Govt bans redshirt to hold memorial activities on April 10

[steven100]

Forget red shirt, yellow shirt or any other group.

 

Move on Thailand and forget the wasted past ......   The future is bright.

 

Khun Prayuth   :  

[steven100]

5 hours ago, baboon said:

No we bloody well cannot pass on 'that one'. It is well within living memory and easily comparible to current Thai events. How swift you are to consign to the rubbish bin of history the lives of those who suffered and died for simply campaigning for a future more to their liking. 

rubbish ,   it's gone to the dump. 

 

Move on .....   you wanna live in the past for the rest of your life ?

the reds only incite violence ... everyone knows that and thats why it's a no brainer .

CANCELLED ...   

[yardrunner]

20 hours ago, steven100 said:

Good Idea  ......   ban them and lock them up ...

 

They only want to cause trouble and incite violence    !!!    

Who the redshirts or the powers that be

[heybruce]

7 hours ago, steven100 said:

rubbish ,   it's gone to the dump. 

 

Move on .....   you wanna live in the past for the rest of your life ?

the reds only incite violence ... everyone knows that and thats why it's a no brainer .

CANCELLED ...   

The Reds incite violence against unelected governments, and the military fires on them.

 

The Yellows incite violence against elected governments, and the military stages a coup and installs an unelected government.

 

That has been the past, present and foreseeable future of Thailand.

 

How is it that there are so many western people who should know better that support the military in this?

[scorecard]

5 minutes ago, heybruce said:

The Reds incite violence against unelected governments, and the military fires on them.

 

The Yellows incite violence against elected governments, and the military stages a coup and installs an unelected government.

 

That has been the past, present and foreseeable future of Thailand.

 

How is it that there are so many western people who should know better that support the military in this?

 

Perhaps because they don't agree with your twisted version.

[elgordo38]

21 hours ago, IsThisForReal said:

Peace?

From what we can all witness the peace is only maintained because of fear and abuses...

Naive statement tongue in cheek take your pick. 

[elgordo38]

9 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

Perhaps because they don't agree with your twisted version.

Comparing the two statements above I am now coming to understand how Trump got elected. 

[billd766]

20 hours ago, JAG said:

He was at the front of the NAAFI queue on many occasions

 

That is where I got my one and only medal in 25 years service.

[whatawonderfulday]

14 hours ago, tukkytuktuk said:

Can we pass on that one. This was quite a long time ago when Thailand was a different place from today. Lots of terrible events happened in the 70's all over the world. What I mean its like Vietnam war, americans don't get much hassle when they visit there these days. Or Polish people having German friends. That is a long time ago. No I think people who keep on bringing up this terrible day in Thai history and trying to link these events to modern day events in Thailand are wrong. The red shirt democracy monument April 10 2010 event is relevant as its still quite fresh in our memories.

Yes and tell that "let's forget it story" to the relatives and friends of those massacred who are still alive today. I had the privilege of knowing ones of those murdered.  I am also old enough to have lost 2 close relatives to the butchering Japanese in WW2.  No, the 2 atrocities are not linked but what is linked is that these acts of barbarism,  whilst may be forgiven,  should never ever be forgotten.

 

So unless you were directly affected then just crawl back under your stone and pretend it never happened.

[johng]

a small snippet from the latest UN report    not that the UN is anyone's father or anything

http://tbinternet.ohchr.org/_layouts/treatybodyexternal/Download.aspx?symbolno=CCPR%2fC%2fTHA%2fCO%2f2&Lang=en

 

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Extra-judicial killings, enforced disappearances and torture

19.  The Committee remains concerned, that the State party’s criminal legislation does not adequately ensure that acts of torture and enforced disappearance, as stated in the Covenant and other internationally established standards, are fully criminalized. The Committee regrets the delay in enacting the draft Act on Prevention and Suppression of Torture and Enforced Disappearance (arts. 2, 6, 7, 9, 10 and 16).

20. The State party should ensure that legislation fully complies with the Covenant, in particular by prohibiting torture and enforced disappearances in accordance with the Covenant and international standards. The State party should expeditiously enact law on the prevention and suppression of torture and enforced disappearances

21.  The Committee is particularly concerned about reports of torture and other ill-treatment, extra-judicial executions and enforced disappearances, against inter alia, human rights defenders, including in the context of the Southern Border Provinces. The Committee remains concerned about widespread impunity for those crimes; and the slow progress in investigating such cases, including with regard to the cases of the shooting of civilians during the political violence of 2010, the enforced disappearances of Sompchai Neelapaijit and Porlajee "Billy" Rakchongchaeroen and the torture endured by Kritsuda Khunasen (arts. 2, 6, 7, 9, 10 and 16).

22. The State party should:

(a)      Ensure that cases are reported and that prompt, impartial and thorough investigations are carried out into all allegations and complaints concerning the unlawful and excessive use of force by law enforcement officials and the military, including torture, enforced disappearances and extra-judicial killings, including in the context of the Southern Border Provinces. Ensure that perpetrators are prosecuted and, if convicted, punished with appropriate sanctions;;

(b)      Provide the truth about the circumstances of those crimes and, in cases of enforced disappearances, clarify the fate or whereabouts of the victims and ensure that their relatives are informed about the progress and the results of the investigations;

(c)      Ensure that the victims are provided with full reparation, including satisfaction and guarantees of non-repetition;

(d)      Amend the Martial Law Act, Emergency Decree and Order 3/2015 to ensure that they comply with all the provisions of Covenant, including with the guarantees against detention incommunicado enumerated in the Committee’s general comment No. 35(2014); and criteria with a view to lifting the Martial Law and Emergency Decree in the provinces currently under them without undue delay

(e)      Setting up promptly an independent mechanism for the prevention and suppression of torture and enforced disappearances;

(f)      Reinforce the training of law enforcement officials and military personnel on full respect for human rights, including appropriate use of force and on the eradication of torture and ill-treatment; and ensure that all training materials are in line with the Covenant and the UN Basic Principles on the Use of Force and Firearms for Law Enforcement Officials.

 

[johng]

and a little bit more

 

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Freedom of expression

35.  The Committee is concerned about reports of the severe and arbitrary restrictions imposed on the right to freedom of opinion and expression in the State party’s legislation, including in the Criminal Code; the Computer Crimes Act (2007), Order. 3/2015; and the restrictions imposed through section 44 of the interim Constitution. It is also concerned about criminal proceedings, especially criminal defamation charges, brought against human rights defenders, activists, journalists and other individuals under the above mentioned legislation, and about reports of the suppression of debate and campaigning, and criminal charges against individuals during the run-up to the Constitutional referendum in 2016 (art. 19 and 25).

36. The State party should take all necessary measures in order to guarantee the enjoyment of freedom of opinion and expression in all their forms, in accordance with article 19 of the Covenant. Any restriction should comply with the strict requirements of article 19(3), as further developed in the Committee’s general comment No. 34 (2011); including the strict tests of necessity and proportionality. It should also consider decriminalizing defamation and, in any case, countenance the application of criminal law only in the most serious of cases, bearing in mind that imprisonment is never an appropriate penalty for defamation. The State party should also refrain from using its criminal provisions, including the Computer Crimes Act, Sedition Act and other regulations as tools to suppress the expression of critical and dissenting opinions. It should take all measures to end prosecutions against those charged for exercising their freedom of opinion and expression during the constitutional referendum, and provide appropriate training to judges, prosecutors, and law enforcement personnel regarding protection of freedom of expression and opinion.

 

[ujayujay]

21 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

What history!!! The Reds only being in existence for 10 years. If you want history, coups will be a better example of disturbing the peace by snatching power repeatedly. 

...yes..... 10 Years Redshirts= Trouble, Lies, remote controlled and financed by Thaksin.

[khunken]

Why do Thaksin's UDD & militia never want to hold a memorial to those who were executed by the police in his war on drugs? Far more were killed than any other campaign in Thailand's recent history.

I think Tukkytuktuk's post (#9) is by far the most sensible solution but a bridge too far in this divided country.

[johng]

Why do Thaksin's UDD & militia never want to hold a memorial to those who were executed by the police in his war on drugs?

Why doesn't Suthep or Mark do that ?

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, heybruce said:

The Reds incite violence against unelected governments, and the military fires on them.

 

The Yellows incite violence against elected governments, and the military stages a coup and installs an unelected government.

 

That has been the past, present and foreseeable future of Thailand.

 

How is it that there are so many western people who should know better that support the military in this?

 

5 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

Perhaps because they don't agree with your twisted version.

Care to explain how it is twisted? 

 

Granted, not all coups were against elected governments; after all, Thailand has had few elected governments and many coups.  However the 2006 and 2014 coups followed protests in Bangkok against elected governments, while the 2010 protest demanding the unelected PM call elections resulted in many civilians being killed by the military.

 

[khunken]

10 minutes ago, johng said:

 

Why doesn't Suthep or Mark do that ?

Maybe the same reason that Chalerm or Yingluck don't do it either & maybe it's not a part of this topic.

[johng]

Maybe the same reason that Chalerm or Yingluck don't do it either & maybe it's not a part of this topic.

Then why did you introduce it to this topic ?

[khunken]

Just now, johng said:

Then why did you introduce it to this topic ?

You introduced Suthep & Mark who are not in the op. I expanded on the hypocrisy of the red shirts.

[wakeupplease]

On 31/03/2017 at 10:51 AM, JAG said:

He was at the front of the NAAFI queue on many occasions

Well that explains the rat in the kitchen

[johng]

You introduced Suthep & Mark who are not in the op. I expanded on the hypocrisy of the red shirts.

You introduced Thaksins war on drugs that is not in the op

I expanded on the hypocrisy of the yellow shirts.

 

[khunken]

4 minutes ago, johng said:

You introduced Thaksins war on drugs that is not in the op

I expanded on the hypocrisy of the yellow shirts.

 

 

5 minutes ago, johng said:

You introduced Thaksins war on drugs that is not in the op

I expanded on the hypocrisy of the yellow shirts.

 

No you didn't - I did.

I'm butting out of this petty argument as you don't seem to know who said what. Sauce taking it's toll?

[johng]

No you didn't - I did.

Well yes I'm certainly confused by that last post maybe the brown sauce , red sauce (tomatoe)
And yellow mustard sauce on my dinner could have caused that !

[steven100]

As I mentioned ....  It's over ...  finished ...  done ...

 

Don't keep regurgitating the same old news ... 

 

Move on  !!     onward and forward ....

[Baerboxer]

On 3/31/2017 at 3:56 PM, Becker said:

Yes, the cold, clammy embrace of the old elite ensuring peace as long as they are not challenged at the trough.

Good to see you haven't lost your faith djjamie in a time when opening a newspaper should convince all except the completely blind that absolutely nothing has changed under the junta!

Here's a hint for you: "Boss".

 

Hands up those who think the little turd would have received the same "consideration" if his family had been connected to Thaksin!

 

I think the "consideration" shown to those of certain status, wealth, family, connections, etc transcends political boundaries.

 

You are aware, which party was in power when this crime took place? And you are aware of their actions, or should it be in-actions on this case?

[heybruce]

On 4/2/2017 at 4:29 AM, Baerboxer said:

 

I think the "consideration" shown to those of certain status, wealth, family, connections, etc transcends political boundaries.

 

You are aware, which party was in power when this crime took place? And you are aware of their actions, or should it be in-actions on this case?

Abhisit was in charge during the 2010 crackdown.  That's why there were protests, the PPP (predecessor to the PTP) won 233 seats in parliament against 165 for the Democrats,  but, after a judicial coup and some backroom negotiations and arm-twisting, a Democrat was put in charge and seemed in no hurry to hold elections.

 

I'm not sure what your point is.

[sandemara]

On 3/31/2017 at 3:09 PM, djjamie said:

Very wise move. If history is any indication they will disturb the peace that has embraced Thailand.

So very democratic. Why won't people accept "selective" peace? Military authorities seem to highlight that it's ok to target and eliminate certain groups within Thai society, as long as people can be persuaded, over time, to overlook certain killings or oppression of targeted groups.

[Becker]

On 4/2/2017 at 8:29 AM, Baerboxer said:

 

I think the "consideration" shown to those of certain status, wealth, family, connections, etc transcends political boundaries.

 

You are aware, which party was in power when this crime took place? And you are aware of their actions, or should it be in-actions on this case?

I am completely aware of all of the above.

And are you aware that the junta promised to change all this?

[Baerboxer]

47 minutes ago, Becker said:

I am completely aware of all of the above.

And are you aware that the junta promised to change all this?

 

And we're still waiting. Don't hold your breath.

[Baerboxer]

On 4/4/2017 at 1:30 AM, heybruce said:

Abhisit was in charge during the 2010 crackdown.  That's why there were protests, the PPP (predecessor to the PTP) won 233 seats in parliament against 165 for the Democrats,  but, after a judicial coup and some backroom negotiations and arm-twisting, a Democrat was put in charge and seemed in no hurry to hold elections.

 

I'm not sure what your point is.

 

Judicial coup - 555! Get real <deleted>.

 

Thaksin was illegally occupying the office of caretaker PM when he was removed. And ironically delaying an election. Not that he was entitled to be running things then. He certainly wasn't in any hurry.

 

It was the Puppet Yingluck regime run by Thaksin in charge when Boss ran the policemen over. Didn't notice the PTP regime falling over themselves to expedite this case to a judicial conclusion either. 

 

The point is rich, influential, real hiso, powerful well connected social elites are untouchable - regardless of which clan, gang or group they support. Only minions and second tiers get punished in reality.

Edited April 5, 2017 by Baerboxer

[wakeupplease]

When you start lying to yourself you have a serious problem inside your head, you all know what has been going on for decades yet do nothing about it but moan. Its your bed you made it, just "lie" in it or move on to better pastures.