Redshirt leader Jatuporn given two years in jail for defamation charge

[Dagnabbit]

So, appeal and wait for supreme court....

[phantomfiddler]

Excellent, even though it's only 2 years. This vile, inbred mutant is finally put away.

Hey, C,mon, He speaks well of you

[smutcakes]

As much as I despise the toad, I do believe that if this had been a person from the other side of the political divide, the sentence would have been suspended.

I cannot help but feel that there is a lack of impartiality at the moment.

How many suspended sentences do you get before actually having to serve time? He has had at least one, and possibly two, 6 months incarceration suspended for 2 years, and is currently awaiting prosecution on a string of charges that may see him in for life. Those charges, of course, were delayed by his co-accused being appointed to parliament via PTP's party list, a blatant reward for crimes committed by the UDD mercenary agitators.

Well it obviously depends who you are, who you defame, what side of the political spectrum you are and what other charges there are.

How is Sondhi L getting on?

[wabothai]

By spring 2017 all opposition will be cleared.

Edited June 10, 2016 by wabothai

[Daryle]

Hop, skip and a jump closer to civil war is my prediction.

[mtls2005]

Totally agree that calling a jumped-up Military-ensconced toady PM, who orders troops to murder citizens, a Tyrant seems a stretch.

Clueless, incompetent, negligent, out of his depth all would have been more accurate.

Tell me again about his military service.

[scorecard]

Totally agree that calling a jumped-up Military-ensconced toady PM, who orders troops to murder citizens, a Tyrant seems a stretch.

Clueless, incompetent, negligent, out of his depth all would have been more accurate.

Tell me again about his military service.

And please share your military service...

[Khun Han]

As much as I despise the toad, I do believe that if this had been a person from the other side of the political divide, the sentence would have been suspended.

I cannot help but feel that there is a lack of impartiality at the moment.

I have to disagree with you.

He has been out of jail on bail for many years now for various offences .

He was found guilty of this offence in the criminal courts, convicted, appealed, let out on bail and the case went to the court of Appeal who upheld the original conviction.

Part of his problem is that he says and acts before he thinks which is why he was always in trouble.

Very true bill. But the issue here is that quite a lot from both sides behave just as badly, particularly Suthep from the 'other' side, but he seems to be coated in teflon. If this was a 'It has to start somewhere' moment, then great, fantastic, wonderful! But it isn't. It's just cherry picking by the current victors.

[Jimbo2014]

He looks like he just won the lottery in the picture. Is he of a right frame of mind?? ?

[heybruce]

Unsurprising.

Double standards.

Only to be expected from a corrupted and beholden judiciary with debts to pay.

Sadly.

W

Equally unsurprising.

Rote response.

Only to be expected from a Thaksin sycophant unable to recognise criminality.

Repeatedly.

H

He called you a Thaksin sycophant. Defamation charges are in order.

[Rayk]

Excellent, even though it's only 2 years. This vile, inbred mutant is finally put away.

I agree that he is a despicable individual, but not on the sentence. I can't help but feel that defamation should be subject to civil remedies alone as it is in many developed countries. Suing for defamation, when often the comments are actually true (not this case), knowing that the person will be subject to criminal penalties, is just wrong.

If the law were changed in such a way such that you could not be sued for stating provable facts about someone, but could only be sued for falsehoods, then perhaps criminal action could be allowed. However, that is not the case in Thailand, telling the truth is not a defence here. As long as the comments can be seen to damage the reputation of someone, then the person who made those comments is in the wrong.

The current defamation laws of Thailand are just used to gag dissent and as a political tool.

They have been that way for many years.

Thaksin was a great one for using those laws. He would sue anybody for billions of baht.

The law OUGHT to be changed but which party would be willing to take the chance and actually do it.

IMO none of the current mob of political parties would want to do it as it too useful for them.

It's not the political parties that need or want to change it, as it works to their advantage. It's the rest of the population that should and must demand that it be changed.

[Winniedapu]

I strongly suspect that, on looking back, perhaps in 2017, Jatuporn will prove to have been the catalyst, or a major player behind YL if she is the catalyst.

Making a martyr of Jatuporn might not have been a really smart idea, and it's the little general who will be blamed. With ultimate power comes ultimate responsibility and the little general gave himself ultimate power.

I guess we'll see, but I think I'll put a bag of popcorn in the cooker...

Closer than we think., The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in is rustier than we think... (apologies to RW).

Winnie

[billd766]

A new proof that Thailand is the contrary of a democratic country and is 555 years back in time compared to Europe.

Just out of interest can you tell me how long it took Europe to become democratic?

A couple of weeks, a month, 6 months, a year of 10 or perhaps hundreds of years?

Yet you think and expect Thailand to reach that standard in 84 years.

[HiSoLowSoNoSo]

Could not be referendum related could it?

[Dumbastheycome]

Excellent, even though it's only 2 years. This vile, inbred mutant is finally put away.

I agree that he is a despicable individual, but not on the sentence. I can't help but feel that defamation should be subject to civil remedies alone as it is in many developed countries. Suing for defamation, when often the comments are actually true (not this case), knowing that the person will be subject to criminal penalties, is just wrong.

If the law were changed in such a way such that you could not be sued for stating provable facts about someone, but could only be sued for falsehoods, then perhaps criminal action could be allowed. However, that is not the case in Thailand, telling the truth is not a defence here. As long as the comments can be seen to damage the reputation of someone, then the person who made those comments is in the wrong.

The current defamation laws of Thailand are just used to gag dissent and as a political tool.

To me the outcome actually represents an outcome that coincides with your sentiment. The original court ruled and the appeal court upheld a sentence for criminal defamation created by falsehoods. There was no apparent truth in defence.

[bobmac10]

Well it's great to note all the names of the Junta sycophants/apologists/one eyed supporters on this post.

We've always known who they are but it's rare these days to see them all on one page.

I guess it's rare to see them lately because they've not much to gloat about now, their hero turned into a tyrant.

Their lack of historical hindsight and lack of understanding of Thai culture, is demonstrated here, by taking sides with the aristocracy.

Perhaps 30 years ago they were on safe ground, but now the aristocracy and their supporters are in for a real shock.

It will happen, it's inevitable, and as Winnie says, it will be bloody.

However, the will of the people will be finally heard here.

Maybe someone is taking notes on Western junta sycophants, who knows?

[ramrod711]

The defamation laws are a joke, no doubt about it. Jatuporn deserves to be in jail, no doubt about that either, incitement to arson would be a good start. Isn't it interesting that the Joker gets all the attention while Nattawut, the truly dangerous one sits in waiting as the next PM.

[SOTIRIOS]

...not to say that he will not appeal the sentence...

...verdict.....and sentence....are two different things...

....which is often overlooked when these headlines come out....

[ujayujay]

I hope, somebody will hit him the Grin out of it's Face....hes such a Scum!

[billd766]

Double post.

Sorry.

My internet connection has just come back after being down for the 4th time in 8 days.

Sometimes it doesn't seem to post but it does post sneakily.

Blame Thaksin.

W

I would love to do that but to be fair it has nothing to do with Thaksin at all.

My TOT internet is a WiNet connection and is connected by a microwave link to a base station in Klong Lan some 5 km away. That base station seems to have a fault as it has crashed the link 4 times in 8 days.

One time I can accept as it has been running OK for nearly a year apart from the New Year when some drunk driver rammed a power pole and took out the power and fibre optic links.

A second time 2 days later leads me to believe that the "fix" wasn't the problem.

The third one 8 hours later leads me to believe that the TOT "expert" teams is worse than useless.

The 4th one 48 hours later makes me believe that the team of experts came from the home for the sick, lame, lazy, stupid and congenitally moronic cretins.

The good news is that when I go there next week and pay my bill TOT have promised me a discount. That may change when I explain about all the other users hanging on the WiNet out here.

[Winniedapu]

I hope, somebody will hit him the Grin out of it's Face....hes such a Scum!

Calm down. When you know and understand more, you'll be surprised how pointless hatred is.

W

[luckyman]

Lets hope he apppeals and gets 4 years instead.

[luckyman]

As much as I despise the toad, I do believe that if this had been a person from the other side of the political divide, the sentence would have been suspended.

I cannot help but feel that there is a lack of impartiality at the moment.

At the moment? You must have just arrived here...

[Winniedapu]

Double post.

Sorry.

My internet connection has just come back after being down for the 4th time in 8 days.

Sometimes it doesn't seem to post but it does post sneakily.

Blame Thaksin.

W

I would love to do that but to be fair it has nothing to do with Thaksin at all.

My TOT internet is a WiNet connection and is connected by a microwave link to a base station in Klong Lan some 5 km away. That base station seems to have a fault as it has crashed the link 4 times in 8 days.

One time I can accept as it has been running OK for nearly a year apart from the New Year when some drunk driver rammed a power pole and took out the power and fibre optic links.

A second time 2 days later leads me to believe that the "fix" wasn't the problem.

The third one 8 hours later leads me to believe that the TOT "expert" teams is worse than useless.

The 4th one 48 hours later makes me believe that the team of experts came from the home for the sick, lame, lazy, stupid and congenitally moronic cretins.

The good news is that when I go there next week and pay my bill TOT have promised me a discount. That may change when I explain about all the other users hanging on the WiNet out here.

Repeat 10 times every day in the comfort of your own home:

"All Thais are incompetent. They're all and always in the sh|t, it's only ever the depth that varies. They choose to always be incompetent and in the sh|t. How much respect can I be expected to have for someone who chooses to be incompetent and at least semi-submerged in sh|t all the time?"

I guarantee after just a few days, you will have a completely different perspective on Thailand and Thais.

It's like having a dog which habitually craps on your carpet. There's no point scolding, the dog doesn't understand. There's no point thrashing it, the dog won't understand why you're thrashing it. The dog reads body language and body language among humans is pretty universal, the dog understand it. You have to teach the dog in a language which it understands.

The Thai will read the contempt in your eyes, they'll hear it in your voice, they'll see it in your body and facial language. They'll pretend they don't care, but the one thing a Thai cannot abide is being viewed with contempt, especially by foreigners whom they already feel inferior to.

Nothing else seems to work...

W

ps: Before the censors arrive, this is not to say I think Thais are dogs, it's just an example, cats are the same, and small children. It's not perjorative. It's how living and intelligent creatures behave, it's universal.

Edited June 10, 2016 by Winniedapu

[rubl]

Just read all replies. Was distracted a moment, but still think this topic is on the defamation case Abhisit raised against Jatuporn.

With all the 'nice' comments surely someone should be surprised that Jatuporn has been granted bail again with the case on appeal moving to the Supreme Court. At the very moment he's busy again with 'election watchdog' necessities.

[nausea]

So defamation is a criminal charge. OO'ER - most people on Thai-Visa will be liable.

[halloween]

The major amendment I would like to see is making a defense of provably true statements. But I fully support criminal defamation where there is no truth provable.

Why? Let's say it becomes a civil matter only, with monetary penalties and retractions the only options. During an election an un-named billionaire gets his stooges to tell horrendous lies about his political opponents, with a guarantee to pay all fines. How do you redress the wrong done?

Levying fines on a man with the financial backing of a billionaire is obviously ineffective, and clearly a double standard. And by the time the matter reaches court, the election has been decided, with possibly many votes affected by false statements. Does that fit well with your definition of democracy?

[Wilsonandson]

Just read all replies. Was distracted a moment, but still think this topic is on the defamation case Abhisit raised against Jatuporn.

With all the 'nice' comments surely someone should be surprised that Jatuporn has been granted bail again with the case on appeal moving to the Supreme Court. At the very moment he's busy again with 'election watchdog' necessities.

The court granted Jatuporn's request for temporary release, with a bail of Bt200,000, on condition that he does not leave the country without court permission.

He is to appeal his case with the Supreme Court.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Appeals-Court-upholds-two-year-term-against-Jatupo-30287868.html

Ruby's right again!

[Khun Han]

The major amendment I would like to see is making a defense of provably true statements. But I fully support criminal defamation where there is no truth provable.

Why? Let's say it becomes a civil matter only, with monetary penalties and retractions the only options. During an election an un-named billionaire gets his stooges to tell horrendous lies about his political opponents, with a guarantee to pay all fines. How do you redress the wrong done?

Levying fines on a man with the financial backing of a billionaire is obviously ineffective, and clearly a double standard. And by the time the matter reaches court, the election has been decided, with possibly many votes affected by false statements. Does that fit well with your definition of democracy?

"How do you redress the wrong done?"

You show the lies up for what they are and thus discredit the liars in the eyes of the general public. It's called campaigning, and it's a system that's been proven to work pretty well when it's allowed to .

[The Deerhunter]

About time...

I agree but he will probably never serve a day even if he breaks all his parole and association, public group rules etc etc.