Eyewitness: Truck slams into crowd in Nice

[FinChin67]

Looks like the Right Wing war mongers are out of luck on this one.

Seems the culprit was just a guy whose world has had the wheels fall off it.

Broken marriage, no future, isolated from society and family, untreated mental illness.

When someone mentions "Right wing war mongers" these two things need to come up too. Specially when in the same discussion dementia is suggested.

This is What a Social Justice Warrior Looks Like

Why Social Justice Warriors Are So DEMENTED

[mopar71]

14 pages so far of the usual redneck Muslim bashing that now seems to be the norm on this forum despite rule #11.

You will not post slurs, degrading or overly negative comments directed towards ...any other group on the basis of race, nationality, religion, gender or sexual orientation.

and despite the fact that the OP perp was not a practising Muslim; he ate pork, drank alcohol, took drugs, never went to a mosque or observed Ramadan.

It seems you are making the case that it is not only Islamic extremists people have to look out for, but non-practicing Muslims as well.

[mopar71]

But the soft targets cannot be protected: from Tokyo to Taipei to Australia , Paris, Orlando, Brussels, London, Bangkok. Whatever the motive/cause: terrorist, criminal, mental health ...it's not going to stop, it can't be stopped (sadly).

Mechanisms to lessen the risk will never work either, they simply ratchet up the tension, which both disrupts everyone's normal life and itself incites more atrocities - the point is to spread terror, after all.

I've read this whole thread and I think no one understands the situation. Everyone is taking proximate for ultimate causation. The real reason for what is happening is deep-rooted, fairly subconscious - too big for most people to even recognise. It takes big perspective to see the wood rather than the trees.

Immigration, religion, or ethnicity are easy to blame on the surface, and everyone is falling into that trap. Those things are involved but they are not the ultimate cause. For one thing, division is necessary to human society, and to evolution. People will create division out of nothing (for the sake of competition) if sufficient division doesn't already exist. Therefore it is facile to simply blame religion for this - one might as well just blame human nature.

The ultimate cause involves psychology and is this: bitterness due to loss of pride and esteem, and a sense of inferiority. There is also a crisis of identity. Note, for example, that the perpetrators often are physically displaced people. Their aggression is a deranged attempt to establish meaning in their existence. Yes, it's subtle, but it does have traceable roots. To stop the carnage, it has to be put right at source - then allow a couple of generations.

This really is total nonsense.

The cause is not displaced people. Sure - many attacks in the West are from people living in Mulsim enclaves.

But who 'displaced' them? In the main they came of their own volition and these communities made a decision not to assimilate. Mostly because many sects of Islam think Westerners are dirt.

Sure - young men growing up in these non-assimilated communities find it hard to find jobs. This is what happens when you set yourself apart from the world around you. They also get to listen to psychopathic Mullahs brainwashing them.

The reason your displacement theory is nonsense is not this, though.

The reasons for the displacement is irrelevant. True, it is often self-imposed - economic migrants turn up in the west with idealistic expectations and many find the reality is quite different - their sense of inferiority is made worse, and disillusionment only makes them more bitter than ever.

Displacement might not be the problem as much as being displaced and not trying to integrate.

Here we have millions of people fleeing violent, backward countries with medieval attitudes & culture.

They are attracted to the peace and security of the West and the economic opportunities it provides.

What do they do when they get there?

They try to turn their host country into the same violent, backward crap-hole they just escaped from.

Then they can't find a job and feel alienated in their new home. Go figure.

[dexterm]

Looks like the Right Wing war mongers are out of luck on this one.

Seems the culprit was just a guy whose world has had the wheels fall off it.

Broken marriage, no future, isolated from society and family, untreated mental illness.

..plus one prior conviction of road rage.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/07/nice-attack-driver-lorry-attack-160715155251020.html

[dexterm]

14 pages so far of the usual redneck Muslim bashing that now seems to be the norm on this forum despite rule #11.

You will not post slurs, degrading or overly negative comments directed towards ...any other group on the basis of race, nationality, religion, gender or sexual orientation.

and despite the fact that the OP perp was not a practising Muslim; he ate pork, drank alcohol, took drugs, never went to a mosque or observed Ramadan.

It seems you are making the case that it is not only Islamic extremists people have to look out for, but non-practicing Muslims as well.

I am saying you have to treat all scum (as the OP perp was) the same, be they practisers of any religion or not.

Otherwise one becomes racist/religionist scum oneself by displaying the same blind hatred and bigotry.

[dexterm]

But the soft targets cannot be protected: from Tokyo to Taipei to Australia , Paris, Orlando, Brussels, London, Bangkok. Whatever the motive/cause: terrorist, criminal, mental health ...it's not going to stop, it can't be stopped (sadly).

Mechanisms to lessen the risk will never work either, they simply ratchet up the tension, which both disrupts everyone's normal life and itself incites more atrocities - the point is to spread terror, after all.

I've read this whole thread and I think no one understands the situation. Everyone is taking proximate for ultimate causation. The real reason for what is happening is deep-rooted, fairly subconscious - too big for most people to even recognise. It takes big perspective to see the wood rather than the trees.

Immigration, religion, or ethnicity are easy to blame on the surface, and everyone is falling into that trap. Those things are involved but they are not the ultimate cause. For one thing, division is necessary to human society, and to evolution. People will create division out of nothing (for the sake of competition) if sufficient division doesn't already exist. Therefore it is facile to simply blame religion for this - one might as well just blame human nature.

The ultimate cause involves psychology and is this: bitterness due to loss of pride and esteem, and a sense of inferiority. There is also a crisis of identity. Note, for example, that the perpetrators often are physically displaced people. Their aggression is a deranged attempt to establish meaning in their existence. Yes, it's subtle, but it does have traceable roots. To stop the carnage, it has to be put right at source - then allow a couple of generations.

This really is total nonsense.

The cause is not displaced people. Sure - many attacks in the West are from people living in Mulsim enclaves.

But who 'displaced' them? In the main they came of their own volition and these communities made a decision not to assimilate. Mostly because many sects of Islam think Westerners are dirt.

Sure - young men growing up in these non-assimilated communities find it hard to find jobs. This is what happens when you set yourself apart from the world around you. They also get to listen to psychopathic Mullahs brainwashing them.

The reason your displacement theory is nonsense is not this, though.

The reasons for the displacement is irrelevant. True, it is often self-imposed - economic migrants turn up in the west with idealistic expectations and many find the reality is quite different - their sense of inferiority is made worse, and disillusionment only makes them more bitter than ever.

Displacement might not be the problem as much as being displaced and not trying to integrate.

Here we have millions of people fleeing violent, backward countries with medieval attitudes & culture.

They are attracted to the peace and security of the West and the economic opportunities it provides.

What do they do when they get there?

They try to turn their host country into the same violent, backward crap-hole they just escaped from.

Then they can't find a job and feel alienated in their new home. Go figure.

You generalize from one barbaric psychopathic murderer in the OP to "they" ...all refugees, as though they all harbor the same evil intent.

Some of the redneck racists on this forum generalize even further to include a quarter of the world's entire population.

The real danger is stereotyping and whipping up hatred. We have witnessed this all before in history...with dire consequences for the world.

Edited July 16, 2016 by dexterm

[Dagnabbit]

But the soft targets cannot be protected: from Tokyo to Taipei to Australia , Paris, Orlando, Brussels, London, Bangkok. Whatever the motive/cause: terrorist, criminal, mental health ...it's not going to stop, it can't be stopped (sadly).

Mechanisms to lessen the risk will never work either, they simply ratchet up the tension, which both disrupts everyone's normal life and itself incites more atrocities - the point is to spread terror, after all.

I've read this whole thread and I think no one understands the situation. Everyone is taking proximate for ultimate causation. The real reason for what is happening is deep-rooted, fairly subconscious - too big for most people to even recognise. It takes big perspective to see the wood rather than the trees.

Immigration, religion, or ethnicity are easy to blame on the surface, and everyone is falling into that trap. Those things are involved but they are not the ultimate cause. For one thing, division is necessary to human society, and to evolution. People will create division out of nothing (for the sake of competition) if sufficient division doesn't already exist. Therefore it is facile to simply blame religion for this - one might as well just blame human nature.

The ultimate cause involves psychology and is this: bitterness due to loss of pride and esteem, and a sense of inferiority. There is also a crisis of identity. Note, for example, that the perpetrators often are physically displaced people. Their aggression is a deranged attempt to establish meaning in their existence. Yes, it's subtle, but it does have traceable roots. To stop the carnage, it has to be put right at source - then allow a couple of generations.

This really is total nonsense.

The cause is not displaced people. Sure - many attacks in the West are from people living in Mulsim enclaves.

But who 'displaced' them? In the main they came of their own volition and these communities made a decision not to assimilate. Mostly because many sects of Islam think Westerners are dirt.

Sure - young men growing up in these non-assimilated communities find it hard to find jobs. This is what happens when you set yourself apart from the world around you. They also get to listen to psychopathic Mullahs brainwashing them.

The reason your displacement theory is nonsense is not this, though.

The reason is that Islam is clearly the cause.

Just last month, Islamic terrorists in Iraq killed 250 people. Most of them families out breaking their fast. A nice family meal out. Their sin? Being the WRONG KIND of Mulsim.

So seriously - cut the amateur psycho-babble. It's leftist tripe.

Muslims are killing far more Muslims than Westerners. They do so in the Middle East, they do so in non-Middle Eastern Africa - these are not displaced people. They are displeased people. They simply despise people that have a different world view. They were not born that way, they were brainwashed.

The answer is simple. Zero tolerance for hate speaking Mullahs, countries that sponsor Islamic terrorism and places of worship that preach hatred.

I was hoping for a better quality discussion from someone.

The reasons for the displacement is irrelevant. True, it is often self-imposed - economic migrants turn up in the west with idealistic expectations and many find the reality is quite different - their sense of inferiority is made worse, and disillusionment only makes them more bitter than ever.

I'll say again, Islam is only the surface cause, not the ultimate cause. And again: people seek division. Groups need to make themselves different and will create divisions for the sake of competition - it's built into human evolution. Similar things have happened in the history of Christianity (wars and attempted genocides against other religions, brutal suppressions of one sect by another) only we've had centuries to grow out of it. Yes, you could say Islam is centuries behind, but simply to blame religion is to blame human nature and doesn't help.

As I said, this is partly for the imams to deal with, and somehow the imams need to be controlled by the state (we agree on that), so that is a political issue. The real solution though - and the only solution - is to reduce the bitterness, to restore stability and self-esteem in the Islamic world. Entire states need to be rebuilt, borders redrawn in some cases. I would give a particular example - the primary example - that would help a great deal, but apparently it is taboo to mention it in this thread.

Nope - your displaced persons theory is a sham.

There are far more Islamic driven attacks in the middle east.

It simply blows your victim theory out of the water.

If you want better discussion, make valid points.

[FinChin67]

OT but relevant:

Thursday evening two policeman where attacked by Molotov cocktails in Sweden. "Youths" were seen running away as they mention in local newspaper. They were lured by false alarm and attacked.

Because of safety concerns (as adding more police and guards does not do the trick) in Sweden they plan on one music festival to SEPARATE men and women. They are planning to build a "safety cage" for women. There has been so many sexual harassments and rapes that they can't guarantee the safety of women anymore otherwise.

Guess who and why?

[Kiwiken]

Why he shouted allahu akbar then?

Nice Terror Attack: What They're NOT Telling You

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwp4znSQ3WM

It is possible he was part of some Plot by Extremists. It is also possible he was just some sad Demented person. Who realising he had failed in life decided he would commit suicide in a grandiose way taking as many of the Haves as he saw it in revenge for the life he could not. As to what he is said to have said Maybe he said or people think he yelled it. We do not know. That is all for the authorities to determine.

Rinse and repeat. Dementia seems to target muslims or what?

11-22 March 2012 Shooting 7 5 Toulouse and Montauban shootings, murdering three French paratroopers, a French Rabbi and three French schoolchildren (aged eight, six and three) carried out over a period of 11 days by Mohammed Merah.[1]

23 May 2013 Stabbing 0 1 2013 La Défense attack by an Islamist knifeman against a French soldier in the Paris suburb of La Défense.

20 December 2014 Stabbing 0 3 2014 Tours police station stabbing. A man yelling "Allahu Akbar" attacked a police office in Joué-lès-Tours with a knife. He was killed and 3 police officers were injured.

21 December 2014 Vehicle ramming 0 11 2014 Dijon attack. A man yelling "Allahu Akbar" ran over 11 pedestrians with his vehicle.

22 December 2014 Vehicle ramming 1 10 2014 Nantes attack. A man yelling "Allahu Akbar" ran over 10 pedestrians with his vehicle, killing one, then attempted suicide.

7-9 January 2015 Shooting 20 22 January 2015 Île-de-France attacks, a mass shooting at the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo office in Paris, carried out by Saïd and Chérif Kouachi, two Islamist gunmen who identified themselves as belonging to Al-Qaeda in Yemen.[1] During this period, a third Islamist gunman and close friend of the Kouachi brothers,Amedy Coulibaly was responsible for two shootings and an hostage taking at a Hypercacher kosher market. He said he synchronized his attacks with the Kouachi brothers. Coulibaly had pledged allegiance to the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.

3 February 2015 Stabbing 0 3 3 military men, guarding a Jewish community center in Nice, are attacked by Moussa Coulibaly (not related to the January Coulibaly attacks).

19 April 2015 Shooting 1 0 Unsuccessful attack against 2 churches in Villejuif by an Algerian jihadist. He killed a woman probably when trying to steal her car but accidentally shot himself in the leg, putting an end to his plans.[22]

26 June 2015 Beheading 1 2 Saint-Quentin-Fallavier attack. An Islamist delivery driver probably linked to ISIS decapitated a man and rammed a company van into gas cylinders at the Air Products gas factory in an attempt to blow up the building.

21 August 2015 Shooting and stabbing 0 4 2015 Thalys train attack. An attempted mass shooting occurred on a train traveling from Amsterdam to Paris. Four people were injured, including the assailant who was subdued by other passengers.[23]

13-14 November 2015 Shootings, hostage taking and suicide bombings 130 352 November 2015 Paris attacks. The single deadliest terrorist attack in French history.

1 January 2016 Vehicle ramming 0 2 A man rammed his car twice into 4 soldiers protecting a mosque in Valence. He said he wanted to kill troops and jihadi propaganda images were found on his computer.[25]

7 January 2016 Stabbing 0 1 January 2016 Paris police station attack, a jihadist wearing a fake explosive belt attacked police officers in the Goutte d'Or district in Paris with a meat cleaver, while shouting "Allahu Akbar".

13 June 2016 Stabbing 2 0 2016 Magnanville stabbing, a police officer and his wife, a police secretary, were stabbed to death in their home in Magnanville by a jihadist. ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack.

14 July 2016 Vehicle ramming 84 202 2016 Nice attack, a terrorist used a truck to run over people celebrating the 2016 Bastille Day.

And automatically this is the same? It may well be . But you are making assumptions.

[up2u2]

Looks like the Right Wing war mongers are out of luck on this one.

Seems the culprit was just a guy whose world has had the wheels fall off it.

Broken marriage, no future, isolated from society and family, untreated mental illness.

<snip>

This guy had nothing to do with Islam. He didn't even follow its teachings. No more a Muslim than the Pope.

The Right Wing War Mongers thought they had a poster boy to promote their military agenda.

His mental illness was depression which can develop into a serious illness if left untreated.

What these tragedies seem to be highlighting is France's inability to integrate different social / religious immigrants into its society. Large areas of slums with generational high unemployment and limited access to education. Generational exclusion and isolation is not going to turn out to good. Home grown terrorists.

[tomacht8]

It would be good if,

- all high standing islamic leaders from all different islamic streams condemn in public terrorism in the name of their religion.

- in all madrassas and islamic schools are clearly stated, that if you kill people, also from other faiths, someone not comes in paradise and there are no virgins waiting for murderers of innocent people.

- each leader of an Islamic state should actively uphold the freedom of religion and human rights in his country.

- the peace-loving Moslems fight against the preachers of hate in their mosques or at least boycott them.

If the so-called moderate muslims now not active stand against the islamic nazis, then they are followers who quietly consent the murdering activities in the name of there religion.

Whether that will happen?
The ideology of islam forbids precisely this in many suras and regulations.
What alternatives has still Europe then?

The only remedy is then to stop immediately the islamization of europe and prevent further.
That is the bitter consequence.
The peaceful silent majority does not help in this situation.

Tolerated radicalism among muslims is a breeding ground for right-wing thoughts on the other side. And that will affect them even more.

Edited July 16, 2016 by tomacht8

[simon43]

Good news about the attempted coup in Turkey. That will help the politicians push this event in Nice quickly under the carpet without having to confront the 'I' word

[halloween]

Rinse and repeat. Dementia seems to target muslims or what?

11-22 March 2012 Shooting 7 5 Toulouse and Montauban shootings, murdering three French paratroopers, a French Rabbi and three French schoolchildren (aged eight, six and three) carried out over a period of 11 days by Mohammed Merah.[1]

23 May 2013 Stabbing 0 1 2013 La Défense attack by an Islamist knifeman against a French soldier in the Paris suburb of La Défense.

20 December 2014 Stabbing 0 3 2014 Tours police station stabbing. A man yelling "Allahu Akbar" attacked a police office in Joué-lès-Tours with a knife. He was killed and 3 police officers were injured.

21 December 2014 Vehicle ramming 0 11 2014 Dijon attack. A man yelling "Allahu Akbar" ran over 11 pedestrians with his vehicle.

22 December 2014 Vehicle ramming 1 10 2014 Nantes attack. A man yelling "Allahu Akbar" ran over 10 pedestrians with his vehicle, killing one, then attempted suicide.

7-9 January 2015 Shooting 20 22 January 2015 Île-de-France attacks, a mass shooting at the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo office in Paris, carried out by Saïd and Chérif Kouachi, two Islamist gunmen who identified themselves as belonging to Al-Qaeda in Yemen.[1] During this period, a third Islamist gunman and close friend of the Kouachi brothers,Amedy Coulibaly was responsible for two shootings and an hostage taking at a Hypercacher kosher market. He said he synchronized his attacks with the Kouachi brothers. Coulibaly had pledged allegiance to the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.

3 February 2015 Stabbing 0 3 3 military men, guarding a Jewish community center in Nice, are attacked by Moussa Coulibaly (not related to the January Coulibaly attacks).

19 April 2015 Shooting 1 0 Unsuccessful attack against 2 churches in Villejuif by an Algerian jihadist. He killed a woman probably when trying to steal her car but accidentally shot himself in the leg, putting an end to his plans.[22]

26 June 2015 Beheading 1 2 Saint-Quentin-Fallavier attack. An Islamist delivery driver probably linked to ISIS decapitated a man and rammed a company van into gas cylinders at the Air Products gas factory in an attempt to blow up the building.

21 August 2015 Shooting and stabbing 0 4 2015 Thalys train attack. An attempted mass shooting occurred on a train traveling from Amsterdam to Paris. Four people were injured, including the assailant who was subdued by other passengers.[23]

13-14 November 2015 Shootings, hostage taking and suicide bombings 130 352 November 2015 Paris attacks. The single deadliest terrorist attack in French history.

1 January 2016 Vehicle ramming 0 2 A man rammed his car twice into 4 soldiers protecting a mosque in Valence. He said he wanted to kill troops and jihadi propaganda images were found on his computer.[25]

7 January 2016 Stabbing 0 1 January 2016 Paris police station attack, a jihadist wearing a fake explosive belt attacked police officers in the Goutte d'Or district in Paris with a meat cleaver, while shouting "Allahu Akbar".

13 June 2016 Stabbing 2 0 2016 Magnanville stabbing, a police officer and his wife, a police secretary, were stabbed to death in their home in Magnanville by a jihadist. ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack.

14 July 2016 Vehicle ramming 84 202 2016 Nice attack, a terrorist used a truck to run over people celebrating the 2016 Bastille Day.

And automatically this is the same? It may well be . But you are making assumptions.

It may well be an assumption, but when people read the name Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, it is an assumption many many people will make. The hardening of anti- immigrant/muslim attitudes are inevitable, as is the appearance of radicalised right wingers.

I would not at all be surprised if attacks on these groups start to occur, and liberal pro-immigration politicians find it hard to be re-elected.

[dexterm]

It would be good if,

- all high standing islamic leaders from all different islamic streams condemn in public terrorism in the name of their religion.

- in all madrassas and islamic schools are clearly stated, that if you kill people, also from other faiths, someone not comes in paradise and there are no virgins waiting for murderers of innocent people.

- each leader of an Islamic state should actively uphold the freedom of religion and human rights in his country.

- the peace-loving Moslems fight against the preachers of hate in their mosques or at least boycott them.

If the so-called moderate muslims now not active stand against the islamic nazis, then they are followers who quietly consent the murdering activities in the name of there religion.

Whether that will happen?

The ideology of islam forbids precisely this in many suras and regulations.

What alternatives has still Europe then?

The only remedy is then to stop immediately the islamization of europe and prevent further.

That is the bitter consequence.

The peaceful silent majority does not help in this situation.

Tolerated radicalism among muslims is a breeding ground for right-wing thoughts on the other side. And that will affect them even more.

They have condemned it.

http://www.straitstimes.com/world/middle-east/muslim-gulf-leaders-condemn-nice-attack

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/muslim-clerics-condemn-terrorism_us_566adfa1e4b009377b249dea

http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/commonwordcommonlord/2014/08/think-muslims-havent-condemned-isis-think-again.html

Google is your friend ...for lots more try...

"have muslim leaders condemned Nice"

Every time any member of any other major world religion commits atrocities, do you call for all their co-religionists to condemn the act?

Nah, didnt think so. Doesnt fit your current hateful agenda.

[jaidam]

It would be good if,

- all high standing islamic leaders from all different islamic streams condemn in public terrorism in the name of their religion.

- in all madrassas and islamic schools are clearly stated, that if you kill people, also from other faiths, someone not comes in paradise and there are no virgins waiting for murderers of innocent people.

- each leader of an Islamic state should actively uphold the freedom of religion and human rights in his country.

- the peace-loving Moslems fight against the preachers of hate in their mosques or at least boycott them.

If the so-called moderate muslims now not active stand against the islamic nazis, then they are followers who quietly consent the murdering activities in the name of there religion.

Whether that will happen?

The ideology of islam forbids precisely this in many suras and regulations.

What alternatives has still Europe then?

The only remedy is then to stop immediately the islamization of europe and prevent further.

That is the bitter consequence.

The peaceful silent majority does not help in this situation.

Tolerated radicalism among muslims is a breeding ground for right-wing thoughts on the other side. And that will affect them even more.

They have condemned it.

http://www.straitstimes.com/world/middle-east/muslim-gulf-leaders-condemn-nice-attack

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/muslim-clerics-condemn-terrorism_us_566adfa1e4b009377b249dea

http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/commonwordcommonlord/2014/08/think-muslims-havent-condemned-isis-think-again.html

Google is your friend ...for lots more try...

"have muslim leaders condemned Nice"

Every time any member of any other major world religion commits atrocities, do you call for all their co-religionists to condemn the act?

Nah, didnt think so. Doesnt fit your current hateful agenda.

nice try. But since about a thousand years no other religion has committed atrocities in the name of Jesus Christ (or David Muscavige, or Dalai Lama or John Frum, or .......)think you know that but are trying to get a rise out of sensible members.

[dexterm]

@jaidam

sorry thread full

Again Google is your friend. Try any of these combinations, and you will get hundreds of hits for terrorism committed by all world religions in the name of their particular brand of god

"atrocities terrorism list christianity buddhism Judaism hinduism sikhism mormonism"

Here's one of the first hits...

http://listverse.com/2008/04/02/8-atrocities-committed-in-the-name-of-religion/

Edited July 16, 2016 by ubonjoe
removed inflammatory comments

[DrTuner]

I was wondering why Spain hasn't been a target but France. Wikipedia solved that one for me, it's an old enemy of the caliphate:

Same with Turkey.

[up2u2]

Many people chanting for war against Muslims when it turns out the attack was not motivated by Islamic terrorism at all.

The real threat to world peace is extremist Right Wing war mongers.

It just shows how dangerous Trump would be. He has already declared war on no one in particular. What a dangerous fool he is.

[Prbkk]

Another <deleted> Muslim no doubt. Wanna bet?

No kidding as his first name is Mohamed.

French are stating it was a terrorist attack, going to great length to omit the word Muslim of course.

Hollande: "we are at war with Islamic terrorism", it doesn't get any clearer than that ( although I doubt very much that he is capable of prosecuting that war).

[DrTuner]

The real threat to world peace is extremist Right Wing war mongers.

How many truck have they driven into a crowd? From what I see, they're just hot air.

[FinChin67]

Why he shouted allahu akbar then?

Nice Terror Attack: What They're NOT Telling You

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwp4znSQ3WM

It is possible he was part of some Plot by Extremists. It is also possible he was just some sad Demented person. Who realising he had failed in life decided he would commit suicide in a grandiose way taking as many of the Haves as he saw it in revenge for the life he could not. As to what he is said to have said Maybe he said or people think he yelled it. We do not know. That is all for the authorities to determine.

Rinse and repeat. Dementia seems to target muslims or what?

11-22 March 2012 Shooting 7 5 Toulouse and Montauban shootings, murdering three French paratroopers, a French Rabbi and three French schoolchildren (aged eight, six and three) carried out over a period of 11 days by Mohammed Merah.[1]

23 May 2013 Stabbing 0 1 2013 La Défense attack by an Islamist knifeman against a French soldier in the Paris suburb of La Défense.

20 December 2014 Stabbing 0 3 2014 Tours police station stabbing. A man yelling "Allahu Akbar" attacked a police office in Joué-lès-Tours with a knife. He was killed and 3 police officers were injured.

21 December 2014 Vehicle ramming 0 11 2014 Dijon attack. A man yelling "Allahu Akbar" ran over 11 pedestrians with his vehicle.

22 December 2014 Vehicle ramming 1 10 2014 Nantes attack. A man yelling "Allahu Akbar" ran over 10 pedestrians with his vehicle, killing one, then attempted suicide.

7-9 January 2015 Shooting 20 22 January 2015 Île-de-France attacks, a mass shooting at the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo office in Paris, carried out by Saïd and Chérif Kouachi, two Islamist gunmen who identified themselves as belonging to Al-Qaeda in Yemen.[1] During this period, a third Islamist gunman and close friend of the Kouachi brothers,Amedy Coulibaly was responsible for two shootings and an hostage taking at a Hypercacher kosher market. He said he synchronized his attacks with the Kouachi brothers. Coulibaly had pledged allegiance to the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.

3 February 2015 Stabbing 0 3 3 military men, guarding a Jewish community center in Nice, are attacked by Moussa Coulibaly (not related to the January Coulibaly attacks).

19 April 2015 Shooting 1 0 Unsuccessful attack against 2 churches in Villejuif by an Algerian jihadist. He killed a woman probably when trying to steal her car but accidentally shot himself in the leg, putting an end to his plans.[22]

26 June 2015 Beheading 1 2 Saint-Quentin-Fallavier attack. An Islamist delivery driver probably linked to ISIS decapitated a man and rammed a company van into gas cylinders at the Air Products gas factory in an attempt to blow up the building.

21 August 2015 Shooting and stabbing 0 4 2015 Thalys train attack. An attempted mass shooting occurred on a train traveling from Amsterdam to Paris. Four people were injured, including the assailant who was subdued by other passengers.[23]

13-14 November 2015 Shootings, hostage taking and suicide bombings 130 352 November 2015 Paris attacks. The single deadliest terrorist attack in French history.

1 January 2016 Vehicle ramming 0 2 A man rammed his car twice into 4 soldiers protecting a mosque in Valence. He said he wanted to kill troops and jihadi propaganda images were found on his computer.[25]

7 January 2016 Stabbing 0 1 January 2016 Paris police station attack, a jihadist wearing a fake explosive belt attacked police officers in the Goutte d'Or district in Paris with a meat cleaver, while shouting "Allahu Akbar".

13 June 2016 Stabbing 2 0 2016 Magnanville stabbing, a police officer and his wife, a police secretary, were stabbed to death in their home in Magnanville by a jihadist. ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack.

14 July 2016 Vehicle ramming 84 202 2016 Nice attack, a terrorist used a truck to run over people celebrating the 2016 Bastille Day.

And automatically this is the same? It may well be . But you are making assumptions.

Assumptions ? Sure. Let's see. Again, rinse and repeat. I would say the next happens within two months.

[FinChin67]

Many people chanting for war against Muslims when it turns out the attack was not motivated by Islamic terrorism at all.

The real threat to world peace is extremist Right Wing war mongers.

It just shows how dangerous Trump would be. He has already declared war on no one in particular. What a dangerous fool he is.

Trump any day over Clinton.

Here is something for you to watch again because maybe you skipped earlier...

This is What a Social Justice Warrior Looks Like

Why Social Justice Warriors Are So DEMENTED

Edited July 16, 2016 by FinChin67

[Usernames]

Many people chanting for war against Muslims when it turns out the attack was not motivated by Islamic terrorism at all.

The real threat to world peace is extremist Right Wing war mongers.

It just shows how dangerous Trump would be. He has already declared war on no one in particular. What a dangerous fool he is.

And another silly excuse bites the dust.

Isil claims the attack

Terrorist group Isil have claimed responsibility for the attack.

An Islamic State-run media outlet says the man who drove his truck into a crowd in the French coastal city of Nice is a "soldier" of the group.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/16/nice-terror-attack-truck-driver-who-killed-84-named-as-loner-fre/

[DrTuner]

It's a bit hard to say which ones Daesh have actually bankrolled and which ones are sole nutters taking their cues from them, for which they are happy to take credit for. For practical purposes however it's samesame.

[up2u2]

Many people chanting for war against Muslims when it turns out the attack was not motivated by Islamic terrorism at all.

The real threat to world peace is extremist Right Wing war mongers.

It just shows how dangerous Trump would be. He has already declared war on no one in particular. What a dangerous fool he is.

And another silly excuse bites the dust.

Isil claims the attack

Terrorist group Isil have claimed responsibility for the attack.

An Islamic State-run media outlet says the man who drove his truck into a crowd in the French coastal city of Nice is a "soldier" of the group.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/16/nice-terror-attack-truck-driver-who-killed-84-named-as-loner-fre/

Of course ISIS will claim the killings.

[canuckamuck]

Looks like the Right Wing war mongers are out of luck on this one.

Seems the culprit was just a guy whose world has had the wheels fall off it.

Broken marriage, no future, isolated from society and family, untreated mental illness.

<snip>

This guy had nothing to do with Islam. He didn't even follow its teachings. No more a Muslim than the Pope.

The Right Wing War Mongers thought they had a poster boy to promote their military agenda.

His mental illness was depression which can develop into a serious illness if left untreated.

What these tragedies seem to be highlighting is France's inability to integrate different social / religious immigrants into its society. Large areas of slums with generational high unemployment and limited access to education. Generational exclusion and isolation is not going to turn out to good. Home grown terrorists.

Nothing to do with Islam? Well let's think about that. His name was Mohamed he was born into a Muslim family, the press said he was a Muslim, Oh and he shouted Allah Akbar after killing 84 people watching fireworks. Does that make him Catholic now?

[dexterm]

Looks like the Right Wing war mongers are out of luck on this one.

Seems the culprit was just a guy whose world has had the wheels fall off it.

Broken marriage, no future, isolated from society and family, untreated mental illness.

<snip>

This guy had nothing to do with Islam. He didn't even follow its teachings. No more a Muslim than the Pope.

The Right Wing War Mongers thought they had a poster boy to promote their military agenda.

His mental illness was depression which can develop into a serious illness if left untreated.

What these tragedies seem to be highlighting is France's inability to integrate different social / religious immigrants into its society. Large areas of slums with generational high unemployment and limited access to education. Generational exclusion and isolation is not going to turn out to good. Home grown terrorists.

Nothing to do with Islam? Well let's think about that. His name was Mohamed he was born into a Muslim family, the press said he was a Muslim, Oh and he shouted Allah Akbar after killing 84 people watching fireworks. Does that make him Catholic now?

No. It makes him a nutjob.

But you would clearly like to make this deranged man who never visited a mosque, never observed Ramadan, who ate pork, drank alcohol, took drugs, wore immodest beach shorts, trashed and defecated throughout his wife's home when she asked for a divorce, tore up up his child's teddy bear, had convictions for road rage and assault..as 100% representative of a religion followed by a quarter of the world's population, because it happens to suit your hate filled Islamophobic agenda.

[up2u2]

Looks like the Right Wing war mongers are out of luck on this one.

Seems the culprit was just a guy whose world has had the wheels fall off it.

Broken marriage, no future, isolated from society and family, untreated mental illness.

This guy had nothing to do with Islam. He didn't even follow its teachings. No more a Muslim than the Pope.

The Right Wing War Mongers thought they had a poster boy to promote their military agenda.

His mental illness was depression which can develop into a serious illness if left untreated.

What these tragedies seem to be highlighting is France's inability to integrate different social / religious immigrants into its society. Large areas of slums with generational high unemployment and limited access to education. Generational exclusion and isolation is not going to turn out to good. Home grown terrorists.

Nothing to do with Islam? Well let's think about that. His name was Mohamed he was born into a Muslim family, the press said he was a Muslim, Oh and he shouted Allah Akbar after killing 84 people watching fireworks. Does that make him Catholic now?

So if a son is named Mohamed and has a Muslim family he is an Islamic Terrorist? Fits with your very simplistic world view unfortunately the facts of this guy don't match it. He didn't practice his Islamic religion, he was under psychiatric care, he had just recently been divorced, he drank alcohol and was involved in petty crime, isolated and unhappy not much to look forward to in life and suffering from depression. Loony war mongers would like to distill this persons life down to Mohamed + Muslim family = terrorist but it is not that simple. Sorry you lucked out on this one. Humans are not that simplistic. France has the most Muslims getting involved fighting with ISIS. You have to ask why that is the case.

[FinChin67]

This is one of the delusional idiots:

Federica Mogherini’s remarks at “Call to Europe V: Islam in Europe”, FEPS conference"

http://eeas.europa.eu/statements-eeas/2015/150625_07_en.htm

[canuckamuck]

Nothing to do with Islam? Well let's think about that. His name was Mohamed he was born into a Muslim family, the press said he was a Muslim, Oh and he shouted Allah Akbar after killing 84 people watching fireworks. Does that make him Catholic now?

No. It makes him a nutjob.

But you would clearly like to make this deranged man who never visited a mosque, never observed Ramadan, who ate pork, drank alcohol, took drugs, wore immodest beach shorts, trashed and defecated throughout his wife's home when she asked for a divorce, tore up up his child's teddy bear, had convictions for road rage and assault..as 100% representative of a religion followed by a quarter of the world's population, because it happens to suit your hate filled Islamophobic agenda.

His last words are all you need to know.

And yes I do have a hate filled agenda. I hate people making excuses for mass murderers and a belief system which over and over has resulted in massive death tolls comprised of the weakest and most vulnerable members of society. Maybe your kids will be next.