The anti-Trump resistance takes shape: 'Government's supposed to fear us'

[Jingthing]

George Takei (Star Trek) trying to inspire the up and coming leaders of the anti-trump resistance.

 

 

Dudes, this resistance is really happening and there are really good reasons.

 

-- Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by over 3 million votes

-- Authoritarian Russian dictator Putin actively helped trump win the election, and trump's response is to act like it didn't happen, and even further, indulge in a Putin love fest

-- A normal president would respond to such a situation by aggressively reaching out to the MAJORITY of Americans that oppose him. Instead he speaks ONLY to his base, and demonizes Americans that don't support him, in  a style reminiscent of Senator Joseph McCarthy. 

 

Back to Takei:
 

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George Takei: "Welcome to the Resistance"

In the wake of Donald Trump's election victory, many have written to me asking how to move forward.

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So welcome to the resistance. It’s where the next heroes of our movement will emerge. Be ready. Be vigilant. Be strong.

 

 

[Jingthing]

As I think almost all older Americans get, pro or anti-trump, the PSYCHOLOGY around this recent election is very, very different. We're in unchartered territory. Never had a president anything like trump, and the question about whether our democracy will survive his regime is a widely shared and legitimate concern. 

 

Americans who voted against Trump are feeling unprecedented dread and despair

This time it is different and, in my experience, unique. This is not simply a case of Hillary Clinton supporters being bad losers. For most of those who feel traumatized by what happened on Nov. 8, this is not about the candidate who won the popular vote, yet lost the election. It is about the candidate who was picked as president by the electoral college on Monday. People are mourning because the fate of their country will now be in the hands of an intellectually disinterested, reckless, mendacious narcissist.

 

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-american-dread-20161220-story.html

Edited December 26, 2016 by Jingthing

[lannarebirth]

56 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

As I think almost all older Americans get, pro or anti-trump, the PSYCHOLOGY around this recent election is very, very different. We're in unchartered territory. Never had a president anything like trump, and the question about whether our democracy will survive his regime is a widely shared and legitimate concern. 

 

Americans who voted against Trump are feeling unprecedented dread and despair

This time it is different and, in my experience, unique. This is not simply a case of Hillary Clinton supporters being bad losers. For most of those who feel traumatized by what happened on Nov. 8, this is not about the candidate who won the popular vote, yet lost the election. It is about the candidate who was picked as president by the electoral college on Monday. People are mourning because the fate of their country will now be in the hands of an intellectually disinterested, reckless, mendacious narcissist.

 

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-american-dread-20161220-story.html

 

"We're in unchartered territory."  Un"charted" Territory is correct. Now take me off ignore.

 

Happy Hanukkah/Festivus/Holidays and a Happy New Year to you. 

[Jingthing]

The geographical capital of the resistance to incoming American authoritarian man baby trump?

 

Yes, you guessed it.

 

SAN FRANCISCO.

 

It's the step beyond mourning. 

People that thought this wasn't real or wouldn't last, you're wrong.

There is no other logical response in this harsh new political environment:

http://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/The-Resistance-to-Trump-is-rooted-in-the-Bay-Area-10786957.php

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The Resistance to Trump is rooted in the Bay Area

Californians may be largely locked out of the Trump administration, but they are quickly forming the hub of what’s being called the Resistance.
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With Democrats in the political minority in Washington, many Resisters feel it’s on them to protect what’s sacred, because politicians won’t be able to do it. They say it’s time to move beyond mourning Hillary Clinton’s defeat and start counter-attacking — quickly, because Trump takes office in less than six weeks.

Edited December 27, 2016 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

Practical resistance suggestions:

 

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20 Lessons from the 20th Century on How to Survive in Trump’s America

 

A history professor looks to the past to remind us to do what we can in the face of the unthinkable.

 

Americans are no wiser than the Europeans who saw democracy yield to fascism, Nazism or communism. Our one advantage is that we might learn from their experience. Now is a good time to do so. Here are 20 lessons from across the fearful 20th century, adapted to the circumstances of today.

 

http://inthesetimes.com/article/19658/20-lessons-from-the-20th-century-on-how-to-survive-in-trumps-america

[Ulysses G.]

On 12/23/2016 at 9:38 AM, beechguy said:

 

No personal baiting at all, just pointing out the double standard the liberals are using. I don't expect you to defend every liberal, and I'm not defending every conservative. I just notice the term racist, bigot, homophobe, etc. gets thrown around very easily, mostly by liberals. I think many times it's a matter of opinion, rather than a matter of fact.

 

All this ridiculous hyperbole just helps Trump in the end. Most people realize how ridiculous it is and ignore anything coming from the left. That is how Trump got elected in the first place.

[Morch]

10 hours ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

All this ridiculous hyperbole just helps Trump in the end. Most people realize how ridiculous it is and ignore anything coming from the left. That is how Trump got elected in the first place.

 

It would depend how you define "left", sometimes it seems anyone not supporting Trump is "the left". If that's so, then "most people" would probably be a wide exaggeration.

[Jingthing]

Some words of advice from a foreigner that knows the danger of a populist takeover to the trump resistance:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/i-watched-a-populist-leader-rise-in-my-country-and-that-is-why-i-am-genuinely-worried-for-america/2016/12/27/6b4cf632-cc65-11e6-b8a2-8c2a61b0436f_story.html

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I watched a populist leader rise in my country. That’s why I’m genuinely worried for America.


It is the public’s moral indignation over nepotism that has proved to be the nemesis of illiberal regimes. Personal and family greed, cronyism, thievery combined with hypocrisy are in the genes of illiberal autocracy; and in many countries betrayed expectations of a selfless strongman have led to a civic awakening.

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Edited December 28, 2016 by Jingthing

[rabas]

5 hours ago, Morch said:

16 hours ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

All this ridiculous hyperbole just helps Trump in the end. Most people realize how ridiculous it is and ignore anything coming from the left. That is how Trump got elected in the first place.

 

It would depend how you define "left", sometimes it seems anyone not supporting Trump is "the left". If that's so, then "most people" would probably be a wide exaggeration.

 

Well, that really makes me wonder, has it all been one giant mistake?

 

I don't  see any huge swell of Trump supporters, but surely many people had reason not to vote for Clinton. Now you say there is no great unified left, and surely that's true too. But surely many really couldn't vote for Trump as well.  Same, same.

 

Is it possible that the vast majority of Americans, left and right, and middle, could get along, accept our differences, if it weren't for the politicians screaming at us through bullhorns into the vast echo chamber we live in called the media/Internet?

 

Maybe it's time to stop questioning each other and start questioning the politicians, together.

[JetsetBkk]

1 hour ago, rabas said:

I don't  see any huge swell of Trump supporters

 

We're the silent majority, excluding California of course.

We enjoy the hyperbole from the Dems - it makes us laugh as it will change nothing.

Have a happy, Trumpy, New Year.

 

Roll on the 20th 

[Elkski]

I think Hillary is Past. No reason to talk about spilled milk.. She lost for what ever reason and there were many. I hope the Clintons go find something useful to do.  They are at least basically good people and not as corrupt as the Trump. But they have plenty of big money connections and the people were against that.   I had to vote for her as I saw Da Don getting so strong and even my own uneducated parents were/are trumpified.  I think it will come to pass that all of you trump voters will someday in the future want to hide that you voted for this evil man.   Thats just my opinion but history will tell.  My dim parents think the economy and unemployment has worsened under Mr O. They dont have a 401k or stock or they would know that the Dow has climbed over 100% last 8 years. Only thing they  have besides a  pension is a  great healthcare plan, so they think the Affordable Care Act is bad..They like big Pharma and think Oxy is ok but pot not. THey live in a pot legal state.  I am surprised but I think they really are showing a raciest streak.  They think Obama care is bad even though I tell them what else would I have... In fact their healthcare is too good.. Grandfathered in from blue collar careers before men like Trump came in and raped companies pension and health plans. In fact they have used their health care dollars plus mine and their grandchildren's and have had no reason to lose the extra 100kg between them for the last 25 years.

Just look at how many of trumps pics so far were his top 10 donors... this should be illegal  

Edited December 28, 2016 by Elkski
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[Ulysses G.]

5 minutes ago, Elkski said:

 My dim parents think the economy and unemployment has worsened under Mr O. THey dont have a 401k or stock or they would know that the Dow has climbed over 100% last 8 years.

 

 

Maybe they are not so dim. The economy is weak for the middle class, but fine for many of the wealthy. I am guessing that they are not super-rich.

[Elkski]

What numbers, facts or basis is it weak for the middle class?  I view middle as family making 50-150k/year.  My folks have been retired for over 10 years.  They are a product of mainstream news IMHO. 

Edited December 28, 2016 by Elkski

[Ulysses G.]

6 minutes ago, Elkski said:

What numbers, facts or basis is it weak for the middle class?  I view middle as family making 50-150k/year. l

 

There is TONS of documentation on this:

 

America's Middle Class Is Unlucky

 

Why should America's richest families have to withstand yet another tax increase to benefit poorer Americans? The short answer is that the United States has, since the turn of the century, cemented its status as the best place in the world to be among the working rich, while poorer workers have suffered compared to those in other advanced countries.

Here's the longer answer: Twenty-five years ago, the United States was the richest country in the world, for richer and for poorer, for both the 10th percentile and the 99th. Although America's richest 50 percent is still the richest top half of any country, our distinction as the land of opportunity is eroding from the bottom up, as The Upshot elegantly showed. American superiority is rotting from the bottom up.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/01/americas-other-half-problem/384588/

 

The (so called) partisan, "anti-Trump resistance" just ignores these facts.

 

Edited December 28, 2016 by Ulysses G.

[Elkski]

I prefer to not associate with any political party... We need to have 5-6 parties like Canada has.  I dont see where your article supports your claim....  Sure the top 1-5% have been gaining wealth at a crazy rate.. Just look at crazy CEO salaries.... That and globalization is much of the erosion of the middle class.... and the top tax payers have been befitting from  the tax breaks from the Bushes.     I think a big blame needs to be put on all the big banking companies who robbed America with no jail time... and the housing industry scandal... and we may be on another stock bubble. 

Yes salary stagnation has occurred but I think many times do to the owner taking more profits than was socially acceptable 40 years ago. Look at the excesses even owners of drywall companies have in their lives these days...  multiple African safaris, Boats, RV's  Mexican vacations.... no small business owner did this back in the 70's  .

we need to rid the country of all health insurance companies who's executives make 250k and carry no malpractice risk.  Now its 10 employees per doctor.. and look at all these super profitable insurance companies and drug companies. 

Edited December 28, 2016 by Elkski

[Jingthing]

Sometimes NOT acting is an act of resistance.

 

Bravo to Jan Chamberlin!

 

She won't sing for trump!

 

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Chamberlin wrote that by “singing for this man” the choir would appear to be “endorsing” tyranny and fascism, and its image would be “severely damaged.” Moreover, she wrote, it would leave many feeling betrayed, as she already did.

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“I only know I could never ‘throw roses to Hitler,’ ” wrote Chamberlin, who did not immediately return a request seeking comment Friday. “And I certainly could never sing for him.”

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/12/30/a-mormon-tabernacle-choir-member-is-resigning-because-the-group-agreed-to-sing-for-trump/?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_choir-trump-640pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.4091e58caa70

[Elkski]

It should be a no brainier to want to attend, much less perform at, a US presidential  inauguration.  But not this year!    This must feel terrible to da Don

[Saastrajaa]

[thaibeachlovers]

On 12/29/2016 at 7:04 AM, JetsetBkk said:

 

We're the silent majority, excluding California of course.

We enjoy the hyperbole from the Dems - it makes us laugh as it will change nothing.

Have a happy, Trumpy, New Year.

 

Roll on the 20th 

True.

I am constantly amused by all this "anti Trump resistance" warbling. The man isn't even president, and the amount of pixels being wasted telling us things that they can't possibly know that he will do is astounding.

Never mind, it's a great comedy thread. 

[ilostmypassword]

On 12/29/2016 at 3:19 AM, Ulysses G. said:

 

There is TONS of documentation on this:

 

America's Middle Class Is Unlucky

 

Why should America's richest families have to withstand yet another tax increase to benefit poorer Americans? The short answer is that the United States has, since the turn of the century, cemented its status as the best place in the world to be among the working rich, while poorer workers have suffered compared to those in other advanced countries.

Here's the longer answer: Twenty-five years ago, the United States was the richest country in the world, for richer and for poorer, for both the 10th percentile and the 99th. Although America's richest 50 percent is still the richest top half of any country, our distinction as the land of opportunity is eroding from the bottom up, as The Upshot elegantly showed. American superiority is rotting from the bottom up.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/01/americas-other-half-problem/384588/

 

The (so called) partisan, "anti-Trump resistance" just ignores these facts.

 

Do you realize that Trump is proposing a huge tax cuts for the super wealthy? Or did that somehow escape your notice. As for the decline of the middle class, that began with Reagan and his massive tax cuts. And his slashing of regulations on the Savings and Loan industry didn't help either.

[craigt3365]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

True.

I am constantly amused by all this "anti Trump resistance" warbling. The man isn't even president, and the amount of pixels being wasted telling us things that they can't possibly know that he will do is astounding.

Never mind, it's a great comedy thread. 

With respect, he brings this on himself with ridiculous tweets and statements.  Not very presidential.

[Elkski]

Yes a comedy show with nuke codes in 18 days.   Grab some pussy while you can. 

[boomerangutang]

On 11/21/2016 at 0:23 PM, Maverell said:

Very similar to what's happening in Britain and later it will spread to other countries in Europe....

The stunned losers are just a bunch of out of touch so called elites who seem unaware of what is happening in the real world, or if they are aware they don't give a hoot about the normal person in their country.

 

           So, according to Maverell, those of us who want to see America progress toward peace and decency are 'out of touch' with the real world?    Ok, you convinced me.  I should accept reality, accept Trump, and his pussy-grabbing America-harming ways.   Alright, I accept him, and will also accept America being shafted where the sun don't shine.  

 

Am I more acceptable now - in the eyes of Trump fanatics?  Perhaps I can now apply for a job as one of Trump's spokespeople - just as soon as I can learn how to lie/divert/obfuscate 20 times a minute.

[boomerangutang]

12 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

True. I am constantly amused by all this "anti Trump resistance" warbling. The man isn't even president, and the amount of pixels being wasted telling us things that they can't possibly know that he will do is astounding. Never mind, it's a great comedy thread. 

 

         True, he isn't officially president yet, but he's already poised to kick America hard in the groin.  Look at the people he's appointed to important positions.  To say they're inept super-rich old white men without a clue regarding their positions, is putting it too nicely.  There's a reason Trump hides away from press briefings.  Even Trump knows he'll be fricassed and lambasted every time he opens his dumb-ass pie hole.  He will be shown to be the America-harming <deleted> he is.

[Jingthing]

Back to the 60's?

 

 

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THE RETURN OF CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE

The sixties produced a conviction that “democracy is in the streets.” The Trump era may echo that.

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But, with a Republican majority that has mostly shown compliance with Trump, despite his contempt for the norms of democracy, the fear is that he will achieve much of what he wants. Even if he accomplishes only half, the landscape of American politics and policy will be radically altered. This prospect has recalled another phenomenon of the nineteen-sixties: the conviction that “democracy is in the streets.”

 

 

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/09/the-return-of-civil-disobedience

 

 

[Thakkar]

On 12/31/2016 at 11:36 PM, Elkski said:

It should be a no brainier to want to attend, much less perform at, a US presidential  inauguration.  But not this year!    This must feel terrible to da Don

 

Tweet from ANI:

 

ANI (@ANI_news)

3/01/2017, 2:19 AM

 

Bollywood celebrities will b performing at inauguration of Donald Trump on Jan 20-Manasvi Mamgai,India Ambassador,Republican Hindu Coalition pic.twitter.com/iY7F6GCi2m

 

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Looks like foreigners are again doing the dirty jobs Americans refuse to do.

 

T

 

[craigt3365]

4 minutes ago, Thakkar said:

 

Tweet from ANI:

 

ANI (@ANI_news)

3/01/2017, 2:19 AM

 

Bollywood celebrities will b performing at inauguration of Donald Trump on Jan 20-Manasvi Mamgai,India Ambassador,Republican Hindu Coalition pic.twitter.com/iY7F6GCi2m

 

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Looks like foreigners are again doing the dirty jobs Americans refuse to do.

It's a free country.  People can do what they want.  But yes, potentially a dirty job welcoming in a president that's had such harsh things to say about women and minorities.

 

Here's the way it's done:

http://www.peoplesworld.org/article/rockettes-refuse-to-perform-at-trump-inaugural/

 

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Rockettes refuse to perform at Trump inaugural.

Despite their fears, many Rockettes spoke out, publicly. They told the press that they did not want to perform for a president-elect who is sexist, anti-Latino, anti-LGBT and who threatens their colleagues who are undocumented immigrants working as stage hands.

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Fortunately, the company has agreed that all participation in this particular event will be voluntary.

 

 

Congrats to the Rockettes.

[lannarebirth]

1 hour ago, craigt3365 said:

It's a free country.  People can do what they want.  But yes, potentially a dirty job welcoming in a president that's had such harsh things to say about women and minorities.

 

Here's the way it's done:

http://www.peoplesworld.org/article/rockettes-refuse-to-perform-at-trump-inaugural/

 

 

Congrats to the Rockettes.

 

Ratting out the stage hands immigration status doesn't smell like a victory to me. Not for the stage hands anyway.

Edited January 3, 2017 by lannarebirth

[craigt3365]

25 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

Ratting out the stage hands immigration status doesn't smell like a victory to me. Not for the stage hands anyway.

Who ratted them out?  These are people Trump is going after.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 1/2/2017 at 5:56 PM, craigt3365 said:

With respect, he brings this on himself with ridiculous tweets and statements.  Not very presidential.

I've never read a "tweet" from him or anyone else. Information for the sheeple, IMO. If people want to read stupid things probably intended to annoy the lefties, they only have themselves to blame if getting upset.

As for his statements, I never pay much attention to what any politician has to say, as usually, in my experience, when they say anything at all a very large dose of skepticism is required, and it's probably untrue anyway. Unfortunately, IMO, Trump has become a politician. Much like at the end of Animal Farm when the pigs become just like humans.