic. 1. 1.6 ml B if often sallary 10-15k its can say " premium"? 2. I have experience use Hover and safe.. so can compare with fact.. and fact it near Tuna.. 3. If simular car price 2 time less it can say overrated?- yes I thought this thread was about premium vehicles...BMW/Merc etc etc. Why you think a shopping trolley like the Tuna is "premium" is beyond me. Looking out my window into the garage I see 2 vehicles that cost a combined total of nearly 4 million baht... both are Toyota. Both are shopping trolleys. Neither are "premium". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seedy Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Flaming and Off Topic post Removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardokano Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 I thought this thread was about premium vehicles...BMW/Merc etc etc. Why you think a shopping trolley like the Tuna is "premium" is beyond me. Looking out my window into the garage I see 2 vehicles that cost a combined total of nearly 4 million baht... both are Toyota. Both are shopping trolleys. Neither are "premium". Please read carefully. I explained in another post Toyota Fortuner worth about 1.6 million baht if the common salary in Thailand 10000-15000 thousand baht, hence a car worth 1.5 millionosch baht can be considered premium. that way, and some do. including Toyota itself in its advertising Toyota Camry( cheap car for house wife from poor family) everything is relative. my opinion is not at all what the logo of BMW or Mercedes is a premium. I know many guys if not have AMG, brabus etc they it trolley for poor guys And yes in my opinion Tuna its for very poor guys as me.. Who can not afford normal car.. .PS just wondering .,you have a window of a house overlooking the garage Toyota dealer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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