Obama: Trump ‘woefully unfit’ to be President

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎9‎/‎18‎/‎2016 at 11:18 PM, PTC said:

 

You think that Michael Mansoor would have been standing with them if he had not been killed in Iraq?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_A._Monsoor

 

Wait...There's more.

 

This is what another Medal of Honor awardee, Dakota Meyers, thinks of Trump's claim that he is the only one who can beat ISIS:

 

This, frankly, is the last straw in a high stack of ignorant mob panhandling ideas that have come out of his mouth since he announced his candidacy...Trump claimed that he is, “the worst thing that’s ever happened to ISIS.” The worst thing to happen to ISIS will be the resolve and heroic actions of our servicemen and women deployed there right now, and the thousands more ready to go. The worst thing to happen to ISIS will be a coalition of our allies relentless in their assault on this cowardly terrorist organization. The worst thing to happen to ISIS will be the entire world — including Muslims — coming together to defeat these thugs. Let’s be real — claiming Trump personally is the worst thing to happen to ISIS is more pompous than Obama claiming responsibility for the death of Osama bin Laden.

http://controversialtimes.com/politics/medal-of-honor-recipient-just-blew-trumps-campaign-wide-open/

 

I saw that pack of old men at the Trump PR stunt at his DC hotel. Using these fine, decorated and honored servicemen as window dressing for his tawdry money grubbing ventures and pimping out the event by leaking that there would be an announcement on the birther issue. The creep makes my skin crawl.

Even MOH winners can be wrong.

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎9‎/‎22‎/‎2016 at 2:11 PM, maewang99 said:

Yeah, for instance Trump never expresses his feelings on the Climate issue. Hillary and Obama have. Not only that, but they support international agreements on it, Trump doesn't. This makes me feel good so I will vote for Hillary. Otherwise, 8 more years of doing nothing about infrared radiation trapping CO2 that takes 10 to 40 years to effect the climate (we're still guessing on this number) and thousands of years before it dissipates and is now at a level not seen in more than 3 million years....  might have made me a little apprehensive otherwise... but Hillary's feelings on this topic and the Paris Agreement of 2015 make me think much more optimistically on this issue.  I like that. It lets me feel good.  And especially since it included a blanket exemption for aviation and shipping... which we now know will be solved by converting airplanes to biofuels. That also makes me feel good. I like those feelings. Otherwise I would be really really worried. I might even get upset about it.   

which we now know will be solved by converting airplanes to biofuels.

So you support the wholesale conversion of arable land in poor countries so rich westerners can fly around the world to sun themselves in exotic destinations while poor people in those countries go hungry.

If the western leaders like Obama actually believe that carbon caused G W, they would actually DO something, like banning rich westerners from wasting fuel flying to exotic countries to sun themselves and buy stupid souveniers. That Obama does nothing, and Hillary has not used real policies on the campaign trail indicates to me that they are not serious about it ( unless an excuse to raise taxes ).

[Ulysses G.]

11 hours ago, Andaman Al said:

 

Ulysses, out of the 176 points given are there any you question the validity of?

 

This may come as a shock, but I pretty much ignore anything posted by certain posters who are overly partisan. They rarely have anything worthwhile to say and that usually includes the sources they reference. Anyway, I can not access videos right now.

[Andaman Al]

1 hour ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

This may come as a shock, but I pretty much ignore anything posted by certain posters who are overly partisan. They rarely have anything worthwhile to say and that usually includes the sources they reference. Anyway, I can not access videos right now.

But the source is on the video's, the reference is there and they are all main stream media, just like Fox or is that too much of a shock also. And I am not partisan anything, I am trying to understand the techniques of mass hypnotism than can make millions follow the Trump.

 

OK, how about this one. I need to understand Trump voters and what makes you tick. (The reference for this is the Daily Show, Jordan Klepper - OK). Is this what you are like? If it is I can then kind of understand what is going on with all this Trump support. I am just shocked that 42% of a super powers population may fall into this class. Now do try and get to the video's you are missing out on so much accurate information.

 

 

Edited September 23, 2016 by Andaman Al

[Ulysses G.]

5 minutes ago, Andaman Al said:

But the source is on the video's, the reference is there and they are all main stream media, just like Fox or is that too much of a shock also. And I am not partisan anything, I am trying to understand the techniques of mass hypnotism than can make millions follow the Trump.

 

OK, how about this one. I need to understand Trump voters and what makes you tick. (The reference for this is the Daily Show, Jordan Klepper - OK). Is this what you are like? If it is I can then kind of understand what is going on with all this Trump support. I am just shocked that 42% of a super powers population may fall into this class. Now do try and get to the video's you are missing out on so much accurate information.

 

 

 

It is blocked on the computer that I am using. Judging from other posts, I doubt if I am missing much.

Edited September 23, 2016 by Ulysses G.

[Bob9]

15 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

It is blocked on the computer that I am using. Judging from other posts, I doubt if I am missing much.

 

You missed nothing at all.  Another looney left media outlet peddling Trump bashing rubbish.  

Apparently HRC has had pnuemonia for years - anything else is just Trump crackpots theorising about HRC's health.

Mmmmmmmmmm - now let me think a bit.  

 

This all started when she had 3 months 'off-line' because of a fall - had severe concussion and couldn't front the Benghazi investigation - blood clots in the brain were ascertained (now takes blood thinners) - diagnosed with hypothyroidism - frequent dizzy spells - etc etc etc. And then the 9/11 episode when she was forced to be in public because she had no choice but to appear at such an 'event' - and she was unable to stay and collapsed on the way to the special 'medical van' (which was clearly lined up just in case).  

 

I guess that all makes sense and that HRC is fine. She is 69 and campaigning can be very stressful, so a bout of pneumonia is not unreasonable.  But that still leaves me asking a few questions (call me skeptical):  

1. Why does she 'disappear' for days at a time ?

2. Will she now be more 'visible' after pnumonia treatment?

3.  Will she hold a few more public meetings in many Cities - maybe even a few open press conferences?

4. Does she have the stamina and strength to hold the most powerful office in the world? - look how much it has aged Obama (and others).

5.  Maybe it is just asking too much for such a frail old lady to be POTUS ??

 

Trump (70) is older than HRC, but he is much more active - he is always in/on the media and is holding public meetings with huge crowds nearly every day all over the country.  Clearly he in much better health and has the stamina and energy that is needed to be POTUS.  Maybe HRC doesn't.  

 

Is that a fair assessment, or am I being a crackpot Trump supporter?  Is it OK to be POTUS for 3-4 days a week??  Bill can take over on the other days when HRC is feeling unwell 

 

 

 

 

[Jingthing]

Crackpot. You asked. 

[Andaman Al]

17 minutes ago, Bob9 said:

You missed nothing at all.  Another looney left media outlet peddling Trump bashing rubbish.  

 

Nobody was bashing any Trump supporter. They all gave themselves a complete bashing, they didn't need any help from left-wing, right-wing, no-wing.

[PTC]

37 minutes ago, Bob9 said:

 

You missed nothing at all.  Another looney left media outlet peddling Trump bashing rubbish.  

Apparently HRC has had pnuemonia for years - anything else is just Trump crackpots theorising about HRC's health.

Mmmmmmmmmm - now let me think a bit.  

 

This all started when she had 3 months 'off-line' because of a fall - had severe concussion and couldn't front the Benghazi investigation - blood clots in the brain were ascertained (now takes blood thinners) - diagnosed with hypothyroidism - frequent dizzy spells - etc etc etc. And then the 9/11 episode when she was forced to be in public because she had no choice but to appear at such an 'event' - and she was unable to stay and collapsed on the way to the special 'medical van' (which was clearly lined up just in case).  

 

I guess that all makes sense and that HRC is fine. She is 69 and campaigning can be very stressful, so a bout of pneumonia is not unreasonable.  But that still leaves me asking a few questions (call me skeptical):  

1. Why does she 'disappear' for days at a time ?

2. Will she now be more 'visible' after pnumonia treatment?

3.  Will she hold a few more public meetings in many Cities - maybe even a few open press conferences?

4. Does she have the stamina and strength to hold the most powerful office in the world? - look how much it has aged Obama (and others).

5.  Maybe it is just asking too much for such a frail old lady to be POTUS ??

 

Trump (70) is older than HRC, but he is much more active - he is always in/on the media and is holding public meetings with huge crowds nearly every day all over the country.  Clearly he in much better health and has the stamina and energy that is needed to be POTUS.  Maybe HRC doesn't.  

 

Is that a fair assessment, or am I being a crackpot Trump supporter?  Is it OK to be POTUS for 3-4 days a week??  Bill can take over on the other days when HRC is feeling unwell 

 

 

 

 

 

It all becomes clear now. You have a thing for her. Those questions and your speculation, shall we say fantasizing, about Hillary borders on cyber stalking. Well, to each their own Bob.

 

On the issue of your crackpotism, let me tell you how this works. Somebody asks a question and then the answers are televised. It matters not the political persuasion of the person asking the question or the organization for which that person works. The only person responsible for the answers is the person answering the question. These answers stand on their own. Since you clearly have a problem understanding this concept, I post the VDO segment of Jordan Klepper asking Trump supporters questions. You can see that the Trump supporters bash themselves.

 

Before posting the link, I must say that I am quite disappointed. I had assumed that the key outcome of the whole Hillary is dying thing is that the poorly education Trump supporters had learned to spell pneumonia. Seems I was wrong. You do realize that the whole Hillary is dying thing is so last week. Please try to keep up.

 

 

And yes Bob. You are most certainly a crackpot.

[Skywalker69]

4 hours ago, Andaman Al said:

But the source is on the video's, the reference is there and they are all main stream media, just like Fox or is that too much of a shock also. And I am not partisan anything, I am trying to understand the techniques of mass hypnotism than can make millions follow the Trump.

 

OK, how about this one. I need to understand Trump voters and what makes you tick. (The reference for this is the Daily Show, Jordan Klepper - OK). Is this what you are like? If it is I can then kind of understand what is going on with all this Trump support. I am just shocked that 42% of a super powers population may fall into this class. Now do try and get to the video's you are missing out on so much accurate information.

 

 

Once again they proof themself morons! 

[Skywalker69]

4 hours ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

It is blocked on the computer that I am using. Judging from other posts, I doubt if I am missing much.

Quote

 I doubt if I am missing much.

Birds of a feather.

[Alive]

I wonder what all this back and forth results in for the race. Does it help or just give people high blood pressure. Maybe some of the old folks who would vote will die off from hearts attacks due to all the stress of defending their person prior to November.

[Skywalker69]

Brian Ross ABC News Report: 100s of Millions of Dollars Paid to Donald Trump by Russian Oligarchs.

 

Incredible blockbuster reporting by Brian Ross. He even interviewed and got on record that Trump has received 100s of millions of dollars from Russian oligarchs! Trump even invited a reported Russian Mafia figure to one of his events, per the report. 

Now we know why he praises Putin and wants to normalize relations with Russia.

 

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/9/22/1573201/-Brian-Ross-ABC-News-Report-100s-of-Millions-of-dollars-paid-to-Donald-Trump-by-Russian-Oligarchs

[Freakin Musashi]

2 hours ago, PTC said:

 

It all becomes clear now. You have a thing for her. Those questions and your speculation, shall we say fantasizing, about Hillary borders on cyber stalking. Well, to each their own Bob.

 

On the issue of your crackpotism, let me tell you how this works. Somebody asks a question and then the answers are televised. It matters not the political persuasion of the person asking the question or the organization for which that person works. The only person responsible for the answers is the person answering the question. These answers stand on their own. Since you clearly have a problem understanding this concept, I post the VDO segment of Jordan Klepper asking Trump supporters questions. You can see that the Trump supporters bash themselves.

 

Before posting the link, I must say that I am quite disappointed. I had assumed that the key outcome of the whole Hillary is dying thing is that the poorly education Trump supporters had learned to spell pneumonia. Seems I was wrong. You do realize that the whole Hillary is dying thing is so last week. Please try to keep up.

 

 

And yes Bob. You are most certainly a crackpot.

 

On 8/2/2016 at 8:20 PM, up-country_sinclair said:

 

It would be interesting to know how often Trump voted in the last 20 years.  Surely that information is available.

I wonder how many of you are Brits. You don't have a dog in this fight, do you?

[iReason]

AP-GfK Poll: Majority of Americans fear Trump presidency 

"More than half the country fears a Trump presidency. And only about a third of Americans believe he is at least somewhat qualified to serve in the White House."

"Moreover, most voters oppose the hard-line approach to immigration that is a centerpiece of the billionaire businessman's campaign."

"Only 29 percent of registered voters would be excited and just 24 percent would be proud should Trump prevail in November. Only one in four voters find him even somewhat civil or compassionate, and just a third say he's not at all racist." 

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ba077399b8db4fc282127aca3a12d877/ap-gfk-poll-majority-americans-fear-trump-presidency

 

The Deplorable Minority. 

 

 

[iReason]

Report: Trump proposals would add $5.3 trillion to debt

"A new analysis from a nonpartisan group finds that Donald Trump's latest tax proposals would increase the federal debt by $5.3 trillion over the next decade, compared with $200 billion if Hillary Clinton's ideas were enacted."

"The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget looked at Trump's newly revised tax plan as well as other proposals."

"Several economists have projected that Trump's economic agenda — especially his restrictions on immigration and trade would slow economic growth and possibly cause a recession."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/516c98c4b9274644a6b3be1a370977d0/report-trump-proposals-would-add-53-trillion-debt

[Scott]

1 hour ago, Freakin Musashi said:

 

I wonder how many of you are Brits. You don't have a dog in this fight, do you?

Members are welcome to post regardless of their nationality.  

[JDGRUEN]

Ted Cruz endorses Trump citing 6 reasons that Hillary Clinton must be opposed.   In his six points Cruz points out why Trump's policies are absolutely necessary and HRC's would be a total disaster. 

 

These six reasons are why tens of millions of Americans find Trump to be totally fit to become President while HRC is woefully unfit for much of anything.   The Ted Cruz Facebook page is the only site to have his statement in its entirety that I could find.   The link I posted produced the citing below.  I would post the entire text but do not believe it would be allowed. 

 

By the way this endorsement will bring about even much greater Trump support among Conservatives in America 

 

 

 

[Publicus]

16 minutes ago, iReason said:

AP-GfK Poll: Majority of Americans fear Trump presidency 

"More than half the country fears a Trump presidency. And only about a third of Americans believe he is at least somewhat qualified to serve in the White House."

"Moreover, most voters oppose the hard-line approach to immigration that is a centerpiece of the billionaire businessman's campaign."

"Only 29 percent of registered voters would be excited and just 24 percent would be proud should Trump prevail in November. Only one in four voters find him even somewhat civil or compassionate, and just a third say he's not at all racist." 

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ba077399b8db4fc282127aca3a12d877/ap-gfk-poll-majority-americans-fear-trump-presidency

 

The Deplorable Minority. 

 

 

 

Yes but there are four guyz in the race (that matter in one way or another).

 

It is the two party vote that matters, i.e., how Republicans vote in ratio to how Democrats vote (or vice-versa).

 

In other words, if D's and R's vote 50-50 for HRC and Trump, and if Independents vote 51-49% for Trump, Trump would significantly increase his probability to win. The exact Electoral College Vote would show the winner and it would be close. (Or it would be (remotely) conceivable neither the D nor the R could achieve the 270 ECV necessary to win at the polls.) 

 

The rule is almost absolute: The winner of the two-party vote wins election as Potus. Let's look at the record:

 

*In 1988 the Potus election winner GHW Bush won 53.9% of the two-party vote (a blowout open seat election without any 'third' candidate).

*In 1992, Bill Clinton won 53.5% of the two party vote (43.0% of the national popular vote due to Ross Perot getting 19% of the national popular vote, but zero ECVs).

*In 1996 Clinton won 54.7% of the two party vote.

*Al Gore in 2000 is the rare exception -- he lost in getting only 50.3% of the two party vote. Too many D Party voters just did not see a dime's worth of difference between Gore and GW.

*In 2004 GW Bush was reelected after getting 51.2% of the two party vote.

Barack Obama in 2008 blew out John McCain in winning 53.7% of the two party vote.

Obama did it again in 2012 by winning 52.0% of the two party vote.

 

The average difference in the two party vote over these elections has been 5.5%. The median is 6.9%. Which is why the HRC campaign organisation is focused on getting Democrats to the polls on Election Day, Tuesday November 8th. And Election Day is what it shall be.

 

Hillary Clinton's two party vote in November is going to look like Bill Clinton's win in 1992. Although HRC will likely get 44% to 46% of the national popular vote in this four-way contest (still too soon to determine which), she still wins because she is going to get at least 52% of the two party vote. She well might get Bill's 1992 two party vote of 53.5% (or 53.0% of it).

 

So-called Independent voters do not matter much if at all. Obama won Independents comfortably in 2008 then narrowly lost the Independent voters to Romney in 2012 (51-49), but OB won each election no problem. 

 

Just sayin.

[Publicus]

36 minutes ago, JDGRUEN said:

Ted Cruz endorses Trump citing 6 reasons that Hillary Clinton must be opposed.   In his six points Cruz points out why Trump's policies are absolutely necessary and HRC's would be a total disaster. 

 

These six reasons are why tens of millions of Americans find Trump to be totally fit to become President while HRC is woefully unfit for much of anything.   The Ted Cruz Facebook page is the only site to have his statement in its entirety that I could find.   The link I posted produced the citing below.  I would post the entire text but do not believe it would be allowed. 

 

By the way this endorsement will bring about even much greater Trump support among Conservatives in America 

 

 

 

 

Ted Cruz has less impact on this election than Vladimir Putin does -- Putin impacts it far more than Cruz ever could.

 

Why?

 

Because Trump likes Putin as the strongman leader while Trump dismisses Cruz as a nobody. "Lyin' Ted."

 

Conservatives have anyway made clear their choice between 'Lyin' Hillary the 'crook' or 'honest' Vlad would be Vlad hands down.

 

Go for it.

[Andaman Al]

6 hours ago, Freakin Musashi said:

 

I wonder how many of you are Brits. You don't have a dog in this fight, do you?

 

And that displays pretty much the knowledge level of the Trump supporters in the videos. Because of the foreign policies, nuclear arsenal and military industrial complex in the USA, EVERY man woman and child on this planet has a dog in this race !!! I so wish it were not so! Please build the wall - all the way around.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, Andaman Al said:

But the source is on the video's, the reference is there and they are all main stream media, just like Fox or is that too much of a shock also. And I am not partisan anything, I am trying to understand the techniques of mass hypnotism than can make millions follow the Trump.

 

OK, how about this one. I need to understand Trump voters and what makes you tick. (The reference for this is the Daily Show, Jordan Klepper - OK). Is this what you are like? If it is I can then kind of understand what is going on with all this Trump support. I am just shocked that 42% of a super powers population may fall into this class. Now do try and get to the video's you are missing out on so much accurate information.

 

 

I find it hard to believe that anyone doesn't know why so many support Trump. It's not that they love Trump the man so much, it's because he is their only hope for an end to the cabal of GOP/ Dems that have ruled the USA for so long. Get this- they HATE the government, and that is both sides of the aisle.

I'm not going into the reasons, as that would take too long, but google is your friend.

Many would never vote for Trump if there was a decent opponent, but HRC is the embodiment of those that consider themselves the elite and destined to rule the US forever. In short, they would vote for a baboon if it kept HRC out of the presidency.

Consider this- the Bushes hate Trump because he challenges THEIR seat at the trough table. They would probably rather have 1% HRC as president than Trump who opposes everything they believe they are entitled to.

[Silurian]

4 hours ago, iReason said:

AP-GfK Poll: Majority of Americans fear Trump presidency 

"More than half the country fears a Trump presidency. And only about a third of Americans believe he is at least somewhat qualified to serve in the White House."

"Moreover, most voters oppose the hard-line approach to immigration that is a centerpiece of the billionaire businessman's campaign."

"Only 29 percent of registered voters would be excited and just 24 percent would be proud should Trump prevail in November. Only one in four voters find him even somewhat civil or compassionate, and just a third say he's not at all racist." 

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ba077399b8db4fc282127aca3a12d877/ap-gfk-poll-majority-americans-fear-trump-presidency

 

The Deplorable Minority. 

 

 

 

Now I think I understand how Trump will get Mexico to pay for the wall. Americans living under a Trump presidency will try to flee abroad including going to Mexico thus forcing Mexico to build a wall to stem the tide. Brilliant!

Edited September 24, 2016 by Silurian

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, Publicus said:

 

Yes but there are four guyz in the race (that matter in one way or another).

 

It is the two party vote that matters, i.e., how Republicans vote in ratio to how Democrats vote (or vice-versa).

 

In other words, if D's and R's vote 50-50 for HRC and Trump, and if Independents vote 51-49% for Trump, Trump would significantly increase his probability to win. The exact Electoral College Vote would show the winner and it would be close. (Or it would be (remotely) conceivable neither the D nor the R could achieve the 270 ECV necessary to win at the polls.) 

 

The rule is almost absolute: The winner of the two-party vote wins election as Potus. Let's look at the record:

 

*In 1988 the Potus election winner GHW Bush won 53.9% of the two-party vote (a blowout open seat election without any 'third' candidate).

*In 1992, Bill Clinton won 53.5% of the two party vote (43.0% of the national popular vote due to Ross Perot getting 19% of the national popular vote, but zero ECVs).

*In 1996 Clinton won 54.7% of the two party vote.

*Al Gore in 2000 is the rare exception -- he lost in getting only 50.3% of the two party vote. Too many D Party voters just did not see a dime's worth of difference between Gore and GW.

*In 2004 GW Bush was reelected after getting 51.2% of the two party vote.

Barack Obama in 2008 blew out John McCain in winning 53.7% of the two party vote.

Obama did it again in 2012 by winning 52.0% of the two party vote.

 

The average difference in the two party vote over these elections has been 5.5%. The median is 6.9%. Which is why the HRC campaign organisation is focused on getting Democrats to the polls on Election Day, Tuesday November 8th. And Election Day is what it shall be.

 

Hillary Clinton's two party vote in November is going to look like Bill Clinton's win in 1992. Although HRC will likely get 44% to 46% of the national popular vote in this four-way contest (still too soon to determine which), she still wins because she is going to get at least 52% of the two party vote. She well might get Bill's 1992 two party vote of 53.5% (or 53.0% of it).

 

So-called Independent voters do not matter much if at all. Obama won Independents comfortably in 2008 then narrowly lost the Independent voters to Romney in 2012 (51-49), but OB won each election no problem. 

 

Just sayin.

Well done. That must be the first post you have made that isn't just an anti Trump rant. Keep it up, and you might get some respect for your viewpoint.

Indeed, the election will be what it will be. I expect the debates to be the decider ( in the absence of a Hillary melt down, or arrest ). Whoever loses their cool will likely be the loser in November. It happened to Nixon, who won on radio and lost on tv.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, iReason said:

Report: Trump proposals would add $5.3 trillion to debt

"A new analysis from a nonpartisan group finds that Donald Trump's latest tax proposals would increase the federal debt by $5.3 trillion over the next decade, compared with $200 billion if Hillary Clinton's ideas were enacted."

"The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget looked at Trump's newly revised tax plan as well as other proposals."

"Several economists have projected that Trump's economic agenda — especially his restrictions on immigration and trade would slow economic growth and possibly cause a recession."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/516c98c4b9274644a6b3be1a370977d0/report-trump-proposals-would-add-53-trillion-debt

That's what they were saying about Brexit. They were wrong then too.

[Andaman Al]

20 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I find it hard to believe that anyone doesn't know why so many support Trump. It's not that they love Trump the man so much, it's because he is their only hope for an end to the cabal of GOP/ Dems that have ruled the USA for so long. Get this- they HATE the government, and that is both sides of the aisle.

I'm not going into the reasons, as that would take too long, but google is your friend.

Many would never vote for Trump if there was a decent opponent, but HRC is the embodiment of those that consider themselves the elite and destined to rule the US forever. In short, they would vote for a baboon if it kept HRC out of the presidency.

Consider this- the Bushes hate Trump because he challenges THEIR seat at the trough table. They would probably rather have 1% HRC as president than Trump who opposes everything they believe they are entitled to.

 

But there IS an alternative. It is written that 70% of Americans do not know who Johnson/Weld are, yet they are very successful Governors and have excellent policies. They should be presented as part of the debate. If the TV only give air time to two oxygen thieves then that is the only choice you will ever have, Breaking the mold is not just a case of voting in an utter idiot and hoping things get better, The PEOPLE have to refuse to accept this situation. If EVERY voter stayed away on 9 Nov then the message would be well received and power would be back in the hands of the people.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

7 minutes ago, Andaman Al said:

 

But there IS an alternative. It is written that 70% of Americans do not know who Johnson/Weld are, yet they are very successful Governors and have excellent policies. They should be presented as part of the debate. If the TV only give air time to two oxygen thieves then that is the only choice you will ever have, Breaking the mold is not just a case of voting in an utter idiot and hoping things get better, The PEOPLE have to refuse to accept this situation. If EVERY voter stayed away on 9 Nov then the message would be well received and power would be back in the hands of the people.

 

I can dream too.

If 90% of the voters stayed away, the one that gets 5.1% of the vote wins.

[Publicus]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Well done. That must be the first post you have made that isn't just an anti Trump rant. Keep it up, and you might get some respect for your viewpoint.

Indeed, the election will be what it will be. I expect the debates to be the decider ( in the absence of a Hillary melt down, or arrest ). Whoever loses their cool will likely be the loser in November. It happened to Nixon, who won on radio and lost on tv.

 

Well done. That must be the first post you have made that isn't just an anti Trump rant.

 

You may have me confused with Ted Cruz. It sounds strange I know, but the tear it down crowd that also likes walls are both confused and rightwhinge.

 

 

Keep it up, and you might get some respect for your viewpoint.

 

Not looking for respect from the lunatic rightwhinge now or ever. Just generally being accurate, reasonable and rational does the trick for this poster. Hence my long standing observation that Donald Trump running for Potus has from day one shown he is The Ignoramus of the United States. It's obvious and it is simply true.

 

Looking forward to the debates that launch on Monday (Tuesday here). HRC has resumed her comfortable lead in the polls going in to the debates. I expect Trump will try to appear presidential. Fidel Castro presidential is the most Trump can muster. Still however, that would be an improvement over his clown show thus far.

 

Reality is that the race has now taken its final shape. The debates will simply roll the ball steadily forward to and over the finish line in November. Trump not only has no brains, he hasn't any legs either. It's over. Picture the backside of Trump going up the escalator into the maw of Trump Tower. Coming again soon. Make a good set of bookends momento from the 2016 historic campaign for Potus.

 

 

[Publicus]

2 hours ago, Andaman Al said:

 

But there IS an alternative. It is written that 70% of Americans do not know who Johnson/Weld are, yet they are very successful Governors and have excellent policies. They should be presented as part of the debate. If the TV only give air time to two oxygen thieves then that is the only choice you will ever have, Breaking the mold is not just a case of voting in an utter idiot and hoping things get better, The PEOPLE have to refuse to accept this situation. If EVERY voter stayed away on 9 Nov then the message would be well received and power would be back in the hands of the people.

 

 

With due respect of the thrust of the post, it won't hold up.

 

The greater the difference between the two major party candidates, the more people want to cast their vote for one or the other.

 

This is a historic and momentous election. It's in the nature of the 1860 choice between Abraham Lincoln and what'shisname who Lincoln defeated. Without predicting some kind of civil war, no election since has had more significance for the present and the future of the United States than this one has. And to the world besides, which is a far greater additional factor than existed at the time of Lincoln's election. 

 

The electing of Barack Obama was a confirmation of the Lincoln presidency. Election of Hillary Clinton will complement the election of Lincoln and it will cement the election of Barack Obama and his legacy. It is no less of an election than this.

 

Voters want to go on the record in this kind of an election of a great and historic significance. From ten to seven days out from election day November 8th, the loose ends on the voting margins will turn again to the fundamental choice we all face (and welcome), i.e., Clinton or Trump.

 

Rest assured we will welcome you.

[thaibeachlovers]

21 minutes ago, Publicus said:

 

With due respect of the thrust of the post, it won't hold up.

 

The greater the difference between the two major party candidates, the more people want to cast their vote for one or the other.

 

This is a historic and momentous election. It's in the nature of the 1860 choice between Abraham Lincoln and what'shisname who Lincoln defeated. Without predicting some kind of civil war, no election since has had more significance for the present and the future of the United States than this one has. And to the world besides, which is a far greater additional factor than existed at the time of Lincoln's election. 

 

The electing of Barack Obama was a confirmation of the Lincoln presidency. Election of Hillary Clinton will complement the election of Lincoln and it will cement the election of Barack Obama and his legacy. It is no less of an election than this.

 

Voters want to go on the record in this kind of an election of a great and historic significance. From ten to seven days out from election day November 8th, the loose ends on the voting margins will turn again to the fundamental choice we all face (and welcome), i.e., Clinton or Trump.

 

Rest assured we will welcome you.

IMO if HRC is elected Lincoln will be spinning in his mausoleum.