May ready for tough talks over Brexit

[mommysboy]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

More complete nonsensical cobblers.

From the master of codswallop: I'll take it as a compliment.

 

 

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, SheungWan said:

 

Farage: 'Hard Brexit is the Brexit we voted for'. http://tinyurl.com/y85btvxr

 

 

Since the vote and then the arrival of the May Gov he obviously suspects that remaining (remainers) in government will want to soften, delay or even stop the UK leaving the EU altogether, together with all the other interference.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, mommysboy said:

From the master of codswallop: I'll take it as a compliment.

 

 

It was all garbage so the summary was easily brief. No compliments from here for buffoons! 

[AlexRich]

Bloomberg ... time to wake up to the realities of Brexit.

 

"Britain is the supplicant in this process, and the transitional proposal shouldn't ask for favors, much less demand them. It should say, in effect, Britain will abide by EU rules until the long-term deal is done, even though it will no longer have a say in deciding what those rules are. That's the price of being granted an orderly rather than chaotic departure".

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-08-28/britain-must-accept-the-hard-truth-about-brexit

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, SheungWan said:

 

Farage: 'Hard Brexit is the Brexit we voted for'. http://tinyurl.com/y85btvxr

 

 

Listen to it properly and don't misquote.The vote was to leave the EU. The boiled egg options were not on the breakfast table pre-referendum.

[mommysboy]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

Listen to it properly and don't misquote.The vote was to leave the EU. The boiled egg options were not on the breakfast table pre-referendum.

I agree with the clown on this one: the referendum only established that we must leave.  It did not decide anything else whatsoever.  Therein lies the problem.

[rockingrobin]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

Bloomberg ... time to wake up to the realities of Brexit.

 

"Britain is the supplicant in this process, and the transitional proposal shouldn't ask for favors, much less demand them. It should say, in effect, Britain will abide by EU rules until the long-term deal is done, even though it will no longer have a say in deciding what those rules are. That's the price of being granted an orderly rather than chaotic departure".

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-08-28/britain-must-accept-the-hard-truth-about-brexit

Would a transitional period require a new treaty , as article 50 only allows for extending the 2 yr deadline

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, mommysboy said:

I agree with the clown on this one: the referendum only established that we must leave.  It did not decide anything else whatsoever.  Therein lies the problem.

Mommy's Circus Act strikes back! 

[SheungWan]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

Listen to it properly and don't misquote.The vote was to leave the EU. The boiled egg options were not on the breakfast table pre-referendum.

29 seconds+ "Hard Brexit .........  is the Brexit we voted for."

[SheungWan]

2 hours ago, mommysboy said:

I agree with the clown on this one: the referendum only established that we must leave.  It did not decide anything else whatsoever.  Therein lies the problem.

 

40 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Mommy's Circus Act strikes back! 

Unfortunately everything that has happened (and is happening now) since the referendum flows from the simple fact that the form of Brexit is up for play. Much as this forum thread has occupied itself with the continued barbs between Remainers and Brexiteers, the real battle is the fight over the form of Brexit that will prevail. Where is that tug of war centered? In the Conservative Government. They give some appearance of edging towards a compromise but still a bit of fog about.

Edited August 28, 2017 by SheungWan

[mommysboy]

46 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

 

Unfortunately everything that has happened (and is happening now) since the referendum flows from the simple fact that the form of Brexit is up for play. Much as this forum thread has occupied itself with the continued barbs between Remainers and Brexiteers, the real battle is the fight over the form of Brexit that will prevail. Where is that tug of war centered? In the Conservative Government. They give some appearance of edging towards a compromise but still a bit of fog about.

Good posting, but the Conservatives tenure on government hangs by a thin thread.  Ultimately, it will be about the will of Parliament,which will hopefully reflect the will of the people.

 

I agree we must go because that is what the referendum mandated. Yet there was no mention on what form the Brexit should take, either hard or soft. And it is not necessarily about what the rule book states, as this is about the will of the people,ie, what they want.  It will not be a Brexit by default, because the solution people want is the only acceptable result.  If it is not possible, I would contend then you have your answer- not possible.  Hardly any point in having a Brexit which nobody bar a few hardliners want.

[tomacht8]

Well, if someone thinks he is better for himself and want to left the community, is ok.
But one should not expect that there are any prices for the lonely wolf, if he does not provide any more contribution to the community.

The EU does not allow 100% that the lonely wolf is better off. Otherwise, all would like to exit.
This was foreseeable and the voters of Brexit knew this all.

The survival of Europe in small-scale governments,  I have my doubts.

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[Khun Han]

Barnier blustering as usual:

 

www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41070227

 

Wants the UK to stop being ambiguous in it's negotiations whilst demanding that the opening negotiation is a leaving fee that he refuses to itemize, and simply demands that the UK makes a blind counter-proposal. You just couldn't make goons like Barnier up.

[Khun Han]

6 hours ago, SheungWan said:

29 seconds+ "Hard Brexit .........  is the Brexit we voted for."

 

And that is exactly what was voted for. Cameron made it quite clear it would mean leaving the single market, etc, and all that entails. All this soft brexit stuff is just the subsequent blitzkrieg of Project Fear propaganda in order to put the sh1ts up the British public and scare them away from any kind of real brexit.

[melvinmelvin]

34 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

Barnier blustering as usual:

 

www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41070227

 

Wants the UK to stop being ambiguous in it's negotiations whilst demanding that the opening negotiation is a leaving fee that he refuses to itemize, and simply demands that the UK makes a blind counter-proposal. You just couldn't make goons like Barnier up.

 

where in the link to the BBC stuff do you find what you say above?

 

[SheungWan]

2 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

And that is exactly what was voted for. Cameron made it quite clear it would mean leaving the single market, etc, and all that entails. All this soft brexit stuff is just the subsequent blitzkrieg of Project Fear propaganda in order to put the sh1ts up the British public and scare them away from any kind of real brexit.

Never mind what some politicians said. And others didn't. It isn't in the wording of the referendum and Hard Brexiteers can squeal as much as they like, but what they want and what they may campaign for is perfectly OK, but dressing it up as a done deal is just so much hooey. No wonder there is now a clear difference on this forum between the Brexiteers who are prepared and willing to argue their differences about the details of Brexit (good) and those Hard Brexiteers who not only refuse to engage on the detail but just seem to run around with their tails on fire searching for traitors and waving what they think is the holy grail of Hard Brexit in the air.

[melvinmelvin]

11 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

11 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

Point 1: This has nothig to do with nauseus or his posts

               I just cannot get the text away and TV insists on putting this in

               when I try to make a comment/entry

 

Point 2:

 

In my national news I saw something interesting yesterday. It was hinted at that there now seems to

come an opportunity that might make the EU willing to discuss some trade/customs "deals" before

Ireland-citizenz-bailout are sorted.

 

Within WTO New Zealand and Australia are starting to make noise re the agreed import quotas to EU of

sheep meat from down under.

A lot of money and a lot of meat in the deals between EU and those two countries.

Apparently UK is a large taker of that quota.

The down unders are worried. What will happen to the quota after Brexit.

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

In today's Bangkok Post there is a sizeable pot(piece of text) re Brexit.

 

The article is not editorial but written by two Bloomberg View columnists.

 

The authors appear to be more happy with Labour's approach than May's approach.

They kind of insist that the UK must be prepared to become disappointed.

 

Worth a read that pot.

 

 

[mommysboy]

4 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

And that is exactly what was voted for. Cameron made it quite clear it would mean leaving the single market, etc, and all that entails. All this soft brexit stuff is just the subsequent blitzkrieg of Project Fear propaganda in order to put the sh1ts up the British public and scare them away from any kind of real brexit.

Both sides promised and threatened everything.  And politicians on the same side even contradicted each other.

 

My impression is that many people decided to vote leave thinking it would not mean leaving the single market, eg, have your cake and eat it too. 

 

But that is yesterday's skirmish. The only thing decided for sure is what was written on the ballot paper.  Everything else is up for grabs.  It doesn't matter what anyone said, PM or not.

 

Common sense will come in to it.  People did not vote leave to invite a bugger's muddle, or make themselves and the country poorer.  Bozo Clown might want it all his own way, but 99% of normal people will probably agree that pragma must be a determining factor, as well as the needs of business, and the will of the people of course.

 

 

[rockingrobin]

5 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

And that is exactly what was voted for. Cameron made it quite clear it would mean leaving the single market, etc, and all that entails. All this soft brexit stuff is just the subsequent blitzkrieg of Project Fear propaganda in order to put the sh1ts up the British public and scare them away from any kind of real brexit.

We were told that the remain campaign was project fear and to ignore their lies

[pitrevie]

6 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

And that is exactly what was voted for. Cameron made it quite clear it would mean leaving the single market, etc, and all that entails. All this soft brexit stuff is just the subsequent blitzkrieg of Project Fear propaganda in order to put the sh1ts up the British public and scare them away from any kind of real brexit.

And that is exactly what Boris told us, leaving the EU did not mean leaving the single market and his side won. 

[nauseus]

17 minutes ago, pitrevie said:

And that is exactly what Boris told us, leaving the EU did not mean leaving the single market and his side won. 

 

If you can watch this for a couple of minutes and accept a majority vote (for a change), then the single market issue was made clear by all of the main campaigners before the vote.

[Laughing Gravy]

4 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Never mind what some politicians said. And others didn't. It isn't in the wording of the referendum and Hard Brexiteers can squeal as much as they like, but what they want and what they may campaign for is perfectly OK, but dressing it up as a done deal is just so much hooey. No wonder there is now a clear difference on this forum between the Brexiteers who are prepared and willing to argue their differences about the details of Brexit (good) and those Hard Brexiteers who not only refuse to engage on the detail but just seem to run around with their tails on fire searching for traitors and waving what they think is the holy grail of Hard Brexit in the air.

Some TV posters me included are bored S****ss of the same oh what a mistake we have made, we should have a second referendum. Its not what people voted for blah, blah, blah, There is a reason the thread has got to 614 pages. Most of it is the same rehashed rhetoric, so what is the point of debating it all over again and again. I have stopped posting as really there has been nothing new of any value discussing.

[Khun Han]

6 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

where in the link to the BBC stuff do you find what you say above?

 

 

The stuff that I say above has already been made available in the msm. You missed it?

[SheungWan]

15 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Some TV posters me included are bored S****ss of the same oh what a mistake we have made, we should have a second referendum. Its not what people voted for blah, blah, blah, There is a reason the thread has got to 614 pages. Most of it is the same rehashed rhetoric, so what is the point of debating it all over again and again. I have stopped posting as really there has been nothing new of any value discussing.

Some Brexiteers thought that the issue ended with the referendum but actually the referendum started the process. They cannot get their heads round it and so they have little to contribute to any discussion other than re-hashing pre-referendum arguments to deflect away from having to engage with the issues unfolding. And if that fails tell us that they are folding their tents and marching off into the wilderness.

[Khun Han]

5 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Never mind what some politicians said. And others didn't. It isn't in the wording of the referendum and Hard Brexiteers can squeal as much as they like, but what they want and what they may campaign for is perfectly OK, but dressing it up as a done deal is just so much hooey. No wonder there is now a clear difference on this forum between the Brexiteers who are prepared and willing to argue their differences about the details of Brexit (good) and those Hard Brexiteers who not only refuse to engage on the detail but just seem to run around with their tails on fire searching for traitors and waving what they think is the holy grail of Hard Brexit in the air.

 

Never mind what the Prime Minister of the UK told us what brexit meant? Wow! You remainers are trying really hard to re-write history, aren't you?

[SheungWan]

1 minute ago, Khun Han said:

 

Never mind what the Prime Minister of the UK told us what brexit meant? Wow! You remainers are trying really hard to re-write history, aren't you?

What matters here is what is passed in law (legislated) and voted on (read the small print). What the PM said can be lined up on the mantelpiece together with that little slogan on the Leaver Battlebus. How the democratic process actually works seems to pass some people by.

[nauseus]

19 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Some Brexiteers thought that the issue ended with the referendum but actually the referendum started the process. They cannot get their heads round it and so they have little to contribute to any discussion other than re-hashing pre-referendum arguments to deflect away from having to engage with the issues unfolding. And if that fails tell us that they are folding their tents and marching off into the wilderness.

Fourteen months on, Remoaners still can't believe or accept the vote. They cannot get their heads round it! They pick up any bit of news to continue their doom theories in the hope of getting out of it. The main reasons for the out vote are still valid. A trade agreement is preferable but any arrangement that allows free movement of people to the UK, and EU law primacy over it, does not constitute a meaningful exit.

Edited August 29, 2017 by nauseus

[Laughing Gravy]

23 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Fourteen months on, Remoaners still can't believe or accept the vote.

I have to say that is the most poignant statement in the last 300 pages of this thread. How very true.

Edited August 29, 2017 by Laughing Gravy

[Khun Han]

33 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

What matters here is what is passed in law (legislated) and voted on (read the small print). What the PM said can be lined up on the mantelpiece together with that little slogan on the Leaver Battlebus. How the democratic process actually works seems to pass some people by.

 

Whatever .