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Jail term sentence on three redshirt activists upheld by court

 

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BANGKOK: -- The Appeals Court today upheld the jail sentence on three redshirt activist leaders for defaming a former party-list MP of the Democrat Party in November 2009.

 

The three defendants are Jatuporn Phromphan, Veerakarn Musikapong, and Nattawut Saikur.

 

The Appeals Court said the ruling by the first court to sentence each defendant one year in prison, but on a two-year suspension of jail term, and a 50,000 baht fine each, and a joint payment of the 600,000 baht compensation for the plaintiff, was appropriate.

 

After hearing the ruling, the three have discussed with their lawyer whether they would appeal to the Supreme Court or not.

 

Full story: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/jail-term-sentence-three-redshirt-activists-upheld-court/

 
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10 minutes ago, Alive said:

In a country that takes away some people's rights to criticize or speak the truth this isn't a surprise. Only people that believe in inequality under the law and fascism would cheer losing this human right.

So in your opinion they spoke the truth?

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If they breached their bail conditions then they should be gaoled, fair is fair...   Now the question that remains is was the bail conditions an infringement of his freedoms of expression and opinion?   If so then there is a problem.

 

Then you have several former Yellow MP's having suspended sentence's for deformation against others,  Bias maybe?

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I don't care what they spoke. They deserve the right to speak. Right now, Thailand is under oppression. Some people don't seem to get that and others cheer taking away people's voices. I know many Thais who fear speaking about the current situation. They don't and just go on with their lives forgetting and ignoring. This is the reality of Thailand. The people live in fear of jailings and problems for considering anything serious in this nation. It's just not right. It's human rights abuse. Again, sadly there are those who like human rights abuse.

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"...They were accused by the former Democrat MP Vajara Phetthong of defamation made during a TV programme aired on November 27, 2009 attacking his publication criticising the former prime minister Samak Sundaravej in 2008..." !!! 

 

Remind me, Phetthong was charged with libel then ??? 

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Can you image If Trump and Clinton where here in Thailand running for State Office

Both world be locked up for  50 years each

Well this is politics and the 3 red shirts are being locked up for being democratic

In democracy  say what you will about the other Its all far in politics in a   " real "   democracy

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2 hours ago, Pimay1 said:

So in your opinion they spoke the truth?

Why should that matter?? Even people who speak nothing but bs (Trump is a great example) should be allowed to do so. Or do you disagree?

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Thats another suspended sentence for them ,how many has Jatuporn had now ?,

I thought if you had a suspended sentence for say two years and in that time

you committed a crime,you had to serve the two years,plus whatever you were

sentenced to with the latest offence,but not so in Thailand you just keep getting them.

regards Worgeordie

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Why should that matter?? Even people who speak nothing but bs (Trump is a great example) should be allowed to do so. Or do you disagree?



Well of course they should, as long as he approves of what they say.

If they don't; well then it is obviously the inflammatory rhetoric of a brainwashed redshirt bought and paid for by the despot in exile in the Dubai desert, or his mendacious scheming shopaholic lying younger sister, who was never really elected you know.

There, I think I've covered all the bases, oh no oops, I forgot "criminal fugitive ", mustn't forget C.F., its the real clincher you see.

Anyway "MZurf", I'm surprised that you hadn't grasped the principal of free speech as it is understood here!
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these guys did more than exercise free speech. If you remember they called for the people to each get a liter of gasoline. A million liters of gasoline to burn down Bangkok including Siriraj Hospital. They belong in jail as far as I'm concerned. :shock1:

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Well of course they should, as long as he approves of what they say.

If they don't; well then it is obviously the inflammatory rhetoric of a brainwashed redshirt bought and paid for by the despot in exile in the Dubai desert, or his mendacious scheming shopaholic lying younger sister, who was never really elected you know.

There, I think I've covered all the bases, oh no oops, I forgot "criminal fugitive ", mustn't forget C.F., its the real clincher you see.

Anyway "MZurf", I'm surprised that you hadn't grasped the principal of free speech as it is understood here!


My most sincere apologies:)

PS. It's "CONVICTED criminal fugitive"!
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That Justice and Executive sleep in communicating rooms is no news, it exists in most countries I know, even the ones worth the nobility title of: 'Democracy', in Thailand rather the more so... Till know Justice as lost most of the arm-wrestling contests it dared to go for with the Executive, the last often not shy to take punitive action against individuals (member of Justice) not 'going with the flow'...

Refering to the period of time, and the 'Government' then in place, the bail granted to these UDD 'leaders' seemed to be 'acceptable' (or at least foreseeable) according to the usual practices in the country, though politically tainted, and scandalous it was in my eyes.

IMHO, the revocation of the bail of these 'persons', though long overdue, considering their many actions in breech of the conditions imposed, comes today, for basically the same reasons which are at the basis of the timing of the last military 'coup'. Today, me too,though Farang, I was wearing a pink shirt, enough said I think.

I have no doubt there are a lot of UDD/PTP sympathisers and Shins' fans with a lot of intellectual capacities, it lakes it even hareder for me to understand their 'resistance' to evidence, proven truth, ...and basic common sense! Can't you really 'think out of the box' guys, or is it not a part of 'the mission' you chose, ...or were given?

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4 hours ago, MZurf said:

Why should that matter?? Even people who speak nothing but bs (Trump is a great example) should be allowed to do so. Or do you disagree?

Who in his right mind wouldn't disagree about the, certifiable, Trump character? 'The limit of one's freedom is the neighbour's freedom' (poorly, translated from French)! (MZurf, believe me, I had to bite my hand not to draw any kind of parallel with Thaksin's diatribes)

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7 hours ago, Alive said:

You better. I believe in free speech for all. Not just fascists.

Why 'fascists', not 'communists' then, or these, or those...? You have a weird, and, IMO, dangerous, interpretation of free speech.

Mind you, it seems not to have, ever, been intended to allow anyone to say anything at any odd time... It is  also expected to include many of the positive aspects of what's generally called 'humanity'... Maybe take a break to think about it. Wish you the best! 

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21 hours ago, Pimay1 said:

So in your opinion they spoke the truth?

Since when in an open and free society can you not tell untruths if not under oath. Speaking of what you believe to be the truth is not a crime even under oath.

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21 hours ago, Pimay1 said:

Now that, I believe.

Can you imagine what would happen to a Thai here if he rambled on about the PM as the Right wing has about Obama? They would be jailed for life if not executed. I and the west respect your right to say what you like about our leaders. You advocate something quite different for the people of Thailand.

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19 hours ago, MZurf said:

Why should that matter?? Even people who speak nothing but bs (Trump is a great example) should be allowed to do so. Or do you disagree?

Speaking innocent BS is not what is at play here. Inciting violence, rioting and burning of private and government property is not BS.

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22 hours ago, aussieinthailand said:

If they breached their bail conditions then they should be gaoled, fair is fair...   Now the question that remains is was the bail conditions an infringement of his freedoms of expression and opinion?   If so then there is a problem.

 

Then you have several former Yellow MP's having suspended sentence's for deformation against others,  Bias maybe?

 

Comprehension issues?

 

Their sentences were also suspended. They appealed against the suspended sentences and fines and lost. Now they have to decide to appeal, or rather their boss does, to the Supreme Court or not.

 

So red and yellows get suspended sentences and you perceive bias - doh?

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53 minutes ago, Grubster said:

Since when in an open and free society can you not tell untruths if not under oath. Speaking of what you believe to be the truth is not a crime even under oath.

 

You can speak untruths, or even write untruths if you so wish. But most open and free societies have laws that mean their can be consequences for doing so. 

 

Defamation, slander, libel spring to mind. And shockingly most countries have their own laws too.

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30 minutes ago, Pimay1 said:

Speaking innocent BS is not what is at play here. Inciting violence, rioting and burning of private and government property is not BS.

Was that what they were sentenced for?? And here I thought this was a defamation case. Silly me!

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16 hours ago, MZurf said:

 


My most sincere apologies:)

PS. It's "CONVICTED criminal fugitive"!

 

 

How sweet, two Shin defenders trying to make fun and deflect. Obviously so grossly unfair that any red shirt non democratically appointed leader should be held accountable for breaking the law. Even when they and their esteemed boss try to make so much use of the same law against there opponents. But all just good'ole boys having fun. The rich elites just love it.

 

If we keep joking about "convicted criminal fugitive" for long enough everyone might forget it's actually real; and forget about all those other serious charges to. What a wheeze!

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6 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

You can speak untruths, or even write untruths if you so wish. But most open and free societies have laws that mean their can be consequences for doing so. 

 

Defamation, slander, libel spring to mind. And shockingly most countries have their own laws too.

Please name a country that you aspire to that would prosecute and convict a person for saying what they believed without proving that they did it intentionally to harm someone else.

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16 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

How sweet, two Shin defenders trying to make fun and deflect. Obviously so grossly unfair that any red shirt non democratically appointed leader should be held accountable for breaking the law. Even when they and their esteemed boss try to make so much use of the same law against there opponents. But all just good'ole boys having fun. The rich elites just love it.

 

If we keep joking about "convicted criminal fugitive" for long enough everyone might forget it's actually real; and forget about all those other serious charges to. What a wheeze!

"How sweet, two Shin defenders trying to make fun and deflect."

And how surprising that a junta defender should feel offended. BTW, the only thing I defend is their right to no being removed by the dinosaurs currently in power. You are, of course, free to prove me wrong as long as you provide the quotes.

 

"Obviously so grossly unfair that any red shirt non democratically appointed leader should be held accountable for breaking the law."

Unfair? Thailand doesn't do fair. I won't lose any sleep if they put a bunch of the PTP brass in jail (a mental picture of eg. Chalerm doing hard labour puts a smile on my face) but this whole process is just a play in the game of thrones and has obviously nothing to do with fairness or accountability.

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47 minutes ago, Grubster said:

Please name a country that you aspire to that would prosecute and convict a person for saying what they believed without proving that they did it intentionally to harm someone else.

 

Please name countries that do not have any slander, libel or defamation laws.

 

 

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30 minutes ago, MZurf said:

"How sweet, two Shin defenders trying to make fun and deflect."

And how surprising that a junta defender should feel offended. BTW, the only thing I defend is their right to no being removed by the dinosaurs currently in power. You are, of course, free to prove me wrong as long as you provide the quotes.

 

"Obviously so grossly unfair that any red shirt non democratically appointed leader should be held accountable for breaking the law."

Unfair? Thailand doesn't do fair. I won't lose any sleep if they put a bunch of the PTP brass in jail (a mental picture of eg. Chalerm doing hard labour puts a smile on my face) but this whole process is just a play in the game of thrones and has obviously nothing to do with fairness or accountability.

 

Junta defender - you usual retort. Show me the quotes that support that. Or where you have condemned the Yingluck regime in anyway,

 

The world ain't fair. You do agree then that based on the same law that both red shirts and yellow shirts try and exploit; and that defamation is a criminal offense; and that yellow and red shirt elites have received suspended sentences; that strangely this law has been applied fairly?

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