webfact Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Sinn Féin's Martin McGuinness dies aged 66 Sinn Féin's Martin McGuinness, Northern Ireland's former deputy first minister, has died aged 66. It is understood he had been suffering from a rare heart condition. The former IRA leader turned peacemaker worked at the heart of the power-sharing government following the 1998 Good Friday Agreement. Full story: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-39185899 -- © Copyright BBC 2017-03-21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post colinneil Posted March 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2017 Well if there is a heaven and hell, he is destined for the latter place. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Well, there's the headline for the 9 o'clock news. Might be followed by a spate of revelations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jeremy50 Posted March 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2017 Good riddance. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted March 21, 2017 Author Share Posted March 21, 2017 Obituary - IRA street fighter turned statesman, Martin McGuinness dies aged 66 By Conor Humphries REUTERS Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams (R) holds a copy of the Good Friday agreement with Martin McGuinness (L) as they speak to journalists in the Stormont parliament building in Belfast, Northern Ireland October 14, 2002. REUTERS/Darren Staples/File Photo BELFAST (Reuters) - Martin McGuinness, the former Irish Republican Army commander who laid down his arms and turned peacemaker to help end Northern Ireland's 30-year conflict, died on Tuesday after a decade as deputy first minister of the British province. As a young street fighter in Londonderry and later as a politician and statesman, McGuinness saw his mission as defending the rights of the Catholic minority against the pro-British Protestants who for decades dominated Northern Ireland. But for his critics, that cause was never enough to justify the IRA's campaign of bombings and shootings that killed hundreds of British soldiers and civilians. In his later years McGuinness was hailed as a peacemaker for negotiating the 1998 peace deal, sharing power with his bitterest enemy and shaking hands with the Queen, though the gestures were condemned by some former comrades as treachery. He was forced to step down in January, a number of months before a planned retirement, because of an undisclosed illness. At the time a frail and emotional McGuinness told a large group of supporters gathered outside his home in the Bogside area of Northern Ireland's second city that it broke his heart that he had to bow out of politics. "I don't really care how history assesses me, but I'm very proud of where I've come from," McGuinness told Irish national broadcaster RTE. He is survived by his wife, Bernadette, and four children. IRA COMMANDER Born on May 23, 1950 in Londonderry, McGuinness in childhood experienced the contempt which many of the pro-British Protestant government had for the Catholic Irish minority who dreamt of joining with the Irish Republic to the south. A trainee butcher, McGuinness abandoned his apprenticeship in 1970 to join the IRA as the guerrilla group began its 30-year campaign against British rule that Catholics found increasingly intolerable. He swiftly rose to become a senior commander. McGuinness later admitted he was second-in-command of the IRA in Londonderry on "Bloody Sunday" - the day in 1972 when British troops in the city killed 14 unarmed marchers, ushering in the most intense phase of the Troubles. A British government inquiry found McGuinness was probably armed with a sub-machine gun that day, but that he did nothing to justify the troops' decision to open fire on the marchers. In 1973 he was convicted by the Irish Republic's courts of being an IRA member after being stopped in a car packed with explosives and bullets and was briefly jailed. Fellow nationalist inmates recall him as a fierce football player in the exercise yard. He spent years on the run and was banned from entering Britain in 1982, during the IRA's bombing campaign there, under the prevention of terrorism act. POLITICS AND PEACE During the 1980s McGuinness emerged alongside Gerry Adams as a key architect in the electoral rise of Sinn Fein, the IRA's political ally, advocating a strategy of combining the use of the ballot box with that of the Armalite rifle. First elected as a member of the Northern Ireland assembly in 1982, McGuinness played a crucial role in keeping the more militant wing of the IRA on board as elements of the leadership secretly probed the possibility of a negotiated settlement. Following the IRA's second ceasefire in 1997, McGuinness became Sinn Fein's chief negotiator in peace talks that led to the landmark 1998 Good Friday peace accord. Nine years later, the rise of Sinn Fein to become Northern Ireland's largest Irish nationalist party allowed McGuinness to become Deputy First Minister in the power-sharing government with bitter enemy Ian Paisley, the firebrand preacher many Catholics see as a key player in the genesis of the conflict. McGuinness surprised many by forming a close working relationship with Paisley, the media dubbing the pair "the Chuckle Brothers". In 2012 he shook hands with Queen Elizabeth at a charity event in Belfast. Such gestures alienated many former comrades who call him a traitor for helping to run the province while the Union Jack was still flying over it. McGuinness countered it was a stepping stone to their goal of a united Ireland. Over the past decade, Sinn Fein has focused much of its resources on the Republic of Ireland, where it has grown from five to 23 seats of the 166-seat parliament in a decade. A non-smoker, virtual teetotal and keen fisherman, McGuinness briefly moved south in 2011 for a failed run at Ireland's largely ceremonial presidency, wining just under 15 percent of the vote. McGuinness leaves Northern Ireland at peace and hands over to a new generation with Sinn Fein a major political force across the island, and his dream of a united Ireland inching closer after the party recorded its best ever result in an election three weeks before his death. (Additional reporting by Padraic Halpin; Editing by Guy Faulconbridge and Clarence Fernandez) -- © Copyright Reuters 2017-03-21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Laughing Gravy Posted March 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2017 Is that the new modern term now for a thug, enforcer and terrorist-IRA street fighter. The only worse thing than that title was been given education minister. <deleted>. There will be parties in Belfast tonight. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Somtamnication Posted March 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2017 Now maybe his victims can rest in peace. <removed> 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post brewsterbudgen Posted March 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2017 I'm no fan of Tony Blair, but his singular achievement was bringing together the likes of McGuinness and Paisley making a peace process that, mainly worked. Credit to all involved and RIP to Martin McGuinness. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RuamRudy Posted March 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2017 56 minutes ago, colinneil said: Well if there is a heaven and hell, he is destined for the latter place. I suspect Paisley will be there to welcome him. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post esprit Posted March 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2017 Another terrorist made good in the interests of British political correctness. I am sure that I have 100% support from those families for whom he was responsible for, directly or indirectly, their members assassinations'. If there is a hell then I hope he is there now. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AhFarangJa Posted March 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Jeremy50 said: Good riddance. You beat me to it, now we just need to get rid of the other one called Adams....... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post daveAustin Posted March 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2017 66 years too late but better late than never. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post worgeordie Posted March 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2017 Couldn't happen to a better man,Karma does catch up to you regards worgeordie 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post canopus1969 Posted March 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2017 Not a day too soon 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven100 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 so does that mean we ain't going to his funeral .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bluespunk Posted March 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2017 RIP Martin. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 39 minutes ago, RuamRudy said: I suspect Paisley will be there to welcome him. And we all thought you were a non believer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Baerboxer Posted March 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2017 RIP. I loathed him along with all IRA and their supporters. But he, like Ian Paisley, showed that people can change and can work together for the better good. He made no excuses for his past, nor did he try and hide it. But he did apologies, unlike many who refuse to, and admit that decisions made at that time now seem wrong looking backwards. He and Paisley formed a formidable working relationship. Over the last few years he became one of the few sensible voices in British politics. RIP indeed Martin. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post CGW Posted March 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2017 Like many I was bought up to believe what I saw on the BBC, never suspecting or even relising they were in fact promoting a brain washing agenda! Took me many years to realise what a load of baloney we are (were!) fed daily! Some saw this many years ago & fought for there beliefs, RIP 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MiKT Posted March 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2017 Lets hope St Peter doesn't mind the bastard wondering around with a loaded tommy gun if he promises he really, really, but really! does not intend to use it. Freedom fighter my ass, an out and out terrorist with oh so many innocent lives to his account. Without his ilk, many more Northern Irish on both sides of the conflict would have been able to peacefully resolve differences (and yes there were many bad things done by both sides of the conflict in the North) but funny how people in the South have been able to get along together without killing each other over religion or politics since 1922. RIH 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post thequietman Posted March 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2017 Martin McGuinness was a freedom fighter and fought for the return of Ireland to the Irish people. It was his right as an Irish man to reclaim his country back by whatever means. His death is a sad day for Ireland and Irish people and for those of you who wish to see the death of Gerry Adams, I hope and trust he will outlast all of you. Try reading up on Irish history to see why Martin McGuiness fought for what I know to be right. Rest in Peace Martin McGuinness. "I haven't done anything I am ashamed of." 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jesimps Posted March 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2017 Shame he never took his mate Gerry Adams with him. I notice the lefties on here posting their condolences, wouldn't expect anything else from them. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Inepto Cracy Posted March 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2017 R I P Martin McGuiness. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thequietman Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 18 minutes ago, MiKT said: Lets hope St Peter doesn't mind the bastard wondering around with a loaded tommy gun if he promises he really, really, but really! does not intend to use it. Freedom fighter my ass, an out and out terrorist with oh so many innocent lives to his account. Without his ilk, many more Northern Irish on both sides of the conflict would have been able to peacefully resolve differences (and yes there were many bad things done by both sides of the conflict in the North) but funny how people in the South have been able to get along together without killing each other over religion or politics since 1922. RIH Some quotations about the man : "First and foremost, Martin McGuinness was a much loved husband, father and grandfather. My thoughts and prayers are with his wife and the family circle at this very painful time of grief and loss." (Arlene Foster) " Martin McGuinness ultimately played a defining role in leading the republican movement away from violence.In doing so, he made an essential and historic contribution to the extraordinary journey of Northern Ireland from conflict to peace ". (Theresa May UK PM) "Mr McGuinness' personal journey and the clear influence he had on others in the republican movement were instrumental in shaping political institutions in Northern Ireland founded on exclusively peaceful and democratic means". (James Brokenshire) Taoiseach (Irish prime minister) Enda Kenny said his passing represented a "significant loss, not only to politics in Northern Ireland, but to the wider political landscape on this island and beyond". Colin Parry, whose 12-year-old son, Tim, died in an IRA bomb in Warrington in 1993, said although he did not forgive the IRA or Martin McGuinness, he found him a man who was "sincere in his desire for peace". Rest in Peace Martin. . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I am not a Catholic, I do not even believe in the religion to which I was baptised (without my consent), during the sectarian troubles many people lost their lives, many of them innocent people just in the wrong place at the wrong time, I always felt the terrorists (of both sides of the conflict)should go to prison for the rest of their miserable lives. The peace accord has ensured that there are many innocent people alive today that would not without the peace accord and if it means there are some at liberty who should be rotting in hell, so be it. I hope people do not, (for a better choice of words) "dance on his grave", just let him "Rest In Peace", If there is a God then he has a lot of explaining before being sent to a place where he will meet up with his good friend Ian. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post transam Posted March 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2017 12 minutes ago, thequietman said: Martin McGuinness was a freedom fighter and fought for the return of Ireland to the Irish people. It was his right as an Irish man to reclaim his country back by whatever means. His death is a sad day for Ireland and Irish people and for those of you who wish to see the death of Gerry Adams, I hope and trust he will outlast all of you. Try reading up on Irish history to see why Martin McGuiness fought for what I know to be right. Rest in Peace Martin McGuinness. "I haven't done anything I am ashamed of." Didn't blow up the innocent....? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Phuket Man Posted March 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2017 Him and his mate Adams. Terrorists pure and simple. Hopefully they will meet up soon downstairs. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thequietman Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, transam said: Didn't blow up the innocent....? Didn't invade another country ? Didn't try to wipe out the entire Irish population ? "The truth is startling, 67 out of 130 regiments of Britain's Empire army were in Ireland in this period (100,000 at any one time). The troops were not on a humanitarian mission. Their job was to remove food by force." - See more at: https://www.henrymakow.com/2015/06/irish-potato-famine-was.html#sthash.0NU0OZuO.dpuf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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