In thailand without visa

[sanemax]

13 minutes ago, VodkaWizard said:

Sanemax,  Are you sure that is the case for all laos borders?  say he said he arrived from vietnam to Laos and then lost hes passport in Laos, do you really think they have all records in a database from every single remote border in that country?  And even then ,how to tell if there weren't a computer breakdown at the time he entered? With a new passport I doubt they will throw you in jail anyway

 

   If he had lost bhis PP in Laos, then he wouldnt have been able to enter Thailand legally , he would have to report his PP lost in Laos and then get a new one there

   All borders that I now of have computers and they take your photo and all your entries and exits are stored on the computer .

  You also have to fill out an entry card, which they keep .

[whooliggen]

I just wanted to say thanks to all those who contributed really useful and helpful info concerning what was needed in regards to my overstay debacle.

 

"Thank you" !!!

 

Very happy to report that I am safely back in Thailand with my fresh O visa after what can only be described as probably the most incredible couple of 'traveling days' I have ever enjoyed. I will spare you all the details, much of which I doubt would be believed anyway, but suffice it to say that I'm so very grateful for being recommended to take the Lao option and it will make a pukka chapter in the book of life !!

 

Thank you one and all, sincerely.......

 

 

[A1Str8]

1 hour ago, elviajero said:

 

 

There is no specific law regarding overstay. It is classed as staying in the country without permission. Overstaying or entering illegally falls under the same clause in the Immigration Act. In either case the alien can be deported.

Section 54 : Any alien who enters or come to stay in the Kingdom without permission or when such permission expires or is revoked , the competent official will deport such alien out of the Kingdom. 

 

Anyone that overstays or enters illegally can be penalized as follows. 

Section 81 : Any alien who stay in the Kingdom without permission or with permission expired or revoked shall be punished with imprisonment not exceeding two years or a fine not exceeding 20,000 Baht or both. 

 

If your friend gets caught they will be arrested and prosecuted. They will be fined by the court which should be less than 20K at around 5-6K. They would be detained until providing a flight to their home country. They would almost certainly be banned for overstaying for 10 years.

yeah that's what I meant. he will be sentenced/prosecuted then he will be forced to leave/deported.

[LivinLOS]

9 hours ago, VodkaWizard said:

That is the problem . he doesnt have the old passport,and he cannot go to Myanmar because of the situation with business dealings in that country. 

 

Does he have any valid current passport ?? Is it full of stamps or virgin ?? While land and air borders will be a problem.. The sailing option is, while still a risk, certainly more possible... 

 

Cruising yachts tend to land, refuel, rewater and onward without full immigration formalities not uncommonly.. done it myself in langkawai.. I would hazard a guess if he could find direct passage to Indo, as a more distant 3rd country, they wouldnt be as hot on what prior entry and exits were expected to match. 

 

Theres no good options.. But if I was in his place, I would be looking to sail in somewhere to generate an entry stamp. Might even be possible in langkawai as they have a northern anchorage and you can then go on the island, travelling by land to report at immigration at the southern pier where immigration is. Its conceivable to claim you were dropped 'taxi like' at the northern point and your vessel has left you there after heading onwards. 

[LivinLOS]

8 hours ago, sanemax said:

 

   If he had lost bhis PP in Laos, then he wouldnt have been able to enter Thailand legally , he would have to report his PP lost in Laos and then get a new one there

   All borders that I now of have computers and they take your photo and all your entries and exits are stored on the computer .

  You also have to fill out an entry card, which they keep .

 

yes was camera recorded at 2 Laos borders last week. 

 

Your not going to just 'appear' incountry and get out again. 

[LivinLOS]

EDIT reading further above.. Seems did just that  

[BritTim]

10 hours ago, VodkaWizard said:

 

 

 

Do you have any knowledge of which borders that would be best for a this kind of bribe (in exchange for a exit stamp)?

 

I have heard rumors, but it would be against the terms of use for this site to help you with illegal solutions. You will need to find your own way.

 

Ant official providing you with a stamp without leaving a record in the computer (necessary in your case) is taking a major risk of discovery. It can be linked back to the responsible official.

[moonray]

11 hours ago, sanemax said:

 

   You will have to contact a lawyer to make "arrangements" .

Its about 50 000 Baht to avoid getting a ban , although they may not be able to assist you, because you have no Burma exit stamp or Thai entry stamp

There are people in Bangkok who have all necessary stamps.It is not hard to find them,just open your mind.

What do you think? - there are 10 000 "refugees" in Indonesia without documents,who arrived from quite distant countries(Afgan,Syria,etc.) - by teleportation????

[seedy]

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[ldiablo72]

So this guy enters Thailand illegally by boat and somehow you turn it into the fault of corruption by immigration. Good luck. Hope he enjoys the Bangkok Hilton. He certainly deserves a free stay.

[ldiablo72]

So, he is "on overstay" in Myanmar, now, as far as the paperwork is concerned?  Does he still have the passport he used to enter Myanmar?  Maybe that should be his next stop, and settle things there?  Or maybe that would only add to his legal troubles / risk.  Best advice is talk to a good lawyer.

Actually Jack, he is not on "overstay" He is in the country illegally. To be classed as being on overstay you first have to have been permitted to stay to begin with, which clearly this guy hasn't.

[ubonjoe]

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[NancyL]

Perhaps a visit to his Embassy in Bangkok could be enlightening ... or not.  They certainly would be willing to assist if he doesn't currently have a valid passport.  That should be a top priority -- to have a valid passport.  Without that, there is little else that can be done.  As for helping him with his other troubles, well they may not be so helpful.

[JackThompson]

2 hours ago, ldiablo72 said:

Actually Jack, he is not on "overstay" He is in the country illegally. To be classed as being on overstay you first have to have been permitted to stay to begin with, which clearly this guy hasn't.

He is in Thailand illegally, yes.  I was referring to 'being on overstay' in Myanmar - not in Thailand (according to their records, he is still there?).  But sounds like he has other troubles there (which led to his coming to Thailand illegally) so he cannot try to reverse his steps.

Edited December 6, 2016 by JackThompson

[FritsSikkink]

I can understand he had issues in Myanmar and had to leave the country quickly. Staying in Thailand for 3 years without doing anything to solve the issue is a joke.  

[maewang99]

no one is taken back at all that the OP in a earlier subsequent post on this same thread wrote that large amounts of money would otherwise be involved and that that's the only reason this fellow from Austria didn't have a visa from the gitgo. 

only me?

Holy Smokes Batman!!!!!

 

Edited December 7, 2016 by maewang99

[true blue]

If the guy is under the radar.why not just stay there.

[Suradit69]

So when he was on the boat did he have a boatload ( so to speak) of cash to live off of for three years or is money be sent in to his Thai bank account that he opened without a passport or has he been living "off the land?"

 

I know we're not supposed to be judgmental about any farang ( we reserve that for Thai bashing), but seriously this guy sounds like a real gem. Hopefully the O/P hasn't been assisting his "friend" in evading the law or providing him with lodging without notifying immigrations. His friendship could turn out to be costly.

[UPDEHSOI]

On 12/5/2016 at 6:44 AM, sanemax said:

He should go to a land border, walk a kilometer away, jump over the border fence , walk to the Laos border and just walk through Laos immigration, if they ask why he didnt get stamped out of Thailand, he just has to say that he fell out an aeroplane and landed in the space between Thailand and Laos and so he wasnt in Thailand at all .

    Tell him to take a bed sheet along with some rope attached to each corner and tell Laos immigration that  he used that as a parachute 

Hmmm, naw, I don't think this would work...even in Lao. If he tells them he "fell" out of a plane, sooner or later someone is bound to ask him, what deh heck are you doing with the bed sheet and ropes?

[Oishii]

I would suggest your friend get a boat back to Myanmar and then deal with any overstay there.  Then, once that has been done, maybe he could enter Thailand legally.

[lee b]

I never understand why people get themselves into these situations. Countries in this part of the world don't stand for such actions. This guy obviously knew he was in the wrong and I hope he gets kicked out and the 10 year ban. After all the visas i have obtained over the years I have no sympathy for him.

[Tchooptip]

On 05/12/2016 at 7:21 PM, midas said:

Anyone who messes around with the Laos authorities must be stark raving mad.

You should read the book by Australians John and Kerry Danes about their experience of being held in a Laos prison for many years.

And the Laos authorities wouldn't even listen when even John Howard the Prime Minister and Alexander Downer the Foreign Minister intervened on their behalf and at that time Australia was one of the biggest aid donors to Laos.

Thailand's detention centres and prisons would be like holiday camps compared to being detained in Laos

 

http://www.phaseloop.com/foreignprisoners/case-danes.html

 

Thanks for this "scary" link 

[sanemax]

The OP must have been involved in something serious if the Burmese authorities still looking for him three years later

    It could be that he only commuted a crime in Burma recently and only came to Thailand recently  to escape

  BTW, did they ever catch the guy who murdered his teacher colleague in Burma?

[little mary sunshine]

Find another friend....this one will no

doubt be headed to jail!

[duanebigsby]

He's screwed. No point offering advice. He goes back home voluntarily before he's deported. End of.

[Raymonddiaz]

On 12/6/2016 at 0:51 AM, VodkaWizard said:

So they just check the stamps mostly? or will the immigration people look closely to see if your face fit the picture in your passport? 

The best option for him is to go back to Myanmar by boat. the same way he arrived in thailand and ask to be deported to his country of origin. 

[ldiablo72]

He is in Thailand illegally, yes.  I was referring to 'being on overstay' in Myanmar - not in Thailand (according to their records, he is still there?).  But sounds like he has other troubles there (which led to his coming to Thailand illegally) so he cannot try to reverse his steps.

Sorry, my mistake.

[Jeremy50]

Walk back to Austria avoiding all border crossings, from whence you can then get a new passport and pair of shoes.

[louse1953]

On 12/5/2016 at 7:21 PM, midas said:

Anyone who messes around with the Laos authorities must be stark raving mad.

You should read the book by Australians John and Kerry Danes about their experience of being held in a Laos prison for many years.

And the Laos authorities wouldn't even listen when even John Howard the Prime Minister and Alexander Downer the Foreign Minister intervened on their behalf and at that time Australia was one of the biggest aid donors to Laos.

Thailand's detention centres and prisons would be like holiday camps compared to being detained in Laos

 

http://www.phaseloop.com/foreignprisoners/case-danes.html

 

Nobody listened to lil Johnny and Dolly Downer.It was their fault an Ozzy lad was murdered by the KR.

[louse1953]

On 12/6/2016 at 1:22 AM, VodkaWizard said:

Sanemax,  Are you sure that is the case for all laos borders?  say he said he arrived from vietnam to Laos and then lost hes passport in Laos, do you really think they have all records in a database from every single remote border in that country?  And even then ,how to tell if there weren't a computer breakdown at the time he entered? With a new passport I doubt they will throw you in jail anyway

Now you are clutching at straws.You or your friend should have sorted this 3 years ago.You will pay the penalty now for your slackness.No money,it will be some sort of jail/detention..