3bb vs ais fiber vs true online ( fttx)

[Pib]

20 hours ago, elfpattaya said:

My 3BB connection at present does not have IPv6. But it did say this.

 

Your DNS server (possibly run by your ISP) appears to have IPv6 Internet access.

Maybe you only need to ask 3BB to activate IPv6 on your account.  When asking if they really don't have IPv6 capability yet I expect they will say so.  But from looking at some stats websites on IPv6 usage in Thailand by ISP it shows 3BB with practically zero in IPv6 usage...like 0.05% usage which would indicate they don't have IPv6 except maybe for some testing purposes. 

 

To activate IPv6 on my AIS Fibre account it only took a phone call but I knew AIS had IPv6 capability because they advertise they do as they were the first major ISP in Thailand to have IPv6.

 

But at this point in time, not having IPv6 capability is not a biggie (unless for some reason you need to reach "IPv6-only" websites) since IPv4 is still the predominately used system worldwide.   But I expect in 5 to 10 years as IPv6 usage continues to slowly increase it will become the predominately used system worldwide but even then IPv4 will still be in use.

 

 

[elfpattaya]

Pib, IPTv6 is no good for me my IPTV service does not use it. I asked AIS to disable it.

[amvet]

On 1/18/2018 at 7:10 PM, Pib said:

Maybe you only need to ask 3BB to activate IPv6 on your account.  When asking if they really don't have IPv6 capability yet I expect they will say so.  But from looking at some stats websites on IPv6 usage in Thailand by ISP it shows 3BB with practically zero in IPv6 usage...like 0.05% usage which would indicate they don't have IPv6 except maybe for some testing purposes. 

 

To activate IPv6 on my AIS Fibre account it only took a phone call but I knew AIS had IPv6 capability because they advertise they do as they were the first major ISP in Thailand to have IPv6.

 

But at this point in time, not having IPv6 capability is not a biggie (unless for some reason you need to reach "IPv6-only" websites) since IPv4 is still the predominately used system worldwide.   But I expect in 5 to 10 years as IPv6 usage continues to slowly increase it will become the predominately used system worldwide but even then IPv4 will still be in use.

You can turn it on or off in the router settings.  http://192.168.1.1/       At least I think you can.  I did.  

[Pib]

22 hours ago, amvet said:

You can turn it on or off in the router settings.  http://192.168.1.1/       At least I think you can.  I did.  

That is indeed another way of doing it if your router has an IPv6 menu selection which allows you do such.     If just using an ISP-provided router which may have ISP-specific firmware loaded that disables/grey-out some function settings you may not be able to deactivate IPv6 via the router, but the ISP can usually deactivate the setting on the router since they can reach out to the router and make changes to its settings.  For example that's how AIS Fibre does it...when you request IPv6 to be deactivated or activated they reach out and activate/deactivate the setting on the ISP-provided router.

Edited January 20, 2018 by Pib

[Bkk2061]

On 08/01/2018 at 8:31 PM, Pib said:

elfpataya,

  Running a test to Singapore and London at around 8:25pm, below is what I get.  As you see my Singapore speed is still smoking over 200Mb but to London it's rolled way off to around 8Mb.  But I bet tomorrow during the day my speed to the UK will be 5 to 10 times faster....a time of day/night thing on my connection.   And don't blame you for planning to switch from AIS to 3BB based on your AIS Fibre experience....I would do the same.  But knock on wood (my head) except for that almost two month period from late Sep to mid Nov 17 where my international speed was not up to what it had been before, but magically fixed itself in mid Nov, my experience and speed with AIS Fibre has been very good.  Hoping it stays that way....but only time will tell.

 

Singapore

 

London

 

 

 

 

Those are blazing fine local speeds. 

My  Internet has degraded 

I bought true fibre 100/30 last year and the actual speed of it was  138/40 (I was very impressed) 

 

Now they give me 99/38 and all the other companies have about double that speed for 1200 a month so I'll be changing my provider if  they can't match the competitors prices 

 

About two months left until I can switch without a penalty 

[jackdd]

On 17.1.2018 at 7:41 AM, jackdd said:

True 50/20 in the morning

 

 

 

True 50/20 in the evening

 

 

I did the Singapore test three times, always > 60 mbps

[jackdd]

15 hours ago, Bkk2061 said:

Those are blazing fine local speeds. 

My  Internet has degraded 

I bought true fibre 100/30 last year and the actual speed of it was  138/40 (I was very impressed) 

 

Now they give me 99/38 and all the other companies have about double that speed for 1200 a month so I'll be changing my provider if  they can't match the competitors prices 

 

About two months left until I can switch without a penalty 

It depends on if you use everything that comes in their package or not if you can consider 3BB cheaper.

AIS and True currently offer the exact same packages for the same prices, even though the official terms are a bit different, which made me choose True over AIS

Let's look at the 100/30 package, because 3BB is offering this too:

True / AIS: 100/30 Fiber, 4mbps mobile Internet, TV, Router and the "TV box" included -> 1100 per month, 650 setup fee, effective cost per month over a year ~1150THB

3BB: 100/30 Fiber, no mobile internet, "3bb cloud TV" (True offers more channels), no "TV box" (i don't know if you can buy one or what it would cost), you have to buy the router for 2200, pay a setup fee (they don't say how much, just discount 5000) maybe also 650. -> 700 per month, effective cost per month over a year ~935THB

I do of course use mobile Internet on my phone, the 4mbps package is fine for me, saves me about 450THB per month, so with True i would pay 1150THB per month, and have a TV box, and more TV channels than with 3BB. For 3BB + extra mobile internet i would pay 1385THB per month for similar services.

[Pib]

AIS Fibre 200Mb on this Sunday evening around 8:20pm in prime time....I'm in Bangkok.

 

Singapore

 

London

 

San Francisco

 

 

[Pib]

42 minutes ago, jackdd said:

 

True 50/20 in the evening

 

 

I did the Singapore test three times, always > 60 mbps

Those are good single thread speeds for a 50/20 plan....and I'm surprised True is now providing such good international speeds.   Good to know.  I use to be on a True DOCIS/Cable 15Mb plan up until mid 2016....then AIS Fibre came to my moobaan and I switched to them because of much higher speed plans and lower prices than what True was offering at the time. 

 

About 3 months after I switched from True to AIS Fibre, I guess True had finally lost enough customers due to 3BB and AIS competition offering faster, cheaper plans that True greatly lowered the price of their higher speed plans. 

 

If True had lowered their prices 3 months earlier they may have kept me as a customer, but I kinda doubt it because AIS Fibre also came with premium TV packages which blew True premium TV packages (Platinum and Gold) out of the water price-wise...plus, True lost the HBO movie channels to AIS Fibre.   Just gave me more reason to also dump TrueVision.   Now, I'm on DTAC for mobile and AIS Fibre for internet (plus an AIS SIM for my tablet) and TV.  Been "True-free" (mobile, internet, and TV) since mid 2016.  

 

 

 

Edited January 21, 2018 by Pib

[Bkk2061]

3 hours ago, jackdd said:

It depends on if you use everything that comes in their package or not if you can consider 3BB cheaper.

AIS and True currently offer the exact same packages for the same prices, even though the official terms are a bit different, which made me choose True over AIS

Let's look at the 100/30 package, because 3BB is offering this too:

True / AIS: 100/30 Fiber, 4mbps mobile Internet, TV, Router and the "TV box" included -> 1100 per month, 650 setup fee, effective cost per month over a year ~1150THB

3BB: 100/30 Fiber, no mobile internet, "3bb cloud TV" (True offers more channels), no "TV box" (i don't know if you can buy one or what it would cost), you have to buy the router for 2200, pay a setup fee (they don't say how much, just discount 5000) maybe also 650. -> 700 per month, effective cost per month over a year ~935THB

I do of course use mobile Internet on my phone, the 4mbps package is fine for me, saves me about 450THB per month, so with True i would pay 1150THB per month, and have a TV box, and more TV channels than with 3BB. For 3BB + extra mobile internet i would pay 1385THB per month for similar services.

i don't use the TV at all so that's worth zero to me

I'm on some type of contract with true for 4g separate from the home Internet package

For the price I'm paying  True now for 100/30 I could be getting 200/100  from 3bb or tot

 

I think they all waive the set up charge and give you a free router if you sign for a minimum of 12 months

 

 

[RedCardinal]

Anyone want to predict when we'll see the next speed bump up to 300 or 400 Mb packages?  Out of contract and patiently waiting for next competitor to bump and grab market share.

[jackdd]

8 minutes ago, RedCardinal said:

Anyone want to predict when we'll see the next speed bump up to 300 or 400 Mb packages?  Out of contract and patiently waiting for next competitor to bump and grab market share.

True offers 300/70 for 1999thb as a regular enduser package already

And AIS does even have a 1000/200 enduser package, but kinda pricey

 

So let's maybe change the game a bit: When will an ISP in Thailand offer 1gbit download for less than 2000thb?

I expect the market to be happy with the 50-200 mbit packages in the next two years, and thus expect 1gbit for less than 2000 not before 2020

[manchega]

On 1/21/2018 at 8:41 PM, Pib said:

Those are good single thread speeds for a 50/20 plan....and I'm surprised True is now providing such good international speeds.   Good to know.  I use to be on a True DOCIS/Cable 15Mb plan up until mid 2016....then AIS Fibre came to my moobaan and I switched to them because of much higher speed plans and lower prices than what True was offering at the time. 

 

About 3 months after I switched from True to AIS Fibre, I guess True had finally lost enough customers due to 3BB and AIS competition offering faster, cheaper plans that True greatly lowered the price of their higher speed plans. 

 

If True had lowered their prices 3 months earlier they may have kept me as a customer, but I kinda doubt it because AIS Fibre also came with premium TV packages which blew True premium TV packages (Platinum and Gold) out of the water price-wise...plus, True lost the HBO movie channels to AIS Fibre.   Just gave me more reason to also dump TrueVision.   Now, I'm on DTAC for mobile and AIS Fibre for internet (plus an AIS SIM for my tablet) and TV.  Been "True-free" (mobile, internet, and TV) since mid 2016.  

 

 

 

I think true have realised they are in competition.  they were upset at losing customer, the set up was so easy and polite as they drilled a hole in the wall etc.

the close of account was an unpleasant affair nothing can be done on phone, must be done from shop at central or similar.

Just what we all needed, some competition to actually get service as opposed to the pretent type

[Pib]

True has been offering a 300/70 plan for a while now at around Bt2K which includes TV and SIM.  See below.  But as to when other ISPs might routinely offer plans faster than 200Mb say in the Bt2K to 3K range which many could afford/sign up for I"m not so sure. 

 

I'm not so sure such an offering would get a lot of customers because I think the majority of folks use "Wifi" for their connections between their router and computers & other devices such as tablets/smartphones.   And when you start going above 200Mb getting that speed over Wifi usually means you need to be "close" the router in the same room and of course your router and device being able to handle over 200Mb "real world" data throughput speed; not just the Link Speed you get on your device which just means the theoretician/perfect world speed your connection might be able to handle if all the planets lined, you had no Wifi interference, etc...etc...etc.

 

For me, my routers and laptops Wifi circuits  can handle 200 to 225Mb real world data through put speed no problem when say around 5 meters apart to include a partial wall obstruction and where I normally use my laptops.  And from some speed testing using my home server as the speed source so I can simulate a internet plan faster than 200Mb my routers/devices  combinations can handle up to around 300Mb Wifi speed if the routers and laptops are just a few meters apart with no obstacles between them to degrade the signal on a 5Ghz band connection.   In these hardware combinations your speed is going to be limited by the slowest device in that speed chain.  While your high end router may be able to do say 400Mb real world speed your laptops or other devices may not...they may choke at a much lower speed.  Just so many speed limiting possibilities at higher speeds.

 

But trying to get steady 300Mb throughput in all the typical places I use my laptops/devices in my home just would not happen....too much distance and obstacles (walls/floors/furniture) preventing that.     And I expect the international speed would not go up much compared to a 200Mb plan unless maybe to Singapore.   

 

Right now I can get 200Mb speed via Wifi on my AIS 200Mb speed plan pretty much in all the places in my home I routinely use my devices.  But I know I couldn't do that on a 300Mb on a Wifi connection.   And many of the devices I connected via a LAN connection only have 100Mb LAN ports like the AIS Playbox (Android IPTV box), VOIP devices, etc.   Anything above 100Mb speed they can't use even if they needed 100Mb speed which they don't just to stream TV, make a VOIP call, etc.

 

But hey, when AIS Fibre starts offering a 300Mb plan that costs no more than what I play for my 200Mb plan I'll give serious thought to upgrading although I know I will not be able to take full advantage of the 300Mb speed since I use Wifi connection predominately. 

 

[jackdd]

6 minutes ago, Pib said:

I'm not so sure such an offering would get a lot of customers because I think the majority of folks use "Wifi" for their connections between their router and computers & other devices such as tablets/smartphones.   And when you start going above 200Mb getting that speed over Wifi usually means you need to be "close" the router in the same room and of course your router and device being able to handle over 200Mb "real world" data throughput speed;

If you just stay alone there is not really a "need" for more than 100mbps (or actually even more than 50mbps, so i got this). The only use case would be to have all your data in the cloud, but then 1gbit would be much nicer than just 100mbps. The 20gb download you do once a month which is finished a few minutes faster with 200 instead of 100 mbps is nice, but let's face it: Not necessary.

Usually the people for whom the 200 or 300mbits have a real benefit are not people who live alone, but families where multiple people use the internet at the same time, some connected using a cable, others using the wifi, so if a single person using the wifi gets only a part of the internet bandwidth it's sufficient

[RedCardinal]

I think one of the primary users of higher bandwidth is going to be streaming 4K video.  My interest is really in this realm, and nearly all the devices I'm using for that are on wired GB LAN.  So WiFi bottlenecks don't bother me, and the access points I'm running have much higher throughput than your average consumer WiFi router anyway.  

 

Right now I have 300 down and 80 up on combined WANs.  I keep the True for IPv4 used by my SIP phones.  Just hoping that AIS might introduce more flexible plans and increase the speed caps.  They already offer 300 in their package that offers higher speed during daylight hours, so don't know what's keeping them offering this in regular packages.

[jackdd]

26 minutes ago, RedCardinal said:

I think one of the primary users of higher bandwidth is going to be streaming 4K video.  My interest is really in this realm, and nearly all the devices I'm using for that are on wired GB LAN.  So WiFi bottlenecks don't bother me, and the access points I'm running have much higher throughput than your average consumer WiFi router anyway.  

 

Right now I have 300 down and 80 up on combined WANs.  I keep the True for IPv4 used by my SIP phones.  Just hoping that AIS might introduce more flexible plans and increase the speed caps.  They already offer 300 in their package that offers higher speed during daylight hours, so don't know what's keeping them offering this in regular packages.

But probably at your home are more persons than just you, or are you watching 10 4k streams in parallel alone?

[thedemon]

35 minutes ago, RedCardinal said:

I think one of the primary users of higher bandwidth is going to be streaming 4K video.  My interest is really in this realm, and nearly all the devices I'm using for that are on wired GB LAN.  So WiFi bottlenecks don't bother me, and the access points I'm running have much higher throughput than your average consumer WiFi router anyway.  

 

 

What client devices are you connecting to the high throughput access points?

[Bkk2061]

6 hours ago, RedCardinal said:

I think one of the primary users of higher bandwidth is going to be streaming 4K video.  My interest is really in this realm, and nearly all the devices I'm using for that are on wired GB LAN.  So WiFi bottlenecks don't bother me, and the access points I'm running have much higher throughput than your average consumer WiFi router anyway.  

 

Right now I have 300 down and 80 up on combined WANs.  I keep the True for IPv4 used by my SIP phones.  Just hoping that AIS might introduce more flexible plans and increase the speed caps.  They already offer 300 in their package that offers higher speed during daylight hours, so don't know what's keeping them offering this in regular packages.

I am hoping that true might step up to the plate and give me a similar speed to what the others are offering for ~1200 (200/100 etc) 

 

I will cancel and hop over to 388 or TOT if they don't but its a month or two until my contract is finished (I'm on 100/30 for 1200thb  a month at the moment) 

 

I suppose it couldn't hurt to ask early lol

 

 

 

[Pib]

I expect True would upgrade you to their 200/50 plan at 1399 baht if you asked but it would be under another years contract. Most ISPs will let you out of the current contract as long as you are upgrading to a higher cost/higher speed plan for another year.

[Bkk2061]

55 minutes ago, Pib said:

I expect True would upgrade you to their 200/50 plan at 1399 baht if you asked but it would be under another years contract. Most ISPs will let you out of the current contract as long as you are upgrading to a higher cost/higher speed plan for another year.

If I wait a month or two I can upgrade myself to 200/100  from 3bb or tot for cheaper..... 

I don't see why true should get paid more than their competitors for lesser speed

[Pib]

21 minutes ago, Bkk2061 said:

I don't see why true should get paid more than their competitors for lesser speed

Well, with an attitude like that you'll never get a job with True!!!   

[RedCardinal]

On 1/23/2018 at 6:05 PM, thedemon said:

 

What client devices are you connecting to the high throughput access points?

Nvidia Shields for all streaming. 

[jackdd]

I recently noticed that True fiber has a 24h disconnect, do the other providers also have this?

[Pib]

I recently noticed that True fiber has a 24h disconnect, do the other providers also have this?

Not AIS Fibre...or at least on my AIS Fibre line that is fibre all the way...no VDSL for the final few meters. 

 

 

 

 

[Pib]

Just some speed test crossfeed....below are some testmy.net single thread download tests to Singapore, San Francisco, and London on this Saturday morning around 11:30am on my AIS Fibre 200/50 plan.  I'm in Bangkok.

   

 

And to date my fastest single thread result on testmy.net has been a little over 219Mb to Singapore on 28 Jan 18....see below.

 

Also please note that somewhere in this thread or another thread I had mentioned that since testmy.net had IPv6 compatibility problems "in identifying your correcy location/ISP provider" if you had IPv6 capability (which I do on AIS Fibre) in addition to the standard IPv4 capability then testmy.net would not display your ISP/location or log the results properly in the their results database.  Instead your results would get lumped into their global/catch-all results versus as to what location you were testing to like Singapore, SF, London, etc., and what your ISP/location was.   Well, as of a few weeks ago testmy.net has apparently fixed their IPv6 compatibility problem and is now correctly logging the results.   Testmy.net still runs their tests on an IPv4 connection, it's just an IPv6 address also coming from your computer no longer confuses testmy.net regarding your location/ISP/results logging/etc.

 

 

[muratremix]

Pib

have you seen this?

 

http://www.ais.co.th/fibre/powerboost/en/index.html

 

 

[Pib]

10 hours ago, muratremix said:

Pib

have you seen this?

 

http://www.ais.co.th/fibre/powerboost/en/index.html

 

 

Yea, that plan has been out for a month or two now.   Not really interested in a plan that gives me 300 dn/300 up from 6am-6pm (daytime) and then downshifts to 100/100 from 6pm-6am (nighttime).   But I can see how a daytime business would be interested. 

 

Plus, since I use Wifi connections predominately vs ethernet connections within my residence achieving 300Mb speed over Wifi would not be doable on most of my devices except on a few and only if I was within a few meters of the Wifi router.    Basically I really couldn't get full use of a 300Mb speed plan unless I was using an ethernet connection to my computers which I will not be doing.

 

Plus the plan costs Bt1990/mo and only gives you internet and a free  100 minutes for a landline; I think my current plan is a lot better which is the Power4 plan for Bt1990/mo which gives me 200/50 speed day and night, Platinum HD TV, an unlimited data at 6Mb speed mobile SIM, and AIS Play is a much better deal.

 

Speaking of AIS Fibre plans, when looking at their website right now on this Sunday morning I notice it no longer shows their PowerPro plan and I think another plan has went MIA because I think 6 plans used to be listed under their Consumer packages...now only 4 are listed. See snapshot below.  And their Business packages offering seems a little different.    

 

So hard to keep up with all the new plan offerings that come and go with ISPs as they try to find plans people will sign-up for.    I try to keep up to speed on the latest plans as some new plans are indeed good "for me"....like the Power4 200/50 plan which I immediately switched to shortly after it came out.  Cheers.

 

[Pib]

And here is some Sunday morning around 11:40am testmy.net single thread download results to Singapore, SF, and London on my AIS Fibre 200Mb plan.   Pretty similar to yesterday's/Saturday morning results at almost the same time shown a few posts up.  That's enough speed test results for a while...hope the crossfeed is helpful.  But always remember, Your Results May (Will) Vary depending on a variety of factors.

 

[muratremix]

This power boost promo says public ipv4 and public ipv6 which means no CGNAT and real IP.

Besides, 200/200 for day and 50/50 night for 1190 baht seems good enough?

 

Even 790 baht one for 100/100 and 30/30 seems acceptable. 

Symmetrical upload/download looks good, feels good :)