Duterte tells Obama 'you can go to hell'

[webfact]

Duterte tells Obama 'you can go to hell,' warns of breakup 
JIM GOMEZ, Associated Press

 

MANILA, Philippines (AP) — Philippine leader Rodrigo Duterte told President Barack Obama "you can go to hell" in a speech Tuesday that was his strongest tirade so far against the U.S. over its criticism of his deadly anti-drug campaign, adding that he may eventually decide to "break up with America."

 

He also lashed out anew at the European Union, saying the bloc, which has also criticized his brutal crackdown, "better choose purgatory, hell is filled up."

 

Since becoming president in June, Duterte has had an uneasy relationship with the U.S. and with Obama and has declared intentions to bolster relations with China and Russia as he revamps Philippine foreign policy that has long leaned on Washington.

 

The brash-speaking leader also has been hypersensitive to criticism over his anti-drug crackdown, which has left more than an estimated 3,000 suspected drug dealers and pushers dead in just three months, alarming the United Nations, the EU, the U.S. and human rights watchdogs.

 

In a speech before a local convention attended by officials and business executives, Duterteoutlined his disappointments with the U.S., which has asked his government to stop the widespread killings and has questioned whether human rights are being violated. He also described Washington as an unreliable ally, saying Filipino forces have not benefited from joint combat exercises with U.S. troops.

 

"Instead of helping us, the first to criticize is this State Department, so you can go to hell, Mr. Obama, you can go to hell," Duterte said. Then addressing the EU, he said: "Better choose purgatory, hell is filled up."

 

In a later speech at a synagogue in Makati city in the Manila metropolis, Duterte warned he may decide to "break up with America" in his most serious threat so far to push relations back with Washington.

 

"Eventually I might, in my time, I will break up with America," he said without elaborating. "I would rather go to Russia and to China."

 

In Washington, White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Tuesday that the U.S. had not received any official request from Duterte or any other Philippine official to alter any aspect of bilateral cooperation.

 

"This is an alliance that is robust and that benefits both of our countries," Earnest said. "Even as we protect this strong alliance, the administration and the United States of America will not hesitate to raise our concerns about extra-judicial killings. We remain deeply concerned by reports of widespread extrajudicial killings by or at the behest of government authorities in the Philippines. The use of that kind of tactic is entirely inconsistent with universal human rights and the shared values of our two countries."

 

Duterte has given assurances that he would not abrogate a 1951 Mutual Defense Treaty with the U.S. and will maintain the long alliance with America, one of his country's largest trading partners and provider of development and military aid and defense equipment.

 

The U.S. has expressed concern over the extrajudicial killings and urged Duterte's government to ensure law enforcement efforts comply with human rights obligations. Last month, Obama canceled a planned first meeting with Duterte on the sidelines of an Asian summit in Laos after the Filipino leader blurted "son of a bitch" in warning the U.S. leader not to lecture him on human rights ahead of their meeting. Duterte later expressed regrets over his remarks.

 

Angered by U.S. criticism, Duterte has made a series of public pronouncements that he could scale back the activities and presence of visiting U.S. troops in the country.

 

Last week, Duterte said the joint U.S.-Philippine combat exercises to be held this week, the first of his presidency, would also be the last of his tenure. The exercises, centering on amphibious landing drills, started Tuesday under some uncertainty because of those remarks.

 

Marine commanders from both sides said at the opening ceremony that the exercises, involving 1,100 American and 400 Filipino military personnel, are aimed at improving readiness by the two countries to respond to a range of crises while deepening their historic ties.

 

U.S. Embassy officials said Washington has not been formally notified by the Philippine government of any move to scrap other planned drills. Such a move by the Philippines would impede Washington's plans to expand the footprint of U.S. forces in Southeast Asia to counter China.

 

A Philippine military spokesman for the ongoing exercises, Capt. Ryan Lacuesta, sidestepped the question of whether Duterte's remarks have affected the troops and the atmosphere of the drills.

 

U.S. Marine Brig. Gen. John Jansen said that aside from promoting regional security, the exercises have helped save lives in terms of fostering more rapid and organized responses to disasters like Typhoon Haiyan in 2013.

 

"Our alliance remains a key source of stability in the Asia-Pacific region," Jansen said, expressing confidence "that we will continue to build our partnership and capabilities together."

 

While the Obama administration maintains that its alliance with the Philippines remains "ironclad," a senior U.S. diplomat cautioned Duterte last week against more anti-U.S. posturing. Many of Duterte's stunning pronouncements have typically been walked back by other Philippines officials.

 

"I think it would be a serious mistake in a democratic country like the Philippines to underestimate the power of the public's affinity for the U.S. That's people power," Assistant Secretary of State Daniel Russel told The Associated Press.

 

Russel did not draw a direct comparison, but past Philippine presidents have been toppled by popular protests dubbed "people power," including former dictator Ferdinand Marcos, who was ousted in 1986.

 

-- © Associated Press 2016-10-05

[vadid]

Wow! This guy makes Trump sound like Mother Theresa.

[Anthony5]

9 minutes ago, webfact said:

"I think it would be a serious mistake in a democratic country like the Philippines to underestimate the power of the public's affinity for the U.S. That's people power," Assistant Secretary of State Daniel Russel told The Associated Press.

 

So I guess the CIA machine, to set up the Philippine people against their elected leader, will be started up now because everyone in the world should crawl over the floor with head down for the US.

 

Good on you Duterte, show them you're not in the league of double faced sheep that govern all over the world, and that you have the right to lead your country without involvement of the US.

[fruitman]

The Philipines are not a safe place, if that's because of drugs i support this new leader whatever his plans are.

 

If Obama or the EU has issues with his way of changing the country for the better then indeed they can go to hell. It's easy speaking from out of a safe country, they should go to Manila and take a walk around there without bodyguards. Bet they don't dare it.

[canuckamuck]

Obama doesn't Duterte's permission, he sold his soul long ago.

[redhorsebeer]

2 things:
1. Duterte has openly announced when he ran for president, that he is a socialist. He has no respect for oligarchy and nations that have a habit of meddling in affairs of smaller nations. He is a commoner and like the usual people of the street, talk vulgar and use profanity just like ordinary people. He avoids hypocrisy so he tells things as he sees it, be it factual or not, be it unstatesman-like or not.
2. His Left leaning tendencies make him want to ally with Russia and China, but as a Filipino he still has "some" respect for the US as long as the US does the following:
     a. Apologize publicly for killing people of Muslim ethnic groups in the Philippines 100 years ago, to heal some deep wounds still being felt today.
     b. Investigate/Talk first to the Philippine government about Drug-related deaths due to his Anti-drug campaign, instead of accusing publicly and relying on unverified/slanted news report. For most unexplained drug-related deaths are either not really drug-related or just attributed to it to distract investigators from finding the real motive for killing.
     c. If you're going to be a "real" ally and USE the Philippines for strengthening US control/visibility in the Asia Pacific region, don't just give out outdated/scrap military equipment and spare change for military aid. You have chosen Israel to receive most of the millions of dollars in military aid, egypt and some african countries, yet you just give the Philippines (a country you once subjugated and occupied immediately after the Spanish for half a century) a miniscule of that moolah? I mean, that's just being mean, especially you're forcing them to antagonize China, who has never even invaded the Philippines out of respect for being a trading partner for centuries.

     

Edited October 5, 2016 by redhorsebeer

[Laughing Gravy]

Lets see how long this chap lasts. I suspect not very long. As much as I am not an Obama fan, I believe he has not learned the game of politics and how to conduct oneself. I give him a few years at best.

[Strange]

2 minutes ago, redhorsebeer said:

2 things:
1. Duterte has openly announced when he ran for president, that he is a socialist. He has no respect for oligarchy and nations that have a habit of meddling in affairs of smaller nations. He is a commoner and like the usual people of the street, talk vulgar and use profanity just like ordinary people. He avoids hypocrisy so he tells things as he sees it, be it factual or not, be it unstatesman-like or not.
2. His Left leaning tendencies make him want to ally with Russia and China, but as a Filipino he still has "some" respect for the US as long as the US does the following:
     a. Apologize publicly for killing people of Muslim ethnic groups in the Philippines 100 years ago, to heal some deep wounds still being felt today.
     b. Investigate/Talk first to the Philippine government about Drug-related deaths due to his Anti-drug campaign, instead of accusing publicly and relying on unverified/slanted         news report. For most unexplained drug-related deaths are either not really drug-related or just attributed to it to distract investigators from finding the real motives.
     c. If you're going to be a "real" ally and USE the Philippines for strengthening US control/visibility in the Asia Pacific region, don't just give out outdated/scrap military
          equipment and spare change for military aid. You have chosen Israel to receive most of the millions of dollars in military aid, egypt and some african countries, yet you
          just give the Philippines (a country you once subjugated and occupied immediately after the Spanish for half a century) a miniscule of that moolah? I mean, that's just
          being mean, especially you're forcing them to antagonize China, who has never even invaded the Philippines out of respect of being a trading partner for centuries.

 

Pilipino Detected. 

 

So you are ok with murder in the thousands outside of a court of law? How many of these thousands were innocents? 

 

Its best you provide actual data in the form of links to external sites for review. Seems like you may be drinking the Duterte cool-aid a little too heavily. 

[Anthony5]

9 minutes ago, Strange said:

So you are ok with murder in the thousands outside of a court of law?

 

With thousands murdered outside a court of law, do you mean the drug addicts indirectly murdered by the dealers?

 

 

[redhorsebeer]

2 minutes ago, Strange said:

 

Pilipino Detected. 

 

So you are ok with murder in the thousands outside of a court of law? How many of these thousands were innocents? 

 

Its best you provide actual data in the form of links to external sites for review. Seems like you may be drinking the Duterte cool-aid a little too heavily. 

http://www.thinkingpinoy.net/2016/08/debunking-inquirers-kill-list-part-1-of.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awZjRfOuQnI
https://www.facebook.com/CanThoughtExperiment/videos/1396103513752491/

 

Easy for you to say, you haven't experienced what it is like living in Manila. 
More than half of those murders were not even POLICE operations, but mysterious killings that are under investigation.
Vigilante Squads? A creation of political opponents who want to oust him and replace him with the VP who is of their political party.
And MORE of these killings have already been happening even before Duterte became president.
 You're making judgement from somewhere distant, and you don't have never even experienced life in the Philippines, don't even understand the culture. So what makes you think you have better judgement? 
Of course there are collateral damage or Innocent lives lost because of this, but not in the thousands. But would you rather let a drug pandemic grow wild if you were a president of a third world country without money or resources?
Instead of complaining, how about helping fund drug rehab centers there? Or are you just a man of "words" and no action? 
 

 

 

[Strange]

30 minutes ago, Anthony5 said:

41 minutes ago, Strange said:

So you are ok with murder in the thousands outside of a court of law?

 

With thousands murdered outside a court of law, do you mean the drug addicts indirectly murdered by the dealers?

 

Try that on some other sucker. 

 

Everyone has the right to a fair trial or at least some form of judicial help. 

[redhorsebeer]

1 minute ago, Strange said:

 

Try that on some other sucker. 

 

Everyone has the right to a fair trial or at least some form of judicial help. 

Yes I agree with that. And they are doing their best to do that already. 
 But you choose not to educate yourself on what is really happening over there, except base it on hearsay from sensationalized news reports.

[Anthony5]

3 minutes ago, Strange said:

 

Try that on some other sucker. 

 

Everyone has the right to a fair trial or at least some form of judicial help. 

You responded to RedHorseBeer with Filipino detected, I think I detected something from your last reply also.

[tonray]

2 hours ago, fruitman said:

The Philipines are not a safe place, if that's because of drugs i support this new leader whatever his plans are.

 

If Obama or the EU has issues with his way of changing the country for the better then i 183,830.02 ndeed they can go to hell. It's easy speaking from out of a safe country, they should go to Manila and take a walk around there without bodyguards. Bet they don't dare it.

Unfortunately the Philippines is not a safe place because of Filipinos, their corruption knows no bounds when it comes to robbing and keeping their own people in filth and poverty. Look in the mirror...and oh yeah....better start learning the art of humility when the Chinese start taking over.

[Strange]

1 minute ago, Anthony5 said:

6 minutes ago, Strange said:

Try that on some other sucker. 

 

Everyone has the right to a fair trial or at least some form of judicial help. 

You responded to RedHorseBeer with Filipino detected, I think I detected something from your last reply also.

 

You think too much. 

[Thailand]

Rapidly becoming a candidate for a taste of his own medicine. 

[Strange]

51 minutes ago, redhorsebeer said:

2 things:
1. Duterte has openly announced when he ran for president, that he is a socialist. He has no respect for oligarchy and nations that have a habit of meddling in affairs of smaller nations. He is a commoner and like the usual people of the street, talk vulgar and use profanity just like ordinary people. He avoids hypocrisy so he tells things as he sees it, be it factual or not, be it unstatesman-like or not.
2. His Left leaning tendencies make him want to ally with Russia and China, but as a Filipino he still has "some" respect for the US as long as the US does the following:
     a. Apologize publicly for killing people of Muslim ethnic groups in the Philippines 100 years ago, to heal some deep wounds still being felt today.
     b. Investigate/Talk first to the Philippine government about Drug-related deaths due to his Anti-drug campaign, instead of accusing publicly and relying on unverified/slanted news report. For most unexplained drug-related deaths are either not really drug-related or just attributed to it to distract investigators from finding the real motive for killing.
     c. If you're going to be a "real" ally and USE the Philippines for strengthening US control/visibility in the Asia Pacific region, don't just give out outdated/scrap military equipment and spare change for military aid. You have chosen Israel to receive most of the millions of dollars in military aid, egypt and some african countries, yet you just give the Philippines (a country you once subjugated and occupied immediately after the Spanish for half a century) a miniscule of that moolah? I mean, that's just being mean, especially you're forcing them to antagonize China, who has never even invaded the Philippines out of respect for being a trading partner for centuries.

 

1. Socialist. OK thats cool, but its one step away from communist. If you guys are ok with that, who am I to say. Your house your rules. Maybe thats what the phillipines needs. Spent a lot of time in Manilla and work with filipinos offshore and know its dangerous as hell there. If it takes Duterte to clean up and get people in line, fine. 

 

2. You are blatantly selling yourselves to Russia and China because of military aid and "Moolah". What if North Korea offer more money? You realize how ridiculous this is? You want aid, and want to have allies but don't want to hear any criticism about your policies from these allies? 

 

To request the USA to bend a knee and apologize publicly for what happened over 100 years ago, that just incredulous. Ive got family that died in your country trying to get the Japanese out of there. Did you somehow forget about that? 

 

How much aid "moneys" actually get to the people when its got to be filtered down through your corrupted governments first? 

 

If its all about the money, then go ahead and change flags. 

 

 

[Strange]

45 minutes ago, redhorsebeer said:

http://www.thinkingpinoy.net/2016/08/debunking-inquirers-kill-list-part-1-of.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awZjRfOuQnI
https://www.facebook.com/CanThoughtExperiment/videos/1396103513752491/

 

Easy for you to say, you haven't experienced what it is like living in Manila. 
More than half of those murders were not even POLICE operations, but mysterious killings that are under investigation.
Vigilante Squads? A creation of political opponents who want to oust him and replace him with the VP who is of their political party.
And MORE of these killings have already been happening even before Duterte became president.
 You're making judgement from somewhere distant, and you don't have never even experienced life in the Philippines, don't even understand the culture. So what makes you think you have better judgement? 
Of course there are collateral damage or Innocent lives lost because of this, but not in the thousands. But would you rather let a drug pandemic grow wild if you were a president of a third world country without money or resources?
Instead of complaining, how about helping fund drug rehab centers there? Or are you just a man of "words" and no action? 

 

There is nothing in this reply with any basis other than conjecture and opinion. I may not be from the Philippines but I spend a lot of time there, and spend more time with the Pinoys offshore than I do my own family. And I'm american. 

 

Yeah I'm not pandering to "Being a man 'words' and no actions". 

 

You guys need to sort out your politicians, government, police, for the rampant corruption and disregard for the law, before killing people for a drug pandemic. The pandemic is symptom of the rampant corruption and disregard for the law of your country. 

[Strange]

35 minutes ago, redhorsebeer said:

Yes I agree with that. And they are doing their best to do that already. 
 But you choose not to educate yourself on what is really happening over there, except base it on hearsay from sensationalized news reports.

 

Try again. Don't assume people don't know anything.

[siam2007]

1 hour ago, Anthony5 said:

 

With thousands murdered outside a court of law, do you mean the drug addicts indirectly murdered by the dealers?

 

 

 

 

Thousands ?  Recently he said he will kill THREE MILLION !

 

So expect that basically EVERY Filipino family will lose a relative because he/she is "suspected" to use drugs.

 

Wonder if they will still tolerate this rabid dog then....

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Strange said:

 

Pilipino Detected. 

 

So you are ok with murder in the thousands outside of a court of law? How many of these thousands were innocents? 

 

Its best you provide actual data in the form of links to external sites for review. Seems like you may be drinking the Duterte cool-aid a little too heavily. 

Plenty of TV posters that support a certain PM that was responsible for the same thing!

 

So Obama's legacy is to be told by the leader of a small, once subject nation to "go to hell". Rather fitting given how weak a leader he has been.

[siam2007]

44 minutes ago, alocacoc said:

Duterte announced that before he got elected. The voters decided. So, you are against democracy? They can do whatever they want.

 

 

 

It is rather YOU who is against democracy, because in a democracy, the rule of LAW applies, not the rule of uncontrolled bullets

 

[tonray]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

Plenty of TV posters that support a certain PM that was responsible for the same thing!

 

So Obama's legacy is to be told by the leader of a small, once subject nation to "go to hell". Rather fitting given how weak a leader he has been.

And please enlighten us to an example of a strong American leader in your opinion ? Bush II ? Mitch (I did not know about the Saudi Bill before we voted on it) McConnel ? Ted (let us's shut down th guvmint) Cruz ? Please....enlighten us

[alocacoc]

Just now, siam2007 said:

 

 

It is rather YOU who is against democracy, because in a democracy, the rule of LAW applies, not the rule of uncontrolled bullets

 

And who are You to determine which Rules and Laws must be applicable for a country? This is exactly the view of the US.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

28 minutes ago, Strange said:

 

 

To request the USA to bend a knee and apologize publicly for what happened over 100 years ago, that just incredulous. Ive got family that died in your country trying to get the Japanese out of there. Did you somehow forget about that? 

 

 

 

Quote modified for brevity.

 

I don't read it as him telling the US to go to hell, just Obama, and many are fine with that.

[Strange]

1 minute ago, alocacoc said:

And who are You to determine which Rules and Laws must be applicable for a country? This is exactly the view of the US.

 

No. 

 

The phillipines has laws against murder. Wake up. 

[Strange]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Quote modified for brevity.

 

I don't read it as him telling the US to go to hell, just Obama, and many are fine with that.

 

I was addressing the Pinoy and his reply to the OP. Don't take my posts out of context. If you are unclear, its still on the first page. 

[redhorsebeer]

50 minutes ago, Strange said:

 

1. Socialist. OK thats cool, but its one step away from communist. If you guys are ok with that, who am I to say. Your house your rules. Maybe thats what the phillipines needs. Spent a lot of time in Manilla and work with filipinos offshore and know its dangerous as hell there. If it takes Duterte to clean up and get people in line, fine. 

 

2. You are blatantly selling yourselves to Russia and China because of military aid and "Moolah". What if North Korea offer more money? You realize how ridiculous this is? You want aid, and want to have allies but don't want to hear any criticism about your policies from these allies? 

 

To request the USA to bend a knee and apologize publicly for what happened over 100 years ago, that just incredulous. Ive got family that died in your country trying to get the Japanese out of there. Did you somehow forget about that? 

 

How much aid "moneys" actually get to the people when its got to be filtered down through your corrupted governments first? 

 

If its all about the money, then go ahead and change flags. 

 

 

1. Filipinos are not Americans. Filipino people are still struggling with identity and nationalism issues because most Filipinos see America as the greener side of the fence, hence the constant migrant Filipino workers/immigrants. How can Filipinos fix their own country if everyone has a mentality of another country and wants to jump ship? Cause of this? Colonial mentality. This is why Filipinos lack discipline or love of country. But now there is a President who is trying hard to get people to be more nationalistic and to stop dreaming of wanting to go to America one day and be an American.

2. Russia and China will always be there and will always be geographically near the Philippines. Trade and Alliance would be easier, but that is a long shot, since the Philippines is a democratic country, thanks to the US. But who knows, after many decades, many Filipinos are already tired of the current system, so a revolution is probably coming.

3. Duterte is trying to appease the Muslim ethnic rebel groups and also the communist rebels. Peace talks are ongoing. One of the reasons for his vocal stance against the US.  It's a balancing act. Apologizing for massacre of those ethnic muslims would start as a sign of good faith. don't you agree? Thanks for the help of ridding the Japs. But Filipinos soldiers fought and died too, even in the War in Korea. 

4. That's why this foul mouth president is different from previous presidents because he has done a lot of good changes that many people are supportive of him. Corruption from Aid will be somehow diminished now that he has passed a law making local/foreign government deals and information available for public scrutiny. There is transparency.

[redhorsebeer]

1 hour ago, Strange said:

 

There is nothing in this reply with any basis other than conjecture and opinion. I may not be from the Philippines but I spend a lot of time there, and spend more time with the Pinoys offshore than I do my own family. And I'm american. 

 

Yeah I'm not pandering to "Being a man 'words' and no actions". 

 

You guys need to sort out your politicians, government, police, for the rampant corruption and disregard for the law, before killing people for a drug pandemic. The pandemic is symptom of the rampant corruption and disregard for the law of your country. 

Yes we need to sort our government. And if you PLEASE research more, that is exactly what that foul mouth president is doing.
There is NO EASY way of doing it, and that's why his policies and pronouncements are always being criticized.
Thats because he is not the usual politician.

[Jingthing]

True he's not the usual politician. He's a mass murderer with a potty mouth.