My experience today at Immigration

[Confuscious]

The last 3 years, I had big problems in renewing my "Visa extension/Permission to stay" as my landlord was not very cooperative and Immigration wanted to see every year a new TM30 (signed); a copy of the ID-Card (signed); a copy of the Blue house book (signed) and a new rental contract.

I am living alone with my child (divorced) and I am on a Retirement Visa (Non-Immigrant).
When I divorced, 8 years ago, my landlord gave me the permission to include my child in the Blue house book in order to get an ID-Card.
Today, I went to immigration and I did not have the TM30/Copy of ID-Card/Copy of House book.
So, I feared to be rejected again like the last 3 years.
But as the Immigration Officer was going trough my documents and saw my child, she asked me if my child was living with me and the age of my child.
I answered the Officer and showed the Blue House Book with my child's name.
That seemed to be enough as a certificate that I lived in that house.
No other documents were ask.
 

[muzmurray]

1 hour ago, Confuscious said:

The last 3 years, I had big problems in renewing my "Visa extension/Permission to stay" as my landlord was not very cooperative and Immigration wanted to see every year a new TM30 (signed); a copy of the ID-Card (signed); a copy of the Blue house book (signed) and a new rental contract.

I am living alone with my child (divorced) and I am on a Retirement Visa (Non-Immigrant).
When I divorced, 8 years ago, my landlord gave me the permission to include my child in the Blue house book in order to get an ID-Card.
Today, I went to immigration and I did not have the TM30/Copy of ID-Card/Copy of House book.
So, I feared to be rejected again like the last 3 years.

 

Asking for TM30 forms is a fairly recent thing, so doubt you have had a problem with it for the last 3 years.

 

If you were rejected for the last 3 years - how are you still here ?

 

Your child would have been registered in a blue book at birth, I really don't believe that it is now on your landlord's blue book.

 

Your whole post makes not one jot of sense.

[Evilbaz]

It's simple to change Tabien Baan's you're registered in - those under 18 need a parent's permission.

[KhunBENQ]

3 minutes ago, Evilbaz said:

It's simple to change Tabien Baan's you're registered in - those under 18 need a parent's permission.

Absolutely. It's nothing but a "move".

That many migrant working Thais don't care or can not register at their current address is another story.

[Confuscious]

12 hours ago, muzmurray said:

 

Asking for TM30 forms is a fairly recent thing, so doubt you have had a problem with it for the last 3 years.

If you were rejected for the last 3 years - how are you still here ?
Your child would have been registered in a blue book at birth, I really don't believe that it is now on your landlord's blue book.

Your whole post makes not one jot of sense.
 

Here, it has been asked since 3 years.
That's a fact!!!

I wrote that I had a lot of problems with my "Visa extension/Permission of stay".

My child was registered at birth in the Blue Book of the mother.
But we divorced and my child was registered in the Blue Book where she was living AFTER the divorce.
That is the landlords Blue Book.
I am not going to publish a Blue Book in a public forum, and to be fair, I don't give a hoot about what you believe or not.

Your post makes not one jot of sense, but I wouldn't expect anything that would make one jot of sense.
You have 5 seconds to Click on the report button and start crying.
 

Edited May 17, 2017 by ubonjoe
removed reply from quoted text (from rule)

[4evermaat]

So let's clarify,

 

Is the OP extension of stay based on retirement, or visiting thai immediate family (child in this case)?

 

Based on what I understand of the OP, it seems like they allowed an extension for visiting thai family.

 

Was it for 60 days or 1 year?

 

Is the OP fully divorced (with a divorce decree or something similar) or are they just living apart but still married on paper?

Edited May 16, 2017 by 4evermaat

[mikecha]

24 minutes ago, Confuscious said:

 

u also having a confusing day or just want to slag this guy

[USPatriot]

Nice. I'm glad you had an IO with common sense 

[evadgib]

Having seen reports about TM30s I carried a completed one in my bag last week as a failsafe but am pleased to confirm that it wasn't needed. Re pers data; 2x diagonal lines with a handwritten phrase in the middle across anything useful to a fraudster was accepted too although I had spares incase they werent!☺

 

(I was sent home like a naughty schoolboy last year for daring to redact as per western SOPs!)

 

 

Edited May 16, 2017 by evadgib

[Confuscious]

11 hours ago, 4evermaat said:

So let's clarify,

 

 

Is the OP extension of stay based on retirement, or visiting thai immediate family (child in this case)?

 

Based on what I understand of the OP, it seems like they allowed an extension for visiting thai family.

 

Was it for 60 days or 1 year?

 

Is the OP fully divorced (with a divorce decree or something similar) or are they just living apart but still married on paper?

From the OP:
I am living alone with my child (divorced) and I am on a Retirement Visa (Non-Immigrant).

Clear enough?

Edited May 17, 2017 by ubonjoe
moved reply from quoted text (forum rule)

[chrisinth]

1 hour ago, Confuscious said:

 

I think what 4evermaatwas trying to get at was what stamp you got in your passport after the interest shown by the IO towards your child.

 

In other words did your get your one year extension based on retirement, a 30 day 'review' stamp, again for extension based on retirement or a mistaken 60 day stamp to visit your child? This is what you said in the OP:

 

"But as the Immigration Officer was going trough my documents and saw my child, she asked me if my child was living with me and the age of my child.

I answered the Officer and showed the Blue House Book with my child's name.

That seemed to be enough as a certificate that I lived in that house.

No other documents were ask".

[Confuscious]

29 minutes ago, chrisinth said:

I think what 4evermaatwas trying to get at was what stamp you got in your passport after the interest shown by the IO towards your child.

 

In other words did your get your one year extension based on retirement, a 30 day 'review' stamp, again for extension based on retirement or a mistaken 60 day stamp to visit your child? This is what you said in the OP:

 

"But as the Immigration Officer was going trough my documents and saw my child, she asked me if my child was living with me and the age of my child.

I answered the Officer and showed the Blue House Book with my child's name.

That seemed to be enough as a certificate that I lived in that house.

No other documents were ask".

I got a 1 year extension based on Retirement.

[jeab1980]

Seems quite simple to me op was going for retirement extension. He was worried about the TM30 as he did not have copy of landlords tabien and ID card. Seems he has had problems in the past with TM 30. IO noticed his child lives with him and he produced the tabien to prove child was named in there. This satisfied the IO  that he was indeed living there and processed his ext based on retirement. Sounds like you got a good IO.

[Confuscious]

Just now, jeab1980 said:

Seems quite simple to me op was going for retirement extension. He was worried about the TM30 as he did not have copy of landlords tabien and ID card. Seems he has had problems in the past with TM 30. IO noticed his child lives with him and he produced the tabien to prove child was named in there. This satisfied the IO  that he was indeed living there and processed his ext based on retirement. Sounds like you got a good IO.

Thanks for your input in this thread.
You can explain it better as me.

[BritTim]

8 hours ago, Confuscious said:

But as the Immigration Officer was going trough my documents and saw my child, she asked me if my child was living with me and the age of my child.
I answered the Officer and showed the Blue House Book with my child's name.
That seemed to be enough as a certificate that I lived in that house.

Thank you for an informative post, and I am sorry you had to put up with idiots who believe their immigration office must have identical rules to yours.

[ubonjoe]

A off topic post meant to derail the topic has been removed.

[claffey]

Perhaps its time to reconsider this unpredictable and insecure situation? Just think about it. You have to stress and worry about the permission to remain in the country of your child's nationality. What happens if you are refused? Or if , God forbid, something happens to you? Who will take care of your child then? Maybe you should consider returning to your country of origin in order to secure the future of your child? I hope you are not offended by my post but I really think you should consider stabilising your child's future.

 

And by the way, I should mention I respect you for taking care of your child  and performing your parental duties in a land where responsibility doesn't really exist. 

[Confuscious]

Just now, claffey said:

Perhaps its time to reconsider this unpredictable and insecure situation? Just think about it. You have to stress and worry about the permission to remain in the country of your child's nationality. What happens if you are refused? Or if , God forbid, something happens to you? Who will take care of your child then? Maybe you should consider returning to your country of origin in order to secure the future of your child? I hope you are not offended by my post but I really think you should consider stabilising your child's future.

When I divorced, 8 years ago now, I saw this problem and I wanted to prevent that my child would need to go back with the mother in case I would be forced to leave the country or something would happen to me and I could not take care of the child.

 

I will refrain from throwing out "my dirty laundry" here, but my 6 years of marriage was a hell on earth.
Basically, the 6 worst years of my life.
My wife had very frequent outbursts of angryness (was on Prozac) and she broke the arm of our child when the child was 3 years old in one of her outbursts.

I have fought the Thai system to get the "Sole Parenthood (which was clearly marked on the divorce papers)" confirmed by the Thai authorities at the local "Thetsabaan" and fought the Thai system to move my child to the Blue Housebook (Tabien Baan) of the place where I was living.
This fight with the Thai system has last almost 4 years, but at the end I did get my rights.
Although, there are still some officials who want to deny my rights only because I am a foreigner.

To be sure that my child would "be safe" if something happens to me, I made a "Last Will" with my lawyer and he would be in charge to get my child out of Thailand and deliver the child to my family abroad by all possible means.
My child has the Double Nationality/Passports and the lawyer confirmed me that it was possible to get a permission to get my child out of Thailand in the event something would happen to me.
Eventually after a visit at the Court by the family member who is assigned to take care of my child (already agreed by the court in my country).
I know that it will not be easy for my lawyer to do this, but at least I know that I have done what I can for my child.

 

Just now, claffey said:

 

And by the way, I should mention I respect you for taking care of your child  and performing your parental duties in a land where responsibility doesn't really exist. 

I made the child and it is MY responsibility to raise the child up to be a good citizen and have a good future.
Not to be the "pension" of my ex-wife.

But you are 200% right in stating that in this country we are totally ignored and counteracted in everything we do.


PS.: Is this reply from quoted text allowed?

[offset]

9 hours ago, Confuscious said:

.But as the Immigration Officer was going trough my documents and saw my child, she asked me if my child was living with me and the age of my child.
I answered the Officer and showed the Blue House Book with my child's name.
That seemed to be enough as a certificate that I lived in that house.

I had the same thing in Prachinburi my son name is in the blue book and as I could prove that I had over 100% control over him (court papers) it was accepted and I got my Retirement Extension ok

[Confuscious]

8 minutes ago, offset said:

I had the same thing in Prachinburi my son name is in the blue book and as I could prove that I had over 100% control over him (court papers) it was accepted and I got my Retirement Extension ok

I am happy to see that I am not the only one where this rule was accepted.
If only I had know this rule 3 years ago, it would have saved me a lot of time and money.

I hope that other members are aware of this rule which is not made Public anywhere.

 

[muzmurray]

34 minutes ago, offset said:

I had the same thing in Prachinburi my son name is in the blue book and as I could prove that I had over 100% control over him (court papers) it was accepted and I got my Retirement Extension ok

 

Seeing as a "retirement" extension has absolutely nothing to do with any other family member, why would you not have done?

[sumrit]

A copy of my wife's Tabien Baan and ID card, along with our marriage certificate were accepted as proof of my address when I applied for my 'retirement extension' at Jomtien. I would think proof of address of a dependent child would be covered by the same rules and be equally acceptable.

[Confuscious]

10 minutes ago, sumrit said:

A copy of my wife's Tabien Baan and ID card, along with our marriage certificate were accepted as proof of my address when I applied for my 'retirement extension' at Jomtien. I would think proof of address of a dependent child would be covered by the same rules and be equally acceptable.

Why I was not aware of this information 3 years ago?
Even in a recent thread about my problems to collect the documents of proof of address, nobody told me about this rule.
Would have saved me a lot of trouble, a lot of time and a lot of money.

[Mattd]

2 minutes ago, Confuscious said:

nobody told me about this rule.

1. Did you specifically ask for this information in a post?

2. Is it a rule or is it entirely up to the discretion of the IO or office that you are applying at?

3. Why did you not ask at the Immigration office on any of your past extensions.

 

As we all know, even when there are rules in place it doesn't mean that immigration will apply them.

[jeab1980]

1 hour ago, Confuscious said:

I am happy to see that I am not the only one where this rule was accepted.
If only I had know this rule 3 years ago, it would have saved me a lot of time and money.

I hope that other members are aware of this rule which is not made Public anywhere.

 

You will be well aware what works in one IO office may well not work in another. However its worth keeping in mind for those in the same boat as yourselfs. Good post cheers

[Confuscious]

13 minutes ago, jeab1980 said:

You will be well aware what works in one IO office may well not work in another. However its worth keeping in mind for those in the same boat as yourselfs. Good post cheers

I am aware of the Nr. #1 Immigration Office rule: "Every officer can ask/deny documents on the fly".
But as I can see in this post, some other members used this rule with success and even UbonJoe admitted that this rule is frequently used in Marriage Visas.
I hope that other members who are in the same boat as me will read this thread.

[Suradit69]

2 hours ago, claffey said:

Maybe you should consider returning to your country of origin in order to secure the future of your child? I hope you are not offended by my post but I really think you should consider stabilising your child's future.

In most farang countries a child who is non-white, a non-native language speaker and not accustomed to the traditional farang local education system is likely to expose him/her to frustration, racism and bullying. The notion that you can shift a child around like a piece of furniture without any consequences is ridiculous. S/he is already dealing with the divorce of his/her parents and depending on his/her age will have experienced an educational situation markedly different from the one he would be thrust into, along with having to adjust to an unfamiliar environment.

 

Youth unemployment, even among native born children, in farang countries is often high and worse among those considered foreign.Thinking that anyone who passes his time in a farang school will be equipped  with employable skills is unfounded.

 

The notion that uprooting and transplanting anyone to a farang country will result in stability and a cornucopia of positive benefits is ill conceived.

 

I expect the O/P's decision to provide a home for the child in the country of his/her birth is the right one to give him/her a better environment for a healthy development.

 

Quote

On average, between 1993 and 2015 the unemployment rate of foreign-born people in Britain has been higher than that of UK-born people.

http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/characteristics-and-outcomes-of-migrants-in-the-uk-labour-market/

 

Quote

 

A survey by the business group has found eight out of 10 British school-leavers "lack essential business skills" such as numeracy.

More than 80% of young people require "significant training" before being put to work, according to the 4,000 finance professionals questioned.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37824641

Edited May 17, 2017 by Suradit69

[muzmurray]

1 hour ago, sumrit said:

A copy of my wife's Tabien Baan and ID card, along with our marriage certificate were accepted as proof of my address when I applied for my 'retirement extension' at Jomtien.

 

I really don't see how, seeing as your wife's blue book and ID card don't have YOUR address on them,(it may well be where you live, but her blue book is not proof of that).

 

Marriage certificate as proof of address - behave.

 

Nothing in your post could even remotely considered proof of YOUR address.

[BritTim]

2 hours ago, Confuscious said:

I hope that other members are aware of this rule which is not made Public anywhere.

 

...and while you provided a useful service in raising awareness, very likely this is not something that will work at every immigration office.

[BritTim]

38 minutes ago, muzmurray said:

 

I really don't see how, seeing as your wife's blue book and ID card don't have YOUR address on them,(it may well be where you live, but her blue book is not proof of that).

 

Marriage certificate as proof of address - behave.

 

Nothing in your post could even remotely considered proof of YOUR address.

If immigration officials are accepting it, your assessment of the logic of the situation seems rather irrelevant. Of course, if you can point out your part in the process of him getting his retirement extension, I will need to revise my opinion.