JaiMaai Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 I have a Hatari fan that stopped working. I'm sure it's a relatively simple fix but I'm currently stuck. 1. There is no obvious evidence of the windings burning out.2. The thermal fuse has not blown.3. The fan turns freely when turned by hand so I don't think it needs oiled but maybe it does.4. The fan would turn VERY slowly if started by hand. Based on these factors I changed the capacitor (1.8 microfarad 400 V) but the fan still has a problem. It still won't work properly. If you give the fan a hand start then it will run, a lot faster than before I changed the cap, but it's not fixed. Any ideas. I want to fix this because I want to learn about how motors work better. It's been a long time since I studied the theory at Uni and I want to get some practice in..... If I have to buy a new one eventually then so be it but fixing myself is better just so I know I did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamkyong Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 had this problem myself you have addressed the two usual problems cap and bearing lube after that i have never found any further fixes dont know unless of course you delve into rotors etc its cheaper to buy new by the way high price does not buy you extra quality but it does get you brand names if your into that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaiMaai Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 There is a slight resistance to turning the rotor by hand but it's by no means stiff so I'm guessing that's normal? Changing the capacitor made a big improvement but it's still not right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamkyong Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 There shoild not be any resistance atall. Light as a feather there two bearings in most lube both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaiMaai Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 Ok. I'll try that in the morning. Thanks. Having a beer watching the football just now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suradit69 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 18 hours ago, JaiMaai said: . It's been a long time since I studied the theory at Uni There's a university course in fixing cheap fans? Put the fan in/near your bin and spend less than THB 1000/US$30/€ 37 for a new one ... or are you living off income in pounds sterling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topt Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 34 minutes ago, Suradit69 said: There's a university course in fixing cheap fans? Put the fan in/near your bin and spend less than THB 1000/US$30/€ 37 for a new one ... or are you living off income in pounds sterling? Why bother with the last part of your reply - did you make the effort to read all his post - Quote 19 hours ago, JaiMaai said: If I have to buy a new one eventually then so be it but fixing myself is better just so I know I did it. He wasn't even having a go at anything Thai either......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tompelli Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Can try spraying the windings with contact cleaner, which costs about the same as a new fan. Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suradit69 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 32 minutes ago, topt said: He wasn't even having a go at anything Thai either......... I was making a suggestion to save him the bother despite his quest for personal achievement in appliance maintenance, admirably though that may be. Not sure what relevance fan engineering or the life span of electrical appliances has to do with "having a go at anything Thai." Built-in obsolescence in industrial design ... designing a product with an artificially limited useful lifespan ... is hardly a Thai innovation. Some of our farang brotherhood with faltering homeland economies and plummeting currency exchange rates might, understandably, feel compelled to be extraordinarily frugal. Yes, I did read the whole post. My reaction was both visceral and informed, though obviously disturbing to some especially sensitive readers. Sorry to have caused you a tizzy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamkyong Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, Suradit69 said: I was making a suggestion to save him the bother despite his quest for personal achievement in appliance maintenance, admirably though that may be. Not sure what relevance fan engineering or the life span of electrical appliances has to do with "having a go at anything Thai." Built-in obsolescence in industrial design ... designing a product with an artificially limited useful lifespan ... is hardly a Thai innovation. Some of our farang brotherhood with faltering homeland economies and plummeting currency exchange rates might, understandably, feel compelled to be extraordinarily frugal. Yes, I did read the whole post. My reaction was both visceral and informed, though obviously disturbing to some. always some <deleted> rather like me to upset the apple cart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedsada3 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 In my house, fans run 24h/day. The first one I bought ran only one year. I used to clean grids and propeller every month. Now I clean the fans every 2 weeks and every 2 months I open the motor cover and do a bit of silicon spray in both bearings (front and rear). They are running now for almost 2 years without any problem and very quiet. You could make a try with a 3.3 microF capacitor or add another 1.8 in parallel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clear Sky Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 JaiMaii, if you could let us know if the fan was repaired, and how, it would be appreciated by many on here, I'm sure. It's clear that your post is about finding an answer to a problem as well as learning something new. It's not about saving some money, although there's nothing wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaiMaai Posted March 20, 2017 Author Share Posted March 20, 2017 It's not fixed yet. Changing the capacitor has improved it but it's still not turning 100% freely. I'm going to try some oil or grease on the bearings next but I didn't have the time today. If that doesn't work then I'm going to give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dotpoom Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 When I had a similar problem I simply bought a new motor in Tuk Com basement for around a couple of hundred Baht and stuck it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindedbythelight Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 20 hours ago, JaiMaai said: I have a Hatari fan that stopped working. I'm sure it's a relatively simple fix but I'm currently stuck. 1. There is no obvious evidence of the windings burning out. 2. The thermal fuse has not blown. 3. The fan turns freely when turned by hand so I don't think it needs oiled but maybe it does. 4. The fan would turn VERY slowly if started by hand. Based on these factors I changed the capacitor (1.8 microfarad 400 V) but the fan still has a problem. It still won't work properly. If you give the fan a hand start then it will run, a lot faster than before I changed the cap, but it's not fixed. Any ideas. I want to fix this because I want to learn about how motors work better. It's been a long time since I studied the theory at Uni and I want to get some practice in..... If I have to buy a new one eventually then so be it but fixing myself is better just so I know I did it. To fix, please pay 1,000 baht and buy new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RigPig Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Are you trying to start it switched to low or high speed, check the speed control switch and is the motor actually getting ful voltage on high... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamkyong Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, RigPig said: Are you trying to start it switched to low or high speed, check the speed control switch and is the motor actually getting ful voltage on high... this post is now getting into the realms of a previous poster There's a university course in fixing cheap fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estrada Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 I assume you have a wall mounted Hatari Fan like I have. When the fan sticks, I just spray the bearing with WD40 or similar using the fine nozzle directly between the rotor and bearing point and then it works no problem. Do not spray the windings with contact cleaner as suggested above. It is not worth getting them repaired as a new one is very cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xylophone Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 20 hours ago, Lamkyong said: There shoild not be any resistance atall. Light as a feather there two bearings in most lube both True, no resistance whatsoever, and I think the bearings will be the phosphor bronze type so a little oil will suffice. Have you checked to ensure that there is no foreign body/matter between the rotor and the windings? Wouldn't spray the windings with contact cleaner though.........ever thought that the new capacitor might be "faulty"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaiMaai Posted March 20, 2017 Author Share Posted March 20, 2017 To fix, please pay 1,000 baht and buy new.It's NOT about paying 100, 1000 or 10,000 baht for a new one. It's about understanding what's happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaiMaai Posted March 20, 2017 Author Share Posted March 20, 2017 Are you trying to start it switched to low or high speed, check the speed control switch and is the motor actually getting ful voltage on high...Won't start on any speed without a flick with the hand. After that the speed changes in line with the low, medium and high speeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenslegs Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 I found this on the interwebs - may be of help. http://www.instructables.com/id/FAN-repair/?ALLSTEPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Won't start on any speed without a flick with the hand. After that the speed changes in line with the low, medium and high speeds. Pretty sure that's a capacitor problem maybe try some different capacitance values or another new capacitor....that being said I've never been able to get a broken fan working again...they just hate me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laza 45 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 2 hours ago, JaiMaai said: It's not fixed yet. Changing the capacitor has improved it but it's still not turning 100% freely. I'm going to try some oil or grease on the bearings next but I didn't have the time today. If that doesn't work then I'm going to give up. I don't know if it is a good idea or a bad idea but I cleaned the hair and dust out and sprayed the shaft entry with a bit of lubricating spray (WD40).. and it works fine now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenslegs Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 8 minutes ago, johng said: Pretty sure that's a capacitor problem maybe try some different capacitance values or another new capacitor....that being said I've never been able to get a broken fan working again...they just hate me Does have all the symptoms of a dodgy capacitor (new one could be a duffer too). OP says the fan will start with a little help. I read this trick somewhere and it makes sense... Try turning the blade (gently) in the wrong direction when switching it on. If it continues to run (backwards) at normal speed, then it is definitely the capacitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaiMaai Posted March 20, 2017 Author Share Posted March 20, 2017 The fan will NOT run backwards which suggests the cap is ok. (I think?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foozool Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 It needs to be disassembled , only lub bearings won't help. Bearings or bushings need to be washed by electronic cleaner spray and then lub it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailand49 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 2 hours ago, JaiMaai said: It's NOT about paying 100, 1000 or 10,000 baht for a new one. It's about understanding what's happening. You got too much time on your hand, go get some damn pussy that will get you to forget about the fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 5 hours ago, Suradit69 said: I was making a suggestion to save him the bother despite his quest for personal achievement in appliance maintenance, admirably though that may be. Not sure what relevance fan engineering or the life span of electrical appliances has to do with "having a go at anything Thai." Built-in obsolescence in industrial design ... designing a product with an artificially limited useful lifespan ... is hardly a Thai innovation. Some of our farang brotherhood with faltering homeland economies and plummeting currency exchange rates might, understandably, feel compelled to be extraordinarily frugal. Yes, I did read the whole post. My reaction was both visceral and informed, though obviously disturbing to some especially sensitive readers. Sorry to have caused you a tizzy. Touche swords or pistols. I was going to advise a big palm branch and grapes provided he has a wife or g/f. Sorry to fun you young fellow a hands on approach to knowledge is a good thing. Life has taught me though not to be overly inquisitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenslegs Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 39 minutes ago, JaiMaai said: The fan will NOT run backwards which suggests the cap is ok. (I think?) The fan runs backwards = capacitor is definitely duff. The fan won't run backwards = capacitor could still be faulty-not releasing sufficient energy to give the fan a kick start in the correct direction (which is its only purpose). Did you make sure you bought the correct capacitor for the model of fan? (apologies for asking a daft question). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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