Yingluck in tears over Bt35-bn civil damages

[smutcakes]

Just now, Baerboxer said:

 

You mean largest minority. 

 

Wrong. The current government, for all their ills are seemingly trying to change some things. The Shins would never have changed a system they could control and manipulate to suit themselves. And never did during their rule for most of this century.

 

A) Largest minority fine. Still more than any other group.

b  Change what exactly, they are not trying to change anything? They came in promising reforms, and 2.5 years in, not one of the needed areas of reform has been touched?

 

The system was not created by the Shins it was created and moulded way before them, they just used it the same as it was created. 

[smutcakes]

1 minute ago, robblok said:

 

An other coalition was formed.. perfectly legal.. they brought down a government with their protests and now they moan the yellows did the same. 

 

Who brought down a Government?

[smutcakes]

4 minutes ago, robblok said:

 

That is the thing.. in my country they can't promise things that are not feasible.. so if they buy votes.. they have to cut somewhere else (need to get the money somewhere) so you can't keep everyone happy.  

 

And yes your right in a way its all vote buying.. but in case of YL she kept the things off book because otherwise her budget deficit would have been too big and she would have had to scrap other policies and made people unhappy. 

 

You are purely speculating...

[lust]

She's silly for coming back to Thailand. Who in there right mind would pay 35billion baht to call Thailand home?

[ramrod711]

5 hours ago, tbthailand said:

ah another great thread for the haters... 

 

you guys can revel in your hate, and ignore the obscenity of the process. That's gonna make you all feel just great even if it is a total breach of justice because, ... Thaksin. Ignore the fascism at work in Thailand. Hate feels great. 

 

I hope that the N° 1 clown is listening as the farmers offer to help Yingluck pay for the "damages"... 

 

But I have the feeling that the N°1 clown lacks any and all self-awareness as he pushes on towards revenge. 

 

Maybe he will fine her a billion $ and then convict her of criminal charges and toss her in the klink, ... 

 

If that happens, then it will be time to grab the popcorn and watch the fireworks... 

 

 

Why don't we ask the farmers who committed suicide what they think. Hard working people that were promised a certain price for the fruit of their labor and the abandoned. Promised week after week, month after month. "you will be paid next week". Paid from the proceeds of one of their non existent government to government rice deals? As far as I'm concerned she should go hang herself if she can't meet her obligations, just like the farmers who couldn't pay their bills. People like you enable and forgive this woman, just another whiner in my book.

[robblok]

10 minutes ago, smutcakes said:

 

Who brought down a Government?

 

Reds made Abisith step down.. later the anti government brought down YL.

[robblok]

13 minutes ago, smutcakes said:

 

You are purely speculating...

 

Maybe.. but once it became known the rice policy cost that much she wanted to cut down and the farmers resisted....  so you think cutting policies because the deficit was too big would have made people happy ?

[elgordo38]

1 hour ago, jcsmith said:

 

Not to interrupt your conspiracy theory , but you don't see a difference between people having rights and freedoms which include free speech and the ability to vote, and between one where those rights are taken away? Yeah, there's no such thing in the world as a true democracy where everyone has a say in every single small decision made. But there is certainly a big difference between the democracies of the world and the junta rule we have now.

Your reply still has me running around in circles looking for a democracy. Must go outside and start turning over rocks it has to be hidden somewhere. 

[elgordo38]

2 hours ago, Goingmad said:

What country would that be :) Agreed that her family is smart. Better she stay out of Politics.

Politics only works if your on the "right" side

[smutcakes]

3 minutes ago, robblok said:

 

Maybe.. but once it became known the rice policy cost that much she wanted to cut down and the farmers resisted....  so you think cutting policies because the deficit was too big would have made people happy ?

 

Saying your speculating is correct, then everyone would be very unhappy. So why not have an election and let them lose?

[sandemara]

How can people talk about "justice" in the penalty targetting Yingluck?  There was no court hearing; it was an administrative decision arrived at in secret - no hearing, no open debate, no "public assessment", therefore no opportunity for an appeal, or transparent unbiased analysis of what represents the truth about the rice scheme.  Those who support such methods to deal with apparent "enemies" of the State might one day find themselves in a similar defenceless position.  Would you be equally quick then to support the same process as "fair" or "legal" and accept your fate?

[ramrod711]

9 minutes ago, ramrod711 said:

Why don't we ask the farmers who committed suicide what they think. Hard working people that were promised a certain price for the fruit of their labor and the abandoned. Promised week after week, month after month. "you will be paid next week". Paid from the proceeds of one of their non existent government to government rice deals? As far as I'm concerned she should go hang herself if she can't meet her obligations, just like the farmers who couldn't pay their bills. People like you enable and forgive this woman, just another whiner in my book.

 

 

How about some tears for these people you puppet, fake tears from a fake PM.

[smutcakes]

5 minutes ago, robblok said:

 

Reds made Abisith step down.. later the anti government brought down YL.

 

No Abishith called an election. He should not even of been in power in the first place was it not for army political maneovorings, buying parties etc, something ironically you castigate PTP for.

[robblok]

1 minute ago, smutcakes said:

 

Saying your speculating is correct, then everyone would be very unhappy. So why not have an election and let them lose?

 

Why ? Junta is in power now.. no election needed.. just an arrogant distant leader that wanted to be included in an amnesty that led to the downfall of the government. 

 

She would still be in power and probably would have hidden the cost of the rice program with the Chinese loan if not.. 

 

We can play why not or what if.. but the fact is that now YL is out of power and junta is in power. 

[silent]

5 hours ago, robblok said:

 

The Shins not as bad 

 

I would be loved too if i overspend government money. The Shins are done. 

Don't fret if can't overspend for love. Whenever in doubt a mirror on the wall is always willing to help find the fairest of them all, at no additional cost.  

[smutcakes]

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

 

Why ? Junta is in power now.. no election needed.. just an arrogant distant leader that wanted to be included in an amnesty that led to the downfall of the government. 

 

She would still be in power and probably would have hidden the cost of the rice program with the Chinese loan if not.. 

 

We can play why not or what if.. but the fact is that now YL is out of power and junta is in power. 

 

No she would not, they were getting rid of her regardless. They have the devine right to be in power, and the army more than ever needed to be in power at this time.

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, jayboy said:

 

Actually those of your persuasion were saying at the time they were without doubt Thaksin's paid mercenaries, the armed wing of the Redshirts.

 

Those opposed to Thaksin had every incentive to apprehend, interrogate and pin the blame (follow the money) on the Evil One.That - if successful - would have been curtains for Thaksin.The coupsters and their supporters were desperate to pin even one serious offence on the exiled PM.Yet the Thai state was unable to track even one down - given the context, simply unbelievable.So one draws the inevitable conclusion......

 

Now you are babbling about Cambodian soldiers of fortune.No doubt others equally out of the loop have their own bizarre theories.Who knows?

 

The only clear truth is that those - now silent - screeching that the MIB were Thaksin's hired hands - were caught up in a web of lies.

You have as much proof they were NOT Thaksins hired hands as the other side has they are. Though I tend to believe they were its far more logical .

 

Now bungling investigations is something that is quite common here so I dont see that as proof. 

[smutcakes]

1 minute ago, robblok said:

You have as much proof they were NOT Thaksins hired hands as the other side has they are. Though I tend to believe they were its far more logical .

 

Now bungling investigations is something that is quite common here so I dont see that as proof. 

 

Speaking of bungling how is the promised reforms going? That is after all why they needed a coup, alledgedly for reform.

[robblok]

3 minutes ago, smutcakes said:

 

Speaking of bungling how is the promised reforms going? That is after all why they needed a coup, alledgedly for reform.

Junta screwed up the reforms no denying that.. though they did go after a lot of corruption. That was good.. until the brother of the PM his scandal.

 

So yea.. not much reforms.. but some things have been reformed so the PTP can't ignore the rules in the future. 

[robblok]

7 minutes ago, smutcakes said:

 

No she would not, they were getting rid of her regardless. They have the devine right to be in power, and the army more than ever needed to be in power at this time.

Pure speculation.. the people would never have risen if YL had not made that stupid mistake. If it was pre planned then his arrogance was planned too. 

[smutcakes]

1 minute ago, robblok said:

Junta screwed up the reforms no denying that.. though they did go after a lot of corruption. That was good.. until the brother of the PM his scandal.

 

So yea.. not much reforms.. but some things have been reformed so the PTP can't ignore the rules in the future. 

 

Go on..... what has been reformed so PTP cannot ignore rules in the future? I am genuinely interested to hear this.

[robblok]

1 minute ago, smutcakes said:

 

Go on..... what has been reformed so PTP cannot ignore rules in the future? I am genuinely interested to hear this.

 

Appointed senate among other things.. tougher laws.. they got a new constitution in case you did not notice. 

[lostinisaan]

During her visit to the Northeast yesterday, Yingluck was asked by a soldier who's dressed as a farmer in Si Sa Ket what she would do in response to the administrative order.  

 

      She had not enough time to visit one of the well-known short time establishments in Sisaket. 

Edited November 4, 2016 by lostinisaan

[smutcakes]

9 minutes ago, robblok said:

 

Appointed senate among other things.. tougher laws.. they got a new constitution in case you did not notice. 

 

So in essence you support corruption, as long as its not TS.

 

You must have missed the report about people on the appointed bodies already couraging favour and jockying for position to be Senators. I am sure they are all doing it for the benefit of Thailand.

[ravip]

6 hours ago, yellowboat said:

Who will take their place ?  The Shins, as bad as you think they are, are still loved.  The might that makes things right that you love so much may just make them stronger.   That and the juntas poor performance.   

Who was responsible for building a strong economy in Thailand?

http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2011/08/02/thailand-now-upper-middle-income-economy

 

[A1Str8]

She didn't cry when she thoughtfully pocketed all the money she decided to steal. 

[BlackJack]

maybe if everyone kicked in 100 baht we can help her out of her plight

[sujoop]

Just a sample amongst 853 rice scheme corruption cases:
Faked rice deal  links a red-shirt leader and a Yingluck Pheu Thai party MP and a Thaksin crony insider:
 
Dummy firm tied to govt figures
*Guangzhou-based GSSG Import and Export Corporation, was actually represented by a Thai man called Rathanit Sojirakul, who later authorised Phichit-based Nimon Rakdi to (sign) a contract to purchase 5 million tonnes of rice on the company’s behalf. ...Rathanit was a close aide to Pheu Thai MP Rapeephan Phongruangrong, who is the wife of red-shirt leader Arisman Phongruangrong. ...Rathanit, who claimed to be the authorised representative of the Chinese firm, only has Bt64.63 in his bank account...
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/politics/aec/30195106
 
Telling comment from Yingluck's (Thaksin's) Commerce minister:
“(After buying the rice) I won’t be investigating what buyers do with it,” he said.
 
Obviously Yingluck + Commerce Minister were not at all interested in investigating their own corruption laden program but some may ask, so what did happen to the rice in this supposedly 'innocent normal subsidy deal'?
 
*The G-to-G deal was a fake because no rice was exported to the Chinese firm. Instead, the huge amount of milled rice was sold locally at below market price by the Foreign Trade Department to a ghost buyer who then sold the rice at market price to the two Thai firms which have their own rice mills and later on the same amount of rice were pledged with the government at pledging prices which are about 40 percent above market price.
 
The gang, it was alleged, made double profits from the same amount of rice.
http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/pm-yingluck-probed-connection-fake-rice-deal/
 
*Meanwhile, the poorest farmers weren't even part of the program. The program was a fraud from the outset. Yet Shin-shills on here would forgive all because as Yingluck stated 'We came from election' (therefore can do whatever they wish apparently).

However, once you have MASS CORRUPTION combined with MASS ABROGATION, SUBVERSION and MANIPULATION of CHECKS and BALANCES which form the very underpinnings of democracy, then you have made the very intent of democracy VOID. Ergo: Democracy was ceased by the Shins actions (yet again, nevermind amnesty for 'the boss').
 

The past 2 coups were an unfortunate re-set caused by the above, all brought about by the avarice and self-serving over-reach of Thaksin. Simply stating 'but we came from election' is moot once they have all but destroyed the very intent and underpinnings of democracy. But these are the low woeful standards which Shin supporters seem to 'aspire to' for the Thai people... Others reluctantly agree a re-set was sadly needed or the road to an unhindered & autocratic dynasty similar to a Marcos or Suharto or Hun Sen was assured.
 

Ultimately in the the rice scheme/fraud, unfortunately Yingluck chose to go along with 'Thaksin speaks / Yingluck does'. In fairness, she had no choice. The result is she willfully turned a blind eye to an 8+ billion USD plunder, therefore is guilty at the least of 'gross negligence of duty'  (as charged) which is specifically NOT excused under the civil liability law to protect public servants - despite Shin-shills hard 'at work'  here spinning, deflecting and ultimately defending on behalf of a despot multi-billionaire task master.

 

 

Edited November 4, 2016 by sujoop
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[robblok]

4 minutes ago, geronimo said:

And you think western nations DO have real democracy?

 

My country.. sure.. cant talk about other countries. 

[Artisi]

1 hour ago, smutcakes said:

 

So in essence you support corruption, as long as its not TS.

 

You must have missed the report about people on the appointed bodies already couraging favour and jockying for position to be Senators. I am sure they are all doing it for the benefit of Thailand.

Of course they are, the furthest thing from their minds would be self interest , although I have been wrong on a couple of occasions ?