Scotland's Sturgeon says: I can win an independence vote

[Blindedbythelight]

On 17/3/2560 at 5:01 PM, mommysboy said:

Many older Scots are very wary of Scots Nats and rightly so.  They will not take responsibility for debts you can be sure of that!  In fact, their stance is that it is not their debt.

 

As a nuclear free state Im not sure what their status would be within NATO.

Only three NATO countries have Nukes. And if they don't take their sure of the debt; they the Brit's will cut off the pensions, of people over 65 yrs. 2 % of GDP has to go to NATO. If they say no, you better learn to speak Russian.

[Blindedbythelight]

On 13/3/2560 at 7:56 PM, NanLaew said:

Or at least wait until oil prices improve?

Let them pay back England for building everything needed to take the oil, from the bottom of the North Sea.

[siam2007]

39 minutes ago, Blindedbythelight said:

Let them pay back England for building everything needed to take the oil, from the bottom of the North Sea.

 

England will need some money indeed to pay the giant double-digit billion debt at the EU

[RuamRudy]

Let them pay back England for building everything needed to take the oil, from the bottom of the North Sea.

I think that it was a UK government that facilitated those activities, with finance from oil companies and international banks. Nothing specifically English about it.

[Blindedbythelight]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

 

I think that it was a UK government that facilitated those activities, with finance from oil companies and international banks. Nothing specifically English about it.

And the UK Government is ......... Spanish or French or Canadian or American or Chinese ???   or English ?

[RuamRudy]

Just now, Blindedbythelight said:

And the UK Government is ......... Spanish or French or Canadian or American or Chinese ???   or English ?

 

I rest my case.

[Blindedbythelight]

4 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

I rest my case.

 

4 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

I rest my case.

Rest ! I think you fell asleep :)

Have a good day.

[stander]

VOTERS have sent a clear message to Nicola Sturgeon as she draws up her currency plans for any independence campaign, with Scots ten to one in favour of keeping the pound.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/778000/scotland-currency-pounds-nicola-sturgeon-indyref2-snp

 

 

[sandyf]

4 hours ago, Blindedbythelight said:

Let them pay back England for building everything needed to take the oil, from the bottom of the North Sea.

If you want to take that point of view, you would have accept that England was responsible for Piper Alpha, which is obviously ridiculous. All the UK government did was issue licences and reap the rewards, the oil companies funded the exploration and extraction.

Only the delusional would think that England had not already been paid. This says it all.

 

"Had Thatcher been a truly visionary politician, she would have established a wealth fund for the oil windfall, not squandered it on tax cuts and current spending."

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/04/thatcher-and-north-sea-oil-–-failure-invest-britain’s-future

[Blindedbythelight]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

If you want to take that point of view, you would have accept that England was responsible for Piper Alpha, which is obviously ridiculous. All the UK government did was issue licences and reap the rewards, the oil companies funded the exploration and extraction.

Only the delusional would think that England had not already been paid. This says it all.

 

"Had Thatcher been a truly visionary politician, she would have established a wealth fund for the oil windfall, not squandered it on tax cuts and current spending."

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/04/thatcher-and-north-sea-oil-–-failure-invest-britain’s-future

Wealth was spread throughout the UK.

[evadgib]

Link to all things Brexit:

Department for Exiting the European Union

[stander]

Why Scotland needs two more referendums.

https://capx.co/why-scotland-needs-two-more-referendums/?omhide=true

[RuamRudy]

19 hours ago, Blindedbythelight said:

Wealth was spread throughout the UK.

People from every corner of the British Isles contributed to making the North Sea a world leader in innovation, pushing what was then the forefront of engineering and technology. Anyone who has stood on a platform in hurricane type weather cannot fail to have been in awe of those who made it possible to be there and to remain safe.  

 

As Sandy says, the failure was of the British government squandering the income from the North Sea, pursuing their Reaganist ideology: every British person was let down by Thatcher and her followers.

[evadgib]

31 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

every British person was let down by Thatcher and her followers.

Not me pal. Maggie remains the best PM since WW2 and let's not forget her triumphs included the Falklands; Scargill; gaining the upper hand re IRA and bringing an end to the cold war. She had the odd fault but was not in the same league as the likes of B-liar and will never be matched by your poisoned dwarf.

 

Edited March 21, 2017 by evadgib

[jonwilly]

Maggie  slapped down the left wing and they will do all they can to ruin her name.

I remember a couple of years back on day of her funeral.

The left had decided on massive protest, yet on the day they were as quiet as a church mouse.

The Socialist never stop trying to bring their twisted policies to the fore.

Jeremy Corbin is the modern day example of what they would do given power.

Borrow and the next generation can pay for the money they would throw away.

 

john

[billd766]

29 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Not me pal. Maggie remains the best PM since WW2 and let's not forget her triumphs included the Falklands; Scargill; gaining the upper hand re IRA and bringing an end to the cold war. She had the odd fault but was not in the same league as the likes of B-liar and will never be matched by your poisoned dwarf.

 

 

I wasn't let down by Margaret Thatcher either.

 

I admired her when she was PM and still do.

 

Considering the state of PM's since she quit (on ALL sides of the house) it is a shame that she is no longer around.

[RuamRudy]

6 minutes ago, jonwilly said:

Maggie  slapped down the left wing and they will do all they can to ruin her name.

I remember a couple of years back on day of her funeral.

The left had decided on massive protest, yet on the day they were as quiet as a church mouse.

The Socialist never stop trying to bring their twisted policies to the fore.

Jeremy Corbin is the modern day example of what they would do given power.

Borrow and the next generation can pay for the money they would throw away.

 

john

I was never a fan of Thatcher or her policies, but by the time she passed away she was simply a bewildered old lady, more to be pitied because of the cruel way she declined.

I certainly didn't shed a tear for her but I was very uncomfortable with the gloating and cheering that took place - bad taste doesn't come close to describing that behaviour.

[overherebc]

On 20/03/2017 at 0:09 PM, Blindedbythelight said:

And the UK Government is ......... Spanish or French or Canadian or American or Chinese ???   or English ?

It might be rubbish, but by Jingo it's British rubbish.

( Must be said in a Hi-So voice by the way )

[evadgib]

3 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

I certainly didn't shed a tear for her but I was very uncomfortable with the gloating and cheering that took place - bad taste doesn't come close to describing that behaviour.

Unfortunately it is a hallmark of many with a nationalist agenda, particularly if the British/English are on the receiving end.

[sandyf]

On 3/20/2017 at 4:09 PM, Blindedbythelight said:

Wealth was spread throughout the UK.

Comments like that highlight how far out of touch some are with reality.

Despite your claim in the previous post England made very little contribution to the north sea windfall but commandeered the lions share of the revenues. Maybe you can explain to the communities on the north east coast why their labour and losses were squandered on benefits to those south of the border.

It is fairly obvious that many equate independence to nationalism rather than resentment towards the UK government. Scotland was shafted over north sea oil and a percentage of the population will take every opportunity to ensure it does not happen again. 

[nontabury]

10 hours ago, sandyf said:

Comments like that highlight how far out of touch some are with reality.

Despite your claim in the previous post England made very little contribution to the north sea windfall but commandeered the lions share of the revenues. Maybe you can explain to the communities on the north east coast why their labour and losses were squandered on benefits to those south of the border.

It is fairly obvious that many equate independence to nationalism rather than resentment towards the UK government. Scotland was shafted over north sea oil and a percentage of the population will take every opportunity to ensure it does not happen again. 

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 Throughout the 310 yr history of the Union,it would be true to say that for between 30-40yrs, The Scottish region payed in more than it received. Yet what about the other 260yrs?  Likewise S.E. England is a nett contributed to the rest of the country, but so far I have't heard any calls for an independent London,except recently from a very small number of Remoaners. 

  One of many reasons that the E.U. Does not seem keen on accepting a seperate Scotland into their numbers,is very simple. They realise how bad the Scottish economy is,compared with Greece. Does that mean Scotland could not be a viable country on it's own, of course not. It's not a third world country,it would survive. The question is,at what cost to the general population.

 

      

Edited March 22, 2017 by nontabury

[mommysboy]

On 20/03/2017 at 2:05 PM, stander said:

VOTERS have sent a clear message to Nicola Sturgeon as she draws up her currency plans for any independence campaign, with Scots ten to one in favour of keeping the pound.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/778000/scotland-currency-pounds-nicola-sturgeon-indyref2-snp

 

 

Theres a typo- it should read : "Rubble Bank of Scotland".

[sandyf]

5 hours ago, nontabury said:

 Throughout the 310 yr history of the Union,it would be true to say that for between 30-40yrs, The Scottish region payed in more than it received. Yet what about the other 260yrs?  Likewise S.E. England is a nett contributed to the rest of the country, but so far I have't heard any calls for an independent London,except recently from a very small number of Remoaners. 

  One of many reasons that the E.U. Does not seem keen on accepting a seperate Scotland into their numbers,is very simple. They realise how bad the Scottish economy is,compared with Greece. Does that mean Scotland could not be a viable country on it's own, of course not. It's not a third world country,it would survive. The question is,at what cost to the general population.

 

      

You have gone off at a tangent again. Once resentment sets in all meaningful debate goes out the window, England has just proved that with brexit, they even voted without a plan.

If the Scottish government come with a better plan than Alex Salmond then it is up to the people if they want to run with it or not.

[RuamRudy]

5 hours ago, nontabury said:

Throughout the 310 yr history of the Union,it would be true to say that for between 30-40yrs, The Scottish region payed in more than it received. Yet what about the other 260yrs?  

What about it? Do you have figures to prove your point, or is this, yet again, more arrogant nonsense of the sort where you tried to suggest that Yorkshire contributed more the the UK than Scotland (glad we cleared up that error in your understanding)?

[CharlieH]

Keep it civil please.

 

7) You will respect fellow members and post in a civil manner. No personal attacks, hateful or insulting towards other members, (flaming) Stalking of members on either the forum or via PM will not be allowed.
 

[transam]

If it wasn't for the oil fields Scotland would be very quiet....

[nontabury]

24 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

What about it? Do you have figures to prove your point, or is this, yet again, more arrogant nonsense of the sort where you tried to suggest that Yorkshire contributed more the the UK than Scotland (glad we cleared up that error in your understanding)?

. Is the Scottish economy still at the same level,as in 2015 Or has it contracted,due mainly to the collapse in the price of oil from that date.

 

 

GVA per capita 2015	Total GVA 2015
1	England ∟ London ∟ South East ∟ East of England ∟ South West ∟ North West ∟ East Midlands ∟ West Midlands ∟ Yorkshire and the Humber ∟ North East	£26,159 £43,629 £27,847 £23,970 £23,031 £21,867 £20,929 £20,826 £20,351 £18,927	£1.433 trillion £378 billion £249 billion £146 billion £126 billion £157 billion £98 billion £120 billion £110 billion £50 billion
2	Scotland	£23,685	£127 billion
3	Northern Ireland	£18,584	£34 billion
4	Wales	£18,002	£56 billion
	United Kingdom	£25,351	£1.666 trillion

[sandyf]

45 minutes ago, nontabury said:

. Is the Scottish economy still at the same level,as in 2015 Or has it contracted,due mainly to the collapse in the price of oil from that date.

 

 

GVA per capita 2015	Total GVA 2015
1	England ∟ London ∟ South East ∟ East of England ∟ South West ∟ North West ∟ East Midlands ∟ West Midlands ∟ Yorkshire and the Humber ∟ North East	£26,159 £43,629 £27,847 £23,970 £23,031 £21,867 £20,929 £20,826 £20,351 £18,927	£1.433 trillion £378 billion £249 billion £146 billion £126 billion £157 billion £98 billion £120 billion £110 billion £50 billion
2	Scotland	£23,685	£127 billion
3	Northern Ireland	£18,584	£34 billion
4	Wales	£18,002	£56 billion
	United Kingdom	£25,351	£1.666 trillion

These figures do not mean a great deal to most people and they can vary a great deal depending on how calculated. 

In Feb 2016, Boris Johnston asked the Scottish government for the latest figures on GDP and you can see the response at these links.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/scotlands_international_gdp_per

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/318048/response/784943/attach/3/FoI 16 00360 Annex.pdf

http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/QNA2015Q3

 

From the last link you will see 3 different GDP per capita figures ranging from £26400 to £28500. If you were to take the lowest figure and covert it to USD then based on 2015 figures Scotland would be about 24th in the world.

The voters would expect the government to provide this information in some simple format, so as simply as possible the 2015 GDP per capita figures show that Scotland is about the same level as Japan and about 25% below the UK as a whole. Excluding the UK there would only be about 7 of the 27 EU member states above Scotland in the rankings.

[jonwilly]

North Sea Oil was squandered on UK. London is the Big earning area in the UK, has been for years and will be for years to come and London's wealth is squandered on all of UK.

 

john

[mommysboy]

22 hours ago, sandyf said:

These figures do not mean a great deal to most people and they can vary a great deal depending on how calculated. 

In Feb 2016, Boris Johnston asked the Scottish government for the latest figures on GDP and you can see the response at these links.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/scotlands_international_gdp_per

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/318048/response/784943/attach/3/FoI 16 00360 Annex.pdf

http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/QNA2015Q3

 

From the last link you will see 3 different GDP per capita figures ranging from £26400 to £28500. If you were to take the lowest figure and covert it to USD then based on 2015 figures Scotland would be about 24th in the world.

The voters would expect the government to provide this information in some simple format, so as simply as possible the 2015 GDP per capita figures show that Scotland is about the same level as Japan and about 25% below the UK as a whole. Excluding the UK there would only be about 7 of the 27 EU member states above Scotland in the rankings.

 

Scotland is an efficient, advanced economy, with an educated workforce.

 

But it's management of the economy which is important.

 

If GVA equates to GDP, then taken in comparison with public debt it leaves with a rather a burden, of such proportions it can not possibly get to grips with it. 

 

This year alone there has been a significant overspend.

Edited March 23, 2017 by mommysboy