London may elect first Muslim mayor, after ugly, 'dog-whistling' campaign

[Naam]

is it true that non-muslims need visa and work permit for London effective july 1?

Nooooo, well only those who don't know what "Watcha guv, ows fings" mean..

and no visa runs either?

[samran]

^^^^ the irony of it all.

Even the economic migrants and refugees, seem hell bent on heading to the protestant countries of northern europe, not too many willing to relocate to socialist (catholic)paradises such as spain, portugal or italy.

Protestant Nth America (USA & Canada) boom, Sth American catholic countries continue in abject poverty.

Phillipines anyone, no thank you, thought not.

Heck even the refugees in calais cant wait to get out of the defacto commie country of france and head for the white cliffs of dover.

Totally laffable.

Does Thai Visa need it's own Orangemen subforum now?

[overherebc]

I am a member of the last generation to see London as an English city.

Cheers.

No. Just the last to think that English means White.

On the lines of, " I could tell he was Welsh by the leek stuck in his Turban"

[harrry]

To lower the tone a bit, a Daily Mail columnist has said she will run naked down Regent Street with a sausage up her bum if Khan wins.

Readers replies to her column are asking what time, will there be seats available for booking, will the sausage be up her bum or just between the cheeks etc.

would the sausage be a halal one?

Prime cumberland....pork Cumberland sausage is a form of sausagethat originated in the ancient county ofCumberland, England, now part of Cumbria. They are traditionally very long up to 21 inches (50 cm), and sold rolled in a flat, circular coil, but within western Cumbria they are more often served in long curved lengths.

[NeverSure]

So. If white people go from majorities to minorities in their own country without any other countries "diversifying"...what is happening?

The Muslim countries are hell-bent on maintaining their ethnic and religious purity and their Sharia law while also being hell-bent on exporting their ways to us. All the while we are told that we are the bad guys if we don't allow this "diversity". We are called names such as racist and bigoted and Islamophobic and so on if we don't just let it happen without complaint. It's extremely one-sided.

Did I mention that some of these people are bloody mass killers of innocents? Did London learn nothing from the train bombing?

[Jingthing]

As far as Islamic culture and politics, yes, if a nation's demographic changes from minority Muslims to a large majority of Muslims, yes, most certainly, the non-Muslims have reasons for concern based on culture, history, and current events. In a historically western nation like England, if that happened, then the question would become what percentage of those Muslims are also very westernized in POV. If most, then the concern would be limited. If most were more fundamentalist or more likely WEAK and FEARFUL in response to extremists, then you've got a big problem. It's not Islamophobic to be aware of these realities. It's called being aware. That's not the same thing as being a white supremacist nativist that eschews diversity.

Edited May 8, 2016 by Jingthing

[SoiBiker]

So. If white people go from majorities to minorities in their own country without any other countries "diversifying"...what is happening?

The Muslim countries are hell-bent on maintaining their ethnic and religious purity and their Sharia law while also being hell-bent on exporting their ways to us. All the while we are told that we are the bad guys if we don't allow this "diversity". We are called names such as racist and bigoted and Islamophobic and so on if we don't just let it happen without complaint. It's extremely one-sided.

Did I mention that some of these people are bloody mass killers of innocents? Did London learn nothing from the train bombing?

The UK is still 87% white, according to the most recent census, so talk of white people becoming a minority is simply nonsense - as is the rest of your post.

The deaths of those in the 'train bombing', as you call it, were a tragedy. To use them to score points in an argument like this is crass and insensitive in the extreme.

[nontabury]

I am a member of the last generation to see London as an English city.

Cheers.

No. Just the last to think that English means White.

You seem to have attracted 3likes. 2 Aussies and I German. Yet no Brits,I wonder why? Not that there's anything wrong with that,after all as I pointed out earlier,England has been a divided country for quite some time. Many people talk about the north/south divide while others question,is London part of the U.K.

Edited May 8, 2016 by nontabury

[stevenl]

I am a member of the last generation to see London as an English city.

Cheers.

No. Just the last to think that English means White.

You seem to have attracted 3likes. 2 Aussies and I German. Yet no Brits,I wonder why? Not that there's anything wrong with that,after all as I pointed out earlier,England has been a divided country for quite some time. Many people talk about the north/south divide while others question,is London part of the U.K.

Your counting is off.

[nontabury]

I am a member of the last generation to see London as an English city.

Cheers.

No. Just the last to think that English means White.

You seem to have attracted 3likes. 2 Aussies and I German. Yet no Brits,I wonder why? Not that there's anything wrong with that,after all as I pointed out earlier,England has been a divided country for quite some time. Many people talk about the north/south divide while others question,is London part of the U.K.

Your counting is off.

I was referring to post 181. At that point he had 3 likes. None of whom I believe are British.

Edited May 8, 2016 by nontabury

[simple1]

I am a member of the last generation to see London as an English city.

Cheers.

No. Just the last to think that English means White.

You seem to have attracted 3likes. 2 Aussies and I German. Yet no Brits,I wonder why? Not that there's anything wrong with that,after all as I pointed out earlier,England has been a divided country for quite some time. Many people talk about the north/south divide while others question,is London part of the U.K.

I liked his post and I'm a UK citizen, born, educated, worked etc in London

[stevenl]

I am a member of the last generation to see London as an English city.

Cheers.

No. Just the last to think that English means White.

You seem to have attracted 3likes. 2 Aussies and I German. Yet no Brits,I wonder why? Not that there's anything wrong with that,after all as I pointed out earlier,England has been a divided country for quite some time. Many people talk about the north/south divide while others question,is London part of the U.K.

Your counting is off.

I was referring to post 181. At that point he had 3 likes. None of whom I believe are British.

I liked it way before you posted, and am Australian nor German.

[samran]

So. If white people go from majorities to minorities in their own country without any other countries "diversifying"...what is happening?

The Muslim countries are hell-bent on maintaining their ethnic and religious purity and their Sharia law while also being hell-bent on exporting their ways to us. All the while we are told that we are the bad guys if we don't allow this "diversity". We are called names such as racist and bigoted and Islamophobic and so on if we don't just let it happen without complaint. It's extremely one-sided.

Did I mention that some of these people are bloody mass killers of innocents? Did London learn nothing from the train bombing?

As someone who was going to work that morning and was two stops away from Aldgate when it happened- yep, London did learn something: that is not to base judgements on useless stereotypes. This election was a reinforcement of that.

[SgtRock]

I am a member of the last generation to see London as an English city.

Cheers.

No. Just the last to think that English means White.

You seem to have attracted 3likes. 2 Aussies and I German. Yet no Brits,I wonder why? Not that there's anything wrong with that,after all as I pointed out earlier,England has been a divided country for quite some time. Many people talk about the north/south divide while others question,is London part of the U.K.

I liked his post and I'm a UK citizen, born, educated, worked etc in London

What year did white flight take hold and you left London for pastures new ?

[balo]

In 20 years time the majority of the population in Europe will be muslims . Just my prediction.

[ilostmypassword]

You seem to have attracted 3likes. 2 Aussies and I German. Yet no Brits,I wonder why? Not that there's anything wrong with that,after all as I pointed out earlier,England has been a divided country for quite some time. Many people talk about the north/south divide while others question,is London part of the U.K.

I liked his post and I'm a UK citizen, born, educated, worked etc in London

What year did white flight take hold and you left London for pastures new ?

That's right. Whites are fleeing London en masse and being replaced by Moslem refugees. That's why the price of real estate in London has gone astronomically high. Because of all those dark skinned filthy-rich Pakistanis and other assorted Moslems..

Edited May 8, 2016 by ilostmypassword

[Jingthing]

In 20 years time the majority of the population in Europe will be muslims . Just my prediction.

As Trump says, ironically quoting him, Europe is a big place.

It would be more useful to refer to specific nations in Europe.

Surely demographic changes can be predicted fairly accurately for 20 years in the future.

Do you have any sources to support that claim ... which sounds rather paranoid to me.

[SgtRock]

I liked his post and I'm a UK citizen, born, educated, worked etc in London

What year did white flight take hold and you left London for pastures new ?

That's right. Whites are fleeing London en masse and being replaced by Moslem refugees. That's why the price of real estate in London has gone astronomically high. Because of all those dark skinned filthy-rich Pakistanis and other assorted Moslems..

Would you care to point out where I mentioned anything about Muslim refugees, price of real estate, dark skinned filthy rich Pakistani's or any other assorted Muslims ?

I did mention white flight from London and if you require links to this just let me know and I will happily supply them.

[simple1]

In 20 years time the majority of the population in Europe will be muslims . Just my prediction.

As Trump says, ironically quoting him, Europe is a big place.

It would be more useful to refer to specific nations in Europe.

Surely demographic changes can be predicted fairly accurately for 20 years in the future.

Do you have any sources to support that claim ... which sounds rather paranoid to me.

Actually a research organisation often quoted on this forum, Pew Research, has estimated the Muslims of Europe will reach about 10% of the total population by 2050. I guess the influx in 2014 / 2015 will increase the percentage by a few percent.

[Jai Dee]

Baiting and off-topic argumentative posts have been removed from this thread.

[nontabury]

I am a member of the last generation to see London as an English city.

Cheers.

No. Just the last to think that English means White.

You seem to have attracted 3likes. 2 Aussies and I German. Yet no Brits,I wonder why? Not that there's anything wrong with that,after all as I pointed out earlier,England has been a divided country for quite some time. Many people talk about the north/south divide while others question,is London part of the U.K.

Your counting is off.

I was referring to post 181. At that point he had 3 likes. None of whom I believe are British.

I liked it way before you posted, and am Australian nor German.

I did count you as an Aussie,although that may be incorrect. The German I mentioned referred to NAAM, who for some reason has now withdrawn his Like.

Edited May 8, 2016 by nontabury

[Morch]

In 20 years time the majority of the population in Europe will be muslims . Just my prediction.

As Trump says, ironically quoting him, Europe is a big place.

It would be more useful to refer to specific nations in Europe.

Surely demographic changes can be predicted fairly accurately for 20 years in the future.

Do you have any sources to support that claim ... which sounds rather paranoid to me.

Actually a research organisation often quoted on this forum, Pew Research, has estimated the Muslims of Europe will reach about 10% of the total population by 2050. I guess the influx in 2014 / 2015 will increase the percentage by a few percent.

10%-15% of the population can play a very significant part in elections, especially if its voter turnout figures are higher than average. Europe will not have a Muslim majority anytime soon, but the influence of Muslim minorities will definitely increase. How much of an issue this would present is another matter.

[Jingthing]

That's true. 10 to 15 percent is significant. For example, that's about the percentage of African Americans in the U.S. and their votes are quite influential. In this election, they probably made the difference in the democratic party picking Clinton over Sanders.

Edited May 8, 2016 by Jingthing

[Koosdedooes]

That's true. 10 to 15 percent is significant. For example, that's about the percentage of African Americans in the U.S. and their votes are quite influential. In this election, they probably made the difference in the democratic party picking Clinton over Sanders.

And the relevance of this fasinating statistic to the elections of Londons mayor given the black americans referred to are not British citzens or one presumes residents of London which is in England ?

Edited May 8, 2016 by Koosdedooes

[johnatong]

In 20 years time the majority of the population in Europe will be muslims . Just my prediction.

As Trump says, ironically quoting him, Europe is a big place.

It would be more useful to refer to specific nations in Europe.

Surely demographic changes can be predicted fairly accurately for 20 years in the future.

Do you have any sources to support that claim ... which sounds rather paranoid to me.

Actually a research organisation often quoted on this forum, Pew Research, has estimated the Muslims of Europe will reach about 10% of the total population by 2050. I guess the influx in 2014 / 2015 will increase the percentage by a few percent.

10%-15% of the population can play a very significant part in elections, especially if its voter turnout figures are higher than average. Europe will not have a Muslim majority anytime soon, but the influence of Muslim minorities will definitely increase. How much of an issue this would present is another matter.

The influence of the "Muslim" vote should not be underestimated particularly in those areas where "postal voting" is encouraged or other means of securing the "right" Muslim vote are used , remember Tower Hamlets, Birmingham etc. ?

[George Harmony]

A lot of crab here. One of the best mayors of Rotterdam in the history of Rotterdam is the current mayor, "Ahmed Aboutaleb".

Lets hope that the new mayor of London will follow his footsteps.

[arjunadawn]

I feel you're overreacting. The mayor of London would surely be admitted. His position is a type of vetting. He's hardly ISIS.

It seems so many want to go to extremes such as banning Trump from the UK or assuming this mayor wouldn't be invited.

Trump (and I) are opposed to allowing immigrants of any stripe to flood across our borders without getting vetted and getting proper visas the normal way. It's normal and it's the law. It always has been and still is for most people, but the current administration refuses to enforce long standing immigration laws. We now have an unbelievable number of illegals in the US. I find that totally unacceptable.

I don't understand the OTT scenarios and what seems like panic over enforcing existing laws.

ThkU. I was at first going to respond to this but see you have. It is not entirely unfair to accuse Trump of this, but it is intentionally offered without context. The goal is clearly intelligent profiling, not banning; revising the sterilized DHS and DOJ terrorism texts and guidelines, not banning. The goal is deciding why the mafia always hangs out in little Italy, not banning. It is an expression of understanding that the Black Panthers do not hail from Groton, CT. The effort is to determine from which sources jihadist threats come.

Were it not for Obama's sterilizing and offering that islamic jihad is not islamic people would have a reference point. The effort to divorce the self evident from reality leads people to reach the very conclusion Trump has- soufflé has its origins in France!

A British mayor, duly elected and vetted by popular vote, would surely not suffer a ban (unlike the knee jerk reaction to free speech evidenced against Trump).

If America (indeed, the UK) cannot secure its borders as every other nation has/does in all of history, it may continue to exist, but not in a manner that is recognizable. Open borders, the pet of the darling left, is the problem. The millions pouring across the borders are only the symptom.

Good for you to explain Trump.because for a moment I thought he would discriminate against all Muslims , now that I know that he would only discriminate against the poor and the unimportant, I feel better.

This is what is refereed to as 'projection.' Taking our interior or politics and projecting into places it was not. Everything here is your post, your words, your inference, your projection. Its is divorced entirely from the posts above.

[Jingthing]

That's true. 10 to 15 percent is significant. For example, that's about the percentage of African Americans in the U.S. and their votes are quite influential. In this election, they probably made the difference in the democratic party picking Clinton over Sanders.

And the relevance of this fasinating statistic to the elections of Londons mayor given the black americans referred to are not British citzens or one presumes residents of London which is in England ?

Duh. It was a reply to Morch's post asserting that 10 to 15 percent of a population can have major political implications. I gave a recent example of that. Morch was talking generally about the potential political impact of increasing Muslim population in any country, including the U.K. Cheerio.

[SoiBiker]

In 20 years time the majority of the population in Europe will be muslims . Just my prediction.

So where are the millions and millions of non-muslims who currently live in europe going to disappear to?

[sirineou]

In 20 years time the majority of the population in Europe will be muslims . Just my prediction.

will they be commuting to work with Jet back packs?