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If it's true you're quite fit otherwise, you sound like an IDEAL candidate for liposuction. Liposuction is not meant for weight loss but it is meant to deal with localized areas that patients have tried to address, and are unsuccessful. Very common. Good luck.

So the question for you now if you want to go that route is whether it's worth the money and small medical risk to do it, and also exactly WHERE to go to have it done.

I suppose also there is a cosmetic concern of loose skin after the procedure. But your youth is probably a big plus with that too ... more elasticity to adapt.

Not sure about that with lipo as opposed to natural weight loss ... should do some research.

Liposuction at 20??

Crazy idea......I recommend you do 100 laps of the pool most days and eat a bit less....it will disappear in a month.

I highly doubt him or you could do 100 laps in a pool.

And I can assure you from experience that it takes more than a month and a few laps in the pool to lose the fat around your midsection.

That is the last place and often hardest place on a person where they will lose his or her fat.

Swimming is very poor exercise for weight loss, not enough calories are burned.

It's usually considered helpful for those too unhealthy to do any other form of exercise.

Exercise involving stairs or hills will lose the most weight in the fastest time (but it's dangerous).

But only for those without the willpower to diet.

Not eating ANYTHING loses weight fastest of all (but it's dangerous).

Jogging on the flat just damages your joints and tendons with little or no weight loss.

(Plenty of fat joggers around in London Hyde Park every day, near I used to live.)

The best exercise for weight loss usually includes lifting your own weight, but you need to be reasonably fit to do that.

Jogging/running damages joints and tendons? That old fable has been proven false many times over.

Talk to all the people who used to be into aerobics in the eighties and are now needing knee and hip surgeries. I played tennis on hard courts for thirty years and eventually I couldn't walk up stairs with two bags of groceries.....all the side to side running and stopping.....solution, stop playing singles and concentrate on doubles where it's mostly forward and back movement.

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Maybe your insulin resistant go and check your bloodsugar and do a hba1C test (shows blood suger over longer periods). If this is hte case you have to cut down on carbs.

Bellyfat is always the last to go and even working out hard and doing cardio wont help if your insulin resistant or eating enough (no caloric deficit) to stay on weight.

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If it's true you're quite fit otherwise, you sound like an IDEAL candidate for liposuction. Liposuction is not meant for weight loss but it is meant to deal with localized areas that patients have tried to address, and are unsuccessful. Very common. Good luck.

So the question for you now if you want to go that route is whether it's worth the money and small medical risk to do it, and also exactly WHERE to go to have it done.

I suppose also there is a cosmetic concern of loose skin after the procedure. But your youth is probably a big plus with that too ... more elasticity to adapt.

Not sure about that with lipo as opposed to natural weight loss ... should do some research.

Liposuction at 20??

Crazy idea......I recommend you do 100 laps of the pool most days and eat a bit less....it will disappear in a month.

I highly doubt him or you could do 100 laps in a pool.

And I can assure you from experience that it takes more than a month and a few laps in the pool to lose the fat around your midsection.

That is the last place and often hardest place on a person where they will lose his or her fat.

Swimming is very poor exercise for weight loss, not enough calories are burned.

It's usually considered helpful for those too unhealthy to do any other form of exercise.

Exercise involving stairs or hills will lose the most weight in the fastest time (but it's dangerous).

But only for those without the willpower to diet.

Not eating ANYTHING loses weight fastest of all (but it's dangerous).

Jogging on the flat just damages your joints and tendons with little or no weight loss.

(Plenty of fat joggers around in London Hyde Park every day, near I used to live.)

The best exercise for weight loss usually includes lifting your own weight, but you need to be reasonably fit to do that.

Jogging/running damages joints and tendons? That old fable has been proven false many times over.

Talk to all the people who used to be into aerobics in the eighties and are now needing knee and hip surgeries. I played tennis on hard courts for thirty years and eventually I couldn't walk up stairs with two bags of groceries.....all the side to side running and stopping.....solution, stop playing singles and concentrate on doubles where it's mostly forward and back movement.

Long term studies, rather than andedotal examples, have shown that running actually helps the joints, compared, for example, to bike riding and swimming.

I have been a long distance runner for 39 years now and ten years ago added triathlon to the mix. There are plenty in my age group who are still pounding away.

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Age 20 is an ADULT already:

http://www.cosmeticmiracles.com/handbook/a_minimum_age_for_cosmetic_procedures.html

Liposuction

There is no true age limit, but 17 nor 18 is the minimum age the surgeons would consider.

...

use your brain once in your life and don't believe EVERYTHING what is published on internet. Many so called "docs" use this platform for advertise themselves or publish their "Results' sponsered by a medical company.

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Working out with a soccer team is not working out to lose belly fat.Go to a gym and get correct instructions there.If you are 20 years playing soccer with belly fat,believe me you are not in shape.

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Working out with a soccer team is not working out to lose belly fat.Go to a gym and get correct instructions there.

Its not really about the workout.. diet plays a far larger role. Its almost impossible to out train a bad diet. (too much food in this case).

But a good diet combined with a good workout work in synergy (meaning that it will burn more fat as the sum of the two total).

I got fat 6 years ago even though I worked out hard in a gym. It took me a year but with a good diet i lost 25 kg and kept it off ever since and am lean and muscular now.

Diet really is the most important part in losing fat.

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Your problem is a common problem today, because there is too much sugar and chemicals in most everything.wub.png

Avoid the following until you lose the fat.wub.png

Sugar

Anything low fat

Any sweetener, substitute with organic honey, small amounts, but better for first few weeks to avoid.

Pasta

Noodles

Alcohol

Fast food

Canned foods

Processed foods

7/11 foods

Soft drinks

Bread

Cream

Ice Cream….loaded with sugar

Milk…loaded with sugar

In your home give away all of the above so you are not tempted before your weight loss program.

Increase clean water intake.

Cleanse your colon and liver. Go online to find out how.wub.png

No snacking between meals. Drink ice water to fill up and expand stomach.wub.png

Eat fat, which burns fat....bacon, eggs, steak, fish...like salmon, tuna, chicken, shrimp with skin, coconut oil, Greek Yogurt, small quantities of almonds and cashews

No white rice for a few weeks, then Limit white rice, replace with sweet potatoes

Eat large salads, the greener the better....especially Kale

When on this diet eat 5 times day, small quantities and pack your own food in plastic containers. If you eat out you will not lose weight. Increase water intake. Carry water with you.

Go online to Utube and watch the HIIT, high intensity training workouts you can do in your room. 15 minutes equals one hour + in the gym and more sweat and faster fat burning.

Work out on an empty stomach. Black coffee helps to lose fat before workout. Eat immediately afterward.

When you get to your comfort level, add white rice, and what you enjoy.

Still avoid the bad food to maintain comfort level.

This is the same diet actors, models and body builders use to lose fat and build muscle.

No pain, nor sacrifice, no gain.clap2.gif

Caution for seniors. Extreme weight loss causes death for many! When you lose fat, even fat suction surgery you will have very loose skin if not tucked. Not pleasant. It’s much harder now to build muscle. Note to young people; stay slim and you will not have this problem in years to follow.wub.pngcoffee1.gif

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When I was 35 (and still in the army) I had a 6 pack. It came from exercising, period. I smoked, I drank, I ate whatever/whenever and would have died laughing at even the suggestion of a diet.

What I did do though was exercise 4-5 times a week.

8-10 km jog 2-3 times a week. Ruck march (with 25-30 kgs on your back while wearing combat boots) and obstacle course once a week and sports (or hit the gym) for an hour or so once a week.

Whatever the activity though, at the end we would meet in front of the HQ building where the chin-up bars were located.

We would then do a series of sit-ups, push-ups and chin-ups. Depending on conditioning as to how many each person did. I'd do 50 sit-ups, 50 push-ups and 10-12 proper (full arm extension) chin-ups per set and normally do 3 sets (five times a week on average).

That was it. No extra training. No supplements. No diets. We used to be tested for BMI (Body Mass Index) and my score was never great (I'm more of the squat, bulky build than the lean, athletic type the BMI scale favours) but I could easily pass the various fitness tests we had to do each year. I actually remember laughing one day when I was having a shower and noticed I had developed a "six pack". I was more proud of my ability to do 16 proper chin-ups !

(Naturally when I left the military my fitness went all to hell and last December I ended up with a rotator cuff tear from trying to do chin ups for the first time in over a decade !)

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At your hieght and weight it probably feels bigger than it really is...add a few ab targeted exercises to your routine and have some pacience, you will feel better in 3-4 months. Liposuction is something that can't be un-done and your body will change as you get older. Also your body only has so many fat cells it doesn't make more. When you remove some via liposuction you can end up back where you were as the remaining cells will just get bigger to compensate.

There are medical conditions that might make it hard to loose a little belly fat but you would know because there would be a lot other problems and symptoms.

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Seven months ago I was 144kg. Started counting calories and swimming 3.3km EVERY day. I am now 114kg and cannot shift anymore. My calorie useage is 3300 with an intake of about 1800. Although I have lost 8 inches from my waist I still have a great deal of fat around the middle. For the last 5 weeks, still swimming daily and calorie counting, I have lost nothing more; plateaued out some people say. Swimming is great supposedly for losing weight but one cannot target spots nor does other form of muscle exercising work. This only tones muscles and has nothing to do with fat. The calories used in performing hundreds and hundreds of sit-ups for example use minimal calories. I also need help in knowing how to lose another 8 - 9kg.

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Lipo at 20 ? Someone seriously needs their head checked.

Exercise and watch the caloric intake & don't listen to a bunch of fatties who write restaurant reviews.

90% of 14 year old girls in the UK would benefit from a few days on the suction pump....
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We had basically this same topic here: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/720671-any-tips-on-losing-a-beer-gut/

With of course a lot of the same nonsense.

You can definitely fix that issue w/o exercising yourself to death or (cough) surgery, and here's exactly how you can do it:

http://nypost.com/2016/03/23/forget-calorie-counting-this-is-the-real-secret-to-weight-loss/

Watch this video, or infomercial, lol. Gets interesting around the 26 min mark:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xvdbtt_eat-fast-live-longer-hd_shortfilms

It ends up w/ the 5:2 plan:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5:2_diet

More info:

https://authoritynutrition.com/the-5-2-diet-guide/
http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/howto/guide/what-52-diet
http://www.goodtoknow.co.uk/recipes/538311/5-2-diet-meal-plans-what-to-eat-for-500-calorie-fast-days

Some graphs as to what you may expect:

https://forum.fastday.com/tracker.php?p=stats

Losing weight too rapidly, as someone here previously observed, isn't healthy. This is slow & steady after the initial loss, with some plateaus of course.

Overweight friend o' mine is doing this and it's been amazing, only thing that's ever worked. Best thing ever for stubborn cases.

And BTW follow a low carb diet. This vid explains why:



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Jogging/running damages joints and tendons? That old fable has been proven false many times over.

I have personally discovered it is very much NOT a fable.

If you jog/run, only do so on soft surfaces, which ain't so easy or convenient to find. Overweight people should do very little if any. Swim, do light lifting, lose weight first.

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Let's cut it all down. Cheapest and most beneficial solution for body and mind is; 1 healthy* Meal a day.

And keep doing your daily activities.

It's all about willpower.

* healthy meal

(No fried stuff, no sauces)

(Eat in the early morning)

- Tea with little honey

- start off with fruits before you eat main dish (Apple is best)

- cup of quinoa/ lentils/ or beans

- chicken meat/ or seafood (vegetarian diet will make you over all feeling less tired, as body doesn't need to process heavy duty foods)

- observe your body while eating, as soon you burb for the first time, stop eating, Drink Some more water.

No excuses, if you stick at this plan your six pack show up sooner as expected.

As some other member mentioned, swimming is a great over-all activity!

Chokdee

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...hormonal...read up on it......

...environmental pollution factors in unfortunately...especially plastics and pesticides...

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A six pack will not appear soon, you need to have around 10% bodyfat for that and that is not an easy thing to do. You are slim and normal looking long before you ever get a proper six pack. Often the body resists if body fat goes too low. Pro bodybuilders go real low in body fat and stay there only shortly for pictures. The body does not like the % to be too low.

Also a lot is up to genetics, but not having a beer belly and a normal slim belly is something most people can get. But a six pack.. that requires for most (those with not the optimum genetics) a lot of effort. Then even when it shows how big the abs are is again genetics and ab exercises... but there are limits and those vary per person.

People should not think the way fitness models or others look is obtainable for all.

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i am older guy , fit but got the same problem, i did look at lipo but at £800 no thanks, they still love "hansum man", money better spent methinks, he he..gigglem.gif

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Seems you have a decent level of cardio but are one of the fat skinny people. You need to increase your muscles white reducing your body fat percent.

I would suggest the following:

Start a simple strength training program 3 days a week with focus on free weights (Dumbbells and Barbells). Keep it simple: squats, dead lifts, bench press, press up, pull up/chin up, power clean.

Start eating differently ... eat more healthy fats and dump the carbs (rice, pasta, bread, beer, sugars) and replace with veggies and fruit.

Your belly will gradually get smaller

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Another factor... accept that is your soma type.. the rest will follow.. obsession with "a body part" loss creates a negative reinforcement..this is what you have.. sensible nutritional practices and exercise will keep you healthy..

Want to feel like a stud.. you know where to go and swank it..

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Stay of coke, rice (especially sticky rice), saturated fat and other processed carbohydrates. Stick to lean meat and veggies and low fat whey protein. Do more condition training. You will start see good results in 6 weeks.

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Excersing a lot is fine. Maybe you should find a variety that will strengthen your abs. Advice of a physical trainer would be helpful. Surgery at any age is best avoided if possible.

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Long term studies, rather than andedotal examples, have shown that running actually helps the joints, compared, for example, to bike riding and swimming.

funny because, 1-2 hours jogging give me extreme knee, ankle joint pain, and Achilles tendon pains (not all at the same time).

But I can swim 5Km and cycle all day with no resulting pain at all. (occasional muscle cramps)

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I've got this issue (although I'm far far from my best currently) and I know of many who also have it too. It's just the last place the fat wants to leave from. I've had it where you can see ribs, 4pack, obliques, and this damned tyre of fat that just won't go away.

I don't have a fix all solution, but things I would research (assuming you don't want to do dangerous drugs - that is dangerous for a casual reader who doesn't understand the consequences of doing it wrong and ending up in A&E), is look for the areas where you have brown fat (usually on your back between shoulder blades up to the trapezoids) as an adult (Brown Adipose Tissue) that burns calories like crazy, as opposed to White fat which is energy reserves and costs almost nothing to retain. Then, devise a system where you can make those areas cold (ice packs, getting wet etc). There are some suggestions that BAT can be increased as an adult, where it was once thought that as a baby you have lots of it, then lose it around puberty when you're big enough not to be so susceptible to cold, but it may be possible to change your 'set point' over time.

I would take a guess that swimming would work better than any other form of exercise that burns the same amount of calories as swimming, as you're giving your body a reason to generate heat which cannot happen in a much colder environment than the body can overpower (this is polar opposite to the idea of fat for insulation).

All the good stuff for popping pills is illegal now (ECA/Clen-T3/DNP etc). I've even injected problem areas with stuff in a 'slin pin over the areas which was said to be effective with zero results.

Some Androgenic steroids (as opposed to Anabolic) can help lean muscle preservation for extreme dieting, but that's a dangerous path to take if for no other reason that you get the Narcissus effect at every mirror or glance in a glass window reflection, and you find yourself drinking from your glass with your bi's/tri's tensed (lol, take it from one who use to do that). It ain't so sharp for the Liver either. I'm not saying don't do it, just saying don't do it without thorough research or believing some dude down the gym just because he's big. I'm not even going to mention concoctions that would assist as I'm of the view that natural is better, and it would be irresponsible of me anyhow.

...or take up ballet - have you seen how fit and strong those dudes are? (just no pink ballerina shoes with socks at the local farang bar please).

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