5 minutes ago, Steve Mepham said:

The economy would like to grow ! but cant, We were running at around 2% growth before Brexit, and for this we need what 100k imported people, that's an awful lot of people for an extra 0.5 growth on the year. open door immigration will continue in the UK for at least the next 3 years minimum, so why would people jump ship now if things were so rosy, also anybody arriving in the UK before the cut of date, yet to be agreed, gets grandfather rights that are better than for a UK citizen. 

 

 

QUOTE: also anybody arriving in the UK before the cut of date, yet to be agreed, gets grandfather rights that are better than for a UK citizen. 

 

Please explain.

 

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

Seems to be you doing the climbing down now.

I won't bite.

17 hours ago, sandyf said:

She had categorically stated no election and surprise surprise a snap election, whats the difference between one opportunist and another.

 

" badly advised, compounded by one of the worst campaigns I have ever seen."  On that basis I can only assume that you think David Cameron was also unlucky-ish.

 

 

 

David Cameron would have been far more more capable of leading the UK out of the EU, that is for sure.

 

Then again, everything is relative.

45 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

David Cameron would have been far more more capable of leading the UK out of the EU, that is for sure.

 

Then again, everything is relative.

While you are extolling the virtues of David Cameron can I remind you of what he said in his resignation speech.

 

"The British people have voted to leave the European Union and their will must be respected."

 

"Britain is a special country - we have so many great advantages - a parliamentary democracy where we resolve great issues about our future through peaceful debate, a great trading nation with our science and arts, our engineering and our creativity, respected the world over."

 

"The British people have made a choice, that not only needs to be respected but those on the losing side of the argument - myself included - should help to make it work."

 

"I love this country and I feel honoured to have served it and I will do everything I can in future to help this great country succeed."

 

Remainers take note!

42 minutes ago, aright said:

While you are extolling the virtues of David Cameron can I remind you of what he said in his resignation speech.

 

"The British people have voted to leave the European Union and their will must be respected."

 

"Britain is a special country - we have so many great advantages - a parliamentary democracy where we resolve great issues about our future through peaceful debate, a great trading nation with our science and arts, our engineering and our creativity, respected the world over."

 

"The British people have made a choice, that not only needs to be respected but those on the losing side of the argument - myself included - should help to make it work."

 

"I love this country and I feel honoured to have served it and I will do everything I can in future to help this great country succeed."

 

Remainers take note!

It was his leaving speech, you didn't expect him to say what he really thought did you nor to tell the truth, after all, he is a politician!

3 hours ago, simoh1490 said:

It was his leaving speech, you didn't expect him to say what he really thought did you nor to tell the truth, after all, he is a politician!

 

Do please try to keep up.

 

David Cameron resigned as PM on 12 July 2016 and resigned his constituency seat at Witney on 12 September 2016, so he is no longer a politician.

31 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

Do please try to keep up.

 

David Cameron resigned as PM on 12 July 2016 and resigned his constituency seat at Witney on 12 September 2016, so he is no longer a politician.

And he was my MP also, at least he was at the time he spoke the words that were quoted!

5 hours ago, simoh1490 said:

It was his leaving speech, you didn't expect him to say what he really thought did you nor to tell the truth, after all, he is a politician!

The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one leg behind her, like a dog at a lamp post. 

31 minutes ago, aright said:

The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one leg behind her, like a dog at a lamp post. 

And  a happy new year to you too.

I want to come back to the issue of The Express and Bill, pay attention please!

 

An example of how inaccurate and misleading this paper really is, it reads:

 

"The pound gained nearly 10 percent against the dollar during the last year. ING predicts the currency will rise to $1.40 in the next three months". 

 

The Pound didn't gain nearly 10 percent against the Dollar, the Dollar LOST nearly 10% against the Pound, a totally different thing altogether. The statement that the Pound gained value leads people to believe it did so because everything is rosy in the Brexit garden, it isn't.

 

 https://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/899974/strong-pound-brexit-ING-Bank-of-England-Theresa-May-Michel-Barnier

 

http://www.macrotrends.net/1329/us-dollar-index-historical-chart

 

 

 

 

47 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

I want to come back to the issue of The Express and Bill, pay attention please!

 

An example of how inaccurate and misleading this paper really is, it reads:

 

"The pound gained nearly 10 percent against the dollar during the last year. ING predicts the currency will rise to $1.40 in the next three months". 

 

The Pound didn't gain nearly 10 percent against the Dollar, the Dollar LOST nearly 10% against the Pound, a totally different thing altogether. The statement that the Pound gained value leads people to believe it did so because everything is rosy in the Brexit garden, it isn't.

 

 https://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/899974/strong-pound-brexit-ING-Bank-of-England-Theresa-May-Michel-Barnier

 

http://www.macrotrends.net/1329/us-dollar-index-historical-chart

 

 

 

 

Now hear this! Now hear this!

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

Now hear this! Now hear this!

You want to read fantasy or fact, your choice, just be aware of the differences which clearly many are not!

Interesting article

Don't envy the Eurozone recovery. It's simply papering over the cracks.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/01/03/britain-wont-remain-sickest-man-europe-long/

1 hour ago, simoh1490 said:

You want to read fantasy or fact, your choice, just be aware of the differences which clearly many are not!

I'm already aware, patronizing lectures on something so far off this topic are not needed.

2 hours ago, simoh1490 said:

I want to come back to the issue of The Express and Bill, pay attention please!

 

An example of how inaccurate and misleading this paper really is, it reads:

 

"The pound gained nearly 10 percent against the dollar during the last year. ING predicts the currency will rise to $1.40 in the next three months". 

 

The Pound didn't gain nearly 10 percent against the Dollar, the Dollar LOST nearly 10% against the Pound, a totally different thing altogether. The statement that the Pound gained value leads people to believe it did so because everything is rosy in the Brexit garden, it isn't.

 

 https://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/899974/strong-pound-brexit-ING-Bank-of-England-Theresa-May-Michel-Barnier

 

http://www.macrotrends.net/1329/us-dollar-index-historical-chart

 

 

 

 

 

I don't read the Express nor do I relly care to read your opinion which, at the end of the day are just your opinions. The same as my opinions and everybody elses opinions.

 

Nor I am I interested in a lecture from you or anybody else.

2 hours ago, simoh1490 said:

I want to come back to the issue of The Express and Bill, pay attention please!

 

An example of how inaccurate and misleading this paper really is, it reads:

 

"The pound gained nearly 10 percent against the dollar during the last year. ING predicts the currency will rise to $1.40 in the next three months". 

 

The Pound didn't gain nearly 10 percent against the Dollar, the Dollar LOST nearly 10% against the Pound, a totally different thing altogether. The statement that the Pound gained value leads people to believe it did so because everything is rosy in the Brexit garden, it isn't.

 

 https://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/899974/strong-pound-brexit-ING-Bank-of-England-Theresa-May-Michel-Barnier

 

http://www.macrotrends.net/1329/us-dollar-index-historical-chart

 

 

 

 

 

I don't read the Express nor do I relly care to read your opinion which, at the end of the day are just your opinions. The same as my opinions and everybody elses opinions.

 

Nor I am I interested in a lecture from you or anybody else.

 

If you want to be a teacher then be one but please don't try to prove how smart you think you are.

6 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

I don't read the Express nor do I relly care to read your opinion which, at the end of the day are just your opinions. The same as my opinions and everybody elses opinions.

 

Nor I am I interested in a lecture from you or anybody else.

 

If you want to be a teacher then be one but please don't try to prove how smart you think you are.

Great, so that means we wont have to listen any more to arguments from anyone about how well the UK is doing during Brexit, based on newspaper articles such as the one I just posted, or based on anything written in the Express or similar, that game is well and truly up! And when an article says the Pound is up, people like you will well and truly understand what that means and you will no longer be confused, right!

 

 

14 hours ago, simoh1490 said:

You want to read fantasy or fact, your choice, just be aware of the differences which clearly many are not!

You should realise that unwelcome fact will attract ridicule from those without rational response.

There are those that would prefer to believe that the current rate on the pound has absolutely nothing to do with brexit. The declining dollar has given a recent boost to the pound but that would be interpreted as support for TM's handling of the brexit fiasco.

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

You should realise that unwelcome fact will attract ridicule from those without rational response.

There are those that would prefer to believe that the current rate on the pound has absolutely nothing to do with brexit. The declining dollar has given a recent boost to the pound but that would be interpreted as support for TM's handling of the brexit fiasco.

Indeed I do. I fear however that there's little hope when Brexiteers don't understand the difference between up and down nor even what it is that's gone up or down!

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

You should realise that unwelcome fact will attract ridicule from those without rational response.

There are those that would prefer to believe that the current rate on the pound has absolutely nothing to do with brexit. The declining dollar has given a recent boost to the pound but that would be interpreted as support for TM's handling of the brexit fiasco.

Ref: my post #12914.

 

1 hour ago, simoh1490 said:

Indeed I do. I fear however that there's little hope when Brexiteers don't understand the difference between up and down nor even what it is that's gone up or down!

Ref: my post #12914.

according to an article that I read, 'remainers' will outnumber brexiters by 2020 as the brexiters (the old nostalgicers) are dying off at the rate of 425,000 a year, so we ought to be back in after that, minus the pound of course.

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2 hours ago, soalbundy said:

according to an article that I read, 'remainers' will outnumber brexiters by 2020 as the brexiters (the old nostalgicers) are dying off at the rate of 425,000 a year, so we ought to be back in after that, minus the pound of course.

To that, Jack Reacher might say:....  "be careful what you wish for!".

On ‎03‎/‎01‎/‎2018 at 9:19 AM, aright said:

 

But you deflect,  and miss my main point!  British voters had a choice and a hand in electing or rejecting who the next Prime Minister should be. 

Can I repeat the question which you seem reluctant to answer.

Perhaps you could tell us how, in your chosen Valhalla, the European Union, you call to account  Barnier, Juncker and the rest of the unelected Cabal in Brussels if things go belly up? 

 

 

 

7 hours ago, sandyf said:

You should realise that unwelcome fact will attract ridicule from those without rational response.

 

What does no response at all attract to a rational, but obviously, unwelcome question? What is worse than ridicule?

 

Somebody has accidentally flipped the surreal switch on this thread, can we get a reset please!

25 minutes ago, aright said:

 

What does no response at all attract to a rational, but obviously, unwelcome question? What is worse than ridicule?

 

One of the questions that the remoaners cannot answer ... because they know the answer...next question please! See above. 

I thought Gove's vision, yesterday, on British Agriculture post Brexit was very good and from what I saw on TV last night welcomed by many farmers.

I see a spokesman for the EU's farming sector has said the member states will need to pay more when the UK's £10.5 billion contribution is no longer available. This involves increasing the current 1% of GNI to 1.2%. Already Sweden the Netherlands and Austria have said they will not pay a penny more. They have asked that rather than ask taxpayers to pay more, Brussels should cut back on waste and cut out unnecessary programmes.

The Common Agricultural Policy costs £51 billion a year......40% of the Clubs entire spending. 

Last month a report by the EU's watchdog found billions of pounds of subsidies paid out to encourage green farming were pocketed by farmers who did nothing to protect the environment with the money.

 

Yep,farmers with big acreages are doing very nicely thankyou out of the EU.I live in the Fens,a farmer near me has a collection of classic cars that would make you green with envy - Bentleys Ferraris Jags - on fine days he takes some of them out for a spin.Nice to know my taxes are going to a good cause !

Yep,farmers with big acreages are doing very nicely thankyou out of the EU.I live in the Fens,a farmer near me has a collection of classic cars that would make you green with envy - Bentleys Ferraris Jags - on fine days he takes some of them out for a spin.Nice to know my taxes are going to a good cause !

Yeah Prince Charles likes your taxes too.